Kytac Sooper for IDPA

[GlockRacer]

Anyone using the Kytac Sooper Hooper in IDPA SSP? I'm looking at this holster for my G34 in SSP. I'm going to try some USPSA matches as well this year, would it be a wise choice for both?

Thanks!

[SR_]

Based on the equipment surveys from the last few national matches, the hot holster in the IDPA world seems to be from Ready Tactical. www.pistolpacking.com

[MarkP]

Originally posted by GlockRacer
Anyone using the Kytac Sooper Hooper in IDPA SSP? I'm looking at this holster for my G34 in SSP. I'm going to try some USPSA matches as well this year, would it be a wise choice for both?

Thanks!

IIRC , Dave Sevigney used that rig to capture IDPA & IPSC titles.

[pstmstr]

I know David, the guy who makes Kytac. He has been very helpful in getting me started in IPSC and the holster he made for my 34 is great. I understand Dave Sevigny does use both the Kytac holster and mag holders for his production rig. Maybe I can shoot like him in a few hundred years.:)

[2cats]

I've had the super hooper for a couple three years now. I was just assuming that it was going to be illegal under the new rules, because it's designed to have an offsetting gap in the belt loop. Does anyone have any experience or knowlege as to whether this holster is making the cut in IDPA today?

[Glockmeister40]

I am not sure if the holster in question is legal or not myself. But the person to really answer that question is David himself as he is building them. You can reach him at Kytac@aol.com or go to his website at www.KyTac.com I am sure he can help you with the question.

[2cats]

Unfortunately, I think the person to answer that question is not Dave, but Bill Wilson.

[Glockmeister40]

I guess Bill does have the last word on what is legal but I figured that the man that was making the holsters may know wether they would be legal for IDPA or not. Also maybe he can make one a little different if he needed to to make it legal for IDPA as all of them are custom hand made.

[Speedrock]

David's already responded to that IDPA current "problem":

I guess you've heard about my IDPA legal version, which itself went thru 3-4 variations. I've settled on a Sooper Hooper w/ a close/tight belt loop that has "belt locking flanges" on it to hide the daylight, er, I mean, to lock the belt onto the holster better.....

Note from him last Sept., Re 'Hooper III

Have had 'Hoopers for both 1911 & P-35 for 5 yrs. and still favorite holsters for gun games. No problems with seeing "light of Day" thru belt loops at local Matches yet, either.

Only other Kydex will use is from Cen-Dex, especially their "Storm" with or without his "SD" belt plate. Makes very rigid platform.

www.cen-dex.com

[J.P.]

Originally posted by 2cats
Unfortunately, I think the person to answer that question is not Dave, but Bill Wilson.

Maybe Bill Wilson should check himself.
Anyone seen *his* gamer rig lately?

[SR_]

Originally posted by pstmstr
I understand Dave Sevigny does use both the Kytac holster and mag holders for his production rig.

I understand that Dave use to use both Kytac and Ready Tactical holsters but over the last few months has moved almost exclusivly to Ready Tactical.

[SR_]

Originally posted by J.P.
Maybe Bill Wilson should check himself.
Anyone seen *his* gamer rig lately?

Ok, I'll bite... got a picture or at least a description of what he's using?

[GlockRacer]

i'm still looking at the sooper hooper, waiting on a response from the company to an email. I did order a holster from pistolpacking.com though, can't wait to try it out!!! thanks for everyone's feedback!!!

[Jim Watson]

Good move. I ordered from KyTac in the early days of IDPA and never did get a holster from him. Early Ready Tac gear was a lot like KyTac but the styles have diverged as Chris got comfortable with holster design.

[SR_]

Hey, I talked with Chris Stewart of Ready Tactical. I think we need to stop telling people about his great holsters. ;)

His advertising is basically word of mouth and it must be working. When I ordered my first holster last fall it was made within a day or two. Then it went to about a week. Now folks I shoot with say it can be close to 3 weeks. I learned that he might not be able to make the holster I have on order until next week (within his original time estimate - I'm just spoiled by his previous faster turn times and had hoped I'd have it this week).

This is posting is not meant as a complaint - he's a great guy making a great product. It is however a heads up that his shipping times seem to be increasing as more folks hear about his great holsters.

He hand makes each one and has a few special things he does so he doesn't feel like he can easily teach someone/hire help.

oh well, I know it will get here and it's worth the wait!

[Jim Watson]

Yes, RTP is a is a one-man operation and Chris' son is not old enough to apprentice yet although he does contribute. The better the business, the worse the backlog now that he is doing it full time. I hope he can get over that hump and keep up with orders without cheapening his products.

[SR_]

Originally posted by Jim Watson
Yes, RTP is a is a one-man operation and Chris' son is not old enough to apprentice yet although he does contribute. The better the business, the worse the backlog now that he is doing it full time. I hope he can get over that hump and keep up with orders without cheapening his products.

I agree.

My guess is that we'll just see longer delivery times. Those willing to wait will get a great holster and those that can't wait will find another source.

I think it's a safe bet that he will NOT cheapen his product by rushing them out the door.

[J.P.]

Originally posted by SR_
Hey, I talked with Chris Stewart of Ready Tactical. I think we need to stop telling people about his great holsters.

DOH!
I've been pimping his gear all over the place. :supergrin:
Really good stuff!


I can't find that pic of BW with his mega gamer rig. LOL!
I thought it was in last years tac journal but I'm not seeing it.
Just ask anyone who's seen him shoot. :supergrin:

[Jim Watson]

Chris arrived at the IDPA Alabama State yesterday, tossing RTP holsters out the car window to customers waiting on them. Now that is customer service.

[breech]

I received an email back from Kytac last week. The current wait time for a SooperHooper is currently 4 weeks.

[hrminer92]

Originally posted by pstmstr
I know David, the guy who makes Kytac. He has been very helpful in getting me started in IPSC and the holster he made for my 34 is great. I understand Dave Sevigny does use both the Kytac holster and mag holders for his production rig. Maybe I can shoot like him in a few hundred years.:)

Does the Kytac guy answer his email?

When I ordered a holster from him, he said it would take 10 days. The 10 day mark passed a little more than two weeks ago and I've sent a couple emails asking for a status update about the order. No response. I can understand a delay because he's backordered, but at least respond and say that's the reason. I'd rather not get paypal involved if I don't have to.

[Glockmeister40]

I own quite a few holsters from him. and I will have to admit getting them can be somewhat slow at times as he is a very busy guy and all of his holsters are hand made by him. But the quality is nothing but the best!!! And that is why I use his stuff. I have learned to just order it and it will come eventually.:)

[Mayonaise]

I had bought a Kytac SuperHooper II a couple of years ago before the rule change. It was clearly illegal after the change and having had it only a couple of months I emailed him about it. He emailed me a rant about BW and said he would fix it for $20 since I just got it. A $60 holster now going to close to $100 with shipping back and forth. Plus the fix he planned was clearly still illegal by the rules. What a deal!

I will say that the Kytac was, by far, the best hand made kydex holster I had seen and owned and I've seen most of them out there over the years. His workmanship was superb. The fit and finish, top shelf. If I were USPSA/IPSC production shooter I'd have kept it. The attitude was a real turn off in trying to make the holster compliant so I opted to sell it. I replaced it with a Safariland 561 which has been one of my favorite holsters for a while. Yeah, kydex it slightly faster but I just liked the 561 for the ability to legally adjust the cant to my liking.

Chris' ReadyTac stuff is good stuff and well priced. He's a great supporter of the sport and I love his 1911 mag carriers.

[Speedrock]

"I will say that the Kytac was, by far, the best hand made kydex holster I had seen and owned and I've seen most of them out there over the years. His workmanship was superb. The fit and finish, top shelf."

Much Agree!

Luckily our Local Clubs aren't that picky about Kydex holsters unless they stick way out from the belt, etc.

If it comes down to it will take the heat gun to own "Illegal" 'Hooper and modify it! {fortunately it is not the clip-on belt style}

After all, its name came from all the hoops he had to "Jump" thru to keep it legal in the 1st. place.

[hrminer92]

Originally posted by Glockmeister40
I own quite a few holsters from him. and I will have to admit getting them can be somewhat slow at times as he is a very busy guy and all of his holsters are hand made by him. But the quality is nothing but the best!!! And that is why I use his stuff. I have learned to just order it and it will come eventually.:)
how long do you wait? I was originally told mine would be done in 10 days and the stupid thing still isn't here after 4 damn months.

:steamed:

[Glockmeister40]

4 months sounds about right I have never figured out why it takes so long to get a holster but David must be real busy

[dosei]

Yup, David's got a very large backlog of orders. He is also not very accurate at estimating lead time for a holster. I ordered a Braveheart on 04/22/06 and was told 2-4 weeks. Still waiting...

[dosei]

Update....
I just got the holster from KyTac on 08-14-06....just over 16 weeks after I placed the order.

[rhino465]

How do you like it?

[dosei]

Fit & finish are excellent. Much more comfortable than my C-TAC. The holster does not have a detent in the trigger guard area, so it does not "click" in & out of the holster but retension is still good. All in all, it is an extremely comfortable, concealable, and fast IWB holster. It is not "tuckable", but that is not a feature I was needing.

[J.P.]

I don't mind waiting on gear but I like to be told the truth,not "2 weeks"

Stories like that are the reason I don't use Kytac gear.
(misquoting the lead times)

FWIW,Ready Tactical looks like they are heading down the same path...

I guess it's time to invest in making my own Kydex gear.
I'm reasonably confident that I could do a better job than anything currently available.

[gary newport]

Originally posted by J.P.
I don't mind waiting on gear but I like to be told the truth,not "2 weeks"

Stories like that are the reason I don't use Kytac gear.
(misquoting the lead times)

FWIW,Ready Tactical looks like they are heading down the same path...

I guess it's time to invest in making my own Kydex gear.
I'm reasonably confident that I could do a better job than anything currently available.

Consider, J.P., if you DO succeed in doing "a better job than anything currently available", folks will want to buy your superior holsters. Pretty soon, you'll have a backlog of orders and it'll take MONTHS for someone to get a J.P. holster! ;)

(By the way, I just received my Ready Tactical G37 and G38 holsters and mag carriers. I am very pleased with them. It took about 3 1/2 months to get them.)

[Speedrock]

"Much more comfortable than my C-TAC. The holster does not have a detent in the trigger guard area, so it does not "click" in & out of the holster but retension is still good."

David's the one that invented the "outrigger" belt-loop for the BH, other makers knocked-off his genius.

Hes doesn't use the trig.-guard for gun retention as his holsters are hand moulded to a real pistola! {can see serial numer on one of mine..} It's two of the ways he gets fantastic speed and micro-adj. from his Kydex without just using the easy to do, big dimple for the trig-guard providing so-so draw speed even with an adj. screw.

Had to wait a too long time for mine also, but it's the same for any one-man custom shop vs. popularity. Agree that Makers should provide as close to an accurate build time as possible, however.

[rhino465]

Originally posted by dosei
Fit & finish are excellent. Much more comfortable than my C-TAC. The holster does not have a detent in the trigger guard area, so it does not "click" in & out of the holster but retension is still good. All in all, it is an extremely comfortable, concealable, and fast IWB holster. It is not "tuckable", but that is not a feature I was needing.

Ah-HAH! You got a BraveHeart.

In my opinion, it's the best IWB holster on the market.

Detents in the trigger guard are probably not a great idea for IWB holsters anyway. They're not necessary for retention and for some body shapes (like mine), they can result in the gun being locked in the holster so you can't draw it ... at all. It happened to me yesterday, in fact. Very embarrassing.

I prefer to have minimal tension on the gun in IWB holsters, as the way it sits inside your pants provides plenty of retention.

[dosei]

Originally posted by rhino465
Ah-HAH! You got a BraveHeart.

In my opinion, it's the best IWB holster on the market.

Detents in the trigger guard are probably not a great idea for IWB holsters anyway. They're not necessary for retention and for some body shapes (like mine), they can result in the gun being locked in the holster so you can't draw it ... at all. It happened to me yesterday, in fact. Very embarrassing.

I prefer to have minimal tension on the gun in IWB holsters, as the way it sits inside your pants provides plenty of retention.

The lack of a detent makes it one of the few (if not the only) kydex holsters that allow for a whisper quiet draw/re-holster.

[fwdave]

I have three KyTac holsters and I love them. I thought I would never want another brand

Then I ordered my fourth in May and I still dont have it. Four emails to Dave with no reply. Asked for a delivery date or a refund, still no reply

When I ordered it, I got an immediate reply to my email. Now that he has cashed my check, I cannot get a reply. I dont like his holsters well enough to be treated like this. I will not order another KyTac.

[J.P.]

Originally posted by gary newport
Consider, J.P., if you DO succeed in doing "a better job than anything currently available", folks will want to buy your superior holsters. Pretty soon, you'll have a backlog of orders and it'll take MONTHS for someone to get a J.P. holster! ;)

(By the way, I just received my Ready Tactical G37 and G38 holsters and mag carriers. I am very pleased with them. It took about 3 1/2 months to get them.)

I'm not looking to go into business,just to supply myself.

Myself and a couple of other locals are getting really disgrunteled with Ready tac as of late.
He has always delivered as promised until recently.

I was told I'd have my rig by 7/22.
nothing
I called and he said "sending it today"
nothing
I called and he said "sending it today"
nothing
nothing
I called and he said "It has been sent...you're really going to like this rig,J.P....etc."
nothing
I called and he said "I sent it out I'll call you back w/ the tracking number"
no call back
nothing
3-4 phone calls to him w/ no answer
unanswered emails.

Like I said,I don't mind waiting but I like upfront honesty which i feel I am not getting from Ready Tac.
Sad too because he was always a great guy and delivered as promised without any B.S.

Now,I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this but he's going to have to have one helluva excuse to cover this one.
JP

[rhino465]

If you don't get a response in e-mail, I recommend calling him on the telephone.

He really does make the best gear in the business.

[fwdave]

Originally posted by rhino465
If you don't get a response in e-mail, I recommend calling him on the telephone.

Joe...I have made a couple trys at reaching him by phone without success.

I guess I don't want to add phone tag to the frustration

[dosei]

Originally posted by fwdave
I have three KyTac holsters and I love them. I thought I would never want another brand

Then I ordered my fourth in May and I still dont have it. Four emails to Dave with no reply. Asked for a delivery date or a refund, still no reply

When I ordered it, I got an immediate reply to my email. Now that he has cashed my check, I cannot get a reply. I dont like his holsters well enough to be treated like this. I will not order another KyTac.

Try calling on Thursdays & Fridays between 4:30pm and 5:30pm Central Standard time.

[rhino465]

It probably doesn't help much to those who are having (or had) problems, but I've always had really good service from David E. In fact, he's gone to great lengths to help me when I've needed something.

I can understand the frustration, though, as I've had it with other merchants. I'd give the telephone another try or two, but that's just me talking.

[Jailer252]

Not for nothing I too waited, and waited for a holster from ky-tac. The holster arrived only after I had asked for a refund. There is a local guy who I shoot with who's kydex holsters are awsome. Do a search for TKW holsters. Tactical kydex weaponry. I think the TKW is better quality than the ky tac and its IDPA legal.

[hrminer92]

Originally posted by rhino465
If you don't get a response in e-mail, I recommend calling him on the telephone.

He really does make the best gear in the business.

He may make holsters better than God for all I care, I won't ever attempt to buy anything from him again. It's been SEVEN MONTHS since I paypal'ed him the money for a holster and it's as if he fell off the planet. No replies, no holster.

[Hozer]

I must just be lucky.

Everything I have ordered has shown up within a few weeks and is excellent quality.

Dave just needs a secratary so he can make holsters.

I also like Center of Mass Kydex. He makes some stuff Dave does not.