shows your RRA feed ramp.

[alexsig]

ok show those ramp.

[RMTactical]

Why? Do you have a beef with RRA over their feedramps or what?

[jonathon]

Some of them are supposed to look really hokey...

But, I've seen some factory Colt uppers that look really hokey too, but they run just fine.. :freak:

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by jonathon
Some of them are supposed to look really hokey...

I'm aware of that, but I haven't heard too much of a complaint on function...

[faawrenchbndr]

Here's mine,

Brand new unfired, Wilson .920 stainless narrel

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/RockRiver20Varmint001.jpg

[c4igrant]

Some of the RRA M4 cuts look like a 5yr old did them with a rat file. While I don't think it matters much in functionality, it sure does look like crap.


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[Stickman]

Originally posted by c4igrant
Some of the RRA M4 cuts look like a 5yr old did them with a rat file. While I don't think it matters much in functionality, it sure does look like crap.


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I can't figure why RRA continues to use a hand cut feedramp, especially when their supplier can give them the cutout uppers without any problem.

It has got to run them addtional time and money to cut through the anodizing and I think we've all seen some of the less than stellar jobs that have been done.

It doesn't make any sense that I can figure out aside from possibly a pride issue, or not wanting to upgrade/ fix some of the jobs they've done.

[c4igrant]

Originally posted by Stickman
I can't figure why RRA continues to use a hand cut feedramp, especially when their supplier can give them the cutout uppers without any problem.

It has got to run them addtional time and money to cut through the anodizing and I think we've all seen some of the less than stellar jobs that have been done.

It doesn't make any sense that I can figure out aside from possibly a pride issue, or not wanting to upgrade/ fix some of the jobs they've done.

Agree.




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[switch625]

Originally posted by Stickman

It doesn't make any sense that I can figure out aside from possibly a pride issue, or not wanting to upgrade/ fix some of the jobs they've done. This is BS and why I won't buy an RRA upper or reccomend them. Hell, I warn my friends and family about them. They need to get their Shiznit together.

[five-0]

To each his own, but my 16" RRA is the best AR I've ever owned or been issued.
Mine has about 2000 rounds through it with 0 malfunctions and is more accurate than my 20" Colt HBAR.
Based on performance (mine and others I've seen), I can't complain.


BTW...thumbs up to Grant @ GandR. All of the "stuff" I bolted on to my AR was bought from him. He not only gave me a great deal but took the time to give me plenty of info over the phone.

[c4igrant]

Originally posted by five-0
To each his own, but my 16" RRA is the best AR I've ever owned or been issued.
Mine has about 2000 rounds through it with 0 malfunctions and is more accurate than my 20" Colt HBAR.
I can't complain...
Best

What other AR's have you tried? BM? LMT? BCM? IMHO, there are better AR's (specifically uppers) out there for possibly less money.

Your Colt is most likely has a 1/7 twist barrel. It won't show its accuracy potential unless you are using heavier loads (like 77gr MK's).

Your RRA is a 1/9 twist and prefers 55gr ammo. So shooting 55gr in your Colt and finding that that the RRA is more accurate doesn't surprise me.

Also, barrel length has ZERO to do with accuracy.


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[five-0]

Originally posted by c4igrant
What other AR's have you tried? BM? LMT? BCM? IMHO, there are better AR's (specifically uppers) out there for possibly less money.

Your Colt is most likely has a 1/7 twist barrel. It won't show its accuracy potential unless you are using heavier loads (like 77gr MK's).

Your RRA is a 1/9 twist and prefers 55gr ammo. So shooting 55gr in your Colt and finding that that the RRA is more accurate doesn't surprise me.

Also, barrel length has ZERO to do with accuracy.


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Well...Bushy (multiple), DPMS, Colt (multiple), and RRA.
PERSONAL PREFERENCE, but I liked the RRA the best out of the examples I've tried. My opinion.

You're right about the twist rates and bullet weights. I used 55gr - 69gr. Still, doesn't change what I said based on MY experience (and the 69gr BT-JHP ammo gave the Colt a fair shake).

I mention barrel length for reference only.

Not trashing other makes and I've never had a "bad" AR, just relating my happiness with RRA.

[c4igrant]

Originally posted by five-0
Well...Bushy (multiple), DPMS, Colt (multiple), and RRA.
PERSONAL PREFERANCE, but I liked the RRA the best of the examples I've tried. My opinion.

You're right about the twist rates and bullet weights. I used 55gr - 69gr. Still, doesn't change what I said based on MY experience.

I mention barrel length for reference only.

Not trashing other makes and I've never had a "bad" AR, just relating my happiness with RRA.

Glad you are happy with it (as you paid for it). Mine and some of the others point was that they are not doing the best job they could and it makes their products look unprofessional.

To give you an example, a BCM upper with a MP/HPT, 1/7 5.56 NATO barrel, TRUE M4 barrel extension, M4 receiver with anodized M4 cuts, F marked FSB and test fired with 4 different types of ammo to gurantee relability for $399!!!


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[Razoreye]

Yeah... add bolt, BCG, CH, and handguards to that and you top well over 500. :frown:

[c4igrant]

Originally posted by Razoreye
Yeah... add bolt, BCG, CH, and handguards to that and you top well over 500. :frown:

This is true. You have to compare apples to apples though. BCM uppers are MUCH closer to say a Colt upper than a RRA upper. RRA is far from mil-spec as they don't HPT/MP test their barrels, don't use F marked FSB, don't HPT/MP test their bolts, don't use M4 cut receivers and they don't use 1/7 twist barrels.

Just so no one misunderstands what I am saying, RRA's are good AR's, but you cannot compare them against a Colt or other AR company that closely follow the Mil-Standard.


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[switch625]

Grant, have those in a midlength? Profile? If so, what am I looking at with b/c/ch?

[c4igrant]

Originally posted by switch625
Grant, have those in a midlength? Profile? If so, what am I looking at with b/c/ch?

All out. Next BCM's coming in are 14.5's and 11.5's. I do have BCM Middy barrels though. They don't have FSB's and meant for custom builds with FF rails and low profile gas blocks.


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[switch625]

When do you think you'll get more and how much?

[c4igrant]

Originally posted by switch625
When do you think you'll get more and how much?

I am sad to say that they are more than a month out.


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[Army of Juan]

Originally posted by c4igrant
All out. Next BCM's coming in are 14.5's and 11.5's. I do have BCM Middy barrels though. They don't have FSB's and meant for custom builds with FF rails and low profile gas blocks.


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Are the 14.5" due in a month also? Can you perm. attach a phantom if need be?

[c4igrant]

Originally posted by Army of Juan
Are the 14.5" due in a month also? Can you perm. attach a phantom if need be?

They are only a couple weeks out. I do not Perm. attach FS's, but can recommend some people that do.


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[Skintop911]

+1 on the BCM recommendations. Good stuff.

[Razoreye]

Originally posted by c4igrant
This is true. You have to compare apples to apples though. BCM uppers are MUCH closer to say a Colt upper than a RRA upper. RRA is far from mil-spec as they don't HPT/MP test their barrels, don't use F marked FSB, don't HPT/MP test their bolts, don't use M4 cut receivers and they don't use 1/7 twist barrels.

Just so no one misunderstands what I am saying, RRA's are good AR's, but you cannot compare them against a Colt or other AR company that closely follow the Mil-Standard.


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I realize that. I'll probably end up going Stag/LMT/BCM. If I do so on the latter I plan on buying from you!!

Do you sell the extra parts for the upper seperately and are different brands compatible?

[c4igrant]

Originally posted by Razoreye
I realize that. I'll probably end up going Stag/LMT/BCM. If I do so on the latter I plan on buying from you!!

Do you sell the extra parts for the upper seperately and are different brands compatible?

All three of those choices are good with BCM being the best IMHO.

I do sell the extra parts and pieces and also offer free installation of rail systems.


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[ColSanders]

What does it matter as long as they work?

[Veritas]

Originally posted by ColSanders
What does it matter as long as they work?

Agreed.

I surf a lot of forums, I have never seen a first hand account of RRA feed ramps causing problems. In fact RRA ar-15s seem to enjoy an extreamly good reputation for reliability.

Complain about looks all you want, runs like a swiss clock ;)

[c4igrant]

Originally posted by Veritas
Agreed.

I surf a lot of forums, I have never seen a first hand account of RRA feed ramps causing problems. In fact RRA ar-15s seem to enjoy an extreamly good reputation for reliability.

Complain about looks all you want, runs like a swiss clock ;)

Actually there are threads about this very subject on ARFCOM all the time. The main question that can't seem to be answered is why? They can buy upper receivers with anodized cuts in them all day long from the supplier that they buy all their other parts from! :freak:

M4 feed ramps really don't have any thing to do with a semi-auto AR's reliability. There are meant to help with the cavitation (sp?) on the last couple of round during FA.

I think it would be better for RRA to not do them at all, as it looks half ass IMHO.



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[Veritas]

Originally posted by c4igrant
Actually there are threads about this very subject on ARFCOM all the time. C4

I repeat. I have never seen a thread that was a first hand acccount of the RRA feed ramp causing a failure to feed.

Yes, the general topic may come up, I have seen that ;) It's an awful lot of discussion about a non-issue. Whatever RRA is doing, RRAs rifles simply seem to work great... and for far less money than a Colt so kudos to'em for making a good product.

[c4igrant]

Originally posted by Veritas
I repeat. I have never seen a thread that was a first hand acccount of the RRA feed ramp causing a failure to feed.

Yes, the general topic may come up, I have seen that ;) It's an awful lot of discussion about a non-issue. Whatever RRA is doing, RRAs rifles simply seem to work great... and for far less money than a Colt so kudos to'em for making a good product.

You are correct, their bastardized feed ramps have most likely never caused a failure. RRA AR's though have issues all time that DO result in failures to function.


There products are cheaper than Colt, but are not the same quality and do not come any where near the mil-standard. I will agree that they are a pretty good tier 2 manufacturer.



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[Skintop911]

Cutting corners somewhere always begs the question of what corners are cut elsewhere.

[crowkiller]

Originally posted by Skintop911
Cutting corners somewhere always begs the question of what corners are cut elsewhere.
Exactly what I was thinking.

[strack350]

You are correct, their bastardized feed ramps have most likely never caused a failure. RRA AR's though have issues all time that DO result in failures to function. If you don't mind, would you tell me exactly what these issues are???? I recently purchased a RRA rifle and am currently waiting on it to arrive. Have you ever shot one? I'm just curious as to what the issues are. Thanks:)

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by strack350
If you don't mind, would you tell me exactly what these issues are???? I recently purchased a RRA rifle and am currently waiting on it to arrive. Have you ever shot one? I'm just curious as to what the issues are. Thanks:)

There's no issue. Some folks really get upset over the "butchered" or "monkey dremeled" feedramps, but they are just fine. In fact, it's those "monkey dremeled" feedramps that most likely caused the RRA rifles to be the best in the DEA carbine selection process.

Do I think it's silly that they do their feedramps like that? Sure. Does it really matter in the end? I doubt it.

Basically, what I am saying is your rifle should exceed your expectations, and I have no doubt it will be a very reliable, well-made, quality weapon!

Keep in mind, I don't even care for RRA barrels or even buying an AR NIB already assembled for me. I prefer to build my own. Probably doesn't make much difference but that's just what I like.

[strack350]

Whewwww there for a second I thought maybe I was wating for a hunk of junk to come in.:shocked: , It's good to hear that they are solid rifles. I also agree that from the pictures of their feed ramps they could be better, but as long as it works reliably I'm fine with it. Thanks again for answering my questions :beer: :)

[c4igrant]

Originally posted by strack350
If you don't mind, would you tell me exactly what these issues are???? I recently purchased a RRA rifle and am currently waiting on it to arrive. Have you ever shot one? I'm just curious as to what the issues are. Thanks:)

Issues are normal from time to time with AR Manufacturers. RRA is no different and puts out lemons all the time. My comments were directed to the folks in this post that believe that RRA makes perfect AR's that never run into issues.

I am sure you new RRA will work just fine.



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[c4igrant]

Originally posted by GoreLicks
There's no issue. Some folks really get upset over the "butchered" or "monkey dremeled" feedramps, but they are just fine. In fact, it's those "monkey dremeled" feedramps that most likely caused the RRA rifles to be the best in the DEA carbine selection process.

Do I think it's silly that they do their feedramps like that? Sure. Does it really matter in the end? I doubt it.

Basically, what I am saying is your rifle should exceed your expectations, and I have no doubt it will be a very reliable, well-made, quality weapon!

Keep in mind, I don't even care for RRA barrels or even buying an AR NIB already assembled for me. I prefer to build my own. Probably doesn't make much difference but that's just what I like.

I would have to disagree with you statement that RRA did the best because of their half assed feed ramps. No one in the right mind would pick a weapon because of that. Remember as well that the Govt. tends to go with the lowest bidder.

Agree on the building your own. It is fun to mix and match components that you like.


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[RMTactical]

Originally posted by c4igrant
I would have to disagree with you statement that RRA did the best because of their half assed feed ramps. No one in the right mind would pick a weapon because of that. Remember as well that the Govt. tends to go with the lowest bidder.


That was the general concensus on AR15.com. That since the Colt had "M4" feedramps and "was made to feed military type ammo (FMJ)" that is why it choked. The RRA fed the BSP's better than the Colt because they never required a "do-over".

That's the only reason I said that. I'm sure it's debateable, but it sounds believable to me.

I've only seen/shot a couple RRA rifles that came stock NIB and they were excellect rifles. I have used several RRA components in my builds and they are comparable in quality to the parts I have used by any other builder that I consider to be decent. Colt, Bushmaster, CMT/Stag, and some DPMS parts. They all seem excellent to me. I can't think of a problem I have ever had with a RRA component, although I am sure they have sold some bad ones, I've just never seen them in the 30 or so builds I have done.