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Allegra
05-20-2006, 09:10
I've been askd to conduct a seminar of gun safety and handling to a select group of students and professionals. hindi ma hindian
Hindi IPSC
The problem is Ano ba ituturo ko?
As usual the 4 rules of gunsafety
Any suggestions pa? na mental block yata ako
Salamat po

cebuboy
05-20-2006, 09:38
hehe, teaching ahem preaching the basic rules of gun safety and an explanation of basic firearm opeartion will do:)

mc_oliver
05-20-2006, 10:27
Guns are tools. And if one day you decide to get one for whatever personal reasons, make sure you personally excercise the responsibility to learn to use it properly and competently.

Not too far from actually wanting to buy and drive your own car. Except that you can't actually run yourself over with your own car whle you're driving it. :clown:

That's my tip.;)

Allegra
05-20-2006, 11:15
Good Suggestion! keep it coming , wed pa naman yung class
shooting skill I can teach na naks!
It's the intro where I'm lost

toxic
05-20-2006, 12:32
got this somewhere long time ago ( hope di ako mademanda for posting this)..you can use this as an example

Proper safety and handling prevent gun accidents.
Whether you choose to own a gun or not, you could find yourself in a situation where knowing the basic procedures for safe gun handling could become very important. This pamphlet is designed to make you aware of the responsibility involved, and provide some general guidelines for safe gun handling. It is not intended to be a substitute for proper training in gun handling and safety.
GUN SAFETY TRAINING

There are federal, state and local laws governing the purchase and use of guns. Unfortunately, laws alone can't keep you, your family, or your friends safe from firearms that are not handled safely.

Gun "accidents" are the result of untrained people handling guns, or trained people being lax in proper handling procedures. The best way to prevent accidents is for everyone, owners and nonowners alike, to know and practice safe handling procedures. Participate in a recognized gun safety training program. Many programs are made available in most areas of the country through local law enforcement agencies, sportsmen clubs or the National Rifle Association. Then, when you handle a gun, apply what you know.

Remember, this pamphlet is not a substitute for proper training. It is intended to alert you to the need for training, and to provide hints to help keep you, your family, friends and community safer.

KNOW THE LAW

Law-abiding U.S. citizens and, in some states, legal resident aliens, are entitled to own a gun. Federal, state and local laws govern gun sales and define the method for using them.

Many states require licenses to purchase, while others require licenses to carry, a firearm. There are waiting periods and background checks required before you can own a gun.
Laws vary extensively from state to state, town to town, and even gun to gun. If you own or plan to own a gun, know and obey the laws that apply to ownership. Know the laws of neighboring states, too, in case you want to transport your gun into one of them. If you are going to move to another state, make law knowledge part of your planning.
Gun dealers and law enforcement agencies can generally help you comply. But knowing the laws yourself will help prevent your breaking them. Remember that gun control laws are supposed to combat crime; breaking those laws makes you a criminal.

TRANSPORT ONLY AN EMPTY GUN

Taking a gun outdoors? Before you do, make sure it is not loaded. Look from the rear through the barrel bore and chamber(s) to see if they are clear. If you are going to be shooting, be sure the guns are clean, dry and free of oil.
Transport your empty gun separate from the ammunition. Carrying a gun completely empty prevents it from being discharged accidentally. This gives you positive control of the gun by letting you make a conscious decision as to when to load it.
Law enforcement officers going on duty load their guns according to department guidelines.
There are also good general guidelines for private citizens. When going to a shooting range, keep your firearm empty until you get on the range and are ready to shoot. Load only according to the safety rules of the range. When leaving the range, unload your firearm before leaving your shooting position. Be absolutely sure it is empty by visually checking it.

HANDGUN HUNTING

When going hunting, wait until you are in place and starting the hunt before loading. Climbing up to a tree stand, always carry the gun empty, and carry your handgun in a holster. Load your gun after getting securely positioned in the stand.

NEVER POINT A GUN AT ANYONE

Always be aware of where you are pointing your gun. Wherever you are, keep the muzzle pointing in a safe direction, away from you and from other people.
On a shooting range, keep the muzzle pointing down range toward the target, or at the ground when not in a firing position. While hunting, keep the muzzle pointing at the ground until your target is in sight and in range. Then THINK... “Where will my bullet go if I miss? Could it travel a long distance? Could it go through a wall? Could other people be close behind the target?” DON'T BE SHORTSIGHTED ABOUT YOUR TARGET.
Know who or what is behind your target. If you have any doubts, don't shoot.
You are the one responsible for safety once you have possession of a gun. It's a big responsibility, so don't shirk it. Stay safe and keep others safe.

SHOW OTHERS YOUR GUN IS SAFE

When handling a gun around other people, make them feel safer and more comfortable by letting them see your gun is safe by carrying it open. An open shotgun chamber, the slide back on a pistol, the cylinder flipped out on a revolver or an open bolt on a rifle provides that reassurance, especially if the chambers are also empty.
If someone tries to hand you a gun, don't accept it without having them open it so you can see it is not loaded. Offer this same safe courtesy to others before handing them your gun. If you don't want to handle the gun, just refuse it and walk away, unless it's a child asking for your help.

INCREASE YOUR SAFETY MARGIN

To enjoy shooting, you and everyone around you must be safe and feel safe. And for others to respect the sport, they must see it as a safe activity that does not threaten or interfere with them. Once you load a firearm, it never leaves you and you never leave it. This is the only way to keep your loaded gun out of the wrong hands. Unfortunately, there are those who are less careful, and guns are sometimes left unattended.
When loading a revolver, leave one chamber empty and position it in line with the barrel. Keeping an empty chamber in this position means the revolver can only be fired by intentionally pulling the trigger.
A semiautomatic pistol, rifle or shotgun should be treated similarly. You may have ammunition in the gun, but keep the chamber empty until you are ready to shoot. Then charge a round into it.
Once there is a round in the chamber, your ability to handle the firearm is critical to everyone's safety.
Know your firearm.
There are many different kinds, each with their own characteristics. To be safe, you must understand the one you are carrying. Before you load a gun, read the manual and ask for help if necessary.

IF YOU FIND A GUN

Please take note: Anyone may face the situation of finding a gun... teachers, youth leaders, parents, hospital staff... even you. Children could also be in the position of finding or encountering a gun. Therefore, you not only need to know how to handle such a situation yourself, but you also need to educate your children and those under your supervision.
Educate children.
Prepare children by teaching them these three steps:
1. Do NOT touch the gun. Explain that if they touch it, it may fire and hurt someone.

2. Leave the scene. Tell them this will protect them from the risk of someone else touching and firing the gun.

3. Tell an adult. Explain that an adult can get help quickly to prevent an accident. Educate yourself.
This is not only important for those who have limited or no knowledge of handling guns, but also for people who handle guns but may be unfamiliar with the specific model involved. If you find a gun, or a child or other person seeks your help after finding a gun, always—and we mean always—assume it is loaded and ready to fire.
If you are not comfortable handling the gun, send someone to find qualified help (preferably a law enforcement officer) while you remain to alert others. However, if the situation does not permit this, it may be necessary for you to initiate steps to minimize the risk.

GUIDELINES TO REMEMBER
1. If a gun is found, minimize the risk and then contact the owner or the police.

2. Educate children to recognize the risks and get help.

3. If anyone is threatened with a gun, call the police.

4. If a gun is fired in your direction, fall to the ground immediately and lie flat, as it could be fired again. Once you know where the gun is, seek safety. If it's safe to move, crawl on your stomach to take cover behind a substantial object. Get out of the area as soon as it is safe.

5. If anyone needs help to get clear of danger, call the police.

6. If you feel threatened by someone handling a gun dangerously, immediately leave the area and call the police.

7. if you have control over the situation, ask the person to point the gun in a safe direction, unload it, open it and give it to you. If they cannot do that, have them point it in a safe direction, lay it down and step away from it.
Never get into a tug-of-war over a gun.
If you see someone injured by a gun-related incident, call the police as well as an ambulance. In most areas, a 911 emergency number system is in effect to handle emergency calls.
No one wants to be injured by a gunshot. Do all you can to be safe. Do all you can to keep others safe, too. Most of all, protect our children with education and lead by good example.

magister
05-20-2006, 17:51
as a newbie, i found it pretty helpful to know the ff:

why i needed/wanted a gun in the first place (or whether i would be better off with a baseball bat instead)

what gun ownership is not

what the moral and legal responsibilities of owning one are

when not to use a gun (taking flight is often the better option if you ask me. only thing that will hurt here is one's ego.)

paltiq
05-20-2006, 20:15
gun safety
basic marksmanship
proper loading & unloading procedure (dito kasi madalas ang Negligent Discharge of FA)


simple lang muna....ilang hours ba allocated? kasi very broad ang firearms..never ending topic...basic lang muna then proceed to advance topics kung meron pang time:cool:

antediluvianist
05-20-2006, 21:31
I'm no expert at all, but when I talk to non-gun-owners i find them interested in comparisons to movie myths, such as:

1)For instance, no , people do not go flying back when hit by a bullet from a handgun, like in the movies - otherwise the shooter's hand would break when he fired the gun (conservation of momentum etc.)

2)The only reason a bullet is dangerous is that it is small and has a lot of mass - i.e.d. it's mainly made of lead. All that mass X velocity ( or MV squared if you go the force route rather than momentum) is CONCENTRATED into a very small area : e.g. the diameter of a .45 cal or .22 cal bullet = draw the circle, with .45 or .22 diameter, on a board, it's very small and can hardly be seen by the audience. A bullet hit is just as if somebody placed a large nail - with .45 or .22 diameter - on your tummy and hit it with a sledgehammer. The force of the blow is concentrated at the point of the nail , and so the nail goes into you.
If a bullet were hammered until it became a thin very large sheet, like a large thin pane of glass (lead is malleable and this can be done) , and if this sheet were fired at someone with the same powder charge as the original cartridge, the sheet would disperse the force across a wide area of contact, and would bounce off a person, possibly just pushing him back a bit and/or causing a few minor bruises at points of contact.
The complementary concept is that a human body is 80% water, and it doesn't take much to cut human skin. A fast-moving lead bullet can do it easily. If human beings were not so fragile - we are basically just blobs of jello (jello is mainly water) - then bullets would not work. Relatively thin layers of steel are enough to stop handgun bullets; even soft body-armor can stop handgun bullets. Bullets are sometimes even deflected by human skulls.
Rifle bullets, of course, are about 6-7 times more powerful. But firing those in a handgun hurts your hand too much. A handgun is a very weak rifle, useful only at close range.

3) Those movie shots of a guy firing a pistol and hitting some bad guy two blocks away are bull**** in real life. It is very hard to hit a moving man-size target (especially if they are shooting back!) with a handgun beyond 15 meters or so, even less. The real instrument of accuracy is a rifle - leans on your shoulder, long sight radius. Bring a rifle to gunfight unless you can't.

4)Reloading a revolver is a slow pain in the ass, especially a single-action revolver which involves punching out the fired shells singly before manually inserting the new cartridge . Those western movies - cowboys used SA revolvers - are crazy.

5) the English longbow was a superior weapon - in accuracy, effective range, and rapidity of repeat firing - to firearms - for five hundred years - from 1300 to 1800, and in fact probably to 1850. But any idiot could be taught to fire a musket IN VOLLEY (MASSED SHOULDER-TO-SHOULDER) MODE , whereas the English longbow took a lot of skill. So, big armies went the musket route.

6) etc. many firearm MYTHS of Hollywood-movie watching persons - we all are - can be shown to be bull****

mikey177
05-20-2006, 21:31
An intro on the 3 pre-requisites for a shooting to be considered self-defense would be useful.

wingz
05-20-2006, 22:33
IMHO:

1. What is gun safety?
2. What are the causes of a gun being unsafe?
3. What are the possible solutions for a gun to be safe?
4. What is the best solution for a gun to be safe?
5. Do the best solution!




:cool:

agentrod
05-21-2006, 17:34
Some photo's / slides of what a bullet wound looks like will surely stick to their minds.

+1 for emphasis on semi-auto pistol operation. There should be no "trial and error" when dealing with loaded weapons.

Evan N. Payawal
05-21-2006, 18:30
Personally, I believe gun safety doesn't involve just preventing an accidental discharge. You could just as easily kill accidentally even with deliberate fire. Explain to them the concept of a backstop for the time may come you have to discharge your weapon to defend yourself.

darth board
05-21-2006, 23:06
Originally posted by antediluvianist
I'm no expert at all, but when I talk to non-gun-owners i find them interested in comparisons to movie myths, such as:

1)For instance, no , people do not go flying back when hit by a bullet from a handgun, like in the movies - otherwise the shooter's hand would break when he fired the gun (conservation of momentum etc.)

2)The only reason a bullet is dangerous is that it is small and has a lot of mass - i.e.d. it's mainly made of lead. All that mass X velocity ( or MV squared if you go the force route rather than momentum) is CONCENTRATED into a very small area : e.g. the diameter of a .45 cal or .22 cal bullet = draw the circle, with .45 or .22 diameter, on a board, it's very small and can hardly be seen by the audience. A bullet hit is just as if somebody placed a large nail - with .45 or .22 diameter - on your tummy and hit it with a sledgehammer. The force of the blow is concentrated at the point of the nail , and so the nail goes into you.
If a bullet were hammered until it became a thin very large sheet, like a large thin pane of glass (lead is malleable and this can be done) , and if this sheet were fired at someone with the same powder charge as the original cartridge, the sheet would disperse the force across a wide area of contact, and would bounce off a person, possibly just pushing him back a bit and/or causing a few minor bruises at points of contact.
The complementary concept is that a human body is 80% water, and it doesn't take much to cut human skin. A fast-moving lead bullet can do it easily. If human beings were not so fragile - we are basically just blobs of jello (jello is mainly water) - then bullets would not work. Relatively thin layers of steel are enough to stop handgun bullets; even soft body-armor can stop handgun bullets. Bullets are sometimes even deflected by human skulls.
Rifle bullets, of course, are about 6-7 times more powerful. But firing those in a handgun hurts your hand too much. A handgun is a very weak rifle, useful only at close range.

3) Those movie shots of a guy firing a pistol and hitting some bad guy two blocks away are bull**** in real life. It is very hard to hit a moving man-size target (especially if they are shooting back!) with a handgun beyond 15 meters or so, even less. The real instrument of accuracy is a rifle - leans on your shoulder, long sight radius. Bring a rifle to gunfight unless you can't.

4)Reloading a revolver is a slow pain in the ass, especially a single-action revolver which involves punching out the fired shells singly before manually inserting the new cartridge . Those western movies - cowboys used SA revolvers - are crazy.

5) the English longbow was a superior weapon - in accuracy, effective range, and rapidity of repeat firing - to firearms - for five hundred years - from 1300 to 1800, and in fact probably to 1850. But any idiot could be taught to fire a musket IN VOLLEY (MASSED SHOULDER-TO-SHOULDER) MODE , whereas the English longbow took a lot of skill. So, big armies went the musket route.

6) etc. many firearm MYTHS of Hollywood-movie watching persons - we all are - can be shown to be bull**** +1 hollywood firearm myths can get you killed. any of you want a glock 7? :supergrin:

royal glockster
05-25-2006, 07:02
RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP!!! that's all. :cool:

pipo
05-26-2006, 01:11
And maybe tell them to visit the band of glockers at glocktalk for more info on their spare time.:)

jerrytrini
05-26-2006, 08:02
Basics of Gun Handling:

- All guns are always loaded
- Be sure of your target
- Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot
- Do not point the gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.

Allegra
05-28-2006, 08:11
thanx guys , i've been away kaya late reply
The seminar went well , had IROA Noriel do the lecture kaya saftey , handling and firearm laws kasama. May certificte pa.

There were about 20 of them, 3 of them surprised me
All 3 were students, after just 10 practice rnds, they were hitting and clearing out the plate racks! this was their first time to hold a gun
Made me think how many potential national shooters are out there pero cant afford to.

ShootCraps
05-28-2006, 08:48
"The bullets come out going very, very fast. So always keep the gun pointed away from yourself."


Meg Ryan. Firearms instructor. Armed and Dangerous. :supergrin:

theTactician
05-29-2006, 23:38
kayang kaya mo yan sir.

charlie-xray
05-31-2006, 13:10
Kayang-kaya mo yan Sir, mas maganda kung every quarter of the year at kahit na sa mga experienced shooters refresher cours ika nga diba then cover more subjects.

Ako willing ako magbayad, it's not a problem.

You want quality education you'd have to shell for it.

Allegra
06-01-2006, 05:17
Originally posted by charlie-xray
Kayang-kaya mo yan Sir, mas maganda kung every quarter of the year at kahit na sa mga experienced shooters refresher cours ika nga diba then cover more subjects.

Ako willing ako magbayad, it's not a problem.

You want quality education you'd have to shell for it.


one thing lang napansin o sa BoGS espoecially sa beginers
Too much questions about hardware ( ammo, gun etc ) and very few questions about software ( skill )

wingz
06-01-2006, 19:28
Originally posted by Allegra
one thing lang napansin o sa BoGS espoecially sa beginers
Too much questions about hardware ( ammo, gun etc ) and very few questions about software ( skill )


Me, I seek both... kaya Sir A, turuan mo na ko.:supergrin: :supergrin:

darwin25
06-02-2006, 00:25
The moral basis of gun ownership.

Allegra
06-02-2006, 08:14
Originally posted by wingz
Me, I seek both... kaya Sir A, turuan mo na ko.:supergrin: :supergrin:


I might be too far from you unless you live in Laguna
Anyway, it usually takes 2 sessions and about 200rnds kung basic lang
Kaso strictly shooting lang.
Kung laws and safety , tackled na yan sa gun safety seminar

wingz
06-04-2006, 21:53
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Allegra
[B]I might be too far from you unless you live in Laguna

Oops malayo nga pala. I'm from Makati Sir A.:upeyes:.
Still, thanks for the concern and support. :cool:

magister
06-04-2006, 22:53
sir wingz,

sent you pm.

Allegra
06-05-2006, 07:30
Originally posted by wingz
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Allegra
[B]I might be too far from you unless you live in Laguna

Oops malayo nga pala. I'm from Makati Sir A.:upeyes:.
Still, thanks for the concern and support. :cool:


If you can drive a little south , sa munti
Baka pwede si Lito Pible

wingz
06-06-2006, 03:52
Originally posted by Allegra
If you can drive a little south , sa munti
Baka pwede si Lito Pible

Thanks again for the concern Sir A.
:cool: