Wolf Military Classic ammo

[454]

Just FYI, Wolf IS subcontracting its ammo! I bought a case and a half of Wolf Military Classic (HP and FMJ mix), and it has Ulyanovsk headstamp, a circle with 2 arrows. It is new production, camo-colored boxes.

I've heard that Ulyanovsk ammo was better than TCW, we'll see.

[Tacticalweapon]

Originally posted by 454
Just FYI, Wolf IS subcontracting its ammo! I bought a case and a half of Wolf Military Classic (HP and FMJ mix), and it has Ulyanovsk headstamp, a circle with 2 arrows. It is new production, camo-colored boxes.

I've heard that Ulyanovsk ammo was better than TCW, we'll see.


I fired some of this out of my Vepr II in 7.62x39 and couldn't believe the accuracy difference. We were looking at the box to see what was different about it. Now I know.

[454]

Nice! I'll shoot my case of polymer Wolf first, and keep Uly for later! I cleaned out Sporstsman's Warehouse last week.

Maybe they'll get more in....

New polymer-coated Wolf ammo was not sealed at the case mouth, Wolf Classic was.

[50 Cent]

Yeah, supposedly the Uly bullet is...um...renowned? for its accuracy and CERTAINLY for its fragmentation abilities.

This ammo is my SHTF stash.

[John W in SC]

What are the differences between FMJ and HP? (Other than the hole in the end, guys!) Both have steel in the jacket? Either one penitrate better? Velocity or accuracy? I see it selling for about the same as Silver Bear, and I'm trying to decide which to stock up with.

Thanks!

John W in SC

[454]

HP is more accurate, slightly better ballistic coefficient. Both are bimetal--copper washed steel jackets. Penetration is about the same, with a slight edge to FMJ. FMJ has an air pocket that makes it tumble, once it hits soft tissue. I prefer HP.

BTW regular Wolf--polymer coated-- HP is MUCH more accurate than FMJ.

Silver Bear has water-solubale case coating. I try to stay away from it. It is accurate, but Brown Bear is just as accurate, and has regular green laquer.

Bears are loaded hotter than regular (black box TCW) ammo, but seeing that Wolf Classic is re-packaged Uly ammo, it should be just as hot as Bears and hotter than TCW.

If you come across any Bear ammo made in Novosibirsk--grab it. That plant makes sniper ammo for the Russians. Barnaul-made Bears are just as accurate also.

[DriBak]

Who has this IN STOCK now?

[454]

Originally posted by DriBak
Who has this IN STOCK now?

Cabelas's does, $154.99 per 1000. With their $20 off coupon it is not bad. I shot some last weekend--FMJ Wolf Mil Classic WAS more accurate than Polymer-coated HP Wolf. Different point of impact--about 3" higher at 100 yards, and smaller groups. My Vepr has a 20" barrel, YMMV.
Also, Sportsman's warehouse gets WC in from time to time.

[Ramses II]

Do you have the code for SG's $20 coupon? I only have the $10:sad:
Thanks

[454]

I have Cabela's--they send me a couple times a year in annual catalogs, but not Sportsman's Guide. I've seen WMC in sportsman's WArehouse, not SG :)

[Stud Duck]

What's the purpose of a lacquer coating?

[454]

Russians/Soviet Bloc countries use steel for the casings. Laquer protects ammo from rusting thru. It works fine, but it tends to gum up actions in some ARs. That's why Wolf developed polymer coating, and Silver Bear and Golden Bear use non-corrosive metal washes.
WMC uses laquer, it runs great in AKs a, is far more accurate than new gray polymer-coated Wolf.

[Remander]

Could someone in the know explain to me, like I am a third grader, the difference between the ordinary Wolf AK ammo in the black boxes and the stuff in the cammo boxes?

Thanks for schooling me.

[454]

Normal black box ammo is made by Tula Cartridge Works (TCW) and some of it is subcontracted to Serbis, IIRC (the Serbia part) Cases have "Wolf" written on the bottom. It is OK for plinking, but accuracy-wise---well there is very little of it. HP TCW ammo is decent, far more accurate than FMJ. It uses the same bullet (steel with copper wash) as FMJ, but the tip is cut off. It exposes the air pocket that 7.62x39 FMJ bullets have, and creates a hollow-point projectile.
Mild steel cases are coated with gray polymer to prevent rust and help with extraction.

Camo-boxed ammo is made in Ulyanovsk, another city in Russia. Construction is similar, but execution is much better. Powder charges are more consistent+different powder (different smell and cleaner burning)-->more consistent point of impact, more accurate. It also seems to be loaded to higher velocities than TCW ammo. The air pocket on a bullet looks bigger--more yawing when it hits a soft target. Cases are coated with regular East Bloc green laquer. They work great in AKs, that's what the rifle was designed to shoot.

Cases have a circle with wavy arrows ponting in opposite direction-Uly trademark.

My first choice out of them two would be Camo HP, then camo FMJ, black box HP, ans black box FMJ last.

Feel free to PM me.

Here is a link to a good AK primer. Info is slightly out of date, but it is worth reading. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jfreeman246/ak_rifle_ammo.htm