Crimson Trace G-Series Laser Grip

[GlockedGonzo]

Hello everyone. I'm new to these forums and new to the Glock community so please bare with my noobness.

Recent owner of a 2nd gen. 17 and wanted a laser sight for it. Ran accross the Crimson Trace Grip and the LaserMax. Big difference in the design of both laser sights. Can anyone help with past experiences with both these laser sights after owning them. I do like the internal advantages of the LaserMax. Any comments, suggestions, rants, etc., will help. Thanks in advance.

[jotto]

I've tried the Crimson Trace on a buddys Glock and don't care for it. Works good but it changes the "feel" of the pistol too much for me. I went with a lasermax on my 23C and love it. No problems and it basicly changes nothing on the pistol.

My advice is to try out a pistol with a Crimson Trac eon it before buying it to see if you like the feel of it. You can get away with buying a lasermax sight unseen as like I siad it changes nothing with the pistol. (Other than the slide release with is minimial)

[GlockedGonzo]

Jotto,
This is the type of information I was looking for. I really like the feel of my glock and don't want to change that. I think I'm going to go with that LaserMax for now and, like you said, wait to shoot one on someone elses Glock just to get a feel of it. The only feature I did like, from the ad on it's web-site of the CT Laser Grip, was that it was adjustable.
How accurate is your LaserMax on your 23C and at what distance does it start to go off trajectory?
Any suggestions as to where I can get one at a good price?

Thanks for the reply,
Gonzo

[jotto]

Originally posted by GlockedGonzo
Jotto,
This is the type of information I was looking for. I really like the feel of my glock and don't want to change that. I think I'm going to go with that LaserMax for now and, like you said, wait to shoot one on someone elses Glock just to get a feel of it. The only feature I did like, from the ad on it's web-site of the CT Laser Grip, was that it was adjustable.
How accurate is your LaserMax on your 23C and at what distance does it start to go off trajectory?
Any suggestions as to where I can get one at a good price?

Thanks for the reply,
Gonzo

Glad my post was of some help. As far as accuracy goes I almost never shoot my Glock at any range over about 10 yards. I've never been in a situation where I would need to that I didn't have my M4 along as well. At the distance I shhot at (10 yds) there is little to no divergence from laser to impact that I have noticed. At any longer distance I wouldn't know.

I shopped around and ordered mine about a week or so ago through Lone Wolf Distributors ( www.lonewolfdist.com ) At the time they had the best deal and have ordered from them before with great service. As soon as I get a day here where its not too cold and windy I will do a little longer range shooting to see how the site works.

[GlockedGonzo]

I have night sights (not sure if they're Meps or Trij's) on my Glock 17 right now and it seems to be right on. I couldn't wait to shoot it right after I bought it and went with some buddies to a private shooting club in Plainfield, Illinois. Man, it was colder than the North Pole. I think the temp was around 20 degrees but we still had a blast shooting. After that I couldn't feel my damn nose.

Does that place you bought from have a web-site you can order from or is it a local gun shop? I've seen the LaserMax on www.midwayusa.com for the same price as the Crimson.

Well I guess as soon as I get one and place it on my Glock, I'll do some testing to see the range and accuracy on the LaserMax. Gives me something else to do when I'm freezing my nose off at the range.

Thanks again Jotto.
Gonzo

[jotto]

Originally posted by GlockedGonzo
I have night sights (not sure if they're Meps or Trij's) on my Glock 17 right now and it seems to be right on. I couldn't wait to shoot it right after I bought it and went with some buddies to a private shooting club in Plainfield, Illinois. Man, it was colder than the North Pole. I think the temp was around 20 degrees but we still had a blast shooting. After that I couldn't feel my damn nose.

Does that place you bought from have a web-site you can order from or is it a local gun shop? I've seen the LaserMax on www.midwayusa.com for the same price as the Crimson.

Well I guess as soon as I get one and place it on my Glock, I'll do some testing to see the range and accuracy on the LaserMax. Gives me something else to do when I'm freezing my nose off at the range.

Thanks again Jotto.
Gonzo

The link to where I bought mine is in the previous post of mine. It's an online place to buy from for me as its based in Idaho I believe. But after consulting my Midway USA catalog (man I love that book!) It would appear that they have it cheaper than Lone Wolf by $10. Have ordered a lot from Midway, another great place to do business with.

[Alaskapopo]

The problem I have witht he laser max is the crappy recoil springs it uses. I prefer to stick with oem parts that effect the operation of the pistol. Second the laser can overheat if your firing long strings due to its placement under the barrel.
Pat

[SpaceGlocker]

bought mine a couple of weeks ago .........I actually like what they do to my 19..........they give it a little of a beavertail...........force my hand back a bit which gives me better trigger control! 1st three shots with the grips.......3 dead on bullseyes..can't ask for much more than this............easy on or off installation...much better than any sites which I can hardly see without my cheaters........I give Crimson Trace a +1000

[GlockedGonzo]

Originally posted by 355sigfan
The problem I have witht he laser max is the crappy recoil springs it uses. I prefer to stick with oem parts that effect the operation of the pistol. Second the laser can overheat if your firing long strings due to its placement under the barrel.
Pat

Can that recoil spring on the LaserMax be replaced to use the original OEM one? I have noticed from pics that they use a wire coil spring on the LaserMax. The original spring from the Glock looks like a flatened coil spring (excuse my terminalogy here). Not sure the exact name of that type of coil. Mu guess is that they had to use that type of wire coil to fit over the laser housing.

Gonzo

[GlockedGonzo]

Originally posted by SpaceGlocker
bought mine a couple of weeks ago .........I actually like what they do to my 19..........they give it a little of a beavertail...........force my hand back a bit which gives me better trigger control! 1st three shots with the grips.......3 dead on bullseyes..can't ask for much more than this............easy on or off installation...much better than any sites which I can hardly see without my cheaters........I give Crimson Trace a +1000

This is interesting... 1 for LaserMax, 1 for Crimson, and 1 kinda "iffy" because it overheats. Well I dont have the funds to purchase 2 different lasers but am gonna make it a point to locate or borrow or something to shoot with the Crimson. Thanks again for the input.

Gonzo

[Alaskapopo]

Originally posted by GlockedGonzo
Can that recoil spring on the LaserMax be replaced to use the original OEM one? I have noticed from pics that they use a wire coil spring on the LaserMax. The original spring from the Glock looks like a flatened coil spring (excuse my terminalogy here). Not sure the exact name of that type of coil. Mu guess is that they had to use that type of wire coil to fit over the laser housing.

Gonzo

Thats a good question I am not sure.
Pat

[dwhite]

Here is how the ct looks on the glock
here is also how the targets at 20 yards look with the ct :)

http://www.handgunplace.com/images/glock/backview_installed.jpg
http://www.handgunplace.com/images/glock/gt_installed_glock.jpg

http://www.handgunplace.com/media/glock_3_targets_DW440.jpg

yes they DO change the feel and angle
but to me it felt 80% better then the stock glock
i guess you would have to try a pair on someones and see if you like the feel for yourself

these also install in under 10 seconds with no spring worries

and you can adjust windage and elevation

I will not own a pistol that CT DOES NOT make laser grips for
thats how much i like them I have them on my 1911 and glock
working on getting a pair for my browning hi power as well.

[GlockedGonzo]

DWhite,
Do you holster your Glock? Does the laser come in contact with any part of your holster, if you holster?

Not at a bad looking laser, but it does bulk the gun on the sides. I really dont have large hands so it's going to make my grip on my Glock different.

Definetely gonna have to shoot one before considering buying one. Thanks for the pics. By the way nice shooting.

Gonzo

[dwhite]

Originally posted by GlockedGonzo
DWhite,
Do you holster your Glock? Does the laser come in contact with any part of your holster, if you holster?

Not at a bad looking laser, but it does bulk the gun on the sides. I really dont have large hands so it's going to make my grip on my Glock different.

Definetely gonna have to shoot one before considering buying one. Thanks for the pics. By the way nice shooting.

Gonzo


fobus for the glock no issues
ross for the 1911 no issues

[GlockedGonzo]

Sweet.

I have a Uncle Mike's Kydex (I think that's the name) paddle holster. Very similar to a Fobus. Nice to know.

By the way, I checked out your site and noticed you mispelled "Glock" on your header. Just thought I'd let you know.

Thanks again guys.
Gonzo

[SpaceGlocker]

Here are some pics of a recent range trip.............on the right is without the laser grips and on the left is with them on my 19 (15 yards)
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/poolpedler/100_1979.jpg as you can see....with the laser you can put the bullets in the same hole repeatedly..........target aquisition is immediate....great for older eyes!

[dwhite]

Great shooting
as you see the glocks are accurate sometimes is just takes a great product to accomplish this
:)
congrats on your CT'S



http://www.cyeclan.com//clan_files/pictures/live_firing.jpg

[GlockedGonzo]

Holy Stinky Crap Batman...
Sorry, just had to get that out. Ok, back to the forums here.

That is some sweet shooting. Well it's obvious that when those CTC Grips are lined up, they're accurate as hell.

I'm going to try some other sights that aren't lasers when I get a chance. Awsome pics, SpaceGlocker.

Gonzo

[RayB]

Originally posted by 355sigfan
The problem I have witht he laser max is the crappy recoil springs it uses. I prefer to stick with oem parts that effect the operation of the pistol. Second the laser can overheat if your firing long strings due to its placement under the barrel.
Pat

1) There is little real-world value to a flat coil spring over a round coil spring--both can be of the same "weight" In fact, it appears that Glock now uses a round OEM coil spring in the following models: 22, 27, 29, 30 & 36. A sample picture is attached.

2) While I suppose it's "possible", I can find no record of thermal failures in LaserMax, as you describe.

If these are opinions, they should be taken as such, and not repeated as facts.

--Ray

[Alaskapopo]

Originally posted by RayB
1) There is little real-world value to a flat coil spring over a round coil spring--both can be of the same "weight" In fact, it appears that Glock now uses a round OEM coil spring in the following models: 22, 27, 29, 30 & 36. A sample picture is attached.

2) While I suppose it's "possible", I can find no record of thermal failures in LaserMax, as you describe.

If these are opinions, they should be taken as such, and not repeated as facts.

--Ray

I have seen thermal failure not opinon fact. ALso the springs suck. Not because their round vs flat rather their quality. And its a non issue anyway We will not allow anyone to carry guns with items that alter the function of the weapon. Sticking non oem springs in there does.
Pat

[GlockedGonzo]

What kind of malfuntions, caused by the LaserMax spring or the laser itself, have you guys encountered on your Glock(s)? Jamming, not enough spring pressure, etc.?

I have yet to hear or read a malfunction or legitimate complaint due to a mechanical design of the LaserMax. I've just read mostly personal opinions on minor things with both types of laser sights. Then again, I'm new to this scene but I do my research to educate myself.

Just my .02 cents.

Gonzo

[AWMP]

Anyone seen a good place to get the CT for a G17? Thanks
AW

[GlockedGonzo]

Originally posted by AWMP
Anyone seen a good place to get the CT for a G17? Thanks
AW

www.midwayusa.com

www.ebay.com

Those are 2 places that I know have them for reasonable prices. Let me know if there's a cheaper site.

Gonzo

[RayB]

Originally posted by 355sigfan
I have seen thermal failure not opinon fact. ALso the springs suck. Not because their round vs flat rather their quality. And its a non issue anyway We will not allow anyone to carry guns with items that alter the function of the weapon. Sticking non oem springs in there does.
Pat


Thermal Issue: If you've seen this, that's good enough for me, assuming you diagnosed the problem correctly. Did it work just fine after cooling down?

Alaska! I doubt the LaserMax specifications would even allow for your winter temperatures! ;P And I thought Wisconsin got cold! ;)

Spring Quality: I put 2000 rounds on my LaserMax, and in that time, it turned itself on once. There were no slide-cycling complications. I now swap out the laser for the guide rod for most range practice, as I see no point in beating up the LM further. It's also one less thing to clean!

A thousand rounds through Judy's G19 & LaserMax yielded four FTFs, but only with her shooting. This was traced to one of four magazines, which was readily exchanged by MidwayUSA.

I did order two replacement OEM guide rod/spring assemblies from GLOCKPARTS, as my G21's is functional, but noticeably lazier. I consider these consumable parts...

Allowances: Forgive me, but who exactly are "we"?

Swapping out OEM guide rods, trigger assemblies, etc., is fairly common. Me, I'm pleased enough with the stock stuff

--Ray

[SCC10180]

Just wondering what the best price you guys have seen the CT listed at. Thanks.

[GlockedGonzo]

www.midwayusa.com

$249.99 + shipping which is calculated according to your zip code. Cheapest shipping to my location was $3.20. Not bad at $253.19.

http://cgi.ebay.com/CRIMSON-TRACE-LASER-LG-617-GLOCK-17-22-24-31-34-35-37_W0QQitemZ7223394444QQcategoryZ36258QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Heres a link to same grip on eBay for under $230.00 with shipping included.

Gonzo

[rarmijo]

Check out www.islandtactical.com , they are having a 25% sale on all CT grips.

[GlockedGonzo]

Well, there you have it. Cheaper than what I found.

$229.95 shipped. Hard to beat that.

Gonzo

[GlockedGonzo]

Wait a minute. Wow, am I a moron or what? DON'T ANSWER THAT! ;Q

That link to the eBay grip is still cheaper by a $1.45.

Not much difference , still a hell of a deal.

Gonzo

[DANO99]

The E-Bay price is good Try www.tdr911.com tehy are $225.00 with no bidding or e-bay . I got mine there

[GlockedGonzo]

How much is shipping? I noticed shipping wasn't included in that price. Most likely it will put the grip over the $230.00.

Gonzo

[DANO99]

You will have to check with them. The shipping varies depending on the distance.

[Col. Kurtz]

No Group Buy yet........Wow

[GlockedGonzo]

That's not a bad idea. Is there an area in here that they set up something like that? Might be worth it if the discount is right.

Gonzo

[Col. Kurtz]

Im sure a Group Buy could get these under $200.00.
I would be up for at least two.

[Stopdropnroll]

I am pretty certain Eric put a lid on Glocktalk group buys due to problems in the past. We will honor that.

I think you might be hard pressed to get these below $200.

FWIW, I am aware that Crimson Trace offers NRA Certified Trainer Discount and Law Enforcement discounts

SDnR ;)

(fair disclosure: SDnR is an employee of Crimson Trace)

[SCC10180]

Just received mine today - really like the feel of it. Can't wait to try it out tomorrow. :)

[GlockedGonzo]

Originally posted by Stopdropnroll
I am pretty certain Eric put a lid on Glocktalk group buys due to problems in the past. We will honor that.

I think you might be hard pressed to get these below $200.

FWIW, I am aware that Crimson Trace offers NRA Certified Trainer Discount and Law Enforcement discounts

SDnR ;)

(fair disclosure: SDnR is an employee of Crimson Trace)

Any discounts for civilian's? Not a Law Officer or a Certified Trainer but still interested in a discount. ;f ;f ;f

Gonzo

[olretiredgunney]

;e ;e
accurate and deadley at 50 feet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AWMP]

Nice picture of your pistol, lets see the target? I have a feeling this is something Santa might have to get me.

[GlockedGonzo]

Holy Crap, that pic was huge!!!

Could of been a tad more focused but it does the job.

Yeah, like AWMP said, let see those 40 yard target pics. ;)

Gonzo

[Briank]

I was convinced by a number of folks that there wasn't anything wrong with my G 26 sights...and it was me, the shooter that was shooting (and grouping) about two inches towards the 8 o'clock position at 10 yards.

Someone on this board told me to get target sights if I wanted that type of accuacy from a subcompact.

I spoke with a non-Glock CTC user...then to CTC themselves.

My first time out, I couldn't shoot because of other commitments...but snuck in 20 rounds...seemed off a bit.

Today I put 200 rounds down range and with some minor windage and elevation adjustment...I can now put 10 out of 10 in the bullseye of a ten inch target....for the first time since I've owned my 26.

As far as the feel of the grips...personal preferance. I don't even notice it...but I 'spose if I would have owned the 26 for a couple years, I too would feel a change.

I can't say enough good things about this lazer grip.

I now have the confidence in hitting what I'm aiming at, that I lacked in the past. Is two inches from the center of a target critical in personal defense? Debatable...but now I KNOW that I can be dead on.:cool:

You might be able to tell...I'm a happy man!

Ps check out the Crimson Trace Website for some good laser tactic video. (Hope I can say that here??)

ps...I don't work for CTC :-)

[Morris]

I have respect for both CTC and Lasermax. Both are good companies which put out products they think will be the best for your pistol. I have had solid customer service support from both. That being said, here is my input on Lasermax.

I am the armorer and instructor for my department. In 2001, the Chief saw my personally owned Lasermax in my G21, liked it and the ball was rolling. We did not choose CTC at that time because it meant a permanent modification to the frame (the CTC system at that time). In 2002, my department purchased enough laser sights to outfit all of our issued G22s and G23. Installation of the internal parts (lever and spring) was easy and all parts and the tool supplied. The first complaint from officers was the non-captured spring. We developed a technique for installing the spring easily. I wish we could have gotten it through some thick heads that the closed end goes against the soft polymer battery cap. Several caps had to be replaced when the open end tore apart the caps under recoil.

We quickly learned that soft sided holsters would involuntarily move the switch left or right, causing the laser sight to activate. After an hour of discharge, the battery was dead. Or, even more embarassing, a citizen would come up to an officer and politely point out that the laser sight was making pretty dots on the ground. During firing, we suffered a high rate of involuntary activations (the sights would just activate out of the blue). We worked with Lasermax and the spring was redesigned as it was believed that recoil was causing the slide switch to shift slightly. This cut our involuntary activations by 85%. Of the 22 units we purchased, two had springs that were causing malfunction problems and had to be replaced. Then we suffered a sizeable number of sights where the "window" would pop out. Again, working with Lasermax, we determined that some were due to poor glue and most due to the open bottom of our holsters. The seatbelt buckle in our crown vics were set in a manner that would batter the bottom of the holster and the exposed window. Only one sight was returned due to being well off the specified zero range (it was shooting 6-7 inches off the bull).

One thing that was very apparent was that after firing less than 20 rounds, the carbon from the rounds would coat the window of the laser sight, diminishing the effective light output to nearly nil. A quick clean of the window and you would be back in service. This was an issue for training, not for real world use (where it was highly unlikely anyone in a self defense position would fire 15+ rounds).

We did have one back and forth with Lasermax over the issue of rust. Our motor officer came in to show me his pistol. He claimed that a month prior, he had cleaned his pistol and checked the sight. I had no doubts about his claim as he was meticulous. Of course, that month was one of our wettest and his Glock was totally exposed for 10 hours a day, four days a week. When I disassembled the pistol, I noted that the rust was apparently coming from the laser sight. The spring showed rust and the battery pack was essentially fused inside of the sight unit. Lasermax and I disagreed on the rust issues, particularly with a rusting battery pack. They believed it to be something with the officer. I believed it to be with the battery pack (non sealed from the elements) and/or springs. Something you would probably not find unless you were in the elements for a month.

On the issue of the sight, I can personally attest to their effectiveness in simple intimidation alone. The use of the issued Lasermax sights prevented at least two potential officer involved shootings. In one event, an officer confronted a driver in a vehicle. He started the truck with the officer in front. The officer "painted" the suspect's eyes and settled the dot on his chest. The suspect got very nervous and did comply. In the other event, a suspect was chased, stopped and started making movements like he was going to draw something from his back. The officer painted the eyes and then settled on the chest. The suspect asked if the dot was from a TASER or from a gun. The officer told him he could find out in a deadly way. The suspect maintained that stance until finally showing his hands. He was unarmed. He did admit that he wanted the officer to shoot him but the laser sight tripped him out. I was there when he told me, "I figured that laser meant you guys weren't f&^cking around!"

I hope this helps. There are pros and cons to each system. To Lasermax's benefit, they redesigned their system so that the spring is now captured. I have both.

[GlockedGonzo]

Originally posted by Morris
I have respect for both CTC and Lasermax. Both are good companies which put out products they think will be the best for your pistol. I have had solid customer service support from both. That being said, here is my input on Lasermax.

I am the armorer and instructor for my department. In 2001, the Chief saw my personally owned Lasermax in my G21, liked it and the ball was rolling. We did not choose CTC at that time because it meant a permanent modification to the frame (the CTC system at that time). In 2002, my department purchased enough laser sights to outfit all of our issued G22s and G23. Installation of the internal parts (lever and spring) was easy and all parts and the tool supplied. The first complaint from officers was the non-captured spring. We developed a technique for installing the spring easily. I wish we could have gotten it through some thick heads that the closed end goes against the soft polymer battery cap. Several caps had to be replaced when the open end tore apart the caps under recoil.

We quickly learned that soft sided holsters would involuntarily move the switch left or right, causing the laser sight to activate. After an hour of discharge, the battery was dead. Or, even more embarassing, a citizen would come up to an officer and politely point out that the laser sight was making pretty dots on the ground. During firing, we suffered a high rate of involuntary activations (the sights would just activate out of the blue). We worked with Lasermax and the spring was redesigned as it was believed that recoil was causing the slide switch to shift slightly. This cut our involuntary activations by 85%. Of the 22 units we purchased, two had springs that were causing malfunction problems and had to be replaced. Then we suffered a sizeable number of sights where the "window" would pop out. Again, working with Lasermax, we determined that some were due to poor glue and most due to the open bottom of our holsters. The seatbelt buckle in our crown vics were set in a manner that would batter the bottom of the holster and the exposed window. Only one sight was returned due to being well off the specified zero range (it was shooting 6-7 inches off the bull).

One thing that was very apparent was that after firing less than 20 rounds, the carbon from the rounds would coat the window of the laser sight, diminishing the effective light output to nearly nil. A quick clean of the window and you would be back in service. This was an issue for training, not for real world use (where it was highly unlikely anyone in a self defense position would fire 15+ rounds).

We did have one back and forth with Lasermax over the issue of rust. Our motor officer came in to show me his pistol. He claimed that a month prior, he had cleaned his pistol and checked the sight. I had no doubts about his claim as he was meticulous. Of course, that month was one of our wettest and his Glock was totally exposed for 10 hours a day, four days a week. When I disassembled the pistol, I noted that the rust was apparently coming from the laser sight. The spring showed rust and the battery pack was essentially fused inside of the sight unit. Lasermax and I disagreed on the rust issues, particularly with a rusting battery pack. They believed it to be something with the officer. I believed it to be with the battery pack (non sealed from the elements) and/or springs. Something you would probably not find unless you were in the elements for a month.

On the issue of the sight, I can personally attest to their effectiveness in simple intimidation alone. The use of the issued Lasermax sights prevented at least two potential officer involved shootings. In one event, an officer confronted a driver in a vehicle. He started the truck with the officer in front. The officer "painted" the suspect's eyes and settled the dot on his chest. The suspect got very nervous and did comply. In the other event, a suspect was chased, stopped and started making movements like he was going to draw something from his back. The officer painted the eyes and then settled on the chest. The suspect asked if the dot was from a TASER or from a gun. The officer told him he could find out in a deadly way. The suspect maintained that stance until finally showing his hands. He was unarmed. He did admit that he wanted the officer to shoot him but the laser sight tripped him out. I was there when he told me, "I figured that laser meant you guys weren't f&^cking around!"

I hope this helps. There are pros and cons to each system. To Lasermax's benefit, they redesigned their system so that the spring is now captured. I have both.

This is a good responce to some excellent experience with a product. Pay attention boys and girls. This is how it's done.

They have changed the spring design like you stated. What about the rusting issue when exposed to high moisture for extended periods of time? I know that it might not be an issue with me, I'm not an officer, and wouldn't be out in the rain with my Glock. Still am curious if they (LaserMax) have attempted to correct that corrosion issue. Thanks Morris.

Gonzo

[Morris]

My understanding is that the newer springs resist corrosion/rust better when exposed. However, I have not confirmed that information.

[rogeroger]

I have CT's on some of my other guns but after trying them on my G22 I sent them back and went with LaserMax.

The Crimson Trace grips have NO on/off master switch. They could be turned on when you do not want them giving away your position. Also they are triggered everytime you fire. Not good for laser/battery life. At least the LaserMax can be kept off.

I told Crimson Trace about my concerns but their response was 'that's just the way it is'.

This is dangerous!:soap:

[tacticalsupply]

I agree that you would be hard pressed to break the $200 mark, but I would definitely be interested in helping out a group buy. I keep a healthy stock of these grips and I love them. I prefer the master switch option on many of the full CT grips, but the way the Glock grip is manufactured makes it hard for a switch to be implemented. Incidentally, if you are worried about batteries, there are coupons for free batteries if you buy a grip before March 31. Just thought I would let everyone know.

[Happy G]

If you are lefty and carry IWB these grips were quite uncomfortable. Note the "were", I took 'em off and traded them in on a M-6. They do work well though. They give you a nice palm swell and force a little higher grip. Just not IWB if your are one of us leftys.

[rrr]

Originally posted by rogeroger
I have CT's on some of my other guns but after trying them on my G22 I sent them back and went with LaserMax.

The Crimson Trace grips have NO on/off master switch. They could be turned on when you do not want them giving away your position. Also they are triggered everytime you fire. Not good for laser/battery life. At least the LaserMax can be kept off.

This is dangerous!:soap:

I found after a little practice I could grip the gun without activating the CT laser until I wanted the laser.

If shooting an outdoor match where I can't use the laser. I just take the grip off, since it takes about a minute to do.

It would be nice to have a master on/off on the CT but it isn't a deal killer to me to lose the things I liked about it over the LaserMax.

[Alaskapopo]

Keeping your trigger finger strait against the slide where its supposed to be blocks the laser. So its a non issue to have a master switch.
pat

[rrr]

Originally posted by 355sigfan
Keeping your trigger finger strait against the slide where its supposed to be blocks the laser. So its a non issue to have a master switch.
pat

Actually I've find that with the laser grip my finger is just under the diode so it rides slightly lower on the slide (so it doesen't block the beam) instead of right down the middle of the slide where it would ride without the laser.

If I wanted to block the beam with my finger, I could just by pointing my finger slightly up so it rode on the middle of the slide.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally posted by rrr
Actually I've find that with the laser grip my finger is just under the diode so it rides slightly lower on the slide (so it doesen't block the beam) instead of right down the middle of the slide where it would ride without the laser.

If I wanted to block the beam with my finger, I could just by pointing my finger slightly up so it rode on the middle of the slide.

I was taught and teach my students to index their finger on the ejection port of the pistol. This makes it harder for them to slip on to the trigger under stress.
Pat

[DaveG37]

Didn't see this link to those wanting a place to picke up the CT grips for good price ... in my looking online and calling around locally, this was (for me) the best deal that I found:

http://www.opticsplanet.net/crimson-brand.html

Free shipping was a big plus to the prices.

However, I ended up getting the CT grip as a package deal on a new model 22 I bought last week from my gunstore which was reasonably priced together. So, I can not make any other comments regarding customer service n such about opticsplanet.

I finally got to shoot my model 22 last night with the lazer grips and really enjoyed but I do have to say that I would have to +1 on those that would like an on/off switch.

PS The CT grips that fit my G22 also work on my G37 ... that sweetened the pot to know that I could swap it around and that may be something ALOT of you Glock junkies would want to consider when making a lazer sight purchase between a CT grip vs the rail mounted system that would ensure all your guns are covered.

[GlockedGonzo]

Originally posted by DaveG37
Didn't see this link to those wanting a place to picke up the CT grips for good price ... in my looking online and calling around locally, this was (for me) the best deal that I found:

http://www.opticsplanet.net/crimson-brand.html

Free shipping was a big plus to the prices.

However, I ended up getting the CT grip as a package deal on a new model 22 I bought last week from my gunstore which was reasonably priced together. So, I can not make any other comments regarding customer service n such about opticsplanet.

I finally got to shoot my model 22 last night with the lazer grips and really enjoyed but I do have to say that I would have to +1 on those that would like an on/off switch.

PS The CT grips that fit my G22 also work on my G37 ... that sweetened the pot to know that I could swap it around and that may be something ALOT of you Glock junkies would want to consider when making a lazer sight purchase between a CT grip vs the rail mounted system that would ensure all your guns are covered.

If you look at the 2nd page of this topic, you'll see that someone posted a link to a web-site that has them for under $230.00 shipped. I think that's cheaper than $234.00 shipped. It's not really much, but still cheaper by over $4.00.

Gonzo

[hankhan]

The CT's alter the grip angle on the Glock from 13 degrees to something closer to the 11 1/2 degrees of the 1911. For me, it brings the point of aim down - whereas normally with a Glock I'll be slightly muzzle up. I like them.

[olretiredgunney]

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[olretiredgunney]

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[olretiredgunney]

I wouldn't take $2000.00 for it if I couldn't replace it.I baught one of my sons one just so he could try it.It is now his carry gun of preference,also.

[tacticalsupply]

Hey guys. Due to lots of price matching requests we have lowered ours to $229 with FREE SHIPPING. Just got a new stock of the subcompact Glock grips as well. Not trying to take over the thread, just thought I would post the info.

[chabone]

I was at the shot show, in Las Vegas last month. We talked to the CT rep, and I was very pleased with what I heard. Our shop now carries Crimson Trace grips. I liked the feel on my G23. I don't own any, but I slapped some on my gun to get a feel. Another thing I like, they make grips for the Beretta Vertec, when NO ONE else does.

[DaveG37]

Zero'd in my CT grip on my G22 ... love it ... nothing like shooting with both eyes wide open in a defensive posture in rapid fire mode ... I didn't really seem to notice much of a grouping variance whether I had the target close up or all the way to the back of the range ... which is not what I expected at all.

[oneway]

I just got mine yesterday. Easy to install. I love it.

[hankhan]

Do these things hold zero well? Is there any drift in zero with repeated firings?

[c4igrant]

Originally posted by hankhan
Do these things hold zero well? Is there any drift in zero with repeated firings?

Yes they do. The Military have purchased upwards of 60k worth. No other laser system can boast that.


C4

[tacticalsupply]

It comes from the factory set to Zero at 50ft. I've run several hundred rounds through mine and it hasn't budged. It has also been installed and removed dozens of times without any change.