Going about suppressing a Glock 19.

[itgoesboom]

Just a few questions:

1. Who makes the best suppressor?

2. Who makes the best extended barrels?

3. Am I correct in thinking that 147gr loads would be the best for this purpose (most quiet)over 124gr and 115gr?

4. Anyone know how long the BATFE paperwork and signoff take?

5. Any other forum with significant amount of info on this topic?

Thanks.

I.G.B.

[TheStreetKing]

You should post this in the Free Fire Zone!

[itgoesboom]

Originally posted by TheGlock23Guy
You should post this in the Free Fire Zone!

Yup...you are right.

I knew we had a forum on here for NFA stuff, but didn't see it with the other gun forums....

I.G.B.

[jstforme]

aac evolution

[jstforme]

another:

[jstforme]

last one i promise:

[one_shift_eight]

I'm trying not to sound like a liberal sheeple hear but why do you want a suppressor?

Honestly I am really curios about this.

[Florida Glocker]

Me too... why a suppressor??

[T. Harless]

Originally posted by one_shift_eight
I'm trying not to sound like a liberal sheeple hear but why do you want a suppressor?

Honestly I am really curios about this.

Because he can man! Because he can.
There's a class III dealer about 20 minutes from me. Simple economics is all that stands between me a suppressor. Looks like about $700 minimum with the stamp. That's a lot of beans for a new toy. Just a matter of time.

[itgoesboom]

Originally posted by one_shift_eight
I'm trying not to sound like a liberal sheeple hear but why do you want a suppressor?

Honestly I am really curios about this.

I am sure there are many reasons why a person would want a suppressor...

Me, I like the concept of not disturbing people while I am out shooting, not to mention, damaging my hearing if I, heaven forbid, had to use a firearm to protect my family. Even more important, I wouldn't want to hurt my young daughters hearing if I had to protect her.

But the real reason I am looking into these is because my boss mentioned that, even with plugs and active hearing protection (doubling up), that the report from his Glock is just too much for his hearing. Because of that, he rarely shoots anymore.

I suggested he get a suppressor, and let him know they are legal here, and offered to get information for him.

I.G.B.

[T. Harless]

Originally posted by itgoesboom
........Me, I like the concept of not disturbing people while I am out shooting, not to mention, damaging my hearing if I, heaven forbid, had to use a firearm to protect my family. Even more important, I wouldn't want to hurt my young daughters hearing if I had to protect her.

But the real reason I am looking into these is because........

Because it's soooooo cool! The rest of that crap is what you tell your wife. That's my position anyway.

[budam]

Originally posted by itgoesboom



1. Who makes the best suppressor?


Everyone seems to have a different belief on whose is better. The top 3 or 4 (SWR, AAC, Gemtech, AWC) well known manufacturers all do a very good job. They have been around for a while and will be here tomorrow.

A couple questions to help make a decision.

What do you plan to use it for?
A simple tool is to take the cost of the suppressor divided by the "rated" DB sound reduction. This will get you the cost per DB reduction.

Note 3db increase or decrease is a 2x or 1/2 the sound. Humans can notice a sound difference roughly around 4-5 DB.

As such, is it worth paying $999 for 3 db better reduction vs. another can at $599 (at 3 DB louder). Usually not, unless you have money to burn or have to have the best there is.

When looking at sound reduction, find out if it is wet or dry. Try to hear the real deal and compare.


2. Who makes the best extended barrels?


There are 3 well known after market barrel manufacturers out there. I have used KKM on Glock pistols and have been pleased. This does not mean that Barsto or Jarvis are any worse or better - I have been pleased with KKM to date.


3. Am I correct in thinking that 147gr loads would be the best for this purpose (most quiet)over 124gr and 115gr?


Yes. You are trying to keep the bullet below the speed of sound so 147gr or heavier is the best. You can shoot 124gr or 115gr and it will be a lot quiter with a can than without but it will still be noisy You could probably get along without wearing hearing protection.


4. Anyone know how long the BATFE paperwork and signoff take?


1-6 months.


5. Any other forum with significant amount of info on this topic?


There is always a better one, but subguns.com is likely the best.

If you have any more questions, leave your question hear and I am sure a bunch of us will answer it.

mark

[amd4me]

Originally posted by T. Harless
Because it's soooooo cool! The rest of that crap is what you tell your wife. That's my position anyway.
Thats reason number one for me.
How many decibles get cut off the gunshot?

[budam]

Originally posted by one_shift_eight
I'm trying not to sound like a liberal sheeple hear but why do you want a suppressor?

Honestly I am really curios about this.

Well... :banana:

You may be shooting around an area where people always complain about shooting and you want to minimize complaints.

You shoot around animals and do not want to disturb them. A farmer with live stock who has his own small shooting range.

You have to put animals down that are injured and you do not want to disturb the neighborhood. Law enforcement is a good example. :rofl:

You enjoy shooting without wearing as much hearing protection. :shocked:

You want to reduce the amount of kick of the gun. This is common for people who bruise easily. :upeyes:

You like to hear the bullet hit the target! :wavey:

You enjoy the fun of having something others are too lazy to take the time to get! :tongueout:

You like to have fun! :hearts:

mark

[budam]

Originally posted by amd4me
How many decibles get cut off the gunshot? [/B]

It can be anywhere from mid 20s to high 30's. A lot depends on the weather, bullet, barrel, etc.

mark

[danyanda]

As if I could ever own one (legally) here, but I would be interested in a suppressor just for the noise reduction. I hate loud noises. I use plugs and headphones when I shoot, and I would still rather have a quieter gun if it was possible.

[Algaroth]

If it's mainly because of hearing protection, get a pack of those orange foam plugs from Wal-Mart. Cheap, great hearing protection, and super easy to use. I use them for shooting, gigs, band practices, whatever.

EDIT: Those plugs also work way better than any headset at the range. The plugs fill up your ear canal entirely, whereas headsets just cover your ears. WEAK!

Then again, from NOT wearing earplugs from playing drums for 8 years or so has kinda affected my hearing as it is, so it just might be a different case for me.

So uhh... this post is pointless.

You can get better hearing protection for a lot less than what a suppressor costs.

Unless you wanna be James Bond. In that case, go for it.

[budam]

Originally posted by Algaroth
You can get better hearing protection for a lot less than what a suppressor costs.


So if I have a wet suppressor that gives me 41 DB reduction in sound, you guess that foam 26 DB plugs/headset will do better?

I'll take the suppressor and save my hearing...

mark

[budam]

Originally posted by Algaroth
EDIT: Those plugs also work way better than any headset at the range. The plugs fill up your ear canal entirely, whereas headsets just cover your ears. WEAK!


The plugs get around 23-27 DB reduction. Not even close to most pistol suppressors.

My headsets get around 26 DB reduction, better than the vast majority of foam...


For most people good quality foam or headsets are almost the same DB reduction.

Suppressor easily is the best to reduce noise by far.

mark

[PaleGreenHorse]

I always double up my protection. I use the orange foams plus a decent set of muffs.

The reason stated to not damage his kids hearing if the weapon needed to be used is my main concern with my 2 year old daughter. I think I might have to start paper work for one myself. PGH~

[Algaroth]

Ah, ok. I figured your own hearing protection was the concern. I'm 22, and I don't have kids, so I never think of things on that side of the spectrum. It does make sense.

Hah yes I know ear plugs aren't as reducing as a supressor, but as I said before, I assumed it was just for his own hearing protection, and I thought spending the money on the supressor (and hassling with paperwork) was kinda silly.

[Burzum]

I've been investigating the same thing recently. I want one because it would be nice to go into my woods and start shooting without annoying anyone.

The suppressor I want is an Evolution-9. I guess you have to get an aftermarket barrel for the G19. If you have a G17 you can get a G17L barrel and have it threaded. There is a few hundred round breakin period for the G19 aftermarket barrel w/suppressor before it starts to cycle reliably.

silencertest.com has more extensive topics on suppressors than GT. Here's my silenced G19 thread. http://www.silencertests.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4529

[glock22357]

Originally posted by Algaroth
Unless you wanna be James Bond. In that case, go for it.

Oooh....oooooh......I wanna be James Bond!!!

Michigan is now allowing suppressors, but I'll have to wait until
I have the money.

[ChickenHawk]

Do those things wear out?

The implication in most TV and Movie episodes is that after some shooting they don't suppress as well. Is that TV crap, or true?

If true, how do you get it back to optimal suppression again?

Cheers,
ChickenHawk (Still Squawking at Full Volume)

[Chronus]

I own a Glock 19 and never thought I could afford a silencer for it nor understood why I would need one. But after looking into it I came up with this:

Advanced Armament Evolution 9 Silencer - $800
KKM Glock 9mm Threaded Barrel - $200
BATFE paperwork and fees - $200



Legally Owning a Silenced Glock - PRICELESS



(picture borrowed from Advanced Armament's site)

[SilentGLOCK]

I'm trying not to sound like a liberal sheeple hear but why do you want a suppressor?

Those who ask this question have never fired a suppressed weapon. One round and you'll understand why.........

[beradon]

To shoot quieter of course-Ear protection is not necessary with mine.

[PDXGLOCKER9MM]

supressors are cool....kinda expensive.

[Greg-Dawg®]

Question how does a suppressor attach to the barrel?

Do you screw them in, if so, where's the thread in the barrel?

[DAP10MM]

You would have to buy A new barrel that the suppressor would go on to.

[eyeson247]

to answer chickenhawks question

yes, some suppressors (old technology) use "wipes" to trap the combustion er gases in the can. newer designs use baffles to disrupt and slow the gases.

[Bravo-Four]

I didnt buy mine for "hearing protection" or "being respectful of the neighbor" I simply bought it for the: "Have you ever seen a suppressed pistol? Well check this out.."

Cool factor ;)

[budam]

Originally posted by Algaroth
You can get better hearing protection for a lot less than what a suppressor costs.


I responded to your statement that "...you can get better..." and what I pointed out, that this is NOT true. A suppressor for a pistols is typically better by quite a bit.

Someone else said plugs are better than muffs and this is a very questionable statement. As I check on a bunch of them, they are all about the some DB reduction.


Bottom line:

Suppressor is best hearing protection.
Suppressor is more expensive.
Plugs and muffs have about the same hearing protection rating.
When you buy one, you are hooked on the candy and you will by another.

mark

[budam]

Originally posted by Algaroth
You can get better hearing protection for a lot less than what a suppressor costs.


I responded to your statement that "...you can get better..." and what I pointed out, that this is NOT true. A suppressor for a pistols is typically better by quite a bit.

Someone else said plugs are better than muffs and this is a very questionable statement. As I check on a bunch of them, they are all about the some DB reduction.


Bottom line:

Suppressor is best hearing protection.
Suppressor is more expensive.
Plugs and muffs have about the same hearing protection rating.
When you buy one, you are hooked on the candy and you will by another.

mark

[budam]

Originally posted by ChickenHawk
Do those things wear out?

The implication in most TV and Movie episodes is that after some shooting they don't suppress as well. Is that TV crap, or true?

If true, how do you get it back to optimal suppression again?


In the old days the suppressors would use rubber wipes, which did not last very long.

Most pistol caliber suppressors use aluminum baffles which have a very good lifetime.

Their wear out time is well past 1k and depending on speed of bullet and size, 5k or more is possible.

Generally the suppressor will likely last most of us, a life time.

Rifle suppressors that are running 3k+ FPS are a different story and use a different metal.

I hope that helps.

mark