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e1harris
03-28-2006, 11:42
to do all over again....

What MOS?

I'm talking to a recruiter right now. I can't figure out what I'd like to do.

I'm 26 and my body feels 30. So combat arms might be a little rough on me. Not to mention I'd like to actually learn a skill that I could use when I get out....

I appreciate any advice.

Oh yeah, I've got high scores on the ASVAB, and I can get a security clearance.

nothing
03-28-2006, 16:01
26 is nowhere near to old for combat arms, I'm 29 and entered as an 11B at the age of 25. The average age in my platoon is 32. If I did it all over I still wouldn't choose anything other than infantry.

gsr
03-28-2006, 22:16
Pick a job that you want to be doing when the bullets are flying.;)

MarkP
03-28-2006, 23:18
Originally posted by e1harris
to do all over again....

What MOS?

I'm talking to a recruiter right now. I can't figure out what I'd like to do.

I'm 26 and my body feels 30. So combat arms might be a little rough on me. Not to mention I'd like to actually learn a skill that I could use when I get out....

I appreciate any advice.

Oh yeah, I've got high scores on the ASVAB, and I can get a security clearance.

I almost went back in as a Reservist - Civil Affairs Specialist - would have lost rank (E5 to E4) and spent to much time away getting retrained.

Soooo, ended up with a new Guard unit (INF) , MOS qulaified and get to keep my rank. Have 20 years on most of the guys there , talk about OLD.
Do you have prior service or no?

Jafo2001
04-02-2006, 23:47
I had a couple of jobs, but the one I loved the most was being a Medic. You can't really use it for pay outside the military (in this state EMT/paramedics get minimum wage or little better) but it is a skill you can always use and you get a sense of accomplishment at the end of the day. The fact that the medical corps is pretty rank heavy can be both a blessing and a curse. On average the unit is higher in rank so starting out you go up pretty quick, but you tend to stay in the E4 to E5 range for quite a while.

Being an armor was another cool assignment. This is something you can use in the "real world" but you don't earn rank very fast and the work in the military can be a bit tedious. If you love taking apart and putting back together weapons however, it can be enjoyable.

CHCB
04-03-2006, 06:27
A retired CW4 in my shop and I JUST had this discussion. I'd be a 98G Arab linguist. Make SFC in no time, get reup bonuses like nobody's business, then get out and got to work for the CIA!

gunman_23
04-03-2006, 07:07
What was your previous MOS?

Other than that as a formet Signal guy if I went back in I would choose and recommend

Intel field (your choice)
Military Police
Aviation (try to go flight Warrant)

e1harris
04-03-2006, 09:28
I'm so ticked off... It's my own fault though so i can only be mad at myself.

I can't get a security clearance. I have pretty much fowled up my credit. Until I found this out I was looking at being Military Police.

So any help guys? I can't seem to find a "list" of jobs for the Army on the internet that do not require a security clearance...

Any sugestions?

Soul Hunter
04-03-2006, 11:18
fowling up your credit should kill your chances of getting a clearance, unless you're going for a gig that requires a lifestyle poly. not 100% sure on that though. the only real way is to get your credit right. start paying stuff on time; negotiate something with your creditors, stick to cash for a while and treat credit as cash. if you don't have it in the bank, don't charge it. if you've filed for banruptcy, different story.

e1harris
04-03-2006, 16:03
My credit is finally all caught up. Definitely sticking to all cash for now on. But.... I had a repo about 2 years ago. From what I've been told, is that the repo alone is enough to kill my clearance chances.

I'm currently looking for a list of Army MOS jobs. But I need to know which ones do not need a security clearance so I can sit down and make an informed decision.

I don't want to get the "Infantry does not require a security clearance" speech, from the recruiter.

Nothing against our hard working ground soldiers, but it's just not for me.

waymore
04-03-2006, 19:14
The big question is what do you want to do.

Be a soldier?
Work in an office?
Have a transferable skill?

I don't knock or look down on anybodies choices but for me I could not see enlisting to be a supply clerk (unless I just needed a job).
Then again after having spent plenty of time outside I don't think I want to be a grunt again either.

Focus on your goals first. Then see what fits those goals.

My favorite was 13e (artillery fire direction controller)in the national guard. Use to shoot every drill. Not especially transferable though.

Black Tiger
04-03-2006, 22:20
If I could redo my Army career all over again; I would've gone as an MP first (instead of being a desk jockey Supply Clerk); serve a few years as a garisson MP, get the CID school and try real hard to have a cushy assignment as a PSD for a 2 or 3 star, travelling wherever he goes. :supergrin:

I like my current MOS (31 Bravo)too damn much.:supergrin: :supergrin:

hi speed
04-03-2006, 22:37
Originally posted by e1harris
I'm so ticked off... It's my own fault though so i can only be mad at myself.

I can't get a security clearance. I have pretty much fowled up my credit. Until I found this out I was looking at being Military Police.

So any help guys? I can't seem to find a "list" of jobs for the Army on the internet that do not require a security clearance...

Any sugestions?

It is not unheard of to have such booboo's waved. In this day and age the Army is in dire need of recruits.


I would say be a mechanic. There are a lot of perks and the pay as a civilian doing the same thing after Army training is in the six figures for some. I'm a 63A K4, getting out soon, and have been hired by Honeywell (the company who makes the turbines) for a really nice job. I'll even have the chance to go to Iraq or Kuwait as a feild rep. The money is more a year than I've made in the Army in the last 4.

CHCB
04-04-2006, 05:48
Be careful of picking an MOS based solely on your ability to transfer the skill to the civilian world. Whatever you select, that's what you're going to spend the next 4-8 years doing, and if it's not something that excites or interests you, you're going to be miserable.

I was an enlisted infantryman for 10 years, and an infantry officer for 4. Four of my best friends, infantrymen all, are making good livings now, 6 figures (and in one case, 7) after having gotten out. NONE of those three are using any concrete skill they learned as infantrymen in their careers.

I'm not trying to sell the infantry here (I'm sure your recruiter is doing that!) just pointing out that it's possible to serve, get out, and make a great living, REGARDLESS of your MOS choice.

I'm in the Adjutant General's Corps now. I find the work very rewarding-helping soldiers, though it's certainly not as glorious as making HALO jumps in the Ranger battalion!

ranger88
04-06-2006, 15:26
I went into the Army with a guarantee for Infantry and thought that I would surely be an 11B. I ended up being made into an 11H, which wasn't an entirely bad thing. I still got to go to Airborne School, then served in a Mech Unit (yuck!), got myself into the 82d Airborne Division and then Ranger School. After 6 1/2 years total, I was finally mature enough to handle the "real" world.

I said all of that to qualify what I'm going to say now. The Infantry doesn't offer a specific job skill that can be easily transferred to a civilian job like being a dental tech would or a heavy equipment operator. But what it does give you is leadership and interpersonal skills that will serve you well for the rest of your life in whatever field you choose post military. I own my own business and do pretty well even though I only have a high school diploma and a few college classes. I attribute much of my success to my time in the Army. Whatever MOS you choose, apply yourself, attend any school or additional training that is offered to you, stay sharp mentally, physically and in appearance - and you will not fail in the military or otherwise in life.

GackMan
04-06-2006, 16:38
Originally posted by e1harris
I'm so ticked off... It's my own fault though so i can only be mad at myself.

I can't get a security clearance. I have pretty much fowled up my credit. Until I found this out I was looking at being Military Police.

So any help guys? I can't seem to find a "list" of jobs for the Army on the internet that do not require a security clearance...

Any sugestions?

you should be able to get a secret, maybe even a top secret. Bad credit will be more of an issue if you need an SSBI done. It isn't your recruiter's job to tell you what MOS you can't get based on your credit, let the investigator worry about that when you do your PSSP screening at MEPS. Have copies of all of your financial paperwork and show that you are responsible and taking care of your debt. I knew people in the army with me who had defaulted on student loads and filed bankruptcy but they had TS/SCI and lifestyle poly. so it is possible.

try usmilitary.about.com, they have pretty long lists of what MOSes are out there.

I was in the infantry for 2 years in the reserves and when I went on active duty I changed MOSes over to Intelligence. I spent 8 years on active duty. As your recruiter about the 98XL enlistment option if you want to go into intelligence. They are always understrength in that MOS. I'm sure Chinese will be popular for years to come. There are entire websites devoted to recruiting people just because they have a clearance (example: https://secure.clearancejobs.com/).

I had a great time in Intelligence, got to do some fun stuff, work with some cool things and people, and I had good experience to get into jobs after the military.

HOWEVER, my personal philosophy is if you join the military, do something military. Jump out of planes, drive a tank, blow stuff up, etc. If you want a crappy job with long hours, low pay, adn some career training there are plenty of those with not as much danger involved. And as rewarding as it is... there is a considerable level of suck involved with military life. So if you join for the wrong reason, you could be setting yourself up for a pretty miserable existence over the next 4 - 6 years.

I would have stayed in the infantry. I took MI because they told me I wouldn't be able to get Airborne or RIP in my contract since they counted me as 'prior service'. The big incentive the offered me at MEPS was that they would send me to 8th ID in germany... I knew enough to stay away from that!


anyway, hope that helps.

fitz4609
04-06-2006, 16:46
Sometimes the jobs just happen to to you and you may not have any say in the matter.
I did 4 years Regular Army as a medic serving 12 months in Sinop Turkey. Nothing exciting happened, no grand opportunities came my way and every time I volunteered for something I was declined. Mission essential.
I next spent 6 yrs in the Fl NG while going to college. Nothing happened. Local civilians treated the Guard like a joke and we were reminded that we would NEVER go anywhere or do anything.
Graduated with my Physician Assistant and went to the Army recruiter.
Full up he said, so I went Air Force. One half my unit went to Rihyad while the rest did double duty.
Clinton came along and stripped us bare so I joined the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Get to treat illegal MS-13 gang members instead of soldiers. Never went anywhere or fought any enemy. Wrong place and bad timing, I feel like I trained for the big game then sat on the bench for nearly 20 yrs. Now I get to see females on armed patrols, something that was unheard of even 10 yrs ago.
If I had it to do over I would say to hell with trying to help people and picked another MOS.:soap: :soap:

e1harris
04-06-2006, 19:17
You guys are giving me great advice. I really do appreciate it.

waymore
04-08-2006, 22:34
The specific question "if I had it to do over again,,"

I would go E.O.D. I dont' thnk you can enlist for it initally but have to volunteer (not sure though).

Cav
04-10-2006, 15:02
If you can just do two years sign up for supply, or some basic job, then look at other jobs.

Combat arms can be easy, and has the best protection. For OIF I/II I saw the new Army, and everyone has to be ready to do a grunts job, but the Infantry gets the best weapons.

See about being a Tanker, Arty, or a Cav Scout. They are combat arms, but much easyer than Infantry.

I did 12 years as active duty Infantry (11B/11C/11M/11H.......) While I liked Light Infantry best, doing Mech Inf work was fun too.

One nice thing about the Infantry that I liked was many weekends off and many 4 day weekends (Heck spent a lot of time just cleaning weapons in the barracks while watching movies or resting). Other jobs had to work weekends. We play hard, and part hard (but I hear some of that has changed).

I got out of the Military and went into Law Enforcement, my Infantry skills have done me well.

I have worked as a M.P. and a Cav Scout (While being Infantry) and they seem fun at times.

FDC
04-14-2006, 05:59
If I had to do it again, it would be 13F(probably one of the most versatile MOSes in the Army).
I tried re-upping for it in 96, but I was offered a Vicenza, Italy tour in my current MOS. I went to Italy.

CJStudent
04-15-2006, 23:35
I personally like my MOS (74D, Chemical Operations Specialist). We don't really do all that much in my unit (National Guard), and it didn't require a security clearance. The one bad thing is that a lot of people from my unit got pulled out, retrained as MP's, and deployed, but I don't know how common that is in active duty.

USDefender
04-25-2006, 09:48
Originally posted by e1harris
to do all over again....

What MOS?

I'm talking to a recruiter right now. I can't figure out what I'd like to do.

I'm 26 and my body feels 30. So combat arms might be a little rough on me. Not to mention I'd like to actually learn a skill that I could use when I get out....

I appreciate any advice.

Oh yeah, I've got high scores on the ASVAB, and I can get a security clearance.


Given this quite some thought...'hind sight n' all...

I loved going Aviation, but if I did it again, I'd definitely go to more schools (i.e. Air Assault, Ranger - even if I failed out, airborne, etc.). Some can really seem to 'suck' while you're doing them.....but later in life, they would be some really cool experiences to have. Now, I look back & say 'Geez, I shoulda done more of that stuff while I was young & single... Believe me, once you get out & get married, doing the really neat stuff ends with HER disapproval... :supergrin:

I'd also consider sniper school... Doing things that you just will probably never be able to do again when you go 'back in the world'.

Never the less knowing me, if I were to go back in today, I'd probably go JAG. Excellent experience to transfer into the civilian legal field (a field with nice paychecks - usually). Yep, the 'me' of today -a lot older & wiser than the 'me' when I was in- would probably go JAG. (*Lots better-looking women in ARMY JAG too... ;) )

Originally posted by CHCB
A retired CW4 in my shop and I JUST had this discussion. I'd be a 98G Arab linguist. Make SFC in no time, get reup bonuses like nobody's business, then get out and got to work for the CIA!

Another excellent idea, IMO. :)

USDefender
04-25-2006, 10:15
Btw, e1harris, I'd like to offer you some 'sage' advice that nobody ever thought to tell me when I was in your shoes.

While you're in & making your own decisions (as opposed to all the decisions I make by 'committee' [i.e.marriage], now) have fun with it. Do all the cool stuff that you will NEVER BE ABLE TO DO AGAIN as a civilian!

What do I mean? #1, Buy you the car you want & have fun driving it... It's too late once you've got a family to support. I had a car, but it was one that my parents talked me into getting - very practical ( :puking: ). What I should've really done was told 'em to screw off & bought that Mustang I wanted...

#2, Travel to as many places as the military will take you. I was stationed in Germany, so I got to see a good portion of Europe...but I still wish I'd have done more... Incidentally, Spain was my favorite country...excellent beaches & lots of sangria. ;)

#3, Buy all the guns you can while you don't have to ask anyone else's opinion as to 'which bills to pay this month'... If you're in the barracks, put 'em in a good secure storage location off post and NOT in the military armory. *The armorers screw around with & screw up 'personally owned weapons' under their care...

#4, SAVE as much money as you can for when you get out... My term of service came to an end & I had nothing in the bank. *Stupid, stupid, stupid... :brickwall:

#5, Go to all the schools that the military will let you go to (i.e. Airborne, Airassault, Sniper, etc...) Trust me, when you're sitting in your livingroom, later in life, thinking about your past, you will be so glad you did while you had the chance.

Good luck.

hi speed
04-25-2006, 18:28
[QUOTE]Originally posted by USDefender
[B] Trust me, when you're sitting in your livingroom, later in life, thinking about your past, you will be so glad you did while you had the chance.



I'll be leaving the Army on the 12th of May and it just occured to me. When I'm "posted up chilling at Fort Livingroom S.C." and I start thinking about my past, I wonder how I would feel if I would not have taken numerous human lives? Just a thought to consider:upeyes:



Any thoughts please PM me.


Hi Speed

USDefender
04-27-2006, 15:02
Originally posted by hi speed
[QUOTE]Originally posted by USDefender
[B] Trust me, when you're sitting in your livingroom, later in life, thinking about your past, you will be so glad you did while you had the chance.



I'll be leaving the Army on the 12th of May and it just occured to me. When I'm "posted up chilling at Fort Livingroom S.C." and I start thinking about my past, I wonder how I would feel if I would not have taken numerous human lives? Just a thought to consider:upeyes:



Any thoughts please PM me.


Hi Speed

Check your mail, bud. -USD

.40 caliber
04-28-2006, 12:45
I'm very satisfied with my MOS.I AM A 88N.Thats transportation and the promotion points are very low,about 350 - 375 all the way up to SSG.When you get out you can work any where that does transporting.Rail yards , ship docks and airports.When I deployed to Egypt last summer I was talking to a retired 1SG from the Air Force. He did the same job i do in the Army. He works for a shipping company on some huge ship making 6 figures starting out.If you plan on getting out soon get a MOS that will help you in the civilian world.

e1harris
05-01-2006, 13:50
Everyone's advice has been very helpful. I should be going next week to take the ASVAB. I should ace it. When I took it back in High School I got darn near a perfect score.

So assuming I score well enough on the test.... these are the MOS's I have narrowed it down to. Tell me what you think....


15B AIRCRAFT POWERPLANT REPAIRER
15D AIRCRAFT POWERTRAIN REPAIRER
15F AIRCRAFT ELECTRICIAN
15G AIRCRAFT STRUCTURAL REPAIRER
15H AIRCRAFT PNEUDRAULICS REPAIRER
15J OH-58D ARMAMENT/ELECTRICAL/AVIONICS SYSTEMS REPAIRER
15Q AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL OPERATOR
15R AH-64 ATTACK HELICOPTER REPAIRER
15S OH-58D HELICOPTER REPAIRER
15T UH-60 HELICOPTER REPAIRER
15U CH-47 HELICOPTER REPAIRER
15X AH-64A ARMAMENT/ELECTRICAL/AVIONICS SYSTEM REPAIRER
15Y AH-64D ARMAMENT/ELECTRICAL/AVIONICS SYSTEM REPAIRER

21M FIREFIGHTER
21S TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEYOR
21T TECHNICAL ENGINEER

31E INTERNMENT/RESETTLEMENT SPECIALIST

45B SMALL ARMS/ARTILLERY REPAIRER

68A MEDICAL EQUIPMENT REPAIRER
68D OPERATING ROOM SPECIALIST
68E DENTAL SPECIALIST
68G PATIENT ADMINISTRATION SPECIALIST
68H OPTICAL LABORATORY SPECIALIST
68J MEDICAL LOGISTICS SPECIALIST
68K MEDICAL LABORATORY SPECIALIST
68M HOSPITAL FOOD SERVICE SPECIALIST
68P RADIOLOGY SPECIALIST
68Q PHARMACY SPECIALIST
68R VETERINARY FOOD INSPECTION SPECIALIST
68S PREVENTIVE MEDICINE SPECIALIST
68T ANIMAL CARE SPECIALIST
68V RESPIRATORY SPECIALIST
68W HEALTH CARE SPECIALIST
68X MENTAL HEALTH SPECIALIST

88N TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR

92A AUTOMATED LOGISTICAL SPECIALIST
92L PETROLEUM LABORATORY SPECIALIST
92Y UNIT SUPPLY SPECIALIST

94D AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL EQUIPMENT REPAIRER
94E RADIO AND COMMUNICATIONS SECURITY (COMSEC) REPAIRER
94H TEST, MEASUREMENT, AND DIAGNOSTIC EQUIPMENT (TMDE) MAINTENANCE SUPPORT SPECIALIST
94K APACHE ATTACK HELICOPTER SYSTEMS REPAIRER
94L AVIONIC COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT REPAIRER
94P MULTIPLE LAUNCH ROCKET SYSTEM REPAIRER
94S PATRIOT SYSTEM REPAIRER
94T AVENGER SYSTEM REPAIRER

hi speed
05-01-2006, 14:18
98 Xray - Linguist


Atleast inquire as to the perks of this MOS. I assure you it is as demanding as they come. Lots of respect comes with it, Especially from the brass. Extra pay for a second language is not bad either.


Avionics is already being contracted out. As are many of the technical jobs.


Good luck and keep your head down. Everyones primary MOS is 11B and with the shortage of them, don't be suprised;)


Ex: I'm a 63A K4 ( Abrams Tank Systems Maintainer) and as soon as I entered the Country of Iraq I was chosen to be Squad Designated Marksman. It sounds cool but beer is still a $1.50 any where I go!

Sam White
05-01-2006, 18:25
I'm a 92A, and it's on your list, so I'll chime in.

If you go Regular Army, you can be assigned to a variety of positions from company (motor pool) to division level (SSA/warehouse). If you go to a company level position, be prepared to be tasked out to help everyone else in the unit at one time or another. Regular Army 92A's I've talked to experience this. Some don't like it, I like being able to get some variety.

Cutoff scores are pretty high to make SGT, cutoffs for SSG are maxed out most of the time. Be prepared to spend a long time as a SPC or SGT- you may want to pursue WOCS if you want to stay for 20.

Knowing what I know now, I would probably pick something different. But it's not a bad job. I'll probably reclass within the next few years, maybe 63-series. I do like working in the motor pool.

Make whatever MOS you pick work for YOU and get the most out of it that you can. Your MOS is what you make it, it doesn't make you.

e1harris
05-29-2006, 14:59
I go down to San Antonio MEPS on Wednesday to take my physical and choose a job.

I have decided on 91WM6. That is a Health Care Specialist with an Addistional Skill Identifier of "LPN" Nurse.

Wish me luck, I hope they have slots open.

Sam White
05-30-2006, 16:20
Good choice. All but one or two of the Army medical types I've met have been awesome.

I'm going to try and go back to school for civilian nursing, using my tuition reimbursement. Then I want to go back to the reserves as a nurse.

Good luck with your career choice!:patriot:

FDC
05-30-2006, 17:29
Originally posted by e1harris
I go down to San Antonio MEPS on Wednesday to take my physical and choose a job.

I have decided on 91WM6. That is a Health Care Specialist with an Addistional Skill Identifier of "LPN" Nurse.

Wish me luck, I hope they have slots open.

Good luck, but keep an open mind when you sit down with the guidance counselor at MEPS. I'm not sure if you're looking for active or reserve, but I don't think I saw a M6 identifier go to an active duty applicant. Of course this was from Jan 01 to Jan 04.
:thumbsup:

e1harris
05-30-2006, 17:30
I'm doing Reserves. I've been told the same. That very few of the slots are given to Active Duty.

FDC
05-30-2006, 18:15
Originally posted by e1harris
I'm doing Reserves. I've been told the same. That very few of the slots are given to Active Duty.

All righty then. I would say enjoy your day tomorrow, but I know MEPS sux!:supergrin:

e1harris
05-30-2006, 18:20
LOL. Yeah I'm gonna have a blast. The best past of MEPS is that we get to learn for the 1st time what Hurry Up And Wait Means.

hi speed
05-30-2006, 18:47
Originally posted by e1harris
LOL. Yeah I'm gonna have a blast. The best past of MEPS is that we get to learn for the 1st time what Hurry Up And Wait Means. :laughabove: Learn to love playing the waiting game. Just remember you get paid to do it and don't let it get to you.

h2co3
05-30-2006, 23:23
If I could do it all over again I would go for my original choice of the 18X option. While I like being a tanker, its just not me, I belive I'm better suited for something else. Tracks are heavy! ;)

Mterada
05-31-2006, 17:54
Was it mentioned that the 91w mos is the combat medic mos?

I only ask because there arent any other combat arms type jobs listed so it wouldnt appear to be something you are going for.

stiletto raggio
06-02-2006, 20:35
Linguist, combat medic or, my own branch, MP.

Most of my soldiers like being an MP. You get a lot of autonomy and responsibility at a low level (we are truly based around the squad) and learn a lot of different things. You will get a decent amount of law enforcement experience domestically and will be in one of the most highly-desired and relevent MOS's out there. A word of advice, though: while being a cage-kicker is fun (my buddy is an MP LT at Gitmo), if you tend to stick with the Army, don't plan on staying with your specialty. You will get moved to another type of unit eventually.

Central Texan
06-14-2006, 03:16
Firefighter is a MOS again? When did that happen? I thought that was given to civi's.

Anyways, if I could do it over I would have gone 11B.

JohnNC
06-28-2006, 05:52
Do want you think you will enjoy. Donīt let your age hold you back.

I was infantry (finally) at 30, graduated Ranger school at 32, went to Special Forces Selection at 35, graduated Special Forces and SERE-C at 36, and I am no stud.

Myself, I recommend Combat Arms. I have had a blast, 19 years and no regrets. You can always change after your first enlistment if you decide to guy with something more marketable on the outside.

RangerAv8r
06-29-2006, 22:20
If you are in the DEP take the AFAST and see if you can get into FLight School and become a Warrant Officer. The extra $650 a month for flying was nice.
M

doyle01
07-13-2006, 15:59
I don't think I would change anything just stay a GRUNT ... yea I probably say that knowing I would not have to do it again :rollsmiley: :laughabove: doyle