no paperwork??

[brass308]

Ok, so I work for the local PD and some of us were kicking around a few ideas today about some full auto/NFA topics. We didn't really know the answers to much of anything so I figured I'd check around here. These questions apply to AR15 type rifles.

-If a guy were to have a lower that was once full auto but switched to semi only, is there a problem with that?

-You can't own a short upper and a non-NFA lower at the same time right? But you can own just the upper, right?

-What if a guy does have a full auto lower but no paperwork? Could he just throw away the parts and put in a new trigger group? This kindof goes along with the first question.

Thanks all.

[Glockdude1]

Originally posted by brass308
Ok, so I work for the local PD and some of us were kicking around a few ideas today about some full auto/NFA topics. We didn't really know the answers to much of anything so I figured I'd check around here. These questions apply to AR15 type rifles.

-If a guy were to have a lower that was once full auto but switched to semi only, is there a problem with that?

-You can't own a short upper and a non-NFA lower at the same time right? But you can own just the upper, right?

-What if a guy does have a full auto lower but no paperwork? Could he just throw away the parts and put in a new trigger group? This kindof goes along with the first question.

Thanks all.

1) Full auto lower. Once a machine gun, always a machine gun.

2) Short upper (less than 16", Legal as a SBR). If you buy a "pistol" AR, then the short upper is allowed, no paper work, unless you want to add a butt stock. Then it needs the $200 tax stamp.

3) Full auto, no paperwork? Stolen? :cop: :crazy:

:supergrin:

[brass308]

Originally posted by Glockdude1
1) Full auto lower. Once a machine gun, always a machine gun.

Problem solved. It turned out to just be a gun with a broken part allowing it to 'not stop' when the trigger was squeezed. The bad parts were replaced and pitched and everything is right with the world. It was just a regular AR lower, with only two holes drilled and everything.


ALL BETTER :banana:

Cheers

[JWP]

that's much better than anal probing by batfe/fbi/bubba in club fed - unless you are really leo - then the courts seem to give a pass on club fed - unlike civilians

[Cali-Glock]

Originally posted by Glockdude1

3) Full auto, no paperwork? Stolen? :cop: :crazy:

:supergrin:

I had an employee who mentioned that he had an M2 Carbine he inherited from his father that had been carried by his Grandfather during WWII. Being that we are in California, I suggested that he was mistaken and he had an M1 Carbine. Nope, he described it, and it's function, sure enough he appears to have an M2 Carbine. I politely explain about NFA laws and that you can't own NFA weapons in California.

This guy was incredulous. The gun had been passed down now to the third generation, and he refused to beleve it was not legal, and sure as heck was not going to give it up. "But it was my Grandfathers!"

I suggested he not mention to folks that he has an M2 Carbine, and if he must refer to it, refer to it only as an M1 Carbine, and further suggested that he might want to look into swapping out the M2 parts for M1 parts. Still illegal, but as I understand it there are quite a few M2s with M1 parts floating around with no one (including the owners) the wiser.

[Glockdude1]

Cali-Glock

There is probably quite a few machine guns that were brought back by G.I.'s, packed away all over the U.S. In a seperate thread, it was mentioned a near perfect WW2 Thompson SMG was turned in, during a buy back program.

That is why I do my best to go to every estate sale I can, you just never know what you may find.

:thumbsup:

[Firecop203]

The answer to this one is simple. The difference between the M1-/M-2 are only a few parts inside that make a M-2 full auto. Remove the full auto parts and destroy them and replace them with semi auto parts and it becomes an M-1. All the parts can be changed without any modifications to the rifle.

[Ninja Monkey]

Except apparently the BATF considers any war baby marked as an M2 to be a machine gun, even though there's no functional difference between an M1 receiver and an M2 receiver other than the markings.

[budam]

Originally posted by brass308
-If a guy were to have a lower that was once full auto but switched to semi only, is there a problem with that?


To clarify a point...

If it was FA because of a DIAS or LL, then the "once a machine gun, always a machine gun", is unlikely to be true - there are some exceptions with DIAS linked to lower.

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