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Vigilant
03-07-2006, 14:23
Think about it: An aftermarket foreend with a tactical light, PLUS accommodations for a large canister of OC spray which could be deployed straight forward from the grip in lieu of firing the weapon if you find yourself in a bad situation that doesn't quite meet the standard for lethal force. I don't suppose someone knows where one could be bought?
Vig
Originally posted by Vigilant
Think about it: An aftermarket foreend with a tactical light, PLUS accommodations for a large canister of OC spray which could be deployed straight forward from the grip in lieu of firing the weapon if you find yourself in a bad situation that doesn't quite meet the standard for lethal force. I don't suppose someone knows where one could be bought?
Vig
Suggest it to FOX labs! :)
I'm personally waiting for a knox comp stock crossed with a speedfeed stock.
Jack Straight
03-07-2006, 14:39
I would worry about hitting the wrong trigger under stress.....
There is a reason to NOT combine lethal and non-lethal defenses into one device.
ccoralli
03-07-2006, 15:52
I agree w/ jack straight, why would you be pointing a gun at something that dosn't meet the standard for lethal force?
Vigilant
03-07-2006, 16:29
If I'm at home in the wee hours of the morning and have an unwelcome visit, wouldn't it make sense to have a shotgun equipped with a good tac light AND a canister of OC, since not all states (including mine) allow you to shoot someone just because they have invaded your home? The law sucks, but that's life around here. If I catch some bastard in the tac light beam, I would have the option of firing if he is armed, or hosing him DOWN if he is unarmed. Make sense?
May or may not be feasible, but it makes sense to me...
Vig
He had this knife he took from my kitchen Sir. Yes I did have to shoot him a couple times before I felt like he wouldn't get up again.;Q
ccoralli
03-08-2006, 09:25
Originally posted by Vigilant
If I'm at home in the wee hours of the morning and have an unwelcome visit, wouldn't it make sense to have a shotgun equipped with a good tac light AND a canister of OC, since not all states (including mine) allow you to shoot someone just because they have invaded your home? The law sucks, but that's life around here. If I catch some bastard in the tac light beam, I would have the option of firing if he is armed, or hosing him DOWN if he is unarmed. Make sense?
May or may not be feasible, but it makes sense to me...
Vig
i see, your point, but it still seems wrong to have a non lethal device attached to a lethal device.
what about modifying a sling to hold the spray across your chest for easy access? i could see that working, that way, if you wake up in the middle of the night just in your underwear, you don't have to worry about strapping on a belt, or holding something other than your gun
Outfit called Tigerlight made a flashlight w/OC combo a year or two ago. I wonder if it is still on the market.... Be a real pain to attach to firearm, though.
Having a non-lethal means of defense is a great idea, but attaching it to a lethal means of defense is NOT a good idea. Believe there were a few instances where LE grabbed a real pistol instead of a TASAR under stress. Ruined a couple of careers, IIRC, not to mention lives.
From the safety of the keyboard where vision is 20/20 and dexterity is 100 %, it seems like a good idea.
When the defecation hits the rotary oscillator, the only outcome will likely be bad, regardless of intent.
This is why it isn't a good idea to use a weapon mounted light as a general search light - never let the muzzle cover anything you aren't willing to destroy.
Vigilant
03-11-2006, 18:38
Good point, Steve. Thanks. I was just thinking out loud. It's a LOT cheaper to spray than to shoot, if possible. That is, if the POS is not immune to spray. I've seen it happen.
Vig
Originally posted by Jack Straight
I would worry about hitting the wrong trigger under stress.....
There is a reason to NOT combine lethal and non-lethal defenses into one device.
Yup, left hand CS and the right hand firearm, or visa-versa. ;);)
Honeslty, I feel that mixing lethal and non lethal into s single device is a bad idea as others have stated. However, something along similiar lins that would be sweet would be a taser coupled together with an integrated OC dispenser. Reason being, that tasers are generally single shot weapons with very short range and then after that contact weapons. They are also really not at all capable of dealing with more than one target at a time. On the other hand by contrast, you can just hose away an area or multiple people with OC.
So the idea is that the first or most dangerous or armed attacker gets the taser, the rest get OC in generous amounts while I load another taser cartridge.
TED
Some state laws would consider pointing the deadly weapon at someone is the use of deadly force. Make sure your justified.
Surefire makes a railed fore end so you may be able to rig something up for yourself. I would recommend keeping them separate though. Like it's already been said under stress you are likely to pull the wrong trigger. Look at the stories of cops shooting people when they thought they had a Taser in their hands.
ElevatedThreat
03-27-2006, 21:34
Regardless of whether you REALLY cofused the OC with the 00, some plaitiff's lawyer would for sure claim that you really didn't mean to shoot the perp, you just confused the two levels of force and ACCIDENTALLY shot their client's gentle-as-a-lamb spouse in your livingroom.
Unscroopulous (sp?) lawyers ruin everything....
-ET
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