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TexasGlock23
05-29-2006, 11:08
Give me pointers please. I want to be MP. I am 21, and I still do not have a degree, so officer is out for me. Thanks guys and Happy Memorial Day

Kalmah
05-30-2006, 02:18
I spent 2 years in Security Forces before cross-training into another career field. I may not have all the answers but I'll see what I can do. What would you like to know?

TexasGlock23
05-30-2006, 06:21
Anything and everything, what to expect, etc.

hmb
05-30-2006, 07:44
IMHO, Security Forces is a dead end career field. (AF doesn't use the term "MP.") Most security force troops right out of basic training end up walking a post at night, guarding an aircraft. I think we will continue to see civilian guards at military bases. At Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth Carswell Field, it appears that all gate guards are now civilianized. Please don't sign up for security forces thinking you're going to be investigating crime.

4TS&W
05-30-2006, 07:58
No matter what your career field, you will be much better served with the degree.

That goes the same for USAF or not USAF.

Kalmah
05-30-2006, 09:54
As was mentioned before, most, if not all, bases are using or are going to start using civilian contractors for gate security. A lot of that is because of Security Forces being stretched thin due to overseas deployments. SF deploy a lot, so you can pretty much count on spending time in the desert. And even if not deployed, being stretched thin means long shifts and few days off.

About the only time you would not deploy, would be if you ended up at a missile base guarding nukes. That's what I did for 2 years. Some troops don't mind working missiles, but most consider it to be the ass-end of the SF career field.

Is there anything specific you’d like to know about? What are your expectations for the job? What do you see it as being like?

RussP
05-30-2006, 10:56
Originally posted by Kalmah
...What are your expectations for the job? What do you see it as being like? Excellent questions! How many years you planning on putting in?

TexasGlock23
05-30-2006, 16:40
Well from what my girlfriend said her dad did, he pretty much patrolled the base on shifts much like a police officer here would. I just want to know what I should look for or do while in there. My goal is to become a police officer, but I am finding it difficult for me. I have 12 hours of college under my belt and no experience, I am 21 working at a part store making no money while my girlfriend is a paralegal with a degree. I would love to start a family in the next 5 years and have a house. The way I am going I won't be able to. Basically it is time to man up and do something with my life. I thought I could work full-time and do school, but all I can manage is 2 classes a semester. I want to work in some LEO field, that is all I ever wanted to do. I had thoughts of becomming a mechanic since I live cars so much, but not necessarily aircrafts, and since I have been told by several members of the Armed Forces that the AF has the best benefits I wanted to shoot for the AF.

Blitzer
05-30-2006, 18:08
Sign up for a vech mechanic in the Air Force, lots of ground equipment to support those aircraft you know. ;)

I am a former United States Air Force mobile RADAR tech, 303x2. We spent lots of time in trucks driving around the country side dragging a RADAR unit behind us. We had mechanics fix all those trucks.

Japan, S. Korea, Germany and the Middle East have our RADAR gear deployed there.

Kalmah
05-30-2006, 21:37
Originally posted by TexasGlock23
Well from what my girlfriend said her dad did, he pretty much patrolled the base on shifts much like a police officer here would. I just want to know what I should look for or do while in there. My goal is to become a police officer, but I am finding it difficult for me. I have 12 hours of college under my belt and no experience, I am 21 working at a part store making no money while my girlfriend is a paralegal with a degree. I would love to start a family in the next 5 years and have a house. The way I am going I won't be able to. Basically it is time to man up and do something with my life. I thought I could work full-time and do school, but all I can manage is 2 classes a semester. I want to work in some LEO field, that is all I ever wanted to do. I had thoughts of becomming a mechanic since I live cars so much, but not necessarily aircrafts, and since I have been told by several members of the Armed Forces that the AF has the best benefits I wanted to shoot for the AF. If you went Security Forces, you could end up in LE, essentially being the base cop. Or you could end up in security, spending hours walking a flight line in all kinds of weather, or out on the wide-open prairie guarding nukes. It’s a crapshoot. You could also pick another career field that would be more marketable in the civilian world.

There’s no guarantee SF is going to be any more helpful to you when you look for a civilian LE gig than any other career field would be. An honorable discharge is going to look good on an application or resume, regardless of what your job was. Most departments are looking for applicants with life experiences in general, not just security/LE backgrounds.

And most departments are looking for college grads, or at least someone who’s close to graduating. That’s where the Air Force is going to help you a lot. You’ll have all kinds of educational opportunities, from tuition assistance to the GI Bill. BE SURE TO SIGN UP FOR THE GI BILL!!! With these programs, you’ll end up paying very little, or even nothing, for a bachelor’s degree.

You’re probably wondering, who am I to give you advice? Well, I was in a similar situation to yours. I was 21 years old, a college dropout, working a dead end job with no future. I finally said, “screw this,” I need to do something with my life. So I enlisted in the Air Force and became a weather specialist. I did my 4 years, got out, put my GI Bill to work, became a full time student and finished my degree.

After graduating, I worked in civilian law enforcement for several years - as a deputy in a small county sheriff’s office, and then as a patrol officer in a large city PD. I then applied to Air Force Officer Training School, got my commission and spent 2 years in Security Forces.

So I do know a little something about both civilian and military LE.

TexasGlock23
05-30-2006, 22:22
Well thanks, that is exactly the type of info. I am looking for! To be honest i am not joining up to fight for my country, although it is great that some do, I just never really had ambitions to do so. Joining was always a last option in the back of my mind. I thought I could make it out here, but I guess I was wrong. My only reason now is for the benefits! As ****ty as that may seem to others, I am an honest person. I have nothing but respect for those guys fighting so that I can b*tch about my financial problems. Thanks for the info. guys. Keep it flowing. Anything can help.

tyesai
05-31-2006, 16:37
I have been in for almost 13 years in aircraft maintenance. I like it well enough. If you just want to use it for the benifits, that is fine. There is almost any type of job you can think of in the A.F. and our quality of life is better than the other services. There is also lots of jobs that don't deploy nearly as much as the cops. NDI, PMEL, optometry, public affairs, MEO, any of the bean counter types just to name a few. Not saying they don't go places but not nearly as much as the SF guys.

I think someone already said that just because you were SF doens't really help you much more than just being in the military and from what I have gathered from others I would agree.

The one thing you have to remember and I tell all my new troops is is that the military is 90% attitude and 10% ability. A good positive can do attitude with a nice uniform and good boots can get you a long way. Young guys sometimes don't get the little things, I notice every time when one of them says yeah instead of yes.

The A.F. is probably the easiest job that people hate.

TexasGlock23
05-31-2006, 16:49
Thanks guys, all this is helping me decide, reply with whatever you can. I need to set up an appointment with a recruiter to discuss further I guess

Sam White
05-31-2006, 20:39
I've talked about this issue with a friend of mine at work a few times. He was an active duty SF for 4 years, a security guard, a correctional officer at the state prison, a campus cop, and a deputy. He's told me many times his employers specifically told him his 4 years as a cop in the Air Force weren't considered "previous law enforcement experience." Our supervisor is a retired Air Force SF who also worked for the Federal Protective Service before setting down here- we make good money here but he's also got retirement checks coming in every month. I have another friend who was in with my other friend at the same time, doing the same thing, and now works security making a lot less than I do with no LE experience but a college degree.

So what? Don't count on that time/training in Security Forces to guarantee you a job as a civilian cop. Use your tuition reimbursement and your GI BILL to your fullest advantage.

You don't have to go in with the attitude "I'm serving my country:" I've know plenty of people who've approached the military as a job who were damned good at what they did. Just be good at what you do.

MrMurphy
05-31-2006, 23:36
I'm current USAF Security Forces, overseas.

If you want the headsup on how things are RIGHT NOW (sorry guys, but 2-3 years changes much in this field lately) give me a PM. Might take a day to reply, I"m working 6-and-3's and in Europe so time is off.


I'm an LE troop in a base where you do both LE and security in the same squadron (not necessarily always the case). LE is, indeed, within a few years, going away. Mostly.

I know two guys from NY who have done their 4 and are getting out at 22 to go be state troopers or local cops. While SF may not qualify as "LE experience" it's a hell of a lot more than someone else off the street knows. Most of the LE stuff you learn in an academy you learn in tech school (cuffing, crime scenes, car stops etc) to some extent. The future of SF, though, is "Air Force Infantry" doing airbase defense as the primary if not only mission.

PM me if you want a run down on exactly how tech school is being run as of this year (I'm only six months out, and a bunch of noobs just showed up, so i can quiz them).

Morris
06-02-2006, 17:11
Being SF will not guarantee you a smooth transition into a civilian cop job. However, it is looked up favorably. Many local cops around here are reserve or Guard SF troops.

What is your interest? Do you want to be something other than a cop? I regret that I did not demand the powerplant tech school/AFSC when I got in. I could have worked on my A&P and been doing well as a jet engine mechanic.

Instead, I was a weapons loader, CATM troop, then TACP (which was a good time). All good experiences I left at ten years to be the better F/T cop. Still miss the AF.

TexasGlock23
06-02-2006, 17:16
I really have no interest in much beside law. A game warden would be nice. Mechanics, but not on planes.

MrMurphy
06-02-2006, 19:15
You could be a heavy vehicle mechanic (MXS). As a Security Forces troop, yes you learn LE stuff, but depending where you go, you'd maybe/never do it. I've been a cop six months and have issued two tickets. Mostly because I'm an entry controller and don't get mobile patrols much, and the rest of the time I'm pulling security posts because I'm cleared for them, we're perpetually (till pretty soon with a bunch of guys in) undermanned, and I'm qualified on all weapons in the inventory unlike many.

But when I do, I enjoy them. One day I was the only LE patrol mobile on the entire base, by myself, for about 2 hrs because the sgt I was riding with got pulled for other duties for a bit. :) That was fun.

Just realize that if you go in SF you won't have much time for college without some serious self-dedication, refusal of party offers and girl chasing by other SFers etc. We don't have much free time. Being married I get about 4 hours sleep a night then I'm at work.

Morris
06-03-2006, 07:54
You know, I picked up more applicable skills from my TACP days that relate to my current LE job than with the other AFSCs I had. Funny how that works.

TexasGlock23
06-03-2006, 16:25
Ok, you all understand I might go and that I am not in, so abbreviations mean nothing to me:soap: Explain them for the slow guy:clown:

MrMurphy
06-03-2006, 19:11
SF: Security Forces

TACP: basically forward air controllers, guys who go running around out in the boonies calling in airstrikes etc.

TexasGlock23
06-03-2006, 19:24
well the SF I got, but the others I am clueless.

Morris
06-03-2006, 20:16
www.romad.com

slaytera666
06-03-2006, 21:13
I've been SF for almost 6 years and I can't wait to either cross-train or seperate. If you are an SP, learn to love going to the desert. Seriously.

TexasGlock23
06-03-2006, 21:20
Thanks for that ROMAD link, that seems liks somthing that my catch my interest.

AFshooter
06-03-2006, 21:50
At my base most of the the SF guys sit in a little 6'x6' box guarding an aircraft or a gate or sometimes a parking lot for 12 hours at a time. You do get one day a week off.
Currently I fly on a mobile command and control platform. We leave for one week at a time. I usually hit two to three bases a week.
We are paid for traveling and people in my career field receive flight duty incentive pay in the amount of $150 a month. I'm also 21.
My career field is called 1A3.
We fly on E-3 AWACS, E-4B NIGHTWATCH, E-8 JSTARS, MC-130, EC-130, RC-135 RJ, OC-135, and Air Force One.
Check it out.

TexasGlock23
06-04-2006, 00:01
The Irony is I am afraid to fly, never been on a plane. But as a kid I wanted to fly jets or be LEO. Then I realized I am afraid of heights.

AFshooter
06-04-2006, 00:33
how big of a problem is it?
Air Force basic training had a lot of climbing on tall structures and repelling down sides of walls and such.
Will you be ok with that?

RepairmanJak
06-04-2006, 07:14
Regardless of the career field you choose there are other options once you've arrived. I'm an advocate of getting your 4 year degree out of the way before you do anything with the Armed Forces, you just seem to have more fun. As a side note, it took me 12 years of night school while in the AF to finish my 4 year degree.

The hours may or may not suck depending on your job. SF has other options within, there's the JDET (Joint Drug Enforcement Team) a partnership with a career field only available on entry to officers, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI).

Speaking of AFOSI you can apply to join from the enlisted ranks after you've served usually your first term. Star performers from their respective fields are usually the norm, but as with all selection processes, some bad eggs get through. AFOSI is charged with investigating major people crimes, including murders, rapes etc., major fraud, counter intelligence gathering for the USAF, counter espionage etc. They have specialities within the field such as Technical, computer crime, etc.

I spent 16 years in the USAF and my last 5 were as an OSI agent. That does count as LE and in the long run hasn't hurt me a bit. I'm now employed with the Fed government as an 1811 series, criminal investigator ($100k annual). So keep your eye on the ball and do what you have to so you can get there.

I do think if you're looking for a "job" any of the military services wont make it for you. It's more a lifestyle and a desire to actually serve your country. You're asked things most people wouldn't even consider and in reality you're not given a choice once your signature is on the dotted line. What other job can get you tossed in jail for not getting your hair cut (extreme, but possible).

Just hit me with a PM if you'd like more info. I'm a bit dated, I've been out of the AF for around 7 years now and in military terms, I'm old news.

Jak

MrMurphy
06-04-2006, 08:06
My first supervisor just went OSI. :) I'm current SF, he can PM me but he hasn't or emailed.

Morris
06-04-2006, 08:48
Jak makes a great post. I must confess that while in the AF, I squandered many opportunities to get my degree, including the one through the CCAF. Look at it this way: get your degree, you can come in as an E-3 so you already have a leg up. Find that AFSC that you think will work FOR YOU. Be successful at that AFSC and enjoy your time. Exploit your time with the USAF to your advantage. Suck up all the pertinent training you get.

I can tell you than agency heads now look at your EPRs (enlisted performance reports) if possible to gauge who they are hiring, kind of like laterals and their annual reviews.

Hey, I have a bias toward my ROMAD brethern but had many good friends and contacts in security forces, CATM, STS (PJs and controllers) and so on. Above all else, don't be a (poop)bag, make the experience work for you, get the field/AFSC you want and have fun.

And when your Army or USMC brethern give you (poop) about being "air farce," remind them who has the better chow halls and prettier nurses. :)

TexasGlock23
06-04-2006, 15:08
Originally posted by MrMurphy
My first supervisor just went OSI. :) I'm current SF, he can PM me but he hasn't or emailed.

Actually I did, you replied back that it was too much to list in PM. So here ya go jared1217@sbcglobal.net ;)

Plus I have been a little busy with work. Thanks for all the help to the helpful one's. But like I said, no I am not doing it to just serve my country. I am doing it as a way to better my self as a person. I see nothing wrong with that, nor have any of my old friends who were heading the wrong way in life until they joined the Marines etc.

TexasGlock23
06-04-2006, 15:10
Originally posted by Morris
Jak makes a great post. I must confess that while in the AF, I squandered many opportunities to get my degree, including the one through the CCAF. Look at it this way: get your degree, you can come in as an E-3 so you already have a leg up. Find that AFSC that you think will work FOR YOU. Be successful at that AFSC and enjoy your time. Exploit your time with the USAF to your advantage. Suck up all the pertinent training you get.

I can tell you than agency heads now look at your EPRs (enlisted performance reports) if possible to gauge who they are hiring, kind of like laterals and their annual reviews.

Hey, I have a bias toward my ROMAD brethern but had many good friends and contacts in security forces, CATM, STS (PJs and controllers) and so on. Above all else, don't be a (poop)bag, make the experience work for you, get the field/AFSC you want and have fun.

And when your Army or USMC brethern give you (poop) about being "air farce," remind them who has the better chow halls and prettier nurses. :)

and from my girlfriends father who is retired AF, they have better benefits. Not that I would know though. USMC or Army is not for everyone. My 18 year old cousin just signed his life to the Navy, what is wrong with that? As least it is not to drugs or crime.

TexasGlock23
06-12-2006, 14:29
Well I am off to talk with a recruiter, I should have done this 3 years ago when I graduated.

AirAssault
06-12-2006, 14:59
Originally posted by TexasGlock23
Well I am off to talk with a recruiter, I should have done this 3 years ago when I graduated.

GO ARMY!
:steamed:
:supergrin:

TexasGlock23
06-12-2006, 15:15
thanks for the encouragement. The recruiter was not in, so I filled out some paperwork so she can look over it and call me in. I found out that I have to lose 20 lbs.! Looks like my summer is filled with excessive running and not drinking:shocked: j/k. I already excercise a small amount, and eat pretty good. But good is not good enough.

Any help you guys can continue giving me is greatly appreciated. I have a few interest, hopefully those will land me a good postition. I love weapons of course, so anything like that would be nice. Maybe even some SF would be a thrill.

coopesc2000
06-14-2006, 11:52
i just want to add this if you are joining the military or SF to be a cop then you are going about it the wrong way. When i got hired by my department they basically told me they didn't care that i was SF they liked the fact that i was military and that about it. they didn't care what job i did in the military as long as i was military. heres another thing i make less in the civilian world as a cop then i did in the military but i love my job!!! no more ECPs, that means gates for you non military folks.:)

Morris
06-14-2006, 12:36
Don't let them sign you open! No open career fields, get specific. Best thing about the Guard is that you go for what is available and what you want, not open.

So, you have SF/CATM. How about something else cool beans like Combat Weather, or TACP or STS? But do not dismissing being the shaft of the spear. What I mean is that a wise thing was told to me by a crusty old Tech Sergeant many years ago when I was a young airman and quietly complaining about how dull it was to turn and load weapons on the F15s. He looked at me and said, "The spear is only stable if there is a solid piece of wood shaft behind the tip." The spear can't fly straight and true if there isn't that support behind it. Jets don't fly by themselves - they need support people of all stripes to make them capable of being deadly. Support people make "stick grip actuators" (read: fighter jockeys) actually look good becaus ethey fly with good equipment and a full stomach. Special Teams can't get to point B unless their maintenance troops are on the ball and do good work. Best person in my TACP unit was the guy who fixed our radio pallets and our general support guys. Nothing to look at and they were certainly low speed, high drag. But they coul fix the hairs on a gnat's butt if it was needed. I really appreciated those folks.

My formerly enlisted, then formerly enlisted officer wife was in Finance. When the studs would come swaggering in to say how cool they were, she would gently remind them that their life could suck if their bank accounts were empty.

Whatever you go for, enjoy the position, exploit it to your advantage and take advantage of what the Air Force offers. One of the best cops I worked with in my years was a cook in the military. We loved him at BBQ times.

TexasGlock23
06-14-2006, 16:32
LMAO, thanks. I still have yet to talk to the recruiter. She was not in Monday when I went in, and she has not called yet. Although today at work one did form the USAF website. But I could not take the call. Thanks for all the tips. I am sure the recruiter will have a list of jobs for me to browse. I believe I am making the best decision for me and my soon to be wife.

TexasGlock23
06-14-2006, 16:35
But don't you guys think my chances of eventually becomming an officer is better if I do go. I am 21 with 12 credit hours to my name. It is hard at this age to become an officer. Plus, who knows, I am stay in if I like it. Most that I talk to stay in.

MrMurphy
06-15-2006, 10:24
If you do go in Security Forces, start running now. Lots.

4 years in will help you out with the GI bill, experience, maturity, you'll get to see the world (if you fill out your dream sheet right... I put down all bases in Europe, and I got one, the stateside bases I put down were hard to almost impossible to get as first bases, so that kind of narrowed it down for me).

TexasGlock23
06-15-2006, 16:21
That sucks for me then, I would PREFER(not demand of course) to stay in the states, at least not Europe. But I really don't have the last word. About how long after can my wife come to stay? The recruiter still has not called. I have to go back monday on my day off and see if she is in, or try to get ahold of another near me. She is slacking.

Sam White
06-15-2006, 18:42
If I were you I would try to call or email the recruiter's office. Most of the recruiters I have observed are very busy people (not making excuses for them), so the person who is proactive will be more likely to get a response. If you join the military, you'll find this out, whether it's schools, pay issues, etc. Don't wait for someone to come looking for you. Especially in this case, it's in your best interest to get what YOU want the first time, ie Air Force, duty station, etc.

Anyway, I think you'll be glad you joined once you've been in for awhile. Murphy makes a good point.

FWIW, I've been working with an Air Guard recruiter for when my 4 years are up with the Army. Anyone I've ever talked to about the switch has told me I'll be very happy on the other side.

TexasGlock23
06-15-2006, 18:48
I planned on getting in touch with one monday. I have mondays off. Thanks guys.

MrMurphy
06-16-2006, 10:53
There's a load of US bases. If you put in for them, you'll probably get one of the ones you picked. I'm just telling you how I got Europe, when I wanted Europe (by applying for hard-to-get US bases like Eglin, and ALL of the European bases and nowhere else).

If you do go overseas and it's accompanied (ie not Greenland, Turkey or Korea) she can come over as soon as her paperwork's ready. In my case 3 months cause it was still catching up (newly married) but if you do it right she can come on the same plane as you.

In the AF, if you want to be around weapons (small arms) and use them daily, and be in something at least approaching police-like activities SF is it.

I know quite a few guys who are regular cops, and Security Forces in the Air National Guard. We've got a bunch over right now from Oklahoma who are just that, they come over for 4 months to help us out, get some free traveling in, and expand their horizons (after having been to Jordan, Turkey and Iraq already I think theirs are expanded enough but hey......whatever works).

Either is an option. As a cop though, it's not "if" you deploy it's "when" unless you're a missile cop up north.

TexasGlock23
06-16-2006, 19:02
So what you are saying is that security forces or special forces WILL be deployed? That really doesn't bother me. I never thought of joining and weaseling out of my duties as a SOLDIER in the Armed Service. But if I can be stationed in the states and have my wife with me then that would be great.

Sorry like I said before, I am ignorant to all this and I will ask many more questions.

I have an appointment next monday with a recruiter. Guys I appreciate the patience and help.

globemaster2112
06-16-2006, 23:05
IYAMYAS :supergrin: :cool: :smoking: :joker: :devilishgrin: :cheers:

Morris
06-16-2006, 23:11
In the post Clinton military fighting in two battles, one theater plus other worldwide commitments, you can expect to be deployed either as a plug-in or part of an AEF. You will see something and yes, a remote tour is probable. Even the Guard and Reserves are doing tours and rotations, either as whole units or as augmentees to existing units.

MrMurphy
06-17-2006, 00:30
Yes, anyone in the AF deploys now, regularly, but cops specifically. I've got a sergeant who's deployed 4-6 months per year for six years straight. He also volunteered for 3 of them, because he's single and makes a LOT of cash on deployment (nothing much to spend it all on). Another guy saved $15,000 on deployment to give you an idea. (single also).


We're so deployed that we have a team (usually 12-20 guys) leaving every 5 or 6 months, and we have ANG guys coming from the states to help us out (usually manning gates etc) as well as augmentees (non-cops working with us doing same thing) and some IMA reservists (reserve cops who live here, their husbands or wives are also AF, usually cops, so they do like 3 months of active duty, then the rest of the year they're off, or something like that).

I was supposed to go with the upcoming crowd but they didn't need me this time, so next time I'm almost guaranteed to go, or on a TDY somewhere (short trip) say to Spain, Bosnia etc.

tyesai
06-17-2006, 08:10
Originally posted by TexasGlock23
So what you are saying is that security forces or special forces WILL be deployed? That really doesn't bother me. I never thought of joining and weaseling out of my duties as a SOLDIER in the Armed Service. But if I can be stationed in the states and have my wife with me then that would be great.

Sorry like I said before, I am ignorant to all this and I will ask many more questions.

I have an appointment next monday with a recruiter. Guys I appreciate the patience and help.

You really need to think twice about this and I say this out of respect and experience.

First I think the military makes all good people better and SOMETIMES makes bad people good. You have talked about a girlfriend and a wife and I will tell you this right now, at your age and assuming your girlfriend/fiancee/wife age the military isn't really cognitive for "staying together". From what I gather her old man was A.F. so she has a grip on what it means to be in the military. If you want to "start a family" this isn't the way to go.

You may say "TSgt Pierce, why do you say that, you don't me or my gf/fiancee/wife" NOPE, but I do know how old you are, and I do know from my own experience and that of countless others how that crap usually turns out. Young wife, homesick, misses momma and daddy wants to go home, your divorced. Young wife out clubin while your deployed banging someone in your bed because you aren't there for her. You say "but that won't happen to ME", and I say "SURE" (dripping with sarcasm) "because your special and your wife really really loves you, and it is different for you, you won't be like the othere 90% of the new guys, you'll fall into the other 10%" (still driping with sarcasm)

Give me a reasonable number if you like and I will sit down for however long it takes and type out each story I have for that number. Honestly sometimes it works, but from what I have seen at your age it don't. Lots of young people are to selfish to understand how some sacrifice can strengthen a relationship.

That said, I don't want to discourage you but you need to join for the right reasons. Understand that it is going to take lots of sacrifice but the rewards are worth it, you CAN get an education for almost free, you CAN see the world, I haven't been deployed much or moved around alot and I have been to Spain, Greece, England, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Ireland, Iceland, Sicily, TX, AR, NC, KY, NM, NV, SC, PA, OH, TN, to name a few just doing my job, fixing aircraft.

I tell you this because I get so sick of hearing about new airmen and their wife/gf problems. They want to go home cause their gf is sick, or having surgery, blah blah blah, the military doesn't care unless it is your wife. Who more than likely will be sleeping with your "best friend" while you are sleeping with the other 10 best friends in a tent in the desert.

SO SAYETH TSGT PIERCE :soap:

I bet MrMurphy can back me up on some of this, he is from what I gathered an older Airmen and has probably seen some of the ways the youngins falter.

MrMurphy
06-17-2006, 08:41
Oh yeah....

I've heard all of these before.

At 28 with a wife who's 23, we're not as susceptible to some of that, but I've definitely heard about that sort of thing with others I know. Both of us are stable, not the "player" type even when single, and our entire relationship before marriage was long distance much of the time, so while seperation sucks, we're used to it.

tyesai
06-17-2006, 13:19
Take note on how MrMurphy says
"as susceptible"
That is a level headed statement.

You never know, I don't believe it would happen with my second wife either, she is 33, I'm 31 and we have a 2 year old and another on the way here in a few weeks and she is prior military, worked command posts, so I don't worry about it to much. But even as things are now you never know how they will be the next time you aren't home for 4 months.

Like I said before, pick a number, I got some good stories.

BTW MrMurphy were in Europe are you at? Thinking about going overseas, been at Little Rock airplane patch for 12 years, sick of the heat and ready to move and see something different.

TexasGlock23
06-17-2006, 16:35
Well, I don't have to worry about her being homesick as she does not speak to her parents. They "disowned" her when she would not leave me because I came from a poorer family and did not make the kind of money they felt I needed to make. She is a military child and moved a bunch, so Dallas is not her home. I do believe I can trust her, but things do happen. We have been together a while and neither one of us are the type to "play the field", but I do understand what you are saying. And when I meant "start a family" I meant that in a stable way. I can not catch a break right now, and I hate to give up. But I feel like I am just wasting away. Joining would make me more of a mature adult and teach me things I was not taught. We do not plan on having kids, maybe adoption later. I see the military as a stepping stone and not a way out. But call it what you want. I am at the point in my life that it is now or never. I am 21 making **** in my job, and I do not have alot of interest in career unfortunately.

Plus, if I catch her cheating, then back home to her parents that never cared or b*tched all the time. It is her choice. I can not be the judge of her actions. But while she is hitting rock bottom, I will still be on top of my game and can find someone who would be true. Thanks for the insight and please feel free to keep it comming.

Jared

you can email me also

jared1217@sbcglobal.net

MrMurphy
06-17-2006, 17:12
The saying is "What goes on TDY stays on TDY".

Quite a few people mess around. I don't. My wife knows I don't. Period. The ones who do know who they are etc etc. Since I work with about half single guys half married, you hear a lot of stories from the party-hard single guys, but I'm not dumb, some of the married guys and/or girls have played around on deployments. Not having yet deployed, i just leave it at "that's their problem".



Friends can save your life in the military, and having a lot helps. Being a team player means survival as anyone past basic knows, and if you deploy, having other wives to talk to helps and when you're deployed, having other married guys to talk to helps (as I've heard from many other married cops) cause they know what it's like.

You're only 21. It's good you've got a big enough pair to realize McD's ain't gonna cut it in the future jobwise, and the military's not a bad way to go. As long as you do your job the way it should be done and don't be a slacker, dumb!@& or otherwise, keep off the booze (reasonable drinking is fine, getting slammed gets people in trouble all the time) and your supervisors will love you. Then you get extra days off, the good posts if you're a cop, below the zone promotion, etc.

tyesai
06-18-2006, 10:54
I don't really have to much more to add. The military is the easiest job you will ever hate. Know that basic training and Tech school isn't the real military, it changes and gets alot easier after that.

If you just show up with your hair cut, clean pressed uniform, and shiney boots your doing better than half the new airmen. If you don't piss and moan when you have to take out the trash or wax the floors that puts you in the top 75% of new guys.

If you show some interest in working hard and maybe even volunteering to work a weekend or two that puts you in the top 95% and if you can mananage to say yes instead of yeah you will be considered one of the top 99%. Can you handle it, show interest in your job, not be a stinky dirty guy and say yes instead of yeah? If so this guy would love to have you work for me in my shop.

If you can think of anything specific please ask.

TexasGlock23
06-18-2006, 11:21
Damn, I will do GREAT then. I bust my ass at work daily, and realized that life's a B**** and pissing and moaning gets you nowhere. All the managers, asst. managers, and store man. do **** all day long. But I figured complaining would only make me look bad.

My mother slapped respect into me very early. I still have the yes ma'am and yes sir attitude, while opening doors for ANY lady near me. My g/f was surprised men actually do this. She was not accustom to it. I still to this day open every door for her and we have been together almost 3 years. Believe it or not, I have the upmost respect for my elders. Something many do not have. And as I can gather from people and shows, you WILL have it in the military, or the military will make sure you remember some how.

MrMurphy
06-18-2006, 14:16
In my case, my ex-flight commander (he moved up) loved me because he was a hard-core training machine (He came from CRG where they trained 99% of the time they weren't deployed doing antiterrorism and training other countries troops). I know that to train is to live and all that. He had us doing CQB training (more/better than the usual) and one day they had all the sergeants in doing it (training the trainers) making sure they were all on the same page. I voluntarily came in for five hours on one of my few days off because 1. I love to play terrorist and legally blow away sergeants 2. having a "hostile" made them realize their mistakes better 3. A humiliated sergeant in Europe is better than a dead one in Iraq and 4. Both the boss and I knew that other than 1 sgt and himself, I knew this stuff better than all of them, and took it more seriously.

Yeah I lost half a day off but all the NCOs and the boss knew I took the training seriously, and I improved my flight's training as a whole. That's the sort of thing that gets you promoted early. And that's not why I did it.


(Besides, being able to "whack" 2 tech sergeants with a combined 36 years in was fun, and their highly profane comments at realizing they were "dead" were even funnier.... especially in front of the five witnesses in the room who didn't tell them I was there)

Show up shaved, showered, shined, pressed and do your job right and you go far. I may piss and moan, but I always piss and moan while doing what I was told to do, not trying to find a way out of it. They don't expect much more.

Case in point a month or so back we were doing something that required me to be up in a Humvee turret. It was pouring rain. I was the only machine gunner who got screwed and had an open turret (the others had the closed model with the full roof). I could have been hiding out inside the Humvee where I wasn't on the gun manning my post, but I stayed up there in my gumby rubber suit, freezing my butt off, because it was important and my job. The operations officer (#2 guy in the squadron), ex-enlisted himself, came by to see how we're doing. He knows it's raining/freezing being out in it himself, and when he walked up, the other nice warm dry guys in the Humvee drop the window and he starts talking to us. He just looked up at the turret at me, and said something like "I knew that'd be you up there" because he knew i'd been up there the whole time, and he knew me well enough to know I always do it right.... even when it's freezing and raining.

Your reputation for life can be made on days like that.

TexasGlock23
06-18-2006, 17:15
Thanks Murphy and all others.

TexasGlock23
06-26-2006, 12:01
Im meeting with the recruiter in an hour.

MrMurphy
06-26-2006, 14:49
Sign nothing without reading three times, and if it's not on paper, it's not happening.

TexasGlock23
06-26-2006, 14:51
only thing I signed was paper on registered voter today! I can't really work out details until I lose the freaking weight. But that is fine, Texas is hot as hell in the summer:supergrin:

slaytera666
06-27-2006, 13:20
Originally posted by TexasGlock23
That sucks for me then, I would PREFER(not demand of course) to stay in the states, at least not Europe. But I really don't have the last word. About how long after can my wife come to stay? The recruiter still has not called. I have to go back monday on my day off and see if she is in, or try to get ahold of another near me. She is slacking.

As Murphy stated earlier if you would like to stay stateside with your girl, pick a PRP(long story) Missle base. That is some of the easiest work you will ever do and 99.7% NEVER deploy at all. I did that as an FSC(another long story) for 3 years. I was FE Warren in Cheyenne WY for just shy of 5 years. You might like the security aspect too.

TexasGlock23
06-27-2006, 16:35
thanks, slaytera, you wouldn't happen to be a member over at FSC.com would ya? If so pm me

MrMurphy
06-27-2006, 19:08
However, missile cops do 5/5 (5 days in a MAF guarding silos, 5 at home),which, according to some ex-Malmstrom people I know, can really suck if you're not single.

TexasGlock23
06-27-2006, 19:56
Murphey, what made yuo want to go to the USAF and be SF? Do you have yahoo messenger or aim? It is easy for me to talk there or through emails.

slaytera666
06-28-2006, 05:10
Originally posted by MrMurphy
However, missile cops do 5/5 (5 days in a MAF guarding silos, 5 at home),which, according to some ex-Malmstrom people I know, can really suck if you're not single. They are on a 3 on 6 off at FE right now.

slaytera666
06-28-2006, 05:11
Originally posted by TexasGlock23
thanks, slaytera, you wouldn't happen to be a member over at FSC.com would ya? If so pm me

Thats different, FSC = Flight Security Controller.

TexasGlock23
06-28-2006, 06:27
Originally posted by slaytera666
Thats different, FSC = Flight Security Controller.

:laughabove: I meant Full Size Chevy . com! Your s/n and area are similar to a guy over there