Full Auto Conversion

[shooterglock]

Hey, did you guys know there is a drop in part that will allow ANY Glock to fire selective fire(semi or full auto)! It is alowed here in Switzerland, as long as it is not installed in any firearm. This is the ultimate enhancement to any Glock!

[vega]

Just curious, what's the use if you're not going to install it in your firearm?:)

vega

[shooterglock]

Originally posted by shooterglock
Hey, did you guys know there is a drop in part that will allow ANY Glock to fire selective fire(semi or full auto)! It is alowed here in Switzerland, as long as it is not installed in any firearm. This is the ultimate enhancement to any Glock!
Well then, that is up to you!
(May I say that it really works well!!)
In theory of course.

[SomeGuyInAHat]

Originally posted by vega
Just curious, what's the use if you're not going to install it in your firearm?:)


Apparently, it is useful as a conversation starter.

[shooterglock]

I will post a video of the part soon.
This was of course made in timbukktu.

[RayDog]

I've shot a couple full auto pistols. One was a Glock 17 conversion and the other was a Browning HP. I don't want one. It has a certain cool factor but thats about it. Very hard to keep on target on full auto with a pistol.

[shooterglock]

Yes it is, unless you have a Bubbit shoulder stock on your Glock!
Then it is real easy!
Greetings
Shooter

[Compy]

adding a stock to a pistol in order to control it. Kinda defeats the purpose of having a pistol, doens't it? :rolleyes:

[shooterglock]

Yes, but how else does the average Joe change from pistol owner to Submachinegunner?
The thing looks weird, but damm does it shoot!

[Compy]

I guess full auto pistols don't give me a hard on like some people. Oh well.:rolleyes:

[PACKIN' PLASTIC]

FA pistols?

A very good way to waste ammo IMO.

If you need FA, you need a larger launching pad.

PP

[shooterglock]

Ok, yes, if you dont know what you are doing you will only waste ammo.
A horny blond chick will give me a much better hard-on than a FL Glock!
But, there is a place in this world for a small smg.
Else the Armies of this world would not be looking for one!

"No hardon" Markus

[WalterGA]

For a couple of weeks, recently, due to a malfunction, my G17 was shooting f.a. After a couple of mags' worth of developing a shooting technique, I didn't have any trouble at all staying on target for short bursts. I shot up a few hundred rounds of my excellent reloads before the malfunction cleared up.

I'd probably enjoy owning a f.a. converter for my G17, if such ownership weren't illegal. Well, the illegality wouldn't have anything to do with my enjoyment, but I wouldn't want to be prosecuted for such a silly offense.

[KY-Midnight]

Hey Walt, I don't spose you could explain how your gun malfuntioned like that, by chance? Just so I can make sure nothing like that ever happens to mine, you see. Wouldn't want any malfunctions, but if it happened, then we'd know how to fix it.
Ahem...
Well anyway ;j

[9x19mm]

Well said KY-Midnight!

;f ;f ;f

[Team-G]

Hey ShooterGlock,
Is the conversion piece made by FSS-G? I've seen a video on this on their website. I think it's just www.fss-g.com.
They are made in Arizona, USA. The guy that invented it was from Venezuela. It goes for about $300. but they don't sell them in the USA.
I get to shoot the G18 occasionally. They're way COOL!

ps: Just curious. Are their any other countries that allow (what we call) Class-3 weapons without any hassles? I've heard that the Phillipines are pretty friendly in that respect.

[Hailstorm]

Would the simple ownership of the piece be illegal? You can buy a M-16 Autosear without problems.

Originally posted by Hailstorm
Would the simple ownership of the piece be illegal? You can buy a M-16 Autosear without problems.

Legal ones are "about" 5Grand.Then you can use it in your ar15.

[SomeGuyInAHat]

Originally posted by Hailstorm
Would the simple ownership of the piece be illegal? You can buy a M-16 Autosear without problems.

Legal M16 autosears must have been registered pre-86, and as such they command exorbitant prices. Possession of an autosear and an AR-15 can be considered constructive intent, which is enough to do some time in Club Fed.

I don't think there are too many of these autosears around for Glocks that were registered pre-86 (read: none). Possession of this part and a Glock would likewise be constructive intent.

[Hailstorm]

Yea but at a local gun show, I can purchase a complete M-16 parts group. That includes auto sear. For $75.00. It just crossed my mind that why would the possesion of the auto device be bad. But I can see the intent thing.

[FotoTomas]

A point to remember is that the auto sear can be the drop in type or the original that requires a milled out receiver and the appropriate pin installation holes.

A non drop in auto sear I believe does not have to be registered. It would require possesion of a receiver that could accept it and full auto capable parts to install in the receiver before constructive intent could be pursued.

Also to the best of my memory the receivers that could accept the original auto sear are class three items in themselves. you would have to mill out a commercial receiver which would be easy for ATF to show your intent to break the law.

It has been many years since that information was important to me so all bets are off when it come to current applicability.

As a side note I purchased a drop in auto sear new for 15 dollars in Atlanta at the SHOT show in 1980 or 1981. This was before the ATF ruled it to be a machine gun kit by itself and required registeration. Wish I still had it.

[newglockr]

Here is the poop on AR15/M16 drop in autosears. A loophole in the law allows pre-1981 $195 drop-in- autosears (DIAS) to be legally sold and owned. However, if you own one AND own or have access to an AR15, you are in poessson of an unregistered machine gun, even if the two devices never touch. Basically, those $200 sears are useless.

The registered DIAS units ($3500-$4500), when transferred, are machine guns themselves. You can indeed mill out a new Colt receiver to allow the unit to be dropped in since the milling of the receiver is not considered making a machine gun. Drilling a hole to allow a normal (not drop-in) M16 sear to fit IS considered making a machine gun, though.

An advantage of the registered DIAS is that you can marry one to an inexpensive post-ban AR15 (let the BATF know that you are marrying the two together) and then the AR15 can have all of the evil features like a collapsable stock, threaded barrel, etc. Since a machine gun is sort of the top of the pyramid, you can even shorten the barrel as desired. When the DIAS is removed, you MUST remove the M16 fire control parts (selector, etc.) and remove all evil features from the rifle since it is back to being a post-ban unit.

If you have an AR15 only (no registered DIAS or M16) and have the fire control parts (selector, etc.), you are in posession of an unregistsred machine gun, even though the AR15 will fire poorly and unsafely in full auto. If you have an M16 and those control parts as spares, the area is a little more on the gray side but still legal, even if you own an AR15 as well.

If all of this sounds wrong, stupid, confusing and makes little logical sense, congratulations, you understand...

[pdvc1000]

a full-auto glock and .22 conversion would be nice to play with.
its a pitty they only make 10 shot mags for them...:)

[Chaos]

In theory, you could get a very simple version that is non-selectible and easy to make. And since I'm not in the USA..simple posession would not be a crime.
There were full instructions online..but the site disappeared (and don't ask for a backup please)
Better to stay away from the whole thing..not worth doing time for.

Out of interest though...G26 was mind blowing. With a 33rd mag it climbed until you held tight, then could be held fairly stable. G21 was another story though. Would LOVE to try a FA G25 or 28 (.380) which are both freely available here. Just haven't gotten round to trying it yet. Recoil shouldn't be too bad.

Within the USA though?..definitely not something I would even think about.

Chaos

[Glockdude1]

Now that would be both fun & cheap to shoot!!!!!!!!!!


;N ;I

[xyz]

do u guys use reloads when firing in FA mode?

[longjohn]

like Norrel does on his full auto 10-22's, because a full auto .22 ordinarily operates at 30 shots per second. So a 30 rd mag would offer you 2 bursts, then it would be empty. You can hit more than 2 targets per second with a powerful centerfire, can't you? If all you want to do is make noise, they do sell firecrackers, after all.

[Aquanewt]

I noticed in the video at the http://www.fss-g.com./ site that when the shooter engaged one of the targets he hit the paper but not the scoring area (a lage bottle area with a smaller one inside) Would not a more accurate semi be more effective than a bulet sprayer?

[maddcatt]

Just had to say this...WalterGA, your full of it. If you were on the level you would have had something more to add, explaining how such a malfunction was possible. Next time save it, K?

[FotoTomas]

maddcatt, are you not a little late in this comment?

For your information, the "malfunction" is common when certain parts are polished out of their original specifications. I was at a GSSF match when one went "rock and roll" mode. The GSSF Armorer was off his table and heading to the bay like greased lightning.

It would be inapropriate to violate the forum rules here by discussing methods that would allow for the creation of illegal weapons.

If you want that info a book is published with all the info you could need. Probably sold at a local gun show.

[maddcatt]

Ease up there cowboy, nobody said anything to you about anything. I neither request the information or desire it other than a slight hint of disbelief towards walterga and now your claim.
Are things that assanine with regards to whats legal and illegal to talk about, even after someone makes claims to know cause and cure to a next-to unheard of malfunction that fits this threads topic, and could prevent another person from getting hurt by malfunction or gunsmithing costs.

In other words, if you think knowledge is illegal and wrong to share and discuss....KEEP IT! Your Tainted moral view on the subject would corrupt the details of the steps taken to prevent or restore the malfunction.

[FotoTomas]

I do agree that the info is and should be available but this forum does not allow for the discussion of methods to illegally convert magazines or weapons. All I am doing is following the forum rules. There are other options for the information without p!ssing of Eric and company. :)