PT1911 hits 1000+

[sjstill]

Over 1000 round count on the Taurus PT1911. Only bobble so far is the setscrew on the rear sight came loose.

Still trying my best to break it. Hasn't happened yet.

I think Taurus has a winner on their hands.

Still, IMO does NOT compare to a 2100.00 pistol, no matter what the ads say :supergrin:

[auto45]

Sounds like a "winner" to me.

Hopefully, no one believes the $2100 comparison either and I haven't even seen the Taurus yet...don't have to. ;)

But, I'm assuming it's a good comparison to 1911's in the $800-$1,000+ range which is the cheapest, I think, you can see checkering on production models.

At $500-$600 the Taurus would be a great buy if it's reliable and reasonablly accurate. I don't like the sight setup and I've read the finish is not durable, but at those prices, that's not much to give up IMO. I've "read" that Heine will be coming out with a proper fitting sight.

You almost always have to give up something for lower prices...just depends on what it is. :)

[68rcodemustang]

I have around 800 rounds through mine with zero problems. It is my favorite and most accurate 1911.

[LonghornGlock]

Thanks for the update Sjstill, I've only taking mine out once, 120 flawless rounds. As much as I like my Taurus I now got the 1911 bug and want another. I'm looking hard at a fullsize Colt XSE SS for a little under $800. You or anybody else have much experience with this model? Is it worth it to add to the stable or compared to the Taurus is it a little underwhelming for the price? Thanks.

[engineer151515]

Gunshow this weekend.

Maybe I'll find one. :)

[stepper]

I bought one yesterday. I put 100 rounds of Blazer Brass through it. Very nice. I'm impressed so far.

[Rinspeed]

I think it's great you guys are not having problems. I agree Taurus for the money has done a great job.

[okie]

Sounds good to me my friend:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[ShootCraps]

Originally posted by engineer151515
Gunshow this weekend.

Maybe I'll find one. :)


+1911!! Still wanting to see one in person.

[fcamd]

I wish Taurus didn't have all those big markings and letterings on their slide...makes the gun appear "cheap." I prefer understated elegance when it comes to markings on anything I buy.

[Fireman1291]

:needspics:

I bet you could get it beadblasted and satin chromed to remove the warning banners all over it.....that would look good.

[Critter]

Actually you wuld have to get it surface ground and then refinished, but it would make a huge improvement on the looks no doubt.

[epsylum]

Originally posted by fcamd
I wish Taurus didn't have all those big markings and letterings on their slide...makes the gun appear "cheap." I prefer understated elegance when it comes to markings on anything I buy.

Actually the "billboarding" isn't that noticable, at least in the blued version. If the stainless version is like the stainless PT-92s, no thank you. Too shiney.

BTW I have shot sjstill's Taurus. Good deal for the money and his assesment is spot on. It even fed my 1911 choking bowling pin loads (developed on a G21) after getting the first in there (you REALLY have to sling shot it, like a P3AT with Gold Dots).

[Kevin108]

How much do they run?

[sjstill]

I got mine for 499.00 + tax. Have seen some folks say around 450.00 or so.

[Kevin108]

That's on par with the stripped-down Springfield I was looking at, but the Springfield is hi-cap. Hmm...

[anyplainjoe]

Can't wait for the stainless!

[triggerjerk]

Here's mine. $460.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/9540/1911ho1.jpg

[Glocks&Ducs]

Originally posted by Kevin108
How much do they run?

One of my shops on the way from work has one for $449. I would have picked it up, but they don't take American Express, and I don't have the cash right now.

Another shop claimed $499 and she had just sold it earlier that day, when I was there. But then a couple days later, I told her another shop was selling theirs for $449 and then she claimed that was what she was selling hers for also. When she got another one.

[ShootCraps]

THAT'S IT!!

I'm calling the gun store tomorrow and giving them a deposit to get me one. I gotta have one!!! :steamed:

[LonghornGlock]

Yep, for the money and lack of availibility this thing is turning into one of those "gotta have" guns. I'm only up to 220rds through mine yet but it has handled everything fine and offers a lot for a sub $500 gun. It by no means is in the Wilson/Les Baer camp but besides a sub-par finish it is right up there with the Kimbers and SA's.

[gncc600]

I suppose its an ok gun but it says Taurus on the side :uglylol: I would still recommend people pass and save a couple more $$ to get a good brand. I think in the long run you will be better off.

[ShootCraps]

Originally posted by gncc600
I suppose its an ok gun but it says Taurus on the side :uglylol: I would still recommend people pass and save a couple more $$ to get a good brand. I think in the long run you will be better off.

For the features and performance, you'd need to save a LOT MORE $$ to get something beter. Taurus makes good stuff and it appears their 1911 is a big success. I'm ordering one today.

[gncc600]

Originally posted by ShootCraps
For the features and performance, you'd need to save a LOT MORE $$ to get something beter. Taurus makes good stuff and it appears their 1911 is a big success. I'm ordering one today.

Your correct in that it is not a bad gun. I don't drive a Kia for the same reason I own own a Taurus.

New 1991A1 Colt $636
New Taurus $450-500

I'll take the Colt... In the end you will be money ahead because the Taurus will not have much resale value. It will also be harder to get gunsmiths to modify it if you ever would want that. AHHHHH attack of the low end gun owners.... I hope I dont say anything about Hi Points!!:animlol:

[Glocks&Ducs]

Originally posted by gncc600
Your correct in that it is not a bad gun. I don't drive a Kia for the same reason I own own a Taurus.

New 1991A1 Colt $636
New Taurus $450-500

I'll take the Colt... In the end you will be money ahead because the Taurus will not have much resale value. It will also be harder to get gunsmiths to modify it if you ever would want that. AHHHHH attack of the low end gun owners.... I hope I dont say anything about Hi Points!!:animlol:

Don't know where your finding New Colts for $636, but I can assure you, that is not the norm around here. $750 - $850 is more like it. Since the Tauraus cost less, you actually have less money to make back on it in a resale and since it has turned out to be a decent gun, it should hold it's value well. And gunsmiths don't care what you want to modify, they just want your money to do the modifications.

Hi-points on the other hand, those are scrap metal better left to better use.

[gncc600]

Originally posted by Glocks&Ducs
Don't know where your finding New Colts for $636, but I can assure you, that is not the norm around here. $750 - $850 is more like it. Since the Tauraus cost less, you actually have less money to make back on it in a resale and since it has turned out to be a decent gun, it should hold it's value well. And gunsmiths don't care what you want to modify, they just want your money to do the modifications.

Hi-points on the other hand, those are scrap metal better left to better use.

New Colts..$636 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/36291

The Taurus Costs less for a reason. Its not made here. Its made of cheaper componets. You have to watch the quality on them also. I have seen a few loose ones with a poor finish. They seem to be hit and miss. The trade in on a used taurus is about $325 at most gun shops. The colt will bring $550+. I know gun shops are in the business to make money but its a fact. ANd I agree on the HI Points.

Most custom smiths will not touch a Taurus. Maybe your local one but try sending one to Wilson or Nowlin.

[LonghornGlock]

Cheaper components? You have any proof of this or is it just "internet wisdom" The reason the Taurus is much cheaper to produce is the fact that they are made in Brazil and don't have to deal with the regulation, taxation, union workers, BS that American companies have to deal with. Also that comparison of the Colt 1991 to the Taurus is not valid. That is a stripped down Colt while the Taurus comes with many more features standard. Even the Colt XSE isn't as fully loaded as the Taurus either, around $800 ( I do like Colts though and plan to add one to the collection soon). BTW, and Hipoints aren't junk either, they do what they are made for rather well and their customer service puts most higher end manufacturers to shame.

[gncc600]

Originally posted by LonghornGlock
Cheaper components? You have any proof of this or is it just "internet wisdom" The reason the Taurus is much cheaper to produce is the fact that they are made in Brazil and don't have to deal with the regulation, taxation, union workers, BS that American companies have to deal with. Also that comparison of the Colt 1991 to the Taurus is not valid. That is a stripped down Colt while the Taurus comes with many more features standard. Even the Colt XSE isn't as fully loaded as the Taurus either, around $800 ( I do like Colts though and plan to add one to the collection soon). BTW, and Hipoints aren't junk either, they do what they are made for rather well and their customer service puts most higher end manufacturers to shame.

Looks like your spreading internet wisdom yourself. And Hipoints being good.... thats funny. They better have good customer service because I bet they get every gun they make back several times. I've sent back 13 this year. The Taurus is a cheap low end 1911. Its better than a CD, RIA, and Llama but its not up to the standereds of Springfield or Colt. And the price and resale reflects that.

[Rinspeed]

Originally posted by gncc600
New Colts..$636 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/36291
The trade in on a used taurus is about $325 at most gun shops. The colt will bring $550+. I know gun shops are in the



If you have a dealer that will give you $550 trade in on a $636 gun I suggest you stick with him. Most will be closer to $350.

[sjstill]

Taurus makes uses of MIM components in the PT1911. A lot of people equate that to cheap parts.

Kimber makes use of MIM components, too.

I started this thread as a progress report on my PT1911 passing 1000 trouble-free rounds.

If you guys want to worship Colts and bash Hi-Points, do it somewhere else. :upeyes:

[anyplainjoe]

The PT1911s seem to be rocking the boat just like Glock did to the traditional SA/DA autos 20 years ago!

[LonghornGlock]

I don't get why some people get incensed by the notion that a $500 gun made South America isn't just as good as a $750 gun made here in the states? Like most industries guns built in the states usually have much more built in overhead compared to foreign makers due to socialistic business policies, heavy taxation, unions, regulations, litigation, etc. Heck, I plan on owning myself a Colt too one day but I won't decieve myself into thinking that it really is that much better, I just want it!

[Glocks&Ducs]

Originally posted by gncc600
New Colts..$636 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/36291

The Taurus Costs less for a reason. Its not made here. Its made of cheaper componets. You have to watch the quality on them also. I have seen a few loose ones with a poor finish. They seem to be hit and miss. The trade in on a used taurus is about $325 at most gun shops. The colt will bring $550+. I know gun shops are in the business to make money but its a fact. ANd I agree on the HI Points.

Most custom smiths will not touch a Taurus. Maybe your local one but try sending one to Wilson or Nowlin.

Consider this. If you went to Budsgunshop and bought that gun from him, that isn't the price he would sell it to you for. He clearly states on the website, that those are internet prices only. In that same manner, my local shops would almost never sell me that gun for that price. And as was already stated, it doesn't contain all the features that the Taurus does. That was Taurus claim to fame on this one. All the features for not all the price, and they have apparently succeeded as they have also managed to make a reliable gun. Let's say I do buy that Colt from him. I am still looking at $50 for shipping and FFL transfer fee. So let me see, $686.26 for a featureless Colt? Or a "tricked out" Taurus that works well, for $481.49 after tax? HMMM, :shocked:

[ShootCraps]

Originally posted by gncc600
I'll take the Colt... In the end you will be money ahead because the Taurus will not have much resale value. It will also be harder to get gunsmiths to modify it if you ever would want that. AHHHHH attack of the low end gun owners.... I hope I dont say anything about Hi Points!!:animlol:

You have no idea what it's resale value will be. It already has most of the mods people do to a 1911. It's mostly 1911 spec so modifying it shouldn't be a problem either. Finally, it's not a low-end gun, it's mid-range. So nothing you said was based in fact or made any sense.

[FLIPPER 348]

Originally posted by gncc600
And the price and resale reflects that.


...so how many PT1911s have you re-sold??

[ShootCraps]

Originally posted by ShootCraps
THAT'S IT!!

I'm calling the gun store tomorrow and giving them a deposit to get me one. I gotta have one!!! :steamed:


Well I did better than that. I called the other gun store that's a bit farther away, and they had one in stock. I went there on my lunch break and bought it!!! Stripped it down and it looks great inside. Took it to the range and ran 100 rounds of ball and 50 rounds of 185gr JHP through it with zero problems. Sweet gun!! Feels great in my hand and shoots great too. I'm very happy. :banana:

Now when's the CCO coming out?!?!?!

[gncc600]

Originally posted by ShootCraps
it's not a low-end gun, it's mid-range. So nothing you said was based in fact or made any sense.

We can play post tag all day long but your beloved Taurus is a low end gun. If its not then I would hate to see what you consider low end. Most of your midrange is in the $700-$1000 range. You sir do not make sense.

[gncc600]

Originally posted by Glocks&Ducs
$686.26 for a featureless Colt? Or a "tricked out" Taurus that works well, for $481.49 after tax? HMMM, :shocked:

Good choice then you have a tricked out Taurus. I have a Colt. I can get a good deal on a tricked our KIA too but I would rather have a plain BMW.

[gncc600]

Originally posted by sjstill
Taurus makes uses of MIM components in the PT1911. A lot of people equate that to cheap parts.

Kimber makes use of MIM components, too.

I started this thread as a progress report on my PT1911 passing 1000 trouble-free rounds.


MIM parts are cheap....thats why they use them. The are in more prone to failure in certain componets. Its a fact that most gunsmiths recommend replacing some of the MIM parts. Yes KImber uses them and Kimber has a lot of warranty issues. Kimber has had some of my guns more than I have.

[LonghornGlock]

Hate to tell you buddy, but your beloved Colt's use MIM parts too.:upeyes: Better dump em now, they're all junk.

[Glocks&Ducs]

Originally posted by gncc600
Good choice then you have a tricked out Taurus. I have a Colt. I can get a good deal on a tricked our KIA too but I would rather have a plain BMW.

Gotta have your bling bling, huh.

[gncc600]

Just so you know.... my colts have none in them. I only buy older series 70 colts and Gold Cups.... I dont like the series 80's as well... Now that being said here is what MIM parts Colt uses and there are only three.


MIM
sear
mag catch
disconector


CAST
safety lock
grip safety

FORGED
slide
receiver
barrel
slide stop

MACHINED from bar stock
hammer
all pins
bbl link
bbl bushing
trigger fingure piece
ejector
firing pin
firing pin stop
extractor
plunger tube

I bet Taurus has a lot more than that. I would also like to add this little note from Bruce Gray... most of you probably know who he is.

"Entry level 1911?

In my opinion, there really isn't one.

I wish there were. I'd buy it myself.

All inexpensive (and many of the more expensive)
1911's are built with sub-optimal components these days. Thus, I can't accept them for serious applications or for heavy use as they come.

And, if you have to ship it to a clown like me for appropriate upgrades just to be "OK", you're better off buying a really decent 1911 to begin with.

Best bet? Scour the gunshops for an early-'70s or pre-70 series Colt, and bite the bullet on the price.

Otherwise, plan to spend a few more bucks for a GSR or even more bucks for a decent upper-tier gun from another good maker.

My 2 cents. Thanks!"

-Bruce

[aglocker1911]

Don't be fooled and judge a gun as "low end" or "high end" by price alone. A $1000 piece of junk is a piece of junk, a nice $500 pistol is still very nice. I haven't had the chance to see one i person yet, so I'm withholding final judgment on hat exact gun, but I'm NOY discounting off hand because of the fact that it's "cheap to buy" or made by Taurus. And yes, while I'm not knocking Colts bny any means, they do indeed contain MIM if you're going to throw that argument around, and the fact that a gun says Colt on the side doesn't make it a perfect 1911 (my opinion there, YMV). I think the only thing "hurting" Taurus so far is their silly idea to market it as a "$2000 pistol for a fraction of the price" in their ads.

BTW, I did indeed spend the bucks to buy a GSR Revolution, and I think it is one of the best 1911s out there. But if I went by some of the internet stories being posted about Sig 1911s, I wouldn't have even dared to look at one. Sometimes you jjust have to check it out for yourself, and not rely on the internet (I know, what a crazy idea!:supergrin: )

[FLIPPER 348]

I"m gonna buy a PT 1911 for two reasons.

1 - as a backup as a 1911 is my primary go-to auto pistol (S&W Sc) and one should always have a back up ...........as anything mechanical can and will break

2 - to shoot, enjoy and gloat about with my snobby 1911 friends here in town and on Glock Talk

[ShootCraps]

Originally posted by gncc600
We can play post tag all day long but your beloved Taurus is a low end gun. If its not then I would hate to see what you consider low end. Most of your midrange is in the $700-$1000 range. You sir do not make sense.

You don't have a clue. MIM is used in so many guns that it really isn't a factor. The low-end 1911s are the RIA/CD/Armscor and for the money even they are a great bargain. The Taurus has high-end features at a mid-range price. You can disagree with that all you want, but you'll still be wrong.

[Rikki]

I can't understand the thinking going on here-or maybe it's not "thinking" at all... it's 6th grade recess ballywhack!
I know Steve, have shot and worked with him. He RUNS the biggest range in Metro Indy. He WORKS in the (arguably) BEST gunshop in Central Indiana.He CARRIES a 1911 .45 all the time.
He just bought the Taurus for the heck of it, to see what it'd do.
And, what it's done it is...run flawlessly for over 1000 rounds.
That's it, period...1k with no boogie ups.
"Weelll, you just wait, it's gonna break, and it's got MIM parts and it's got a low resale value and it can't be as good as my Colt and it's got lots of features but they are gonna break and and and BESIDES! I don't even OWN a KIA!!!
OH, and btw there, Briss, your Beemer's got a MIM block in it, better get off lease as quick as you can.

[KinderGlocken]

Put 700 trouble free mixed rounds in my new PT1911. 300 without cleaning it! Paid $450 for it. The only thing I do not like is the sights.

[chewybaca67]

Originally posted by LonghornGlock
Cheaper components? You have any proof of this or is it just "internet wisdom" The reason the Taurus is much cheaper to produce is the fact that they are made in Brazil and don't have to deal with the regulation, taxation, union workers, BS that American companies have to deal with.

This is true. Besides, if I get one of the Taurus 1911s, I'm waiting for the stainless ones, I'm gonna generally shoot the heck outta it and not worry about resale value. I won't have to worry about babying it at all.

[LonghornGlock]

Chewy, you might be waiting a while. Like you I would have preferred a SS model but couldn't wait as long. On a couple of other boards it has been said that the SS models will not appear till early next year. Taurus is selling everyone of the blued ones they make and can't produce them quick enough. Also their is a rumour that the prices are going up. Started them out low to get interest up and will raise them somewhat. Still if you can get one in early 07 in SS for a little over $500 would be a great buy!:)

[chewybaca67]

Thanks longhornglock. I'll keep that in mind.

[Tang419]

I wont bash them, because I still havent shot one, but I will never own one, just because it says Taurus on it. Working at a gun shop, we have sent back more Taurus' guns than Hi-Points, or even Jimenez for that matter.

When I got my 1911, it had nothing to do with brand loyality, because I had none. I had previously owned a SA GI which I liked a lot, but the SW1911SC just called to me. I loved the way it looked, and felt. 28oz empty seems great to me for a 1911, and I like the Commander size. There are just as many people bashing on the S&W's as there are on the Taurus', but I just shake my head and keep on shooting.

To the original poster, congrats on the 1000 round mark, sounds like you got a good one for sure. Im not far behind you with my Smith either. Infact it had about 200 rounds put through it yesterday at the gun shop, I was letting people try it out. Shot Blazer Aluminum, American Ammunition, Wolf, and some Magtech hollow points, in a few different mags, factory 8 rd, Kimber 7 rd, Wilson 8 rd, and a cheap no name 7rd. Still have yet to have the first malfunction with it. I have forgot to write down a few of the times Ive shot it, but round count should be around 900 now.

[sjstill]

Forged? Cast? MIM? Stamped?

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=128370

[Medford4]

I have a question for you guys who've owned a PT1911 for awhile. How is the finish holding up? I'm looking seriously at getting one, but if there's a finish problem, I may hold off for the stainless model. If it's too shiny, surely it can be bead blasted to a satin finish..

[triggerjerk]

Originally posted by Medford4
I have a question for you guys who've owned a PT1911 for awhile. How is the finish holding up? I'm looking seriously at getting one, but if there's a finish problem, I may hold off for the stainless model. If it's too shiny, surely it can be bead blasted to a satin finish..

The finish is very thin.
If you can wait for a stainless, do it.
However, I'm sure a local gunsmith could refinish a PT1911 for
a decent price if it got that bad.

PM me if you want some up close pics of the wear points.

[epsylum]

Originally posted by triggerjerk
The finish is very thin.
If you can wait for a stainless, do it.
However, I'm sure a local gunsmith could refinish a PT1911 for
a decent price if it got that bad.

PM me if you want some up close pics of the wear points.

+1

also you can buy some duracoat and DIY on the cheap. ;)