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horge
06-23-2006, 18:31
I was going to save this for the next BoG quiz, but what the duck.

Costing anywhere from an extra P3,500 up to as much as P6,000,
'non-appearance' processing of a new license obviously involves a lot more
than dealing with FED and PNP at Crame. The runner has to deal
with City Hall, the Municipal Trial Court, etc. ...
These represent substantial investments of time, say about
one morning each depending on distance between institutions.

However, at the end of all this prep work is having to deal with
PNP/FED in Camp Crame, Quezon City Metro Manila, and dealing with
FED is at the very HEART of the 'non-appearance' issue. Insofar as
the applicant's direct dealings with PNP-FED are concerned:

'Non-appearance' firearm license processing is not only legal, but
is standard operating procedure as per the PNP's own guidelines,
depending on where the license applicant is!

Provincial applications have no choice but to follow the non-appearance
route --Heck, it's not like Pedro or Pilar in the province are going to
haul butt to Camp Crame in Metro Manila for the photography!

Nope. What happens is that their provincial PNP commander accepts all
the requisite docs and fees, (you can get drug tested anywhere
nowadays, and gun safety seminars are supposed to be made available
on the provincial level) and then he sends 'em to Crame (FED) in Metro Manila.
FED takes a picture of the picture, and the machine spits out
a regular plastic FL card. That gets shipped back out to the
provincial PNP commander for release to the applicant.

Pedro and Pilar in the provinces are excused the long trip to FED.

Unfortunately, Juan Tamad and Bea Batugan in Metro Manila
have been avoiding the trip to FED, abusing a system that was set up
for provincial applications only.

That's lazy Manileņo BS, and Crame/FED no likee, no more.
I shouldn't have to describe the dangers in allowing further abuse,
'di ba?



Jason's old thread on the matter, if you read through his and others'
experiences personally dealing with FED, should be instructive:
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=340155

For License Renewals:
(from what I've experienced and heard from others)
Super easy.
If you get to FED before 9:30 in the morning with all the requirements,
you can be done with everything in well under an hour. If later
in the day, you're out of there in not much more.

For New License Apps:
(from what I've heard)
It takes a little over two hours, in and out of Crame, depending
on what time you get there.

hth,
:)
horge

isuzu
06-23-2006, 19:14
That is why we need a National ID Card. With just your Social Security Number, the government could access your records.

Leftists, those who want to stabilize the government, and criminals do not want this ID. It just takes a bunch of numbers to get your full information.

Here in Canada, the most important piece of ID aside from your driver's license is the Social Insurance Number. This is used to transact with the government, get a mortgage/loan from a bank or have them do a credit check.

Red tape and corruption will be cut down, if not, eliminated with just a single document to identify a person. Makes things simplier.

PMMA97
06-23-2006, 21:48
I can personally attest that renewals made through personal appearance at FED are much faster. But the PNP-FED should license the User and not the gun.

9MX
06-24-2006, 06:48
license renewal is now a breeze, had 2 guns renewed at the same time last year for less than 2k in less than an hour..now that is service!

as for new apps, it can be fast provided you did the necessary legwork in securing all those clearances. di ko type, tamad ako e.:clown:

which is why i hope the system would be changed to a model similar to vehicle ownership:cool:

horge
06-24-2006, 16:15
Originally posted by 9MX
...which is why i hope the system would be changed to a model similar to vehicle ownership:cool:


Amen to that, Mannix.

A single FOID/FL for handguns, renewable biennially and
possibly a different FOID/FL for long firearms, similarly
renewable. Practical skill-test upon initial application.

Of course, if one proposes 'minimum' firearm skills to
be universally applicable to all classes of firearms,
then a single FOID/FL for any and all gun types would be most
convenient for us consumers.

Firearm registration as we know it is already proceeding
along 'motor vehicle' lines: periodic registration of each
firearm possessed. So...

Switching to a single FOID/FL, the number of trips to FED aren't
likely to change; you just pay less overall (one license only), and
you can use third parties to renew your firearm registrations.

mc_oliver
06-25-2006, 05:02
Hi Horge. Swaying your topic to one side a bit, what do you know, rule-wise, about licensing for "switch-top" guns (one frame, two top ends of different calibers)?

Thanks.

Eye Cutter
06-25-2006, 05:50
i'll ask sa kakilala namin if this is possible

horge
06-25-2006, 07:26
Hi, Oliver

FED practices the registration of extra frames/receivers only, even
though under the law, barrels-and-chambers are considered firearms.
Slides don't seem to count, nor do extra revolver cylinders.

I asked some folk/staff at FED last January (but not Col. Po,
as he was out at the time), and they seemed to think of extra barrels
as 'accessories'. I mean, like ---does FED have a way to fingerprint
loose barrels?

Obviously if you submit a new firearm for registration/fingerprinting
WITH the extra upper included, then they'll probably fingerprint both
uppers. They MIGHT charge you double, but issue a single license with
two FA registrations:

Gun stores that sell extra frames ALREADY submit reg papers on them
to FED, with the buyer's name and info, for inclusion in FED's
database, so there IS additional reg, but apparently no additional
licensing (nor, obviously, additional license card)

If anyone has clearer info on this, please post it!

horge

mc_oliver
06-25-2006, 07:58
Wow you guys are fast! Appreciate the replies, thanks.

mikey177
06-25-2006, 20:10
Originally posted by 9MX
license renewal is now a breeze, had 2 guns renewed at the same time last year for less than 2k in less than an hour..now that is service!

What are the documentary requirements for license renewal now? Drug test? Neuro? Anything else?

Also, would you guys know if we need to submit proof (e.g. billing statements) in case we had a change of address that we want reflected in the new license?

i_am_infinity
06-25-2006, 20:16
I was told by a friend that barrels now are stamped with serial numbers and would need a license just for that barrel. if i'm not mistaken i thinh it was TwinPines where they found out about it since they were buying an iron side barrel...can anyone confirm this?

Young Once
06-25-2006, 20:22
I also heard that one no longer needs to present a "gun safety seminar certificate" so long as the fees for this (i believe abount P360.00) are paid and the receipt presented. Is this accurate? thanks.

i_am_infinity
06-27-2006, 09:01
Originally posted by Young Once
I also heard that one no longer needs to present a "gun safety seminar certificate" so long as the fees for this (i believe abount P360.00) are paid and the receipt presented. Is this accurate? thanks.

this is only applicable for renewals and not for New applications...

Eye Cutter
06-27-2006, 18:37
mco: i asked the one who facilitates our renewals. hindi raw pwede 2 topends with only 1 frame and same serial no. kahit supplemental license. ay ewan!

Young Once
06-27-2006, 21:30
Thanks, infinity.

mc_oliver
06-28-2006, 12:21
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
mco: i asked the one who facilitates our renewals. hindi raw pwede 2 topends with only 1 frame and same serial no. kahit supplemental license. ay ewan!
Gulo nga eh. Thanks Doc.

Eye Cutter
06-28-2006, 16:28
e kung disassembled ang pistol during transport? ibaon mo yung topend ng 40 and .38?

SMBeerDealer
06-28-2006, 20:35
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
mco: i asked the one who facilitates our renewals. hindi raw pwede 2 topends with only 1 frame and same serial no. kahit supplemental license. ay ewan!

I know someone who owns 1 frame and 3 top ends. One in .38 Super, .40, and .45. He has 3 separate licenses as if they were 3 different guns. Bigat nga daw sa renewal. He's stuck with the gun for life as no one wants to buy all 3. :supergrin:

mc_oliver
06-29-2006, 13:27
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
e kung disassembled ang pistol during transport? ibaon mo yung topend ng 40 and .38?
I've thought of that, kaso what if sasakay ako eroplano? Hasel na papa-register ko nalang siguro pag nabuo na.

Eye Cutter
06-29-2006, 17:45
ang solution dyan, kelangan punong puno ng grasa at langis pistol and parts mo para hindi na hahawakan for fear na madumihan manicured fingers nila during inspection!

hahahaa!!!:supergrin: