PM9 Quality Control

[steve86]

Recently got my PM9, have not had it to the range yet but am wondering if I should send it back to Kahr first. The slide has machine mark circles in it. The polymer frame on top where the slides rides on seems to have metal flecks in it & the polymer where the slide rides is very rough. Attached is some pictures of the front & rear of slide.

[steve86]

second picture

[Dandapani]

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Ok, I got that out of my system.

They won't fix the machine marks. The polymer will clean up after breaking it in. Shoot it 200 rounds or more before deciding what to do.

[night]

Hard to tell. Can you maybe post some bigger pictures?:clown:

Seriously, the circles are apparently now considered acceptable by Kahr, because that's what I've seen on most NIB Kahrs lately. My 2 cents - the PM9 is a shooter, not a looker; if it shoots reliably and accurately for 1000 rounds or so, keep it.

[register]

Seriously, the circles are apparently now considered acceptable by Kahr, because that's what I've seen on most NIB Kahrs lately. My 2 cents - the PM9 is a shooter, not a looker; if it shoots reliably and accurately for 1000 rounds or so, keep it. [/B]

WOW Kahr owners pay top dollar and Kahr excepts second rate machine work, I am going to hold out on my Kahr purchase to see how things pan out with this company. Personally I would take it back to the dealer and get a refund. Kahr in my book is supposed to be a cut above the rest. Thats what you pay the premium price for. If there purchasers accept this kind of work the will continue to produce it.

[MtnDewd]

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I agree that if the consumer keeps accepting sloppy machine work, Kahr will keep shipping it out. Although the machine marks on the inside of the slide shouldn't compromise the function, for the premium price of a Kahr pistol we should get better! I have owned much cheaper pistols that didn't look as rough on the inside as shown in steve86's pics. This is a quote taken from Kahr's webpage:
"With the objective of excellence in workmanship and material, Kahr does not compromise either in the designing or the manufacturing of the pistol. The most advanced computer applications and precise manufacturing technologies have been implemented to provide the finest compact pistol. Uniquely designed and fine tooled..."
Excellence in workmanship? Fine tooled? Kahr does not compromise in the manufacturing? I wonder what happened to steve86's pistol (and many others out there)?
I was talking to Dottie at Kahr a while back about a defective T9 I had to send back, and she mentioned to me that they had about 3.5 million dollars in back orders right now. I believe they are strictly going for quantity and letting the quality suffer. I think that kind of mentality will hurt them in the end. I own (3) Kahrs. A PM9, MK9 Elite, and an old nickel K9. By the way, the old nickel K9 manufactured in 1996 is a finely crafted pistol. A fine example of the gunmanker's art. No ugly tool marks on it! At this point I'm undecided on whether or not I'd buy another Kahr, or even recommend one to someone. Just my humble opinion.

MtnDewd

[Diogenes]

I could be wrong, but the only areas of contact should be the metal inserts imbedded in the front dust cover area of the polymer slide, the metal insert flat pieces on the back portion of the slide and the part that rubs against protruding part of the slide (don't know the technical name) in the middle-back portion of the slide. I don't think the polymer portion touches/rubs against the metal. And, I think the machine marks will not touch/rub against metal parts. Thus, I think the circular machine marks are cosmetic in a part of the gun that is only seen when disassembled. Don't know why the polymer portion seems rough. Both of mine are smooth.

[kahrak]

Wow, mine has machine marks but not that deep. Kahr needs to slow down their mills and invest in some sharp tools.

[steve86]

On mine the middle of the pistol the slide is rubbing against the polymer. Also on the left side of the front rail the metal imbedded has a chip in it. This is my 4th Kahr & my last. Have an MK0, MK40, P45 besides the PM9 & none are like the PM9. Also on the PM9 looking down at the polymer frame where the rais are imbedded the polymer is bulged outward.

[BarkinDog]

Also on the left side of the front rail the metal imbedded has a chip in it. That's supposed to be there. I don't remember why it's there but it's not a defect.

[00Spy]

Steve86, you are funny!!! The original blurry picture is obviously not of a PM9. I see that kind of milling in Colt 1911s! Kahr would not be reduced to Colt 1911 quality, would they?

FYI, I love 1911s and I do like Colts, usually those that are at least 30 years old. I think they stopped sharpening their 1911 metalwork tools in the 1970s.

[Diogenes]

Originally posted by steve86
Also on the PM9 looking down at the polymer frame where the rais are imbedded the polymer is bulged outward.

Don't worry about the bulge. Both of mine have it around the dust cover area where the metal guide slats are located -- it is normal. Also, some knowledgable members posted a long time ago that if the polymer was touching, it would soon wear away with no adverse side affects. If the gun shoots well, and with no FTE's or FTB's or FT's of any sort, it is fine.