Need information on DPS

[michael t]

Ok I know little of these rifles. I was looking at a DPS I belive name on tag It was a flat top and had a 16"? bull barrel. Dealer wanted 675 for it. I carried a M16 seemed funny to shoulder one with no carry handle or sights . Can somebody tell me about this rifle. What brand and type of scope. would you use. My old WWII m-1 carbine has served well but I can get ammo in 5.56 a lot cheaper I know I can get him to come down some on the price as I one of his gun a month members.

[MrMurphy]

It's DPMS.

Decent brand.

You don't necessarily need to scope it, you can put a flip up iron sight for the same sight picture as the M16 and figure out a scope later.

For basic plinking a 1-3X or 3-9X or even a 2-7 would be fine.

For tactical use, military standard is the Aimpoint Comp M2, called the M68 CCO (Close Combat Optic), with a flipup rear sight behind it if it goes down. Also in use is the 4X ACOG by the Marines, and the Eotech holographic sight.


The one in this pic is the Aimpoint.

[michael t]

Thanks for correcting me on the make . It was one of those quick look deals This weapon has no sights front or rear , a bull barrel and no flash supresser. Just looking at present and trying to gain a little knowledge I carried a M-16 and was never real fond of it. I perfered my M-14 or when flying the M-1 carbine.

[MrMurphy]

Sounds like one of their match rifles.

You can put a flip up front on it as well.

As you can see in the pic, i carry the M4. I don't have any problem with the weapon, yeah, M14s are nice but for what I do, not practical.

www.dpms.com should bring up their website I believe, they make a LOT of different models.

I'd prefer a Bushmaster or Rock River Arms first, but that's me.

[Rob96]

I have experience with a DPMS Classic Sixteen and two of their M4 models. All 3 were/are great guns. Reliable and accurate. As for optics, like Murph said, you would be well served by a 1x-3x or 3x-9x scope. Something from Leuipold or Weaver would be nice without braking the bank. As for red dots you can go with the standard Aimpoint or go with waht the new SOPMOD kist has and get the EOTECH. Word I get from the sandbox is that the EOTECH is working better than the Aimpoint.

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by Rob96
Word I get from the sandbox is that the EOTECH is working better than the Aimpoint.

I've heard just the opposite. The Aimpoint is more robust IMO. There are a lot more Aimpoints in use vs. Eotechs in the sandbox.

Not that it matters all that much. I think you're well served by both but my preference is for the Aimpoint.

[Rob96]

Originally posted by GoreLicks
I've heard just the opposite. The Aimpoint is more robust IMO. There are a lot more Aimpoints in use vs. Eotechs in the sandbox.

Not that it matters all that much. I think you're well served by both but my preference is for the Aimpoint.

The Aimpoints are being issued en masse to conventional forces. Eotech are being phased in to Navy EOD and SOCOM. Word I got came from someone in SOCOM, and why they did/are doing the switch to EOTECH. Have seen a lot of references that the Aimpoint has a problem with vibrations.

[Alwood]

Originally posted by Rob96
The Aimpoints are being issued en masse to conventional forces. Eotech are being phased in to Navy EOD and SOCOM. Word I got came from someone in SOCOM, and why they did/are doing the switch to EOTECH. Have seen a lot of references that the Aimpoint has a problem with vibrations.

i'm finding this very hard to believe

[Rob96]

Originally posted by Alwood
i'm finding this very hard to believe

You can choose to believe me or not. Just relaying what was told to me. And with where he works, I believe it. Also if you go over to ARFCOM, you will see a couple of posts on the Navy CQBR and a sticky on the Block 2 enhancements of the SOPMOD kit. Aimpoints are out, Eotechs are in.

[Rob96]

Special ops weapons upgrade kit in sight

SCOTT GOURLEY JDW Correspondent
California

• Under the SOPMOD programme, the sighting systems for the M4A1 weapon used by US special forces (SF) are being replaced with smaller, lighter systems
• One particular 'holographic weapon sight' made by EOTech has proved so popular that SF operators are buying them with their own money

A package of upgrades is emerging for the United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) Special Operations Peculiar Modification (SOPMOD) weapon enhancement programme.

The SOPMOD programme allows special operations personnel from multiple services to tailor the sighting and engagement capabilities of their individual 5.56mm M4A1/Mk 18 Mod 0 series combat weapons to meet specific mission needs through the addition of subsystems on multiple weapon mounting rails.

According to Michael Jones, SOPMOD Assistant Program Manager at the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division, the new upgrade components are being packaged as a 'Block 2' enhancement to the existing SOPMOD 'Block 1' kits.

"The SOPMOD 'Block 1' kit provided a visible flashlight, scope, a PEQ-2 and PEQ-5 laser [aiming device], a reflex sight and PVS-17 night-vision scope," he explained. "What we're doing now is upgrading and replacing many of those components."

The 'Block 2' kit, for example, will replace the existing 'Block 1' Trijicon ACOG sight with a new SU-230/PVS sight that will offer improved colour and light gathering ability and have an additional "quick look" sight on top to allow rapid "instinctive" target engagement at close range.

As JDW went to press SOPMOD programme representatives were in the final stages of selection between two different 'Block 2' sight options, with the possibility of two contract awards with unit flexibility to request the specific sight they desire.

Jones added that the SOPMOD 'Block 1' reflex sight would also be replaced with a new "holographic weapon sight" made by EOTech.

"This is a really popular sight," he said. "A lot of guys over [in theatre] are buying these with their own money because they are such a good CQB [close quarter battle] sight. You keep both eyes open, bring it up, and as long as you can see the holograph it's going to hit where that holograph is. There's no parallax involved in the sighting."

A new AN/PAS-24 image intensification device and SU-232/PAS thermal weapon sight will also be included in the 'Block 2' SOPMOD kit.

"The thermal sight is also a nice tracking device and it has decent battery life of about six hours," Jones said.

"Most thermal sights are heavy and use liquid nitrogen to cool them but this is one of the first uncooled thermal sights. It's a good piece of gear that can be bolted on in front of your scope, where it has good enough resolution that you can use it to engage targets out to 400 m."

A single LA-5/PEQ Advanced Targeting and Pointing Illuminating Aiming Laser (ATPIAL), from Insight Technologies, will also replace both PEQ-2 and PEQ-5 aiming lasers in a new, miniaturized package.

"It's replaced two bigger pieces of gear with one item that has a combined control that you can operate with touch pads," Jones said. "And we're eventually going to integrate those into our weapon grips."

A new SU-233/PVS visible aiming light will also replace two larger lights used in the current 'Block 1' kit.

Jones said that some SOPMOD 'Block 1' components would return in the 'Block 2' package, including a suppressor from Knight's Armament Company.

"The guys like them," he said. "The suppressors are nice enough that we can refurbish them. We bring them back in, use ultrasonic cleaning to remove all the deposits, and send them back out."

Acknowledging the continuing competition in sights, he added that programme plans call for fielding the SOPMOD 'Block 2' package later this year. "The final tweaks are being made to everything and we hope to have them in the field by the end of Fiscal Year 2006," he said.

"Mostly they are just minor tweaks to make the systems more ruggedised. We haven't run into any 'show stoppers' on any of our items because when we originally specified them to industry we told them what we wanted the items to do, how small they had to be and how much they had to weigh. And they followed our guidance."

Representatives at the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division, are making final adjustments to the Special Operations Peculiar Modification Block 2 kit"
(Source: S Gourley/Jane's)

[Rob96]

Just to add. I don't really care what they use. Use whatever works for you. It also seems that set ups with 1x-4x scopes from S&B and Nightforce are gathering favorable remarks from operators that are using them. For me, that would work better that a red dot or holograph. There are also some guys running around over there with 1x-4x Leupold shotgun scopes on their rigs. Again, use what works for you.;)