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tyesai
05-09-2006, 16:01
What I’ve learned during my deployment:
1. Except for the Air Force, the military draft never ended following the Vietnam War. Members of the other U.S. Armed Services were forced to enlist. How else can you explain why Soldiers, Marines and Sailors are so upset that Airmen are treated so well? They obviously would have been smart enough to join the Air Force, too, had they had a choice. That damn draft!

2. When a Soldier or Marine asks how long your deployment is, it is not appropriate for an Airman to answer: “Six months sucker!”

3. You have to admire Soldiers and Marines for spending an entire year away from their families. But after hearing their constant complaints about Airmen deploying for only four months or six months, it gets real old, real fast. Here are a couple of my favorite comebacks when asked why Airmen have shorter deployments: “Because an Airman can do the same job in half the time,” or, “We get six months off for good behavior,” or, when they catch me in an especially rotten mood, “You joined the wrong service dumb ass, get over it already,” or “Your wife’s fat and ugly, are you gonna blame me for that, too?”

4. “Joint operations” would run so much smoother if you removed “the few and the proud,” “an organization of one” and anything that “runs deep.”

5. That little pocket on the side of the new Air Force PT shorts is a great place for my lighter! They need to give me a bigger one of the other side so I don’t have to carry my cigarettes while I’m jogging.

6. The requirement to wear either the Desert Combat Uniform or the Air Force physical fitness uniform in a deployed environment is a conspiracy by senior officers who want to get saluted on and off duty.

7. Many male service members are issued beer goggles in their deployment gear.

8. No matter how much you try to rationalize it when you get home, you still nailed an ugly chick while you were deployed … and then bragged about it.

9. In some strange way, having access to a Burger King, a Baskin Robbins and a specialty coffee shop makes up for all the mortar and rocket attacks.

10. During daylight hours, U.S. Army helicopters are technologically
advanced, highly tuned killing machines; when they’re screaming over your hooch at 1 a.m., 2 a.m. and again at 3:30 a.m., they turn into annoyingly loud, supped-up lawnmowers.

11. Military leaders decided to protect deployed service members from dangerous insect-borne diseases by having them dowse their combat uniforms with a highly concentrated insect repellant. Unfortunately, most of the insects come out at night when military members are wearing their unprotected fitness uniforms. Yeah, a lot of thought when into that one.

12. Between maintenance delays, passenger terminal problems and other miscellaneous blunders, a seven-hour flight from Baltimore to Ramstein Air Base, Germany, is actually less attractive than a 14-hour-long dental procedure.

13. Female service members – no matter where they rank on the evolutionary chain -- are always the center of attention in a deployed environment.

14. A female service member’s self esteem becomes noticeably higher the closer they are to a deployed environment.

15. The “e” in Army stands for “efficiency.”

16. Some Soldiers who read this might feel good about No. 15, so let me clarify … it’s spelled A-R-M-Y, not A-R-M-E-E.

17. When an Army or Marine Corps officer makes a bad decision, he will not admit it. Instead, he immediately changes the policy so that it mirrors his bad decision, thus making his decision correct.

mappleby285
05-09-2006, 16:07
Nice list. I have no doubt in my mind I joined the right branch. :patriot:

USMC03Grunt
05-09-2006, 18:16
Well, being a prior Marine, let me ask you this; Got your new ABU cammies yet?:uglylol: :rofl: :animlol: :laughing:

tyesai
05-09-2006, 18:44
Originally posted by USMC03Grunt
Well, being a prior Marine, let me ask you this; Got your new ABU cammies yet?:uglylol: :rofl: :animlol: :laughing:

They aren't as gay as what they were trying to push down our throats.

Get it, gay, push down our throats.:supergrin:

At least we run now instead of riding a bike. We have to do push ups and sit-ups too. That further legatimizes us as the "real military"

Last thing, thanks Marine. I have lots of family that is in Corp or retired so don't look to me for a bashing. At least not a hard one.

I have more fun making fun of LT's and aircrew. I hate them both. God help you if you are a LT and aircrew. I will talk never ending crap behind your back and occasionally to your face. That is the Fair Force way.

mappleby285
05-10-2006, 10:37
What about those of us who will be an LT soon but aren't yet? Do I get a reprive from your talking crap until I commission? :cool:

meeko
05-10-2006, 13:45
Being a 20 plus year member of the USAF and ANG I'll have to admit you left one out.

The Air Force 58 years untouched by tradition.

Sometimes I think I joined the wrong branch or at least career field. AF Security Forces are their own worst enemy not to mention the biggest micro managers IMHO.

tyesai
05-10-2006, 15:36
Originally posted by mappleby285
What about those of us who will be an LT soon but aren't yet? Do I get a reprive from your talking crap until I commission? :cool:

Absolutly, after you get your holy blessing it is on.:supergrin: :beer:

tyesai
05-10-2006, 15:41
Originally posted by meeko
Being a 20 plus year member of the USAF and ANG I'll have to admit you left one out.

The Air Force 58 years untouched by tradition.

Sometimes I think I joined the wrong branch or at least career field. AF Security Forces are their own worst enemy not to mention the biggest micro managers IMHO.

We have tradition, back stabbing, tattle telling, constant change of uniforms, and Micro management.

EODLRD
05-10-2006, 17:04
Originally posted by tyesai

I have more fun making fun of LT's and aircrew. I hate them both. God help you if you are a LT and aircrew. I will talk never ending crap behind your back and occasionally to your face. That is the Fair Force way.

tyesai,

It is fun making fun of the high paid glorified Airman Basics with college isn't it? :whip: :cool:

BTW, what's your job?

tyesai
05-10-2006, 17:55
Originally posted by USAF3E
tyesai,

It is fun making fun of the high paid glorified Airman Basics with college isn't it? :whip: :cool:

BTW, what's your job?

Crew Chief, C-130 type. Mostly backshop Aero Repair, with some flight line and Iso experience. Right now I am a glorified baby sitter doing instructor duty.

Good job although sometimes it can be frustrating to the ninth degree, like my current class. Mostly smart Airmen that either didn't want to be maintence, or lacksidasical (spelling?) or little sleepy heads. All I due is hollar/correct them for messing up the simplest things, like being on time, staying awake, blahblahblah. Sometimes you get a class that kicks butt and is highly motivated *** kickers. That is when it can be truly fun.

Not all LT's are bad, but you can definetly pick out the NewB.

EODLRD
05-11-2006, 18:44
That's Cool.:cool:

I've beem thinking about putting an instructor package in myself. I just haven't gotten around to looking into it yet.

I hadn't thought about the unmotivated ones that may come through. Well, I guess that would be the one good thing about going to instructor duty for my job (EOD), they kick those ones out of school. :)

tyesai
05-11-2006, 19:00
Originally posted by USAF3E
That's Cool.:cool:

I've beem thinking about putting an instructor package in myself. I just haven't gotten around to looking into it yet.

I hadn't thought about the unmotivated ones that may come through. Well, I guess that would be the one good thing about going to instructor duty for my job (EOD), they kick those ones out of school. :)

How do you like EOD? Are you gone alot? They offered me that when I came in along things like NDI and PMEL, I did real well on the electronic portion of the ASVAB, but I wanted to work ON the airplanes. If I would have known then what I know now I would have snagged up PMEL or NDI.

Oh well, I like being a crew chief. It is easy enough. EOD I considered briefly, then decided I would rather not mess around with bombs. Knowing how safety conscious the military is now I may have made a different decision then.

As far as the instructor thing goes, it is probably one of the best jobs I have had. Like I said, it can be frustrating, but life really couldn't get easier.

G19Tony
05-18-2006, 21:11
Originally posted by tyesai
They aren't as gay as what they were trying to push down our throats.

Get it, gay, push down our throats.:supergrin:

At least we run now instead of riding a bike. We have to do push ups and sit-ups too. That further legatimizes us as the "real military"

Last thing, thanks Marine. I have lots of family that is in Corp or retired so don't look to me for a bashing. At least not a hard one.

I have more fun making fun of LT's and aircrew. I hate them both. God help you if you are a LT and aircrew. I will talk never ending crap behind your back and occasionally to your face. That is the Fair Force way.

I'm sorry you hate aircrew. Did you wash out of FE school or something? After 8 years in Weapons, I was a C-141 FE for 12. I enjoyed having highly educated pilots fly me around from beer party to beer party. We could usually get them to buy too. Maybe that C-130 thing is getting you down. You know what they say... Props are for boats. :supergrin: :clown: :joker: :patriot:

BocaGlock
05-23-2006, 23:54
What I recall...

"This isn't the REAL Air Force"--always seemed that the current assignment wasn't like the rest of the Air Force

"My next assignment will be better"--never, usually the same game with a different name unless one was stuck at a remote in Alaska

with shoulders shrugged "I don't know"--the universal airmens' response

"Keep your roots planted in a pot"--don't get settled in one place, new orders are on the way

"Pencil pushers and desk jockies congregate in room 143"---aka, the crapper

Blitzer
05-24-2006, 00:28
I spent four glorious years as an Air Force 303x2, Search and Traffic control RADAR, AWACS's little ground based brother.

It was like the Boys Scouts without the adult supervison.

:upeyes: :freak: :steamed: :director: :help: :burn: :moonie: :shy: :toilet: :puking: :tinfoil: :brickwall: :animlol:

jackb
05-29-2006, 04:57
"This isn't the REAL Air Force"--always seemed that the current assignment wasn't like the rest of the Air Force
"My next assignment will be better"--never, usually the same game with a different name unless one was stuck at a remote in Alaska


The two best bases in the AF are the one you came from and the one you're going to.

I'm stationed at Eielson now. The town of Fairbanks is about 25 miles from the base, and the next closest city is Anchorage, about an 8 hour drive away. One movie theatre, -50 for eight months of the year, 20+ hours of darkeness in the winter...and believe it or not, I enjoy this base more than nay other I've been to.

Supercub
05-29-2006, 05:55
AIR FORCE????

Let me tell you a short story. Many many moons ago I spent some time at the behest of the U. S. Army. After training I was assined to a boat that would take me to Germany. I missed the boat!!! Another whole story. How do you miss your boat? I'll tell you sometime.

Anyway, I end up at Westover Air Foce base in Massachusetts. I am delivered very nicely to Germany via a Constellation. Most beautiful plane ever designed. Hell, I bet half of you current AF guys never even heard of a Connie. If you old timers appreciate the Connie, Talk to me!

After serving my time in "The Land of The Paper Nickel", (that ring any bells with you old timers?) I'm scheduled to return on a troop ship. Now I got this problem, see? I get terribly seasick and I'd been in this man's army long enough to know that you have to be proactive if you want things to go your way. No way am I going home on a troop ship!

So, I get this paper from from a medic that says that "this man is unable to go on a ship due to some kind of terrible medical condition". Bear in mind I don't even have a single stripe. I did have one, but lost it. Another interesting story. Got a Good Conduct medal though. Go figure.

Anyway, I'm waving my medical paper around and not having much luck. My last hope was an old sergeant who looked at my paper, put it in his pocket, and told me to get back in line. Sheeeeit!

Anyway, this boat looked pretty big in the harbor. Out in the ocean it was like a little cork. Man, was I sick! If there had been a road, I would have gladly walked. I was too damned sick to die. Absolutely horrible. How in the hell do you Navy guys stand it?

So, that is why I love the Air Force!

I even got interested in flying ultralight aircraft around low and slow putting along at 70 mph. Airsick? Not as long as I have the stick.

Thanks for letting an old fart ramble on.

army_eod
05-29-2006, 06:23
The AF isn't really a military organization.

They are a something to put up with. You guys have become oblolete since the Cold War ended.

I worked with an AF LTC in the CENTCOM Op Center. He was a missile officer. He complained(whined)that the command was run by an Army officer (Abizaid). I reminded him that though this is a joint operation, most of the effort is Army and Marine. Also reminded him most of the casualties are also Army and Marine. I may remind you that the Marines and Navy also fly airplanes.

Some AF guys have been re-tasked to provide some convoy security in Iraq. Talk about whining!

jackb
05-29-2006, 07:37
You guys have become oblolete since the Cold War ended.
I completely agree. I would like nothing more than us becoming an Army Air Corps again. Hell, I'm an A-10 Crew Chief. Everything I do has zero effect on the AF, but makes a world of difference for the Army.

army_eod
05-29-2006, 07:54
Originally posted by jackb
I completely agree. I would like nothing more than us becoming an Army Air Corps again. Hell, I'm an A-10 Crew Chief. Everything I do has zero effect on the AF, but makes a world of difference for the Army.

And as for the Warthog guys...thanks for the CAS. I know the AF didn't want the mission and the Army almost inherited the A-10s. Dynamite airplane.

As you know, we love the Warthog.

AFCRNA
06-03-2006, 08:37
Having been prior Army and current USAF there's pros and cons for both.

-One thing I definitely miss is in the Army when you are told to do something, you do it without whining our quibbling. When an airman (regardless of rank) is told to do something, they piss and moan about it forever.

-I joined the military to serve the country and it's freedoms. This includes deployments. I 've done 2 to Iraq and I must say that I'd do it again in a heart beat. Being married with children, 4 month deployments are a plus. The army deploys anywhere from 12-18 months, which can be hard on the family.

-One big positive is that the Air Force pays for your schooling. They paid for half of my undergrad degree and are sending me to school for my Master's degree.

-Being an officer, I respect the enlisted folks. This comes from my Army time. Enlisted folk turn the military wheels. The last thing you want to do is come into a unit as a butter bar and rub the enlisted folk the wrong way. They are a valuable resource and can either make your job very easy or very difficult. Don't piss 'em off.

-Finally, I have no time for current active duty air force people who slam the air force. We didn't force you to join, so stop bad mouthing or get out. If you don't like the uniforms, micro management, or something else, try to change it for the better. If not, shut up and color. You signed on the line and swore the oath, so quit your quibbling.

jackb
06-04-2006, 10:27
-One thing I definitely miss is in the Army when you are told to do something, you do it without whining our quibbling. When an airman (regardless of rank) is told to do something, they piss and moan about it forever.

Airmen leave basic training giving absolutely zero lip. If an Airman is giving lip, they have picked this up since they have been in the operational AF. Somewhere along the line they did it and it was not corrected, and it spreads. But it's not a permanant change, they can be fixed after they get mouthy. I tell you what, I'm a crew chief, and it's a very casual work enviroment compared to nonners, but noone gives me ****. Yeah, we joke around and all, but they know there's a difference between joking around and doing your job. If I tell an Airman to do something, by god, they do it, or they will wish they had. Noone's ever given me lip more than once, you know why, because I "corrected" them the instant it happened.

AFCRNA
06-04-2006, 12:58
This is true, the attitude and lip go on if not corrected. But I do need to clarify. When I mentioned "airman", I was using it in a general sense of all active duty Air Force, enlisted and officers.

Being in the medical side of the Air Force, I notice more lip. Not true with the line side. They tend to be no nonse folks. A time to work and a time to play.

Wolf Brigadier
06-07-2006, 22:43
Thank you Jesus! My brother is going into the Army, and myself into the Air Force. We will both get our Masters and preticipate in ROTC during college. Fortunately, he is going as a Rine' marksmen, (Hopefully), and I as an A-10 Thunderbolt III Airmen. Some may think it is radical, (A-10's are the bullet magnets of the A.F. as Rines' are to the Navy,) but I enjoy the idea of tank killing.

A bow to those who serve, have served, or will serve.

Wolf Brigadier

AFCRNA
06-08-2006, 06:39
Congrats! A-10's may be bullet magnets, but the pilot is sitting in a titanium tub. Those A-10's can take a lot of abuse.

MrMurphy
06-08-2006, 07:53
I'm AD USAF.

I may piss and moan, but I piss and moan WHILE doing what i was told, if I even piss and moan. No wonder my sgt likes me.

I ***** about the new uniform because some office commando designed it,and I'm Security Forces, so we have some serious problems with some of the crap they're foisting on us. But I only ***** to other AF guys. I'm too junior to do anything about it. Hell, my flight chief even *****es about the new uniform occasionally, and he's a MSgt with 18 yrs in!.

There are days Army-level motivation would be nice, dealing with some of the little kids I have to work with (I'm 28 and an A1c, they're all 20) and their attitudes gets annoying. Then they try and make fun of me for being "high speed" because this is my career, they're in it for the college money. So I do things right.

Morris
06-09-2006, 18:18
Great list!

I had a beautiful time in my ANG field. We had all branches in our unit, meaning guys would get out of the Army, Navy, USMC, etc., then go off to ROMAD school. Come back to the unit with their prior knowledge and make for a more effective unit as well as being airmen. Zeros and enlisted would team together - that was how you got it done. The only time I can recall *****ing is when the damn Canadians would crack open their deployed beer pallet. Didn't even want to share. Bastages!

I remember an FTX with the Brits at lovely Yakima TC. Record snowfall, damn cold. Crazy Brits actually camped out on an OP overnight. They invited us to spend the night out there with them. Our XO looked at them, laughed and said, "come see us later for the beer chaps!" One lonely unit did make it through the night. Tough buggers. They had most unplesant things to say about their top kick (their zeros went back to the barracks for the night). Super Bowl Sunday at the little club on post was a blast. We got so noisy that we scared the lonely MPs.

I enjoyed my time, AD and ANG. Never felt slighted by the other branches because I made the CONSCIOUS choice to enter the AF. Only time I got down was when the loadmaster slot got jerked away from me and I went on to loading F15s at Happy Holloman with the 49th.

And yes, I am one of the crazy ones that actually asked for Minot . . . but was later sent to Eglin. Someone was drinking at MPC when that request came through.

jackb
06-10-2006, 19:49
Thunderbolt III????

globemaster2112
06-11-2006, 00:00
Originally posted by army_eod
The AF isn't really a military organization.

They are a something to put up with. You guys have become oblolete since the Cold War ended.

I worked with an AF LTC in the CENTCOM Op Center. He was a missile officer. He complained(whined)that the command was run by an Army officer (Abizaid). I reminded him that though this is a joint operation, most of the effort is Army and Marine. Also reminded him most of the casualties are also Army and Marine. I may remind you that the Marines and Navy also fly airplanes.

Some AF guys have been re-tasked to provide some convoy security in Iraq. Talk about whining!

Are you freaking joking? The Air Force obsolete? Lets see how quickly any soldier or marine can evac out of the box without a USAF aircraft getting him to Ramstein or the states to be with his family. You might also consider the comfort the air cover the USAF provides to the Army unit as they carry out their mission. Maybe think about the Homeland defense missions that the USAF provides to protect every high value target in the states. By the way how many Navy or Marine MedEvac airframes can you think of capable of trips carrying multiple critical patients across the pond? How many Navy or Marine jets are land based and capable of protecting our nations capital? The U.S. Air Force is as valuable a component of the U.S. military as any other branch. It is a team effort, how bout you put some thought into your posts before you go degrading a specific military branch. 'Nuff Said I'm Out:soap:

msg1
06-11-2006, 06:05
Originally posted by army_eod
The AF isn't really a military organization.

They are a something to put up with. You guys have become oblolete since the Cold War ended.

I worked with an AF LTC in the CENTCOM Op Center. He was a missile officer. He complained(whined)that the command was run by an Army officer (Abizaid). I reminded him that though this is a joint operation, most of the effort is Army and Marine. Also reminded him most of the casualties are also Army and Marine. I may remind you that the Marines and Navy also fly airplanes.

Some AF guys have been re-tasked to provide some convoy security in Iraq. Talk about whining!

The ignorance of your comments speaks volumes.....I knew this army guy who complained every day...so all army guys must be obsolete whiners right?

As for the convoy security gig...I've got lots of buddies who have pulled that duty and they performed their mission with pride and professionalism, and are all proud of their accomplishments. Never heard a bad word about the protection they provided. Don't jump on this board and disrespect the AF KIA/WIA from those missions either

Go troll the Army site...what an ass.

AFCRNA
06-11-2006, 06:52
Copy that MSG1. Good point.

Globemaster, I second your point. I was over in Iraq twice as a nurse. The second time I was a Critical Care Air Transport Team nurse. Basically we where the ICU in the sky. It was an honor caring for these guys of all branches who had fought so hard. Made my job look pretty minute and trivial.

globemaster2112
06-11-2006, 11:51
Originally posted by AFCRNA
Copy that MSG1. Good point.

Globemaster, I second your point. I was over in Iraq twice as a nurse. The second time I was a Critical Care Air Transport Team nurse. Basically we where the ICU in the sky. It was an honor caring for these guys of all branches who had fought so hard. Made my job look pretty minute and trivial.

I have flown with many CCAT guys, top-notch group. I'm guessing from your location in Texas you might be from Wilford Hall. If so how hard would it be to get one of those Wilford Hall Willie patches? PM me for a patch swap. ;)

SmithJC
06-12-2006, 18:27
Originally posted by tyesai
I have more fun making fun of LT's and aircrew. I hate them both. God help you if you are a LT and aircrew. I will talk never ending crap behind your back and occasionally to your face. That is the Fair Force way.

Heard a great one once. Goes a little something like this.

"You pilots may be kicking ass, but you're WEARING MY DAMN BOOTS."

May have to be a crewchief to understand but trust me, its a good one.

Wolf Brigadier
06-17-2006, 10:20
Originally posted by jackb
Thunderbolt III????

Damn straight, as soon as I tuck the engines internally, increase the entire plane to titanium, add a turret, and integrate anti-radar techniques, it WILL be a THUNDERBOLT III!!

Why not call it the A9-11?

jackb
06-18-2006, 13:13
Heard a great one once. Goes a little something like this.

"You pilots may be kicking ass, but you're WEARING MY DAMN BOOTS."

May have to be a crewchief to understand but trust me, its a good one.


CMSGT Savoy (ret) said that at a "Lunch and Learn" at Sheppard AFB in 2003. Great motivational speaker.
And it's 100% true.

tyesai
06-18-2006, 14:55
Originally posted by jackb
CMSGT Savoy (ret) said that at a "Lunch and Learn" at Sheppard AFB in 2003. Great motivational speaker.
And it's 100% true.

Ah yes, the thing the Air Force is best at, meetings. Meetings and briefings wich nothing is learned but they are important to have. We MUST BRIEF IT, even if it is nothing. We will talk of nothing then today and nothing shall be learned. At 1430 sharp we will brief thou on nothing or something maybe but most likely nothing. At 1500 a half hour into they briefing thou shall no nothing less or more than when thou came but the nothingness shall have been briefed. We shall brief on the change of briefings to being lunch and learn seminars but we shall still learn nothing. On the count of three we shall say don't drink and drive again, 1, 2, 4, hahah just kidding, 3. Don't drink and drive and from this lesson and you have been educated and lots of money and time pissed away learning of nothingness. Now go on with your new found knowledge and change the world and the Air Force or do nothing with the nothingness you have had to endure.

jackb
06-20-2006, 00:50
I saw a video of his speech at 7 level school. We were there for 2 weeks and all we did was watch funny vidoes on the internet during class for a few hours a day and get drunk every night.

meeko
06-21-2006, 20:41
Originally posted by tyesai
Ah yes, the thing the Air Force is best at, meetings. Meetings and briefings wich nothing is learned but they are important to have. We MUST BRIEF IT, even if it is nothing. We will talk of nothing then today and nothing shall be learned. At 1430 sharp we will brief thou on nothing or something maybe but most likely nothing. At 1500 a half hour into they briefing thou shall no nothing less or more than when thou came but the nothingness shall have been briefed. We shall brief on the change of briefings to being lunch and learn seminars but we shall still learn nothing. On the count of three we shall say don't drink and drive again, 1, 2, 4, hahah just kidding, 3. Don't drink and drive and from this lesson and you have been educated and lots of money and time pissed away learning of nothingness. Now go on with your new found knowledge and change the world and the Air Force or do nothing with the nothingness you have had to endure.



While a lot of that is true if you could don't put all of the Air Force in that group! some fields do have motorskills and are for the most part pretty physical. As a AF Security Forces member for 20 plus years I've seen the base populace attend a lot of those "meetings" get off work for "cookouts". While my group got to serve and protect then while deploying and the wing got warm beds we were out in the woods living and diging DFP's (foxholes) and patroling.Thats ok though I wouldn't want their company. Most of the AF is getting way to PC. some of the new troops strike me as the kind that have never been told NO before. glad my rides getting over. Ever since they did away with SAC the AF has went to #$@&. they lost total control and order.

jmshady
06-22-2006, 16:03
Originally posted by army_eod
The AF isn't really a military organization.

They are a something to put up with. You guys have become oblolete since the Cold War ended.

I worked with an AF LTC in the CENTCOM Op Center. He was a missile officer. He complained(whined)that the command was run by an Army officer (Abizaid). I reminded him that though this is a joint operation, most of the effort is Army and Marine. Also reminded him most of the casualties are also Army and Marine. I may remind you that the Marines and Navy also fly airplanes.

Some AF guys have been re-tasked to provide some convoy security in Iraq. Talk about whining!

Whoa there, "Some AF guys have been re-tasked to provide some convoy security in Iraq. Talk about whining! ". I worked with the AF and treated some of those guys after a Vehicle Rollover near Balad. Never heard them whine once. Also I know of a AF Firefighter who gave his life trying to rescue a group of Army guys who flipped a Humvee into a canal in the same AO. I never heard any of them whine about 4 month deployments in my presence. Maybe it was out of fear though :supergrin: . We all take potshots at each other, hell it has been done since my Grandfather was a Pilot in the Army Air Corps. But in the end we all endured the same "Alarm Reds" and both sides took casulties in those attacks. The Air Force medical personell I worked with were top notch and probably some of the best at what they did. They had far less responsibilities outside the wire than we did but they did there job to the best of their ability. You cannot ask someone to do more than that can you?