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Code7AT
12-25-2005, 00:55
I hear a lot of discussion about the two. Which is best to run and why?

FYI I have a desktop running from a DSL cable and a laptop running wireless. Thanks

Mike

funbob
12-25-2005, 02:12
Tabbed browsing, better integrated pop-up blocking, RSS support, and the ultra cool extensions feature (Adblock is about the coolest thing ever invented) make Firefox the superior browser for me. With the exception of the rare site that doesn't display properly in IE, Firefox is where it's at. There's even an extension to embed IE inside Firefox so now I don't have to open IE for anything anymore.

ShipWreck
12-25-2005, 09:33
I used Firefox for a year, but just switched to Opera. It has the same features as Firefox, but is a bit faster. It took me an hour or so to mess w/ all the settings to have the interface look like I wanted. But after that, good to go.

BNSF
12-25-2005, 10:41
I am with fox now, but where do I get Opera and what makes it faster?

funbob
12-25-2005, 10:50
http://www.opera.com/

It's a nice browser but doesn't fill any particular need for me. It renders pages a bit faster and has a novel voice command feature.

hwyhobo
12-25-2005, 11:15
Tried Opera, couldn't get used to the interface, went back to Firefox. I would never consider using IE. Besides reasons mentioned already by funbob, here are two more:

1. My eyes are not what they used to be, and I increase the font size on many sites. IE frequently fails to do so depending on site design. Firefox also does what I ask.

2. When I enter a URL in IE, and it fails (say, I misspelled it), it immediately goes to some other place, even if I figure out what happened and hit Esc. I can't just edit the wrong URL, I have to enter the whole darned thing again. It drives me CRAZY. In Firefox, I can just edit the wrong URL.

cgwahl
12-25-2005, 11:29
I don't use it myself, but for those that like IE, but want a lot of the features Firefox has...download Avant.


http://www.avantbrowser.com/


I never cared much for Opera, but have heard its gotten tons better the last few years since I've used it.


Frankly, it all comes down to preference. Stay away from IE and try one of these three and see which one you like best.

ShipWreck
12-25-2005, 12:13
I messed w/ Opera's settings, and basially it looks like Firefox now. I like it :)

BNSF
12-25-2005, 12:18
Damn!

How many browsers are out there? MS things really suck and sometimes they annoy me just like AOL


Can someone compile the list?

hwyhobo
12-25-2005, 15:03
Well, if we're going to list all the browsers, let's not forget lynx (http://lynx.browser.org/) for those who don't care for graphics and want something scary fast. ;P

Despite what some may think, it is a very practical browser for those who cary large html distributions of text files with hyperlinks. Makes a perfect browser for that. And, of course, for those who occasionally find themselves at a shell prompt and need quick access to the web.

funbob
12-25-2005, 16:00
ahhhh, Lynx. Brings me back to the days of 2400 baud modems, 286 processors, and 40MB hard drives. Good times.

Opera has a mode to emulate Lynx BTW.

http://home.comcast.net/~bobthemtnbiker/gtlynx.jpg

Ljunatic
12-25-2005, 18:03
I have a couple of older machines running win98se and was having a tough time with Firefox and it's memory leak.

After browsing for an hour or so , I would have to close and restart the browser due to using all of the memory available and running very slowly.

Opera runs much faster on these older machines an does not have a problem with memory, plus it renders pages faster.
I can set it up similar to FF, but it does not have the extensions available.

I will probably try Firefox again when I upgrade my hardware

BNSF
12-25-2005, 20:50
I once had a Zeos with a 486dx2 brain in it. I upgraded the HD to a 400 mb and I thought that was huge. Now I think 300 GB is small ;Q

heat762
12-25-2005, 21:09
+1 Avante Browser

Mucho Faster than Firefox

IndyGunFreak
12-25-2005, 21:13
I tried Myie2(I think thats what it was), said it was 100% compatible with sites that wont' work with Firefox,etc, and it was, but the browser just sucked.

I'll never go back to IE, and I'm perfectly content with Firefox

IGF

UtahIrishman
12-25-2005, 21:48
I've used Internet Explorer, Netscape, Opera and Firefox and a few other off the wall ones that I can't remember. Firefox hands down particularly since the upgrade to 1.5. I don't know how I got along without tabbed browsing and RSS before.

cgwahl
12-26-2005, 02:01
Originally posted by hwyhobo
Well, if we're going to list all the browsers, let's not forget lynx (http://lynx.browser.org/) for those who don't care for graphics and want something scary fast. ;P

Despite what some may think, it is a very practical browser for those who cary large html distributions of text files with hyperlinks. Makes a perfect browser for that. And, of course, for those who occasionally find themselves at a shell prompt and need quick access to the web.


Ha, I was actually thinking of mentioning that one.

ERASER
12-28-2005, 20:52
I really like Firefox. I only have two minor gripes with it:

1.) In the bookmark toolbar my home computer (XP, if it matters)has "Latest Headlines" but my work computer (Windows 2000) and my girlfriend's computer (XP) don't have that feature. I cannot find out how to acquire it.

2.) I tried to add Wikipedia to the search engine pull-down menu and all it left was a blank space. I can't figure out how to delete it either.

Glock Bob
12-28-2005, 21:54
One of the worst "features" of IE, imho, is the autosearch. Sometimes I'll type in a URL exactly and the browser will reroute me to MS' search page. There listed on the page is the exact site I want, with the EXACT same URL as I had originally entered.

Besides that, Firefox is great because:

1. Tabbed browsing. Firefox did it first, Firefox does it best.
2. When I hit stop, Firefox stops. IE tends to want to load that stupid html page telling me that the action was cancelled. OF COURSE IT WAS CANCELLED!!! I hit 'stop'. What's even worse is that with Firefox I can hit stop and immediately type in a URL; however, when I do so with IE the 'action cancelled' page loads and the focus moves from the address bar to the page.

9mm Luger
12-28-2005, 22:42
Firefox is my favorite browser much faster than IE, more secure, pop ups are almost eliminated. The tabbed browsing is great, along with the hundreds of themes and extentions that can be added on. You can customize the browser how you want it to look, I think Forecastfox has to be my favorite addon.

I have tried Opera and Avant and never could get used to them.
Any of these is still a way better option than Internet Exploder.

IndyGunFreak
12-29-2005, 00:59
I saw a video on the net not to long ago, wish I could remember where it was, where a lady was just walking around an area, and asking people wether they preferred Firefox or IE. NUMEROUS people were saying Firefox. It won hands down, and only a couple didn't even know what Firefox was.

Makes you wonder how many features IE will copy in the new IE(Which I think is due out next year)...

IGF

JurgenG
12-29-2005, 01:13
Firefox is the one here!

If only M$ could allow us to get our Windows updates using Firefox, we could throw away M$IE (but that'll never happen of course).

And for email, Thunderbird of course!

Creeper1313
12-29-2005, 10:19
Originally posted by ERASER
I really like Firefox. I only have two minor gripes with it:

1.) In the bookmark toolbar my home computer (XP, if it matters)has "Latest Headlines" but my work computer (Windows 2000) and my girlfriend's computer (XP) don't have that feature. I cannot find out how to acquire it.

2.) I tried to add Wikipedia to the search engine pull-down menu and all it left was a blank space. I can't figure out how to delete it either.

1. A potential alternative to the latest headlines feature, is to use Google as your homepage, and use its "Personalized Home" feature to add headlines (among other things) where you want them to the whitespace on Google. I really like this. Only drawback compared to the firefox bookmark feature is that you have to hit home first.

2. To remove search engines from this toolbar go to the "searchplugins" folder in your Firefox directory (probably "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\searchplugins").
In this folder there should be two files for each search engine you have, a .src file for the search engine, and a .gif for the icon. Delete these two files for Wikipedia (or whatever engine you want to get rid of) and close and reopen Firefox. The engine should be gone. Since Wiki is useful, hopeful you can re-add it and have it work. I had no issues adding it.

ERASER
12-29-2005, 12:43
Originally posted by Creeper1313
1. A potential alternative to the latest headlines feature, is to use Google as your homepage, and use its "Personalized Home" feature to add headlines (among other things) where you want them to the whitespace on Google. I really like this. Only drawback compared to the firefox bookmark feature is that you have to hit home first.

2. To remove search engines from this toolbar go to the "searchplugins" folder in your Firefox directory (probably "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\searchplugins").
In this folder there should be two files for each search engine you have, a .src file for the search engine, and a .gif for the icon. Delete these two files for Wikipedia (or whatever engine you want to get rid of) and close and reopen Firefox. The engine should be gone. Since Wiki is useful, hopeful you can re-add it and have it work. I had no issues adding it.


Thanks for the info! I managed to get the Latest Headlines reconstucted on this (my work) computer, and I'll try your suggestions on my home computer this evening. Thanks again.

PDogSniper
12-30-2005, 02:51
What is tabbed browsing....?

USMC_G19
12-30-2005, 08:25
firefox is a great browser. I had a chance to review MS new IE off of their development site and they hace copied many features from firefox such as integrated popup blockers and tabbed browsing. Im not sure when they are going to release it but it looks like it could be a contender

grokdesigns
12-30-2005, 11:31
Originally posted by PDogSniper
What is tabbed browsing....?

Here's a thorough explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbed_browsing

As for my choice, I don't use IE for anything other than Windows Updates. Avant, MyIE2, etc. are just IE shells and still carry the security risks associated with IE, and as such, are just as worthless.

cgwahl
12-30-2005, 19:47
Originally posted by IndyGunFreak
I saw a video on the net not to long ago, wish I could remember where it was, where a lady was just walking around an area, and asking people wether they preferred Firefox or IE. NUMEROUS people were saying Firefox. It won hands down, and only a couple didn't even know what Firefox was.

Makes you wonder how many features IE will copy in the new IE(Which I think is due out next year)...

IGF


I went to a Microsoft convention a few weeks ago to see and get Visual Studio 2005 and SQL Server 2005 Standard for free.

One of the guys giving a presentation said a joke and didn't even mean to.

He basically said something to the effect you use IE to test the application or get on the internet. I am unable to really do it justice, since its one of those you had to be there things. Not to mention I am paraphrasing from memory from a few weeks ago. But hopefully you get the idea.

The whole room laughed since it was obvious most of the developers in that room used Firefox or something else as their browser of choice...

Brink
01-03-2006, 23:53
if you use firefox, try this:

Open 'about:config' in your address bar and then...

For Broadband:

network.http.max-connections : 64
network.http.max-connections-per-server : 21
network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server : 8
network.http.pipelining : true
network.http.pipelining.maxrequests : 100
network.http.proxy.pipelining : true

For Dial-up:

browser.cache.disk_cache_ssl : true
browser.xul.error_pages.enabled : true
content.interrupt.parsing : true
content.max.tokenizing.time : 3000000
content.maxtextrun : 8191
content.notify.backoffcount : 5
content.notify.interval : 750000
content.notify.ontimer : true
content.switch.threshold : 750000
network.http.max-connections : 32
network.http.max-connections-per-server : 8
network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-proxy : 8
network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server : 4
network.http.pipelining : true
network.http.pipelining.maxrequests : 8
network.http.proxy.pipelining : true
nglayout.initialpaint.delay : 750
plugin.expose_full_path : true
signed.applets.codebase_principal_support : true

Then right click anywhere in that window(if your on broadband, this is useless on dialup) and click new>integer with the name "nglayout.initialpaint.delay" and the value "0"

This will cause there to be no delay in rendering pages, and will also make a crapload of connections to a websites server. this is about the max number you can do before anti-DOS stuff kicks in at there end. and it WILL speed up browsing a lot...

epsylum
01-04-2006, 09:40
I use FF 90% of the time. But, it likes to freeze a lot on me. It's not my system, it's plenty capable. I have to restart firefox every so often to keep it from choking.

Other than that I like FF.

Nyper
01-04-2006, 10:38
I don't like tabbed browsing. I rarely see popups. I have yet to find a reason to switch from IE.

nickg
01-04-2006, 11:13
Originally posted by Nyper
I don't like tabbed browsing. I rarely see popups. I have yet to find a reason to switch from IE.

it's not necessarily tabbed browsing and/or popups that should invite you to switch.

it's the FACT that IE is so open and vulnerable to security exploits, in case you haven't noticed over the years. ;Q

that one reason why i haven't been using XP lately since i installed Linspire and use Firefox on there, as i have been using Firefox for the last year + on XP and 2000 here at work, and NEVER use IE except for Windows updates.

tarpleyg
01-04-2006, 11:43
Someone was aking about the ability to run WU in Firefox...

http://ietab.mozdev.org/

Greg

Nyper
01-04-2006, 12:38
Originally posted by nickg
it's not necessarily tabbed browsing and/or popups that should invite you to switch.

it's the FACT that IE is so open and vulnerable to security exploits, in case you haven't noticed over the years. ;Q

that one reason why i haven't been using XP lately since i installed Linspire and use Firefox on there, as i have been using Firefox for the last year + on XP and 2000 here at work, and NEVER use IE except for Windows updates.

I've been a network admin for 3 years and have yet to be the victim of any IE security flaws. Many times the flaws happen because of the ignorance of the user. I'm not saying FireFox isn't a little more secure than IE - I'm just saying if appropriate measures are taken, there is little or no reason to switch.

najaboy
01-04-2006, 15:46
Originally posted by nickg
it's not necessarily tabbed browsing and/or popups that should invite you to switch.

it's the FACT that IE is so open and vulnerable to security exploits, in case you haven't noticed over the years. ;Q

that one reason why i haven't been using XP lately since i installed Linspire and use Firefox on there, as i have been using Firefox for the last year + on XP and 2000 here at work, and NEVER use IE except for Windows updates.
It is also a fact that Firefox is vulnerable to security exploits as well, so what's your point?

Brink
01-04-2006, 17:56
has anybody thied the speed up trick that i posted?

romotx
01-04-2006, 20:12
I have not tried above posters trick but just downloaded Avant Browser and I like it better than firefox.

Toyman
01-05-2006, 07:30
I wish someone could tell me how to work around the problem with Firefox deciding every now and then that it doesn't want to start, but just hangout in the process list.

nickg
01-05-2006, 14:18
Originally posted by najaboy
It is also a fact that Firefox is vulnerable to security exploits as well, so what's your point?

the point is it's not nearly as bad, or even CLOSE, to the problems in IE. Windows in general is just a major exploitable OS, but what's worse is the number of people who do nothing about it.

you'd be surprised at the number of people who don't run spyware/adware, antivirus, or a firewall. and then they come looking for help because they have a MAJOR problem on their systems. ignorance is bliss to some people.

epsylum
01-05-2006, 17:08
Originally posted by Toyman
I wish someone could tell me how to work around the problem with Firefox deciding every now and then that it doesn't want to start, but just hangout in the process list.

I am not usre about that one, but that little download manager that FF has freezes my computer every now and then.

FF is decent (and what I mostly use), but it does have it's share of bugs.

Washington,D.C.
01-05-2006, 19:14
Sometimes the plug-ins,namely Java will cause Firefox and Mozilla to hang.

mercenary
01-16-2006, 21:41
Originally posted by heat762
+1 Avante Browser

Mucho Faster than Firefox

+1 Avant Browser for me

One bad thing about Firefox is its compatibility. I can count at least 10 websites that do not work right with Firefox. At my job, I work with SAP BW, and Firefox just refuse to work right.

hogglock
01-17-2006, 01:01
I remember reading somewhere that Avant is just a shell for IE. True or False?

Washington,D.C.
01-17-2006, 04:40
Originally posted by hogglock
I remember reading somewhere that Avant is just a shell for IE. True or False?

It's a bit more than a shell but it does use and require IE.It may also share some IE security risks.Opera is one of the most secure browsers these days.Opera is also one of the fastest browsers.

Wingnut357
01-19-2006, 18:49
I stick up for the OS X Apostates.

I use Camino which is sort of a Firefox for Macs only, and the new version is the stablest browser I've ever used.

I use Shiira for speed.

Any Mac users have preferences?