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cshermiel
05-30-2006, 11:15
sirs,
I would like to request for your help sana. I got a second-hand colt 1911 series 70. According to the previous owner, itís an original Colt. Now my dilemma came when I showed a friend my acquired pistol. He said, he wasn't so sure that what I have is an original. Although he did say that from the looks of the pistol, itís ok naman. I have no experience with 1911s and so I don't know what to look for to check if itís an original.
Anyway, here are the parts that came with the pistol:

- Hard Chromed / Zebra Stripes on the Slide
- 2 8-Rounder Magazines; 1 Chip Mc Cormick Brand and 1 Star Brand
- King's Gun Works bushing and SS Full-Length Guide Rod
- Wilson Combat Sights
- Wilson Combat Extended Beavertail Safety
- Wilson Combat Hammer
- Wilson Combat Firing Pin
- Wilson Combat Trigger
- Wilson Combat Grip Screws
- Pachmayer Wrap Around Rubber Grip

Here are some pictures of the pistol.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e228/cshermiel/DSC02206.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e228/cshermiel/DSC02205.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e228/cshermiel/DSC02204.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e228/cshermiel/DSC02203.jpg

Overall, I am quite happy with the pistol naman. Wala naman siyang rattleÖ I just donít know if the stiff recoil spring has something to do with it.

Now, here is the help that I would be asking po. I hope you guys wouldn't mind.

1.Can someone help me regarding the transfer of license? I heard, itís around 5k for none appearance. Have to admit, quite busy with work, so I would be more inclined in choosing this option.

2.Can someone, more knowledgeable regarding Colt 1911s, verify the authenticity of the pistol that I got?

3.Regardless if it is an original Colt or not, I would like sana, to redo or change the marks/etching on the slide. Can you direct me to someone who is good regarding this aspect?
As of the moment, one side has, COLTíS GOVERNMENT MODEL

and on the other side, COLT MK IV SERIES í70 / GOVERNMENT MODEL / 45 AUTOMATIC CALIBER


I do hope you can extend any assistance you can offer.
Thank you in advance.

OJ
05-30-2006, 11:48
FWIW, it is not totally stock. The grips are aftermarket. But, that's not necessarily a negative. I you could give us at least the serial number (XX to replace the last couple of numbers if you like), we could give the year of manufacture.

There is a lot of help for 1911 fanciers on this forum:
http://forum.m1911.org/index.php?

This is what a stock Colt's MKIV/Series 70 Government Model 45 ACP looks like:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/kmastf/P3130001A.jpg

The stock recoil spring is 16# - if you order it from Wolff Springs, they include an "extra power" firing pin spring with it - not a bad idea.

:laughabove: :laughabove:

cshermiel
05-30-2006, 12:11
The serial number wouldn't be a sure way to go about it. The pistol is license so most likely the serial would have come from an original Colt. What I'm actually looking for is someone who can physically authenticate it. Parts have been changed and there's no concern regarding those. My main concern is the the authenticity of the frame/body and slide.

Anyway based on the serial number, according to http://www.sightm1911.com/ , the pistol was manufactured during 1942.

Thank you Sir OJ for your input. I have been to that site you suggested.

cshermiel
05-30-2006, 12:28
To make matters more confusing for me, according to that same site http://www.sightm1911.com/ , the new series "70" began during the '70s and serial numbers changed also.

for example:
Serial no. [Year manufactured]
S/N 70G01001 to 70G05550 [1970]
S/N 70G05551 to 70G18000 [1971]

OJ
05-30-2006, 12:55
Glad to be any help I can be. The then new Series 70 Government models were assigned these serial numbers and, I think, production of them extended into 1983.

During 1970 the change to the new series "70" begins and serial numbers changed also.

S/N 70G01001 to 70G05550 1970 4550
S/N 70G05551 to 70G18000 1971 12,450
S/N 70G18001 to 70G34400 1972 16,400
S/N 70G34401 to 70G43000 1973 8600
S/N 70G43001 to 70G73000 1974 30,000
S/N 70G73001 to 70G88900 1975 15,900
S/N 70G88901 to 70G99999 1976 11,099

During 1976 a range change of serial number begins.
S/N 01001G70 to 13900G70 1976 12,900
S/N 13901G70 to 45199G70 1977 31,299
S/N 45200G70 to 89185G70 1978 43,986
S/N 89186G70 to 99999G70 1979 10,813

During 1979 a range change of serial numbers begins on March 20, 1979.
S/N 01000B70 to 30008B70 1979 29,008
S/N 30009B70 to 72989B70 1980 42,981
S/N 72990B70 to 99999B70 1981 27,009

During 1981 a range change of serial numbers begins on Oct. 17, 1981.
S/N 70B00001 to 70B11246 1981 11,246

Series 80 Models started then followed by the 1991 Model (both of which had firing pin blocks) and in the year 2002, Colt's Manufacturing went back and started producing Series 70 Models again with the same firing pin system the first run of Series 70 Models had - still do make them, as far as I know.

Colt's will furnish you some more information - for a price - I don't know if they could tell you what you want to know.

At any rate, I hope you enjoy your Series 70.

:laughabove: :laughabove:

Eye Cutter
05-30-2006, 16:11
it looks like that you got a refurbished 1911 that was imported during the mid to late 90's

these Colt pistols were once US Armed Forces issue sidearms that were replaced with the Beretta 9mm

your slide is refinished in a polymer based coating what local platers call "teflon"

you can have it stripped and reblued if you want

paltik45
05-30-2006, 17:38
Yup you got a mix and match gun. At first I tought it was a Caspian Damascus slide because the pictures are kinda blurry. It is a good thing you still have the original serial#. Kasi kalimitan eh either binubura or dinadagdagan ng number kung dating loose firearm. The other way to check its authenticity is the proof marks on the frame. The paltik makers in Danao Cebu doesn't usually pay attention on the proof markings on the frame. Your gun could be a Vietnam Era surplus that flooded the Philippines in the early 90's. Lastly, if you will use it and keep that gun have it checked for any "Sabit" at the FED. Kung walang kaso at napa license muna eh pa "lower" mo yung ejection port mukang virgin pa. :supergrin: :freak:

jimbullet
05-30-2006, 18:20
From the pic, its hard for me to tell, but someone told me that the trigger guard contour should match the production Colts. I believe the Armscor contour is quite different. Dont know about the Norinco, havent seen it very closely

PMMA97
05-30-2006, 19:26
Originally posted by cshermiel


1.Can someone help me regarding the transfer of license? I heard, itís around 5k for none appearance. Have to admit, quite busy with work, so I would be more inclined in choosing this option.



Any reputable gun store could do this license transfer for you. But if I were you I would clear the gun first with FED Before worrying about it's authenticity.

The gun looks great. Me want a Colt :supergrin:

Django
05-30-2006, 19:45
Yep. Seems like you've got a refurbished mix and match gun.

If the serial number trace reveals that it is made in 1942, then it is not a Series 70 model since the Series 70's were made (obviously)in the 1970's.

The safety also looks circa 1942. I once had a WWII Remington Rand clunker whose safety exactly looked like the one you have in your gun.

As to whether it is an original Colt, it would be hard to say judging from the pictures alone.

For your peace of mind, just bring it to a competent gunsmith to determine its authenticity.

i_am_infinity
05-30-2006, 20:31
cshermiel,

please check ur PM...

cshermiel
05-31-2006, 00:37
Thank so much for the help.

here is the original picture from the previous owner that "tempted" me to purchase it.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/blue_anchor/ColtS70.jpg

So far, I've changed the grip with Pachmayer Wrap Around Rubber paired it with Wilson Combat Grip Screws.
I've also removed the mag well as I am planning to purchase Speed-Chute from Wilson Combat.


Sir paltik45,

Intially, I thought of the same thing but for the price I got it, I would only be "wishing" if it was indeed a Caspian Damascus slide.
I asked the previous owner if 'walang sabit' yung pistol before I purchased it. He assured me naman na clean siya.


Sir Django,

Can you suggest a competent gunsmith who can determine the authenticity of what I have?


To everybody,

Thank you so much for the help.

Django
05-31-2006, 03:49
Now that there is a clearer picture of your gun, it would seem that it is a WWll vintage .45 as seen from the "US Property" and "US Army" stamp on it's receiver.

As to the gunsmith, it depends on where you are situated. I am from the south so I will go to either Metrillo or Col. Bayang if I have some gunsmithing needs.

Eye Cutter
05-31-2006, 05:39
it looks fine as it is, although if i were in your shoes, i'd go out and customize it to my tastes, too.

cshermiel
05-31-2006, 05:50
Sir Eye Cutter,

I agree with you, it looks fine as it is... same reason why I got it in the first place.
And like you, I am still planning to customize it to my preference.

Thank you

jimbullet
05-31-2006, 06:32
Thats the nice thing about 1911s, each pistol has its own character depending on what bells and whistles you wanna put on it.

Alexii
05-31-2006, 06:41
That's a nice pistol. Did the previous owner say who customized it?

I thought it was a Damascus slide too.;)

cshermiel
05-31-2006, 07:10
sir Alexii,

:sigh: I can only wish it was... :sigh:
The previous owner didn't say nor did I asked pa. He did mention that it was a family's private gunsmith.

pogie45
05-31-2006, 07:25
cshermiel,

That is a fine looking Colt. The Zebra stripes stand out. How does it shoot? How much did you get it for?

cshermiel
05-31-2006, 07:33
Sir pogie45,

Thanks. Haven't tried shooting it yet since I haven't fixed paper work for it.

PM for you.

cshermiel
05-31-2006, 07:40
Sir pogie45,

Thanks. Haven't tried shooting it yet since I haven't fixed paper work for it.

PM for you.

pogie45
05-31-2006, 08:02
Reply to PM sent.

Thanks...