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VICARA
06-05-2006, 13:19
Let me revisit this sensitive topic because it’s such a huge talk in the media. It was on theaters in P.I. when I was there and I heard it was a decent money maker even with the demand for a boycott by some religious group. Russia, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and who knows where else, also ban the release of the movie. Well, what d’you know, despite the controversy and bad reviews, the movie has the second biggest worldwide film opening in history.

Okay guys, let’s hear your take on the book/movie with emphasis on the storyline. As a Christian, did you find the idea uncomfortable and unacceptable? As you already know, it claims Jesus Christ married(?) Mary Magdalena who was pregnant when Jesus died and Jesus therefore had descendants. Remember people that this is a work of fiction, and fiction is just that…fiction. Remember Silas and Opus Dei, the secret society Priory of Sion, Langdon, Sophie, the Holy Grail, the Templars…

Also, can somebody contemplate what the worldwide scenario will be, if the central figure of a similar story, fiction or not, is Prophet Mohammad instead of Jesus Christ? (not the part about woman because, truth be told, one of them is married) Can somebody spell chaos?

What’s the feedback from other religions in the country? Islam, Iglesia ni Cristo, Ang Dating Daan, Aglipayans, Mormons, Baptists, Pentecostals, etc. I don’t seem to read an awful lot of press release from them. Maybe somebody’s wishing Hollywood will make a movie version of Angles and Demons? Can we really trust the Vatican? or the Gospel itself? (if you can save the flame, please)

OK, let the debate begins…and let’s keep it clean.

PS. Let it be known, I’m a Christian and have a strong belief system. But I tend to ask questions and I’m inquisitive not the kind ‘close your eyes and just believe’. Leap of Faith? Hmmmmnn… guess not.

horge
06-05-2006, 16:16
Mmmm'okay, I'll weigh in.
Just my opinion and impression lang naman, although
the forum should by now be inured to the sheer length
at which I can try to communicate ;)

Hang on for dear life...

I've been a fan/student of the history of the
'pauperes commilitones Christi Templique Solomonici'
since before high school, in the mid 1970's.

Actually, the main attraction for me was the
'Ordo Militiae Sancti Joannis Baptistae Hospitalis
Hierosolymitani', who have many successors today,
but the interest in the Templars was inevitable.


Dan Brown and a horde of prior conspiracy-buffs have
written a lot of cack about the Templars, based on
two things: the wealth possessed by the Order, and
the mysterious confessions supposedly extracted from
some of its members under torture .

The 'wealth of the Templars' is easily explainable by
looking at the Hospitallers. The latter are NEVER
accused of finding some secret treasure, and yet
amassed almost as much land and treasure simply on
the strength of pious donations and gifts of grateful
patients, never mind large inheritances from deceased
members of the Order who came from nobility.

Whereas the Hospitallers provided health care for a
flood of European pilgrims to Jerusalem, the Templars
had a near-monopoly on armed transport of the same
pilgrims, to Jerusalem and back. Both orders were the
beneficiaries of large donations in the form of land and
money, from the pious and the grateful.

It's well-known how the Templars developed modern banking:
pilgrims no longer had to risk hauling large sums of cash
to sustain themselves while in the Holy Land. They would
deposit cash in Europe with the nearest Templar commandery,
and obtain a receipt which could be redeemed with the
Templars upon arrival at the destination. Since the
'wealth of the Templars' was not personal in ownership,
but rather held in common use, it was exempt from the
moral ban on simony/usury. Interest was charged. From there,
it was a short step to financing all sorts of European
projects.

There was a large gross income generated, but relative
to the Templars' mission, was it enough?

If anything, the Templars were rather poor in spite of
the near-century of monopoly they had on both banking and
secure pilgrimage tours. This is because maintaining a
military presence in the Holy Land cost astronomical sums.
This is why at the end, separated from not just the Holy Land
but their raison d'etre, they were very strict in
collecting on loans: they wanted to mount another crusade,
and badly lacked the funds to pursue it.

In exchange for support in seeking papal imprimatur on
a new crusade, they had lent money to a client already
saddled with outstanding debt: that paragon of faithless
greed, the French King Philip the Fair.

(continued, ;))

PMMA97
06-05-2006, 16:39
All I need to know in life I learned in kindergarden. ;)

cebuboy
06-05-2006, 17:02
just my .02 bukos, if people dont like the show then they dont watch the show, why would they want to ban it? what about me who want to watch it? if their faith is that strong why are they afraid of this work of fiction?? i am against censorship. and i do not trust the vatican:)

Kiddo
06-05-2006, 18:33
Originally posted by cebuboy
just my .02 bukos, if people dont like the show then they dont watch the show, why would they want to ban it? what about me who want to watch it? if their faith is that strong why are they afraid of this work of fiction?? i am against censorship. and i do not trust the vatican:)

Exactly! If it is all lies, then what is there to be afraid of? If their faith is strong, then it shouldn't be shaken by conspiracies written by an author just trying to sell books. Them attempting to ban the movie/book just makes it more attractive to watch because it is controversial. :upeyes:

chocoboy
06-05-2006, 18:56
I'm a catholic, i pray, i go to church... So what if Jesus had a wife and child? Does it make people believe less to his good works? I think it's the vatican that's afraid that people would start replacing them with women. It's not that i dont trust the vatican... The vatican is made up of men... men who can commit sins as well. If you give it much thought, there are more men who commit more sins than women. Ang dami kaya child molesters and manyak na pari. The director of our school (a jesuit) was expelled for having an affair with one of our school teacher. Yes it was proven (nabuntis yung teacher)! And this jesuit was also rumored to frequent a night club. Riding his expensive motorcylce, in his leather jacket labeled "Soldier of Christ" at the back. Astig noh? :) May nakita ba kayong madre na nang-rape? Nagnanakaw? E kung si mother theresa na lang or someone like her ang naging pope? Would that make catholics believe less of their faith? Just my opinion :)

horge
06-05-2006, 19:26
I have never heard of the Vatican calling for a boycott of this movie,
nor of the book :)




(continued from a few posts up)

When news of the successful 'liberation' of Jerusalem in 1099
reached Europe, pious support for the eventual Latin Kingdom of
Jerusalem was guaranteed... for almost a century. So-called
'military orders' came into being, such as the Templars, the
Hospitallers (eventually 'miles'), and the Teutonic Knights.

However, even before the loss of Jerusalem in 1187 and subsequent
loss of all European territory in the Holy Lands, that support
had begun to dwindle --the existence of the Latin Kingdom of
Jerusalem was dependent on European money, and Europe was needing
more and more of all available cash for its own problems.

Dedicated to defending the Holy Land, the evicted Templars
naturally agitated for a new Crusade to reclaim it, and the
political support of monarchs and the pope was sought, over
many decades.

In the 1300's one of those courted by the Templars was King
Philip the Fair, and he promised his support in exchange for
loans he could not repay. Instead, he sought to cancel his
debt by obliterating his lenders the Templars (following the
Christian template of expelling Jews to whom outstanding amounts
were owed).

The Templars were charged with heresy, many of them arrested
and tortured to obtain the desired confessions. Never mind that
a Pope was kidnapped and eventually murdered as a mere sideshow
to this persecution, Philip got what he wanted.

Conspiracy-theorists got what they wanted too, in those
confessions obtained under torture.

One of them was supposed to be secret worship of an object/entity
called the 'Baphomet'. Nobody really knows what this was, but
Dr. Hugh Schonfield thought to apply an ancient Jewish decryption
tool, the Atbash cipher (which had been used to interpret portions
of the Dead Sea Scrolls). With that, 'Baphomet' can be intepreted
as 'Sophia' ---a Greek word for 'wisdom'.

Never mind that no other Templar trivia have yielded goodies via
this cipher, but this is where it gets REAL funky. A large number of
historical and invented 'mysteries' are linked together (only by
omitting much truth) to form the conspiracy that Dan Brown has been
only the most recent to promote.



'Sophia', as said, means wisdom or knowledge.
There was a heretical sect of Christians, from about 300 A.D.
onwards, called the Gnostics (the name alone suggests a worship
of knowledge and wisdom). They held, among other things, that
Judas was first among the Apostles for receiving specific, secret
instruction (knowledge) from Jesus (to betray the Son of Man, etc.).
A withered pamphlet (in Greek, not in Aramaic as Dan Bown claims)
of theirs describes Mary Magdalene as exceptionally devoted to Jesus,
and that the latter often kissed her on the... well, the word
is missing. Brown insists the missing word is 'lips', and that is
the basis for the claim that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were lovers.
The idea, however sacrilegous, is not new. It has been around in
disguised form since at least the 800's.

Jesus kissed his other apostles as well, according to the Gnostic
texts, but then a kiss was a more common greeting back then,
than it is today (beso-beso notwithstanding).

If Jesus and Mary Magdalene had offspring, then a 'holy bloodline'
was out there for any wannabe monarch to lay claim to, pursuing
unasailable legitimacy of his authority and rule.

(Later European nobility was fond of providing falsified documents
attesting to their patrilineal descent from Julius Caesar, or from
Alexander the Great, from Moses, saints and apostles. Bloodline was
everything, and the kings of Europe couldn't very well fess up to
having descended from the slaves and mercenaries of the Romans, eh?)

So, first we are supposed to believe the Templars actually worshipped
a 'Baphomet', and then believe that the word really reads as 'Sophia',
and then accept that Gnostic heresy was truth, and then that the
Templars had such proof of its truth: that is to say, that Jesus
fathered children.

We are to believe that the wealth and existence of the Templars
is somehow different from that of the Hospitallers, that it was based
on blackmailing the Church with the proof of Jesus' offspring.

Worse still, we are to buy into the 1956 falsifications committed
(and later confessed to, in 1993!) by Pierre Plantard:
the so called Les Dossiers Secrets, which he had had inserted
surreptitiously into the archives of the French Bibliotheque
Nationale, identifying a fictitious 'Prieure du Sion' and
hilariously listing an impossible line of 'Grand Masters' for it,
including Leonardo da Vinci.

One only has to look at all the fake Hospitaller Orders, with their
fake documents and lucrative recruitment of gullible members-knights,
to understand one reason for falsifying some secret 'Pieure du Sion',
and again now, Plantard has already confessed to the falsification.

But wait, there's even more suspension of disbelief required!
This fictitious Prieure du Sion is supposed to be the heir to
Templar secrets! As one of its Grand Masters, Leonardo da Vinci
--by all accounts a devout Christian to his death-- is supposed
to have inserted Gnostic heresies into the 'Last Supper', a
tempera he rendered in the dining room of the Convent of
Santa Maria delle Grazie --to the specifications of his patron,
Ludovico Sforza, the Duke of Milan.

We are to believe that da Vinci's image of John actually
represents Mary Magdalene, the 'Holy Grail' that carries the
blood of Christ in her womb, all in the context of the very moment
the Lord consecrates 'His body and blood'.

A cursory study of Last Supper paintings by other artists of the
day, and their boyish, almost girlish, depictions of John, is
helpful. Furthermore, da Vinci's Last Supper doesn't depict the
consecration of 'Body and Blood' --it is the moment when Jesus
reveals that one of the apostles will betray Him! THAT's why
the apostles are so agitated in the painting. Further, we know
there were twelve apostles --if 'John' is actually the Magdalene,
where's John, then, 'ey?

I could go on and on... (you KNOW that I can ;) BWAHAHAHAHA!!!)
The Merovingians are another past interest of mine, and the
Carolingians as well, since their lessons apply to parts of the
dismal political landscape in the Philippines.
---


Dan Brown's 'The Da Vinci Code' is a lot like the TV series 24.
It creates tension by intoducing insinuations at a breakneck pace
but never really ties up all the loose ends satisfactorily. The sheer
volume and pace of such, distratcts the reader/viewer from noticing
many lapses. Bereft of these shock-value insinuations --which by
the way are largely borrowed (plagiarized, even) from suprisingly-
recent publications of wildly-varying quality (Baigent et al 1982,
etc.)-- Dan Brown's writing leaves me bored:

Check out his other novel 'Digital Fortess', which also dwells
on code-breaking. Without the Da Vinci Code's shock-value
allegations vs. the Church, it reads very badly. Cardboard
characters, weak grasp of mathematics involved in cryptology,
and a tin dialogue had me in a very irritable mood.

Perhaps that is NOT Dan Brown's fault.
He writes in a style that so very many have clearly enjoyed.
Perhaps it is my own shortcomings that prevent me from finding
such enjoyment through his work.


I did not 'boycott' the movie for any 'heresy', nor do I recall the
Church enjoining me to participate in a 'boycott'. If I did that sort
of thing in principle, I would boycott Sunday Mass first, as the
priests imposed on my congregation (SVD, Sacred Heart, QC) are
stupefyingly shallow in their presentations of Gospel and catechism,
and actually propose ignorant heresies in their sermons.

It is terribly hard work wading through all their bullshat to find
what I showed up for, but at least they don't charge
for admission.


h.

sundancekid
06-05-2006, 19:46
there's really no debate.... when you read the original book of dan brown... he wrote on the book (on the preface) that's it's just fiction... albeit he used existing 'facts' to develop his storyline. i suggest to those who saw the movie, also take hold of his book to balance things out.

horge
06-05-2006, 20:04
But, it is precisely the book that so many object to,
rather than the movie :)

It is Brown's claim of some factual basis that is so easy
to demolish. As for Brown's fiction, as I have said:
many have clearly enjoyed it (or it would not be the
bestseller it still is).

jerrytrini
06-05-2006, 21:05
I am not sure if I have posted this but after reading the book, my wife and I had to change our travel plans in Italy. We went to Milan to see for ourselves Da Vinci's Last Supper. Our docent was really furious about the book and repeatedly stated, "It is fiction". The book was really believable and very convincing. Just like his other book Angels and Demons. However, the theologians and religious scholars have put up dozens of arguments denouncing the story of the alleged marriage. My 2 centavos.

VICARA
06-05-2006, 21:16
whoa! horge, you never fail to amaze me with your immense collection of knowledge on any subject, past, present and future. para kang walking encyclopedia! I just read the book The Templar Legacy by Steve Berry (which I think trying to piggyback on the popularity of The DVC) and the storyline is exactly n'sync with your writing. What exactly are you besides a Phil-based pistolero?

The first novel I read from Brown was the Digital Fortress. At that time, I have no idea who he was until Angels and Demons and later, The DVC.

keep them coming. I always enjoy writings that stimulates the brain or what is left in the space between my ears.

jerrytrini
06-05-2006, 21:33
Diligentia Vis Celeritas???????

horge
06-05-2006, 21:57
Originally posted by VICARA
whoa! horge ... What exactly are you besides a Phil-based pistolero?

A devoted husband, mediocre gardener and certified sex-machine.
(**insert appropriate smiley here**)

antediluvianist
06-05-2006, 22:12
Having sex is as natural as defecating and urinating. If Jesus did all three, so what?

The real question is : if Jesus had lived in modern times, would he have chosen a 1911 as his sidearm, or something else?

st. matthew
06-05-2006, 22:28
+1

Originally posted by VICARA
whoa! horge, you never fail to amaze me with your immense collection of knowledge on any subject, past, present and future. para kang walking encyclopedia!
keep them coming. I always enjoy writings that stimulates the brain or what is left in the space between my ears.

darwin25
06-05-2006, 22:31
Originally posted by antediluvianist
Having sex is as natural as defecating and urinating. If Jesus did all three, so what?

The real question is : if Jesus had lived in modern times, would he have chosen a 1911 as his sidearm, or something else?

Blasphemy Sir Ante!

I think it will be either Micro-UZI, Desert Eagle or a Jericho 941:supergrin:

horge
06-05-2006, 22:46
The real question is : if Jesus had lived in modern times,
would he have chosen a 1911 as his sidearm, or something else?


It's no real question at all, you heretic...
Stop suckling Satan's hind teat will you?
Cleave to the logic at hand:

The Lord generally observed Mosaic Law, nehhh???
Obviously, if He were to be desirous of carrying a 20th century sidearm,
it would be John Moses Browning's M1911 !

The M1911A1 is a Protestant's false conceit, and
the P35 (Grand Puissance) is a Charismatic digression.


God, give me strength...
You apostates, heretics, infidels and Glock-owners alike...
Damn the whole stinking lot of ye!!!
:supergrin:

Eye Cutter
06-05-2006, 22:51
pweh! ang corny ng ending....

mas bagay kung si harrison ford ang kinuha nilang bida!

VICARA
06-05-2006, 22:53
oh, horge, you made me LOL with that last posting! cannot stop laughing my stomach hurts, napa-ihi pa 'ata ako!

btw, i totally agree, gotta be a 1911.

horge
06-05-2006, 23:18
Originally posted by VICARA
...napa-ihi pa 'ata ako!


According to our resident ante-christ,
that's as natural as sex and defecation.

Go and repent, thou sinner!
:clown:

i_am_infinity
06-05-2006, 23:21
Let me see how i can put this...i am not a catholic, but rather i am a Baptist by denomination. Although it contradicts a lot of Biblical teachings and Historical Facts a lot of people give attention to the details and information written in Dan Brown's book. Below is my observation of the 2 sides, one is the movie/book critic and the second, is the Religious implications.

here's my view regarding the book and the movie...movie critic muna, there were a lot of ommited scenes and dialogues in the movie that was in the book. the description of Langdon wasn't given justice by Tom Hanks at all. I do, however give Paul Bettany (Silas) and Ian McKellan (Leigh Teabing) my 2 Thmubs up for because they gave justice to their characters and indeed they were good actors. another disappointmenr for me was Audrey Tautou's acting, it had no emotions of any sort nor did she perform worhty of an Award, but overall i give it a 7 out of 10 being the highest.

Now comes the Religious part...

In the more serious note, in terms of Jesus' Deity according to some scholars that it would tarnish or even discredit His Godship since He was involved with a woman (a Prostitute for that matter), therefore it wipes off His being sinless and spotless and pure. Given that premise, instead of Jesus having One motivation and One objetive here comes Mary Magdalene. He desires her, Loves her and protects her, it directly contradicts what Jesus said in the garden of Gethsemane in the Gospel of Matthew "...not Mine but Thy Will be done..." if Jesus continued to desire for Mary then it would simply mean that Jesus was obviously doing His will and not that of His Fahter. So that's contradiction #1

Second, it speaks about Jesus giving to Mary the responsibility of the Church. First, let us clarify the wird Church. Thew Word Church which is Greek is Ekklesia which means "called out" in simple terms it means The Children of God or the "Body"( a body or organization of religious believers: as a : the whole body of Christians b : DENOMINATION c : CONGREGATION).In contrast to that Jesus is known to be the Head of the Church according to an epsitle of St. Paul the Apostle to the Ephesians. The second meaning of the word Church is "a building for public and especially Christian worship".

So what was really given? Peter was merely the caretaker of the Church. In the Gospel of Matthew, it says there that as Jesus was talking to the disciples He told Peter that the church would be built upon him "upon (by) this Rock (Petra). now, this was read in a different way. Let's magnify some details, according to the Bible that the Builder and Maker of the church is Christ himself; "I will build it". The church is a temple which Christ is the Builder of.

Peter, in greek (Petros) means Pebbles or little stone and in logical contrast can you build something with a foundation of pebbles and small stones? What about a Rock??? now that's a different story right?! Correct!! The greek word for Rock is (Petra). A Rock, it's large, and extends far, so does the church's foundation; and the more large, the more firm.

Let's look at this scenario when Jesus was talking to Peter..."by this rock, understand Christ; "Thou art Peter (Petros), thou hast the name of a stone, but upon this rock, pointing to himself, I will build my church." Perhaps he laid his hand on his breast. So it clearly shows that the Church wasn't handed down to Peter's hands. So Christ is still the Head of the church. Contradiction #2

Thirdly, Mary Magdalene was indeed a prostitute that was renewed and forgiven and given a fresh start. She was so grateful that she wanted to Serve God, who forgave her sins. Alam nya naman ang mga tao intrigero and intrigera!! If you search in history about the cover ups, it's all conspiracy theories of fanatics and people who has nothing better to do.

I could go on and fill up so much bandwidth and go on a never ending quest to show the contradictions of the Da Vinci Code, but let's leave it at that. It all boils down to your faith, how solid is your Faith? on what foundation is your faith standing on? i believe that the main reason that this movie and book came out is to challenge the credibility of Jesus and Him being God. It wasn't necessary to ban the movie since like everybody's saying it's FICTION!!! Probably the only reason the Vatican is condemning it is because maybe Dan Brown hit a wound that the Vatican hides...maybe?! Secret!!!

hehehe hanggan dyan na lang. :supergrin:

toxic
06-05-2006, 23:54
The public always has the last say on what to believe or not to believe.
People nowadays are smart enough to think for themselves and cannot be dictated by the Church or by leaders of any religious sects.

I havent seen the movie yet and i'm really intrigue of its content.

This issue is giving more publicity to the movie which makes movie goers more eager to watch it.

nyordak17
06-06-2006, 00:13
Scary...
Make sure you have the mirror.




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This is a DaVinci Code.
To decode. Read it
Infront of a mirror.

batangueno
06-06-2006, 00:26
:supergrin:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/batangueno/dvc.jpg

presidingglock
06-06-2006, 00:30
Originally posted by i_am_infinity


It all boils down to your faith, how solid is your Faith?

I agree it is a question of faith. Admittedly, I was not really affected by the book's "assault" against the divinity of Christ, but as a Catholic I think we should.

How would you feel if somebody wrote a book about your own father, depicting him as a rapist or thief etc. therein? Would your feelings be assuaged knowing that the book is only a work of fiction?

Speaking as a Catholic, I think Brown should be made accountable, to some extent, for the lies he is spreading against Jesus Christ.

But don't get me wrong guys, I would still watch the movie! :supergrin:

VICARA
06-06-2006, 01:08
Actually, in 1969, the Vatican cleared Mary Magdalene the title of a prostitute.

Magdalene was indeed labeled a prostitute by the Vatican; that is historical fact. Pope Gregory the Great gave Magdalene the title of prostitute in the sixth century,

but ...

According to Dr. Good, in 1969, the Vatican removed the title of prostitute from Mary Magdalene, and anointed her as a saint.


And for those who have not yet read the book or seen the movie, (i.e. mga kapatid sa Middle East)here's one good reading: WARNING: Its quite long!
-------------------------
Dan Brown's controversial religious thriller, "The Da Vinci Code," is a work of fiction. However, some who have read the novel or seen the recent film have begun taking upon the assumed role of "conspiracy theorist."

Responses to "The Da Vinci Code" have been on both ends of the religious spectrum. Some readers take the novel with a grain of salt, enjoying it for what Dan Brown says it is, while others see it as an eye-opening look at the modern day state of Christendom. Others still are beginning to see "The Da Vinci Code" not as a work of fiction, but as a change to the Bible itself.

Even three years after the book's release, one would be hard-pressed to find an available copy of "The Da Vinci Code" at a local library.

Hollywood has quickly jumped on board with the "Da Vinci Phenomenon," releasing the film version of the book just this past Friday. Directed by Ron Howard and starring Tom Hanks and Jean Reno, the film attempts to faithfully follow Dan Brown's novel. But as the saying goes, "I liked the book better."

Three years of hype, controversy and fanatical followings have cast many shadows of doubt onto the Christian religion. It seems not one person can read "The Da Vinci Code" and walk away from it without wanting to ask some very important questions.

A further look into the historical context of "The Da Vinci Code" attempts to answer these questions. It is crucial to examine all aspects of the arguments for and against the novel.

Did Jesus father a child with Mary Magdalene? Did the Priory of Sion actually exist? Was Leonardo Da Vinci trying to encode messages into his religious paintings? Were the Knights Templar the protectors of The Holy Grail?

In "The Da Vinci Code," the protagonist of the novel, Robert Langdon, discovers Leonardo Da Vinci was once a grand master of the secret society known as the Priory of Sion.

Brown contends Da Vinci himself was a great believer in the sacred feminine, and hid secret messages in two of his most famous works, "Madonna On The Rocks" and "The Last Supper."

In "The Da Vinci Code," Brown suggests that in "The Last Supper," the person sitting in the position of honor next to Christ was not his chief disciple, Paul. In fact, Brown suggests the person next to Christ is not even male, but rather Mary Magdalene, one of Christ's most devoted followers.

However, Dr. George Gorse, professor of Art History at Pomona College, contends many artists put symbols in their paintings, and not for the reasons suggested in "The Da Vinci Code."

Gorse also continues to say there are many depictions of Jesus' last supper, and all have John the Evangelist painted as an effeminate male. He also contends Da Vinci himself had a flair for the dramatic and the "V" shape in the middle of the painting was done for dramatic effect. Gorse finally contends Grail myth and legends started with Arthurial legends (King Arthur) and 19th Century Romanticism, not with the Renaissance.

Other art historians believe Da Vinci encoded the "V" symbol in the painting to immortalize the commissioner of the painting, Ludovico il Moro (some art historians say the letters L, V and M can be seen in the painting, representing Ludovico).

As for Da Vinci being a Priory of Sion grand master, Dan Burstein, editor of the nonfiction book "Secrets of the Code," contends it is impossible for Da Vinci to be a grand master of the Priory, as he was historically a loner. Also, Burstein says, according to Da Vinci's own journals and manuscripts, he was not ever known to be involved with any known religious order.

"The Da Vinci Code" goes on to suggest Magdalene was painted into "The Last Supper" to tell her true place in history. Not as a repentant prostitute, but as Jesus' wife and trusted advisor. Brown suggests in the novel that Magdalene was wrongfully given the title of prostitute by the Vatican as a smear campaign against women.

Magdalene was indeed labeled a prostitute by the Vatican; that is historical fact. Pope Gregory the Great gave Magdalene the title of prostitute in the sixth century, according to Dr. Dierdre Good of the General Theological Seminary.

Dr. Good contends Pope Gregory labeled her as a prostitute not as slander against women, but as a symbolic gesture that "... even with the sense of sin and worthlessness, God loved them enough to restore them to grace."

If the church had been out to hide a secret that Jesus had been married as "The Da Vinci Code" claims, it was done in a very peculiar way. According to Dr. Good, in 1969, the Vatican removed the title of prostitute from Mary Magdalene, and anointed her as a saint.

In "The Da Vinci Code," Brown not only suggests Magdalene was married to Christ but also that she carried and gave birth to a daughter, Sarah. The novel then suggests that Jesus' and Mary's bloodline lived on through Sarah and married into a Dark Age dynasty of French kings known to historians as the Merovingians.

History books have two conflicting legends dealing with Sarah. In both legends, Mary flees from Jerusalem to Egypt. According to the legends, Mary raises Sarah in Alexandria until the age of twelve and travels in a boat without oars to the southern coast of Gaul (modern-day France), to the village of Sainte Maries de la Mer.

According to Dr. Good, most of the legends dealing with Sarah and Mary Magdalene have them both ending up in Gaul. However, she also contends most historical texts refer to Sarah as an Egyptian servant girl, not as the daughter of Mary Magdalene.

The "Da Vinci Code" goes on to suggest the bloodline of Christ and Magdalene is carried on by marriage into the Merovingian bloodline.

The Merovingians ruled Gaul until 751 A.D. when the last Merovingian king, Dagobert II, was killed on a hunting expedition.

Historical texts like "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" state the Merovingian bloodline continued into the 11th century, when in 1099 the Turks were driven out of Jerusalem.

"The Da Vinci Code" suggests at this time in history, the Priory of Sion and the Knights Templar were founded.

The Knights Templar, as portrayed in Brown's novel, are the military arm of the Priory of Sion. In the novel, the Knights supposedly amassed a great deal of wealth very quickly. This wealth was gained by the Knights finding what "The Da Vinci Code" refers to as the "Sang Real documents."

Brown contends these documents provided proof of a royal bloodline dating back to Christ. With the documents in hand, Brown suggests the Knights Templar blackmailed the Vatican, and thus explained their quick rise to power.

"The Da Vinci Code" also goes on to suggest the Knights Templar quickly gained the ire of the French Monarchy and the Vatican.

Brown states King Phillip IV and Pope Clement V sent secret orders to military officers, to be opened simultaneously, that accused the Knights Templar of heresy against the church and had them rounded up, tortured and then executed as an act of revenge for blackmailing the Vatican.

Historians however, have an entirely different view of the Knights Templar. Dr. Karen Ralls, author of "The Templars and the Grail," states the Knights Templar amassed their wealth by doing certain tasks for which the organization was formed.

Dr. Ralls contends The Knights Templar were formed to protect Christian pilgrims on their journey to the Holy Land. She also goes on to say the Knights Templar were responsible for the first international banking system.

Dr. Ralls also contends the Knights Templar were not heretics and that King Phillip IV and Pope Clement V simply feared the Knights' respect and power with the nobles of Europe. Dr. Ralls suggests the Knights Templar were executed out of that fear and nothing else.

Dr. Ralls finally suggests The Knights Templar were disbanded because the Holy Land reverted to Muslim control in 1312, the year historical texts point to as the end of the Knights Templar.

All of this information is centered on one group in particular: the Priory of Sion. According to "The Da Vinci Code," the Priory of Sion is a secret society of Catholics charged with protecting the information of the royal bloodline until a descendant of Christ chose to reveal his or herself to the world.

In the first page of "The Da Vinci Code," Brown suggests the Priory of Sion is an actual organization, still functioning today. The Priory of Sion, as Brown suggests, was discovered by Berenger Saunière at Rennes-le-Chateau in the late 1800s.

Brown goes on to say that Saunière found a set of documents known as the "Dossiers Secrets" in a Visigoth column in the castle.

In "The Da Vinci Code," the "Dossiers Secrets" were papers proving the existence of the Priory of Sion that gave a list of grand masters of the Priory since its foundation and gave genealogy lists of the Merovingian kings.

The book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln was the first text to tie the Merovingians and the royal bloodline together.

The "Dossiers Secrets" were found in the National Library of France in Paris in 1976 by the French journalist Jean-Luc Chaumeil. Chaumeil did an expose about the "Dossiers Secrets" in a local Paris newspaper.

History sees the Priory of Sion in a different light. Richard Leigh, co-author of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," contends that in researching the book, he and his co-authors did in fact find historical reference to the Priory of Sion.

According to Leigh, land transfer documents show a medieval Catholic order known as the Priory of Sion. It was in place until 1619, and then handed over to the Jesuits and disbanded. Leigh contends there is no other historical evidence of the Priory of Sion until 1956.

At this time, a French nationalist by the name of Pierre Plantard establishes the Priory of Sion with the French government.

According to Jean-Luc Chaumeil, he interviewed Plantard about his involvement with the Priory of Sion. Chaumeil contends Plantard and his group placed the "Dossiers Secrets" in the library in Paris.

Chaumeil also goes on to say that for the past thirty years, the French public has known the "Dossiers Secret" to be a forgery by Plantard as an attempt to solidify his status as a "Lost King" of the Merovingian bloodline.

Chaumeil finally contends that upon the release of the book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," Plantard mailed him a 44-page document in which Plantard confesses to forging the "Dossiers Secret."

In essence, history sees "The Da Vinci Code" and "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" as books based upon an ideology brought about by allegedly forged documents.

The past three years have been a whirlwind of religious controversy. Dan Brown has publicly stated in one interview that the novel is pure fiction, but then has said in a separate interview that the book draws on fact and that the rituals in the book are based on fact.

No matter the reality, readers are left to their own conclusions about the truth of Mary Magdalene and the Holy Grail.

Whether faith or historical fact dictates one's opinion, "The Da Vinci Code" has without a doubt given a once forgotten subject a new audience. Because of "The Da Vinci Code," religion has found itself a whole new controversy.

3kings
06-06-2006, 03:31
siguro mas maganda pag ang tanong is....

what will be the effect on the religion if da vinci code was real? what if lang po.

if its real, takbo agad kay bishop rosales at kunin ko ang dinonate ng lolo ko na kalupaan nung panahon ng kastila....lol

wingz
06-06-2006, 03:46
It really feels goooood to be a BOG, enters another rope beating topic. If you can't post;... you can lurk. What a thread.., keep it coming guys. Me posting? Don't bother, i have'nt entered the church since i got married 5 years ago! :supergrin: :supergrin: :supergrin:

toxic
06-06-2006, 04:30
Originally posted by VICARA
Actually, in 1969, the Vatican cleared Mary Magdalene the title of a prostitute.

Magdalene was indeed labeled a prostitute by the Vatican; that is historical fact. Pope Gregory the Great gave Magdalene the title of prostitute in the sixth century,

but ...

According to Dr. Good, in 1969, the Vatican removed the title of prostitute from Mary Magdalene, and anointed her as a saint.


And for those who have not yet read the book or seen the movie, (i.e. mga kapatid sa Middle East)here's one good reading: WARNING: Its quite long!
-------------------------
Dan Brown's controversial religious thriller, "The Da Vinci Code," is a work of fiction. However, some who have read the novel or seen the recent film have begun taking upon the assumed role of "conspiracy theorist."

Responses to "The Da Vinci Code" have been on both ends of the religious spectrum. Some readers take the novel with a grain of salt, enjoying it for what Dan Brown says it is, while others see it as an eye-opening look at the modern day state of Christendom. Others still are beginning to see "The Da Vinci Code" not as a work of fiction, but as a change to the Bible itself.

Even three years after the book's release, one would be hard-pressed to find an available copy of "The Da Vinci Code" at a local library.

Hollywood has quickly jumped on board with the "Da Vinci Phenomenon," releasing the film version of the book just this past Friday. Directed by Ron Howard and starring Tom Hanks and Jean Reno, the film attempts to faithfully follow Dan Brown's novel. But as the saying goes, "I liked the book better."

Three years of hype, controversy and fanatical followings have cast many shadows of doubt onto the Christian religion. It seems not one person can read "The Da Vinci Code" and walk away from it without wanting to ask some very important questions.

A further look into the historical context of "The Da Vinci Code" attempts to answer these questions. It is crucial to examine all aspects of the arguments for and against the novel.

Did Jesus father a child with Mary Magdalene? Did the Priory of Sion actually exist? Was Leonardo Da Vinci trying to encode messages into his religious paintings? Were the Knights Templar the protectors of The Holy Grail?

In "The Da Vinci Code," the protagonist of the novel, Robert Langdon, discovers Leonardo Da Vinci was once a grand master of the secret society known as the Priory of Sion.

Brown contends Da Vinci himself was a great believer in the sacred feminine, and hid secret messages in two of his most famous works, "Madonna On The Rocks" and "The Last Supper."

In "The Da Vinci Code," Brown suggests that in "The Last Supper," the person sitting in the position of honor next to Christ was not his chief disciple, Paul. In fact, Brown suggests the person next to Christ is not even male, but rather Mary Magdalene, one of Christ's most devoted followers.

However, Dr. George Gorse, professor of Art History at Pomona College, contends many artists put symbols in their paintings, and not for the reasons suggested in "The Da Vinci Code."

Gorse also continues to say there are many depictions of Jesus' last supper, and all have John the Evangelist painted as an effeminate male. He also contends Da Vinci himself had a flair for the dramatic and the "V" shape in the middle of the painting was done for dramatic effect. Gorse finally contends Grail myth and legends started with Arthurial legends (King Arthur) and 19th Century Romanticism, not with the Renaissance.

Other art historians believe Da Vinci encoded the "V" symbol in the painting to immortalize the commissioner of the painting, Ludovico il Moro (some art historians say the letters L, V and M can be seen in the painting, representing Ludovico).

As for Da Vinci being a Priory of Sion grand master, Dan Burstein, editor of the nonfiction book "Secrets of the Code," contends it is impossible for Da Vinci to be a grand master of the Priory, as he was historically a loner. Also, Burstein says, according to Da Vinci's own journals and manuscripts, he was not ever known to be involved with any known religious order.

"The Da Vinci Code" goes on to suggest Magdalene was painted into "The Last Supper" to tell her true place in history. Not as a repentant prostitute, but as Jesus' wife and trusted advisor. Brown suggests in the novel that Magdalene was wrongfully given the title of prostitute by the Vatican as a smear campaign against women.

Magdalene was indeed labeled a prostitute by the Vatican; that is historical fact. Pope Gregory the Great gave Magdalene the title of prostitute in the sixth century, according to Dr. Dierdre Good of the General Theological Seminary.

Dr. Good contends Pope Gregory labeled her as a prostitute not as slander against women, but as a symbolic gesture that "... even with the sense of sin and worthlessness, God loved them enough to restore them to grace."

If the church had been out to hide a secret that Jesus had been married as "The Da Vinci Code" claims, it was done in a very peculiar way. According to Dr. Good, in 1969, the Vatican removed the title of prostitute from Mary Magdalene, and anointed her as a saint.

In "The Da Vinci Code," Brown not only suggests Magdalene was married to Christ but also that she carried and gave birth to a daughter, Sarah. The novel then suggests that Jesus' and Mary's bloodline lived on through Sarah and married into a Dark Age dynasty of French kings known to historians as the Merovingians.

History books have two conflicting legends dealing with Sarah. In both legends, Mary flees from Jerusalem to Egypt. According to the legends, Mary raises Sarah in Alexandria until the age of twelve and travels in a boat without oars to the southern coast of Gaul (modern-day France), to the village of Sainte Maries de la Mer.

According to Dr. Good, most of the legends dealing with Sarah and Mary Magdalene have them both ending up in Gaul. However, she also contends most historical texts refer to Sarah as an Egyptian servant girl, not as the daughter of Mary Magdalene.

The "Da Vinci Code" goes on to suggest the bloodline of Christ and Magdalene is carried on by marriage into the Merovingian bloodline.

The Merovingians ruled Gaul until 751 A.D. when the last Merovingian king, Dagobert II, was killed on a hunting expedition.

Historical texts like "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" state the Merovingian bloodline continued into the 11th century, when in 1099 the Turks were driven out of Jerusalem.

"The Da Vinci Code" suggests at this time in history, the Priory of Sion and the Knights Templar were founded.

The Knights Templar, as portrayed in Brown's novel, are the military arm of the Priory of Sion. In the novel, the Knights supposedly amassed a great deal of wealth very quickly. This wealth was gained by the Knights finding what "The Da Vinci Code" refers to as the "Sang Real documents."

Brown contends these documents provided proof of a royal bloodline dating back to Christ. With the documents in hand, Brown suggests the Knights Templar blackmailed the Vatican, and thus explained their quick rise to power.

"The Da Vinci Code" also goes on to suggest the Knights Templar quickly gained the ire of the French Monarchy and the Vatican.

Brown states King Phillip IV and Pope Clement V sent secret orders to military officers, to be opened simultaneously, that accused the Knights Templar of heresy against the church and had them rounded up, tortured and then executed as an act of revenge for blackmailing the Vatican.

Historians however, have an entirely different view of the Knights Templar. Dr. Karen Ralls, author of "The Templars and the Grail," states the Knights Templar amassed their wealth by doing certain tasks for which the organization was formed.

Dr. Ralls contends The Knights Templar were formed to protect Christian pilgrims on their journey to the Holy Land. She also goes on to say the Knights Templar were responsible for the first international banking system.

Dr. Ralls also contends the Knights Templar were not heretics and that King Phillip IV and Pope Clement V simply feared the Knights' respect and power with the nobles of Europe. Dr. Ralls suggests the Knights Templar were executed out of that fear and nothing else.

Dr. Ralls finally suggests The Knights Templar were disbanded because the Holy Land reverted to Muslim control in 1312, the year historical texts point to as the end of the Knights Templar.

All of this information is centered on one group in particular: the Priory of Sion. According to "The Da Vinci Code," the Priory of Sion is a secret society of Catholics charged with protecting the information of the royal bloodline until a descendant of Christ chose to reveal his or herself to the world.

In the first page of "The Da Vinci Code," Brown suggests the Priory of Sion is an actual organization, still functioning today. The Priory of Sion, as Brown suggests, was discovered by Berenger Saunière at Rennes-le-Chateau in the late 1800s.

Brown goes on to say that Saunière found a set of documents known as the "Dossiers Secrets" in a Visigoth column in the castle.

In "The Da Vinci Code," the "Dossiers Secrets" were papers proving the existence of the Priory of Sion that gave a list of grand masters of the Priory since its foundation and gave genealogy lists of the Merovingian kings.

The book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln was the first text to tie the Merovingians and the royal bloodline together.

The "Dossiers Secrets" were found in the National Library of France in Paris in 1976 by the French journalist Jean-Luc Chaumeil. Chaumeil did an expose about the "Dossiers Secrets" in a local Paris newspaper.

History sees the Priory of Sion in a different light. Richard Leigh, co-author of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," contends that in researching the book, he and his co-authors did in fact find historical reference to the Priory of Sion.

According to Leigh, land transfer documents show a medieval Catholic order known as the Priory of Sion. It was in place until 1619, and then handed over to the Jesuits and disbanded. Leigh contends there is no other historical evidence of the Priory of Sion until 1956.

At this time, a French nationalist by the name of Pierre Plantard establishes the Priory of Sion with the French government.

According to Jean-Luc Chaumeil, he interviewed Plantard about his involvement with the Priory of Sion. Chaumeil contends Plantard and his group placed the "Dossiers Secrets" in the library in Paris.

Chaumeil also goes on to say that for the past thirty years, the French public has known the "Dossiers Secret" to be a forgery by Plantard as an attempt to solidify his status as a "Lost King" of the Merovingian bloodline.

Chaumeil finally contends that upon the release of the book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," Plantard mailed him a 44-page document in which Plantard confesses to forging the "Dossiers Secret."

In essence, history sees "The Da Vinci Code" and "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" as books based upon an ideology brought about by allegedly forged documents.

The past three years have been a whirlwind of religious controversy. Dan Brown has publicly stated in one interview that the novel is pure fiction, but then has said in a separate interview that the book draws on fact and that the rituals in the book are based on fact.

No matter the reality, readers are left to their own conclusions about the truth of Mary Magdalene and the Holy Grail.

Whether faith or historical fact dictates one's opinion, "The Da Vinci Code" has without a doubt given a once forgotten subject a new audience. Because of "The Da Vinci Code," religion has found itself a whole new controversy.


mahaba nga sumakit mga mata ko and neurons(whatevers left of it) :supergrin:

antediluvianist
06-06-2006, 04:31
"Don't bother, i have'nt entered the church since i got married 5 years ago!"

Hah! I beat that ! (But then, I'm 60 years old.)

Doesn't matter. Good to get the Last Rights just in case. I'm a Jesuit product. Jesuits are kind of relaxed about rituals . In gradeschool I was under Dominican nuns. Good God!

Has anybody checked out being a "Unitarian Universalist"? You don't have to believe anything really, and nobody is supposed to tell you what to believe, and most probably everybody will eventually get to Heaven anyway, through their own individual routes. Now, that's a religion I can do.

The older I get the more I start to believe in ancestor worship. So, eventually I will be worshipped. Sounds good to me.

nrmcolt
06-06-2006, 04:33
The Lord generally observed Mosaic Law, nehhh???
Obviously, if He were to be desirous of carrying a 20th century sidearm,
it would be John Moses Browning's M1911 !
:thumbsup:


:beer:

nrmcolt
06-06-2006, 04:37
mas bagay kung si harrison ford ang kinuha nilang bida!
+1

i_am_infinity
06-06-2006, 05:58
Originally posted by 3kings
siguro mas maganda pag ang tanong is....

what will be the effect on the religion if da vinci code was real? what if lang po.


The whole Religion of Christianity would fall apart, the foundation itself will be torn down by a Fact that was being kept from the people.

But to all who are God fearing, whether Jesus indeed had a relationship with Mary Magdalene or not should not be an Issue at all.

Btw, i agree na dapat nga si harrison ford ang gumanap.

O nga pala, i read in one of our newspapers about 2weeks ago that some Islamic countries have protested the showing of that movie since they said that Jesus is also a Religious Figure (prophet) in the Quran...

Alexii
06-06-2006, 06:45
I don't know, but it was mentioned somewhere in the book that Robert Langdon resembled a younger Harrison Ford, I think. I was thinking along the lines of Ralph Fiennes or Aaron Eckart would be more Langdon-ish while I was reading the book.

For those who haven't read the book yet, try the illustrated version of the book. The extra cost of the illustrated version is well worth it. It certainly aids in the imagination department (just the photo of the 'cilice belt' elicits pain).

jasonub
06-06-2006, 07:18
how about the opus dei? Sino ba dito Opus? Anyway, i know someone who is a member in good standing who bribes people to get his way even if it would hurt a relative:freak:

antediluvianist
06-06-2006, 07:26
Well, there's Kit Tatad, the trying-hard ex-Marcos politico who gives the word "laos" new meaning. .

horge
06-06-2006, 07:27
Originally posted by batangueno
:supergrin:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/batangueno/dvc.jpg
Effin' priceless, Paul. :supergrin:
Where the hell did you find that?

.

Originally posted by manong ante
But then, I'm 60 years old.
What???
I had you pegged as the oldest BoG'er!
So Joji's got you beat, then?
He's looks over 80, even after all the nip/tuck...

:uglylol:

Eye Cutter
06-06-2006, 07:33
dun sa mga novels ni david morell, mga jesuits naman ang contravida...

:clown:

mga capuchins naman nagpalaki sa akin. but when i got to UP, what an eye opener!

antediluvianist
06-06-2006, 07:41
"mga capuchins naman nagpalaki sa akin. but when i got to UP, what an eye opener!"

Yes, I sent my daughter to that Opus Dei school Woodrose for gradeschool and highschool (well, it was near my house), but I insisted that she go to U.P. for college, to balance off all that elitist holy-holy stuff. It was a good idea.

(Hey, before you can put your kid into Woodrose, they "interview" you about whether you have a crucifix in your bedroom, how often you go to confession, why you don't have more children, things like that. Well of course you lie through your teeth to get your kid in, but man, I felt like they wanted my wife and I to strip off and do it right there to produce more children. You want to see a human go nuts? Show a condom to an Opus Dei member. Anyway.....)

Eye Cutter
06-06-2006, 07:49
the next question is....

who controls hollywood?????

... who else but the jews! they sure know how to make a ton of moolah! hahahaha!

:cool:

st. matthew
06-06-2006, 08:37
all i can say after watching the movie is, Audrey is pretty in these movie:)

mc_oliver
06-06-2006, 14:34
Originally posted by horge
It is terribly hard work wading through all their bullshat to find what I showed up for, but at least they don't charge
for admission.


h.
horge, close your ears and open your eyes. If you don't see anything you like, spend some time church-hopping.;) nyhehehehe :supergrin: :supergrin:

horge
06-06-2006, 16:35
Ah, well...


I was 'invited' by Opus Dei in '82.
Samar Study Center was reasonably close to where
I was staying at the time. To be fair, there is
nothing questionable in the early stages of
inclusion: the Latin Tridentines, the Scriptural
study and discussion, and encouraging us to
define what mission God had intended for us
during our mortal tenancy.

The problem was that, even a cursory glance at
the older, well-heeled membership turned up many
a character that didn't seem to put piety into
word nor deed. Actually, those characters did
and said many things that were decidedly sinful.

I excused myself about a month and a half into
the thing. Oh, they'd call to inquire why I wasn't
attending, with decreasing frequency, over the
next six months or so.

My impression is that Opus Dei in the Philippines
was subverted by Filipino culture:

Group loyalty trumps morals or even logic.
People who should correct internal sinfulness live
not in fear of God, but of incurring the ire of the
big-name sinners they ought to be setting straight.

There are those who indeed do God's work, but too
large a number hold a mirror to Philippine politics:
brave only in showing cultus-loyalty to some bigwig
sinner, but cowards in their duty to God, to truth,
to faith, and to righteousness.


h.

Eye Cutter
06-06-2006, 17:02
http://photoscelebrites.online.fr/sophie-marceau/01/S_018.jpg

i was envisioning sophie marceau....

jasonub
06-06-2006, 17:44
horge,

+1, I dont understand how they show off going to church daily, praying a lot etc and worship money more than God. Well, a lot of them, but i have not seen any of the minority yet:supergrin:

No offense to those who are members and doing Gods work properly, but im just pissed at this single one who is a relative:freak:

paltiq
06-07-2006, 00:57
dapat siguro ay tanungin din natin si Brod.Ely Soriano ukol dito sa DaVinci Code...ano kaya ang comment nya:upeyes:

toxic
06-07-2006, 02:16
For whats it worth , this controvercy would/could be a very good opportunity for the clerics to argue towards the lifting of the "Celibacy Rule" after all some of them are Salivating(oozing and all) to enter marriage.
Then again some of them have done it already under the noses of the church's heirarchy.

I know an ex priest back home who left the church ,he left coz he wanted to raise a family of his own he said (as i recall)that there were no regrets or what so ever that he was a priest before, its just the celibacy rule that he cant tolerate,in one occasion he mentioned that if priest are allowed to marry he will go back to serve the church, having a family he fully understand the meaning of life , he fully understand how people react in a sermon.

This is a classic: he said he cannot stand some priest who talks about purity, talking about devoting their lives for the church but engaging in an illegal relationship with a woman, some in a man to man relationship So why should i fool myself, i packed up my bags and left.

Eye Cutter
06-07-2006, 05:24
http://www.51wall.com/euroidol/Sophie_Marceau/pic/Sophie_Marceau_08.jpg

http://www.51wall.com/euroidol/Sophie_Marceau/pic/Sophie_Marceau_02.jpg

http://archives.usemycomputer.com/indeximages/2004/June/Sophie_Marceau38.JPG


i can't believe it! wala man lang nag react sa mga pics ni sophie marceau!

3kings
06-07-2006, 05:32
ec,
kung si tom cruise lagay mo dyan dami magrereact....:alien:

i_am_infinity
06-07-2006, 10:17
Originally posted by 3kings
ec,
kung si tom cruise lagay mo dyan dami magrereact....:alien:

:supergrin: :supergrin: :laughabove: :laughabove:

MR_BIG
06-07-2006, 17:27
Originally posted by Alexii
I don't know, but it was mentioned somewhere in the book that Robert Langdon resembled a younger Harrison Ford

i disagree with you there sir, he's too good looking and too macho for the part.

s.g
06-07-2006, 18:28
Doc,

Effective naman yung no reaction sa yo e, ayan dinagdagan mo tuloy yung pics, hehehe :supergrin:

Monica Bellucci meron ka? :rollsmiley:

Vault Keeper
06-07-2006, 19:01
Doc EC, it was only now that I got to read the thread...Sophie Marceau ....WOW! She's heaven sent! Thats why I enjoyed the movie of James Bond movie "The World is not Enough" and "Braveheart"

Would you mind being held like this with this lady on your lap...all the time??? I DON'T! :supergrin:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/myuching/th-fcstil_1076.jpg

Just my thoughts while going through this very interesting thread...

*Mary Margdalene as a prostitute...as the saying goes, only sick people need doctors..." Righteous people need not the same attention from God. But weather Magdalene and Jesus had a relationship is a different story...

*The divinity of Jesus Christ was only established when he died on the cross and asended to the Father. That was the very purpose of he's coming to the world as a "man", for us to be able to relate to the divine power of the Almighty.

*Indeed Christ and not Peter is the Head of the Church, as i_am_infinity ,mentioned, he is only the "caretaker" or overseer upon his return to the Father.

*And, who knows, all the bruhaha about boycotting came from Dan Brown himself! Just so he can create a noise (which he did) and sell more his book! And like Sir Jerrytrini who change his itinerary to see places mentioned in the book, people from the travel bureau of Italy can also be behind these to promot tourism.

*Lastly, the book is better than the movie...dami di pinakita sa movie that was vividly mentioned in the book.

BDW, our Parish Priest encouraged us to read and watch the movie...in the end, its your faith that will determine what you are...

Vault Keeper
06-07-2006, 19:20
Originally posted by s.g
Doc,

Effective naman yung no reaction sa yo e, ayan dinagdagan mo tuloy yung pics, hehehe :supergrin:

Monica Bellucci meron ka? :rollsmiley:

your wish is my command...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/myuching/monicca.jpg

s.g
06-07-2006, 19:53
Thanks Pre,

Ay! Nga pala, OK yang Da Vinci Code!
(Para di naman tayo off-topic......)
:)

toxic
06-08-2006, 03:20
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
http://www.51wall.com/euroidol/Sophie_Marceau/pic/Sophie_Marceau_08.jpg

http://www.51wall.com/euroidol/Sophie_Marceau/pic/Sophie_Marceau_02.jpg

http://archives.usemycomputer.com/indeximages/2004/June/Sophie_Marceau38.JPG


i can't believe it! wala man lang nag react sa mga pics ni sophie marceau!

di ako maka react Doc EC blocked yung images dito.
siguro pag medyo bata-bata yung mga photos makikita ko na dito:supergrin: