Question for AS Likers

[thejackbull45]

Do you also prefer DA/SA?

[Nowhere Man]

thejackbull45,

It's the same thing. Walther renamed the DA/SA version and now call it AS.


Dave

[Jake Starr]

Yes, I do. I own three and it is my preference.

[thejackbull45]

Originally posted by DLM
thejackbull45,

It's the same thing. Walther renamed the DA/SA version and now call it AS.


Dave

I realize that. I was wondering if thats why those who prefer AS like it, because they favor DA/SA and not the SA (Glock like) triggers.

[DTQ]

Originally posted by thejackbull45
I realize that. I was wondering if thats why those who prefer AS like it, because they favor DA/SA and not the SA (Glock like) triggers.

Personally yes, very much so; however, you got me rethinking my position after our last exchange and I am now more open to the QA option. I'll tell you why. I have had no combat training or experience. Now, training is eminently valuable but experience is inimitable and within that context the QA trigger offers a few pounds of buffer between adrenaline and irreversible AD. That merits a rethink of the QA trigger for my personal use. I endeavor to be non self-deceptive and I must admit the possibility of a subsequent shot AD may be reduced by using the QA.

[Fenris Wolf]

Yes, I prefer Da/Sa. All the pistols I own are Da/Sa The only pistol I own that could be carried cocked and locked is the HK P9S. All my other pistols have a decocker and no safety (except the Walther P88C with which when you activate the safety decocks the pistol).

[GLD1980]

Personally yes, very much so; however, you got me rethinking my position after our last exchange and I am now more open to the QA option. I'll tell you why. I have had no combat training or experience. Now, training is eminently valuable but experience is inimitable and within that context the QA trigger offers a few pounds of buffer between adrenaline and irreversible AD. That merits a rethink of the QA trigger for my personal use. I endeavor to be non self-deceptive and I must admit the possibility of a subsequent shot AD may be reduced by using the QA. By: DTQ

More of you Lovers of the soft, fast trigger pull(AS) should really think about what DTQ is saying....it doesnt seem like a mission effective way to engage an enemy and down him with(controlled pairs)and with 1) adrenaline, the 2) heat of the moment, and 3)life threatening situation'(s), ......to me it sounds like a could case of overkill brewing. AS owners should start thinking about "then what"......for when you reach the point of no return.

[Jake Starr]

You make a valid point concerning AD's on follow up shots or something akin to bump firing, but I still don't think it is enough of a position to change from the AS version. I too have no practical training, well except from what I received in the military, uh 30yrs ago, but I do shoot competitive every week. I find that any hand on shooting goes along way in familiarizing oneself with their weapon. I like the 8-4lb ratio of the AS. I have tried the QA and I do not like the consistency of the 8lb pull. If I was to go that route I would choose the 6.5lb of the Sig DAK. Or the 5.5 found on the Glock. But I like the option of the DA/SA especially for shooting...Admittedly in a pressure situation one would not notice the difference even if the trigger pull was 14lbs but since my pistol serves me in a variety of ways the As fits the bill.

[GLD1980]

I also believe in hands on training. When im not part of my squad in the field tactically training for combat, I love to go to the range "and do go when you notice those days when there are empty lanes galore"....set up targets on 3-4 lanes skipping a lane in between each target lane so there spaced,then set up targets at 15yds, 7yds, 25yds, 15yds in that order....practice multiple target accuisition, target engagement while stationary and moving and see if you can paladine style score high on vital organ or headshot areas! A few reps of this is not only fun but can prepare you for the moment you hope never happens. Always expect the unexpected.

Good Luck...GLD1980 OUT

P.S. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS NOT ONLY EFFECTIVELY ENGAGING YOUR THREAT......REMEMBER QUICK AND EFFECTIVE MAG CHANGES!

[Jake Starr]

Stay safe and Merry Christmas...uh, hope that this does not offend, I mean it in the kindest way...

[GLD1980]

Merry X-mas, and happy new year to you as well. Take care

[Taz]

The point about a follow up ND has some merit and is worth considering, but I don't think its strong enough to eliminate the use of the AS. There are thousands of DA/SA guns in service just in this country. For that matter there are thousands of SA 1911 pattern guns in service, some with very crisp 4# triggers. We have yet to see a rash of ND's. The KEY is training. Train to control your trigger finger and that muscle memory should not fail you. Fail to train and no matter what you use will get you into trouble.

[Navy87Guy]

I'm hard pressed to be convinced that the extra pound and a half of trigger pull will make that much difference. Particularly when you consider that the travel of the QA is 1/2 the distance of the AS. So given the adrenaline rush following the first shot, I'm inclined to believe the likelihood of an "accidental" second shot would actually go up with the shorter QA pull. You also don't get the physical sensation of the trigger "setting" like you do with the AS when it reaches the half way point in the pull.

This is honestly the first place I've ever seen anyone argue that the AS could be more prone to NDs. To me, the real issue is the first shot. And the AS definitely has the advantage when it comes to making that shot an accident.

YMMV

Jim

[thejackbull45]

Originally posted by Navy87Guy
I'm hard pressed to be convinced that the extra pound and a half of trigger pull will make that much difference. Particularly when you consider that the travel of the QA is 1/2 the distance of the AS. So given the adrenaline rush following the first shot, I'm inclined to believe the likelihood of an "accidental" second shot would actually go up with the shorter QA pull. You also don't get the physical sensation of the trigger "setting" like you do with the AS when it reaches the half way point in the pull.

This is honestly the first place I've ever seen anyone argue that the AS could be more prone to NDs. To me, the real issue is the first shot. And the AS definitely has the advantage when it comes to making that shot an accident.

YMMV

Jim


I believe DA/SA is the most prone to ND due to the 2 different trigger pulls.

[GLD1980]

.....Thats wrong of me for making it sound that way. I do think the AS model is the best P99 out there, but I cant stand someone who knocks the QA. The AS has way more features plus after that first shot such a heavenly trigger pull unless you set your first shot to SA too. What I am saying is make sure you train your ass off if this is your carry gun so if the need to ever explain yourself should arise, make sure there is no second-guessing your actions! Just intentions turned to facts.

Oh, even though the QA is half the distance,(which aint much, your right)the trigger is a lot heavier and trust me, you do notice! I doubt it being more prone to Accidental Discharges!

GLD1980 OUT

[Jake Starr]

I believe DA/SA is the most prone to ND due to the 2 different trigger pulls.

Training, training, training...I find one trigger system that I like and become familiar with and then do not deviate from it. All my Semi-autos, save one family heirloom, are DA/SA....