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JMag
03-04-2006, 21:25
Yukons, Sequoias, Navigators, etc...what do you good folks think delivers the goods, so to speak?

My spousal unit totaled my Expedition this week; thankfully, no injuries. That dual five-star safety rating is legit.

We could use the recommendations in order to make something happen by first of the week. We've been driving several models all day today.

I thank you in advance.

OUSooner
03-05-2006, 07:06
GM fullsize are hard to beat. Time proven V8's and they have been making full sizers for a long time. Yukon or Escalade.

LAWDOGKMS
03-05-2006, 09:05
I agree about the full size GM models, but not the overpriced Escalade and Yukon Denali..

GM puts a $10K surcharge on their "ultra luxury" models..

I have a Z71 Chevy Suburban, with every option known to man.

It has 99.9% of the luxury of the Escalade and Denali, and true off-road capability to boot.

This is by far the best vehicle I've ever owned..

A popular option that I had to have when I bought mine was "quad buckets", which makes it easy to access the 3rd row, and allows the 2nd row passengers to recline and watch the DVD system.

Other niceties I like:

-5.3 V8 (327 ci) with 295 HP
-3.73 rear end with locker
-4WD with part time and full time options and high and low range
-sunroof
-DVD entertainment system with wireless headphones
-towing package
-etc etc etc..

It gets 17-19 on the hwy at 75 mph, has more traction offroad than I'll ever need, and drags my 4,000 boat down the hwy like it isn't even there..

If you can't tell, I LOVE IT!!

Here's a pic of mine, and then a few from a photographer (who takes much better pictures than me) of a white Z71

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/Sandhills27.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/Suburban17.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/Suburban14.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/Suburban12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/Suburban13.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/Suburban15.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/Suburban16.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/Suburban7.jpg

As you can see from the photos, the biggest difference between the Suburban and all the other big SUV's out there is room. Even with 7-8 people onboard, you still have a ton of room behind the 3rd row..

LAWDOGKMS
03-05-2006, 09:10
And if you feel the need, you can "PIMP" a Z71 Suburban or Tahoe and make it look good too..

FWIW: I have got to get an American Flag "Bowtie" for mine, and maybe even a brushguard..like this one..

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/matchframe/Tahoe2.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/matchframe/Tahoe.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/matchframe/Tahoe4.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/matchframe/Tahoe6.jpg

PARAGON
03-05-2006, 09:34
Actually, and not to start an argument, but the 0.1% difference between the Z71 and the Denali was the most significant for me. The 6.0L came in the Denali and you couldn't get it in a Chevy. When I got the Denali, it was within a couple of thousand of the Z71 burb.

I do agree with previous posters but get the new version Tahoe/Burb. The new GMT900 version of the Tahoe/Burb/Yukon/Escalade/etc. is way ahead of the 2006 and earlier models. I drove a loaded 2007 Tahoe for a day and, personally, nothing else touches it. Great fit and finish and the damn seats were like sitting in a Lazyboy recliner.

LAWDOGKMS
03-05-2006, 09:39
Originally posted by PARAGON
Actually, and not to start an argument, but the 0.1% difference between the Z71 and the Denali was the most significant for me. The 6.0L came in the Denali and you couldn't get it in a Chevy. When I got the Denali, it was within a couple of thousand of the Z71 burb.


Yeah...I'd like a 6.0 liter also, but the 6.0 only comes in the Denali, or 3/4 ton Suburban, and the Denali is FULL TIME 4WD..

I really don't care for the mileage of a full-time 4wd vehicle..

I'll agree though...the Denali is one nice ride..:)

PARAGON
03-05-2006, 09:42
http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/ga/ul/1521044261/inlineimg/Y/100_0146.JPG

running electric fans now
http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/ga/ul/7431044261/inlineimg/Y/100_0127.JPG

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/ga/ul/3531044261/inlineimg/Y/100_0126.JPG

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/ga/ul/6931044261/inlineimg/Y/100_0114.JPG

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/ga/ul/4041044261/inlineimg/Y/100_0113.JPG

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/ga/ul/9041044261/inlineimg/Y/100_0111.JPG

PARAGON
03-05-2006, 09:56
Originally posted by LAWDOGKMS
Yeah...I'd like a 6.0 liter also, but the 6.0 only comes in the Denali, or 3/4 ton Suburban, and the Denali is FULL TIME 4WD..

I really don't care for the mileage of a full-time 4wd vehicle..

I'll agree though...the Denali is one nice ride..:) Not trying to nitpick but the Denali is AWD. Which means it doesn't really have a transfer case. It is definitly not for off road or fire trail for that matter. You can feel it "kick in" when you hit water or it slips on ice or something.

I also have an H2 and it is indeed full time 4wd with the 6.0L also. Both weigh in the same ballpark but the Denali runs 3.73s and the H2 runs 4.10s plus is shaped like a barn so it's gas mileage sucks. But the Denali gets the same gas mileage as a regular 5.3L Yukon XL that my brother owns.

FWIW, I am waiting on the new version Z71 burb. I really don't like the looks of the GMC and I don't think the Denali is that much of a difference now from the regular Tahoe/Yukon or Burb/XL. The new 5.3Ls are 320HP now but what has me twisted AGAIN is that the Denali/Escalade will have the new 6.2L with 400HP and over 400lb/ft of torque.

I really hope that GM would offer the Z71 option in the Burb with the 6.2L.

LAWDOGKMS
03-05-2006, 12:32
My "Dream Ride" would be a Z71 3/4 Ton Suburban with the Duramax Diesel and Allison 6 speed automatic...

If GM would only make it........

PARAGON
03-05-2006, 13:06
Originally posted by LAWDOGKMS
My "Dream Ride" would be a Z71 3/4 Ton Suburban with the Duramax Diesel and Allison 6 speed automatic...

If GM would only make it........ x2

method
03-05-2006, 14:42
If you have it and want to spend the coin, the '07 Escalades really are nice looking, a lot better looking than the new Tahoe, IMO. Sadly, GM has said there will be no diesel option for the new Suburban.

JMag
03-05-2006, 16:53
Thanks to all the GM guys so far...keep 'em coming.

I test-drove a 2007 Yukon yesterday...it rode well. However, the salesman's swagger and attitude sent me away rather quickly. You'd think they would have learned what got them where they(GM, Ford, etc.)are in the first place.

The dude looked like he was an extra from Saturday Night Fever and actually said he'd rather sell a few at a higher price than thirty a month at lower price...wow.

So far, I'm leaning away from GM. The big Toyo rode just as well with more goodies and I still believe better reliability.

We are off to drive a Nav tomorrow. The forthcoming Nav looks terrible to me.

I still don't care for the big, bold bow-tie on the Chevys. However, for the first time I do believe the Tahoe grill looks better than the Yukon's.

Decisions...

fiveinarow
03-05-2006, 17:15
I was a GM guy for many years... UNTIL I bought two Suburbans. I bought a brand new '97 which was an absolute piece of cr*p- it literally spent more time in the shop than it did in my driveway for a wide assortment of nit-picking little problems from failing electric window motors to harmonic balancer problems to fender liner rubs to burnt out electrical circuits. I bought it new and suffered through 50,000 absolutely miserable miles with it before trading it on....

ANOTHER Suburban... a new 2001. I figured "Lightning can't strike twice in the same place!" WRONG It was worse than the first one. I've never owned a less reliable vehicle of any brands in 40+ years.

In the meantime, my brother-in-law and a close friend also bought Suburbans/Tahoes. BOTH had transmission failures at 60,000 - 65,000 miles and BOTH had to pay $3500 because GM disavowed any responsibility.

Never again. I'm glad for guys who've had good luck with the Suburbs and Tahoes- but those will be the last GM products I ever own. Burned once- Shame on GM! Burned twice- Shame on ME!!

PARAGON
03-05-2006, 18:03
Originally posted by JMag
Thanks to all the GM guys so far...keep 'em coming.

I test-drove a 2007 Yukon yesterday...it rode well. However, the salesman's swagger and attitude sent me away rather quickly. You'd think they would have learned what got them where they(GM, Ford, etc.)are in the first place.

The dude looked like he was an extra from Saturday Night Fever and actually said he'd rather sell a few at a higher price than thirty a month at lower price...wow.

So far, I'm leaning away from GM. The big Toyo rode just as well with more goodies and I still believe better reliability.

We are off to drive a Nav tomorrow. The forthcoming Nav looks terrible to me.

I still don't care for the big, bold bow-tie on the Chevys. However, for the first time I do believe the Tahoe grill looks better than the Yukon's.

Decisions... Obviously, don't let one idiot salesman sway your decision on a long term debt commitment.;) Find some other dealership willing to take your money.

It's funny, different strokes and all, I have 2 neighbors on our street that were looking for new SUVs last year and both went through and test drove everything. BOTH chose the Eddie Bauer Expedition over the Sequoia.

As far as reliability and the previous poster's experience, unfortunately, that is with all brands. If you look at long term reliability stats, there are only a couple of stand out makes and there is not a drastic difference between them all.

I've read the same comments made about Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Ford, Dodge, Jeep, you name it. Sometimes it's a crapshoot.

fiveinarow
03-05-2006, 18:07
Originally posted by PARAGON

As far as reliability and the previous poster's experience, unfortunately, that is with all brands. If you look at long term reliability stats, there are only a couple of stand out makes and there is not a drastic difference between them all.

I've read the same comments made about Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Ford, Dodge, Jeep, you name it. Sometimes it's a crapshoot.

Absolutely true!! You can get a lemon from any manufacturer!! My only point was- don't buy a Suburban/Tahoe and just assume life is going to be a bed of roses- Your mileage may vary, as mine did.

At the moment, I'm driving a Ford F150 Crew Cab which has been 100% reliable- zero problems and a VW Diesel Jetta (which has an absolutely TERRIBLE record for reliability) but for me it's been trouble free except for a funky radio that changes stations on it's own?!?!? 45MPG and very comfortable.

So.... as Paragon says: It's a crapshoot!

IslandHopper
03-25-2006, 13:21
Originally posted by LAWDOGKMS
FWIW: I have got to get an American Flag "Bowtie" for mine, and maybe even a brushguard..like this one..


That's NOT an American Flag !!! (though perhaps it would've made a good one;) )

Ever consider an Excursion ? ... I sure like mine... but I need the room for all the kids. I'd probably opt for the Expedition if I didn't need all the room.