Can you lighten the DA trigger pull on a P2000 V3?

[Gadgetman]

Title says it all.

There must be a way to change a spring or something to lighten the 13 lb trigger pull.

Thanks

[uncut]

Are you using the Pistol to blinker with or as defensive weapon ??
Unless there is a factory replacement I would stay away from it....

Should you use it for defense and change the spring with something else than what is out there from the factory.....you are opening a can of worms should you ever come in need of using the pistol ....

The following is taken from another board .... and was writen by Sniper350..... I am German so I can't put it in words like he did.. but I 100% agree with him on the issue....



If you are going to use your handgun "strictly" for pleasure shooting....and puching holes in paper at your local Gun Range then you need not read any further. Modify your gun to your hearts content.

But if you are going to use your handgun for home defense or personal defense........then there are some important issues you should be aware of. Discounting the obvious safety issues of maybe having a FTF in a life and death struggle.There was an in depth discussion of these issues on the S&W forum not to long ago where members described their "real life" incounters with the Law and Civil courts.......regarding the use of deadly force for self defense. So these points are not " could happen or might happen...........but they are actually what did happen and can happen again.

Shoot someone with a gun......and that gun will be taken into evidence( that's a given). That gun will be examined closely by the State and and any attorney hired by (family of) the person shot. When they find that the gun was modified to shoot faster or easier..........you the "shooter" will be made out to be a cold blooded killer...just looking to kill someone. Your image will be one of a person that took a deadly weapon.......and just had to go out and make changes so it would be easier to kill .

Of course, this is all B.S. but they ( attorneys) will march the company rep.s that built the gun ...into court and ask them if this modification is recommended or safe. You will not find one company that will support your modifications--period! Even S&W when they receive a gun for warranty work will remove "any" modifcations to the springs to avoid liability in a court action......and they tell you that before you send them the gun.

So there you sit in court labeled a killer.......building guns to kill faster and easier........do you get the picture. Of course your attorney will do what he can to put you in a better light...but juries nowadays are mostly anti-gun. The guy on the S&W forum was a law enforcement officer and he was found guilty as charged in a "civil Court Action" where the proof can be much less than in a criminal action. Luckily for him he had a friendly judge that fixed his sentence to a fine of $100, which he paid right away. Will you be as lucky ?

The cost of a trial defending yourself is extremely high ( and can destroy your family's finances)..........what you don't need is an attorney going after you in Civil court "loaded" with the facts that you modified a gun so it would be easier to Use ( kill).

I have seen it too many times..........juries are willing to bend over backwards for the criminals or attcakers if they get hurt by the average citizen........why this is so baffles me to this day........but it doesn't change the facts.

I would never use a modified gun for CCW or home defense, where I am altering the mechanical nature of the weapon and is not 100% supported by factory gunsmiths !!

[Gadgetman]

If I change out the trigger spring #214164 will that lighten the DA trigger pull without effecting the SA pull?

[1911austin]

Originally posted by uncut
Are you using the Pistol to blinker with or as defensive weapon ??
Unless there is a factory replacement I would stay away from it....

Should you use it for defense and change the spring with something else than what is out there from the factory.....you are opening a can of worms should you ever come in need of using the pistol ....

The following is taken from another board .... and was writen by Sniper350..... I am German so I can't put it in words like he did.. but I 100% agree with him on the issue....



If you are going to use your handgun "strictly" for pleasure shooting....and puching holes in paper at your local Gun Range then you need not read any further. Modify your gun to your hearts content.

But if you are going to use your handgun for home defense or personal defense........then there are some important issues you should be aware of. Discounting the obvious safety issues of maybe having a FTF in a life and death struggle.There was an in depth discussion of these issues on the S&W forum not to long ago where members described their "real life" incounters with the Law and Civil courts.......regarding the use of deadly force for self defense. So these points are not " could happen or might happen...........but they are actually what did happen and can happen again.

Shoot someone with a gun......and that gun will be taken into evidence( that's a given). That gun will be examined closely by the State and and any attorney hired by (family of) the person shot. When they find that the gun was modified to shoot faster or easier..........you the "shooter" will be made out to be a cold blooded killer...just looking to kill someone. Your image will be one of a person that took a deadly weapon.......and just had to go out and make changes so it would be easier to kill .

Of course, this is all B.S. but they ( attorneys) will march the company rep.s that built the gun ...into court and ask them if this modification is recommended or safe. You will not find one company that will support your modifications--period! Even S&W when they receive a gun for warranty work will remove "any" modifcations to the springs to avoid liability in a court action......and they tell you that before you send them the gun.

So there you sit in court labeled a killer.......building guns to kill faster and easier........do you get the picture. Of course your attorney will do what he can to put you in a better light...but juries nowadays are mostly anti-gun. The guy on the S&W forum was a law enforcement officer and he was found guilty as charged in a "civil Court Action" where the proof can be much less than in a criminal action. Luckily for him he had a friendly judge that fixed his sentence to a fine of $100, which he paid right away. Will you be as lucky ?

The cost of a trial defending yourself is extremely high ( and can destroy your family's finances)..........what you don't need is an attorney going after you in Civil court "loaded" with the facts that you modified a gun so it would be easier to Use ( kill).

I have seen it too many times..........juries are willing to bend over backwards for the criminals or attcakers if they get hurt by the average citizen........why this is so baffles me to this day........but it doesn't change the facts.

I would never use a modified gun for CCW or home defense, where I am altering the mechanical nature of the weapon and is not 100% supported by factory gunsmiths !!

Yea, got any actual case law to support your opinion? This poor dead horse had been beat into the ground on these forums.

I had much rather explain why I put in a lighter spring set than why I missed my intended target and hit an innocent bystander because I could not accurately shoot my handgun with a 15lb factory trigger.

BTW, does anyone know the answer to the original question? I will be getting a V3 P2000 very soon and would like to know myself.

[uncut]

No I have not searched for any cases on this matter...... though I would belive if H&K offers a factory spring to exchange the one that is in the V3 P2000 it would be ok.....
I just don't put anything in my pistol that is not factory endorsed (pistols I carry that is)... let alone cut coils of the spring to make it lighter

And I know this horse has been beat....just like the Glock vs other guns.... it is my opinion though and don't want it to become a issue or anything....
however you could opt on the P2000 always for the LEM this way the triggerpull would be already lighter than on the V3....
The trigger smoothens out with use..... buy some snapcaps... and pull that trigger for like 500 times in DA mode... and you will notice the difference


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v362/ylide/4springs.jpg

I took this picture out of another post... you see springs for a P99..... See how much more compressed the spring is after using it for a while.... if that happens with a lighter spring it is my opinion (and mine only) that it might render the gun unreliable....
but it is just my 2 cents.... and I sure don't wanna beat a deat horse....

[1911austin]

uncut,

Guess we will just agree to disagree on whether it is smart to modify a carry gun or not.

Although I do not know how the LEM trigger works, I am fairly sure that you can’t just use a LEM mainspring (V1 or V2) in a V3 to achieve a reduced trigger pull. With the LEM, you only get one “light” trigger pull between slide cycles indicating that a spring is being charged or partially charged when the slide cycles (either manually or from recoil). After the initial light pull, if the slide in not cycled, the trigger pull weight increases to about 12lbs.