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ret_marine2003
09-09-2006, 09:02
The American Legion Urges Immediate Floor Vote on PERA in both Chambers Take Action!

Time is limited! Only 19 Legislative Days Left in this Congress before Election recess

The House Judiciary Committee approved HR 2679, the Public _Expression of Religion Act introduced by Representative John Hostettler last night, adopting the language of a companion piece in the Senate introduced by Senator Brownback as S. 3696, the “Veterans’ Memorials, Boy Scouts, Public Seals, and Other Public Expressions of Religion Protection Act of 2006”. These bills are aimed at amending U.S. Statutes to eliminate the chilling effect on the constitutionally protected _expression of religion by State and local officials that results from the threat that potential litigants may seek damages and attorney's fees
The American Legion has fought for passage of this reform legislation since the ACLU sued the Mojave Desert WWI Veterans Memorial and obtained a federal judge's order to destroy the solitary cross at that veterans' memorial. The ACLU then sought, and received, $63,000 from that same judge as an attorney fee award--although neither the ACLU nor its mascot plaintiff, Frank Buono, retired former Assistant Superintendent of the Mojave Desert Preserve, had any actual attorney fees. The $63,000 went directly into ACLU coffers as profit.

Most Americans remain unaware the ACLU and other organizations have been reaping millions of dollars in taxpayer-paid profits from lawsuits against veterans memorials, the Boy Scouts, the public display of the Ten Commandments and other symbols of our American heritage. In recent testimony to the Senate, Rees Lloyd, former ACLU attorney and Department of California District 21 Commander, provided these examples of ACLU awards of taxpayer money. Approximately $950,000 in attorney fees was awarded to the ACLU in a settlement with the City of San Diego in its lawsuit to drive the Boy Scouts out of Balboa Park. In the Judge Roy Moore Ten Commandments case, the ACLU received $500,000. In a recent "Intelligent Design" case against a school board, the ACLU received $2,000,000 in attorney fees by order of a judge--although the law firm that represented the ACLU informed the court and public that it had acted pro bono and waived any attorney fees; these fees was pure profit to the ACLU.

Past National Commander Bock has said the ACLU’s threat of the imposition of taxpayer-paid attorney fees to force local elected bodies--city and county councils and school boards--into surrendering to the ACLU's demands to secularly cleanse the public square of any evidence of America’s religious heritage is “judicial blackmail, plain and simple”.

Of particular concern to most veterans are the legal attacks on veterans’ memorials. Passage of S. 3696 and H.R. 2679 would end the abuse by the ACLU and other organizations of well-intended laws. Past National Commander Bock has said, “This reform of the law should be supported by all Americans across all party, ideological, philosophical, and religious lines. The ACLU's profiteering at taxpayer expense by exploitation of benevolently intended civil rights laws designed to benefit poor people is a disgrace.”

The American Legion publication, In the Footsteps of the Founders - A Guide to Defending American Values, provides detailed information and is available free on request to pr@legion.org.

It is imperative that all Members of The American Legion Family contact their Members of Congress and urge them to bring this measure to a vote in both the House of Representatives and in the Senate. Time is limited! Both the House and the Senate have limited days left before adjourning to concentrate on the November Elections, so we must pour on the heat now and let our lawmakers know how important it is to us that this receive a vote on the floor

Rubirosa
09-30-2006, 23:09
Sounds like Caprecious Ramblings Ambling Precariously Past Objective Legislative Action (CRAPPOLA) to me.

Care to cite some hard sources on that, Pilgrim?


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ret_marine2003
10-01-2006, 23:04
You missed your boat long ago troll, this legislation made it.

Go cry your liberal-leftist-queer-eye-socialist-freedom-hating-feminazi heart out somewhere else.

:animlol:

Please feel free to quote this.

:wavey:

Rubirosa
10-02-2006, 15:44
If you think members of the Democratic party are the enemy, you are sadly mistaken. Democrats are the opposition, not the enemy.

Osama Bin Laden knows us better than we know ourselves, and he is playing us off against each other.

Kindy aim your weapon at the enemy, Marine. Not this way.

Now, since I'm a former USAF Major, MC I can understand the hatred. But hurting the Democrats is just hurting yourself. Remember, our parents (well my parent) fought a war against Fascism. You know- the system with just one party?

Minuteman
10-02-2006, 15:55
Originally posted by ret_marine2003
You missed your boat long ago troll, this legislation made it.

Go cry your liberal-leftist-queer-eye-socialist-freedom-hating-feminazi heart out somewhere else.

:animlol:

Please feel free to quote this.

:wavey:


It's this kind of childish crap that is destroying our counrty while bin laden laughs.
Please stop posting.

Welcome to the ignore list. Bye.

:patriot:

Rubirosa
10-02-2006, 16:35
If the Democrats and the Republicans can't break bread together after a long day of opposition, this nation is deepy, disturbingly soul-sick.

Fred Hansen
10-02-2006, 16:45
Originally posted by Fightin' Dem
If you think members of the Democratic party are the enemy, you are sadly mistaken. Democrats are the opposition, not the enemy.

Osama Bin Laden knows us better than we know ourselves, and he is playing us off against each other.

Kindy aim your weapon at the enemy, Marine. Not this way.

Now, since I'm a former USAF Major, MC I can understand the hatred. But hurting the Democrats is just hurting yourself. Remember, our parents (well my parent) fought a war against Fascism. You know- the system with just one party? The Democrats (as the far leftists they are today) aren't the enemy of America? Hmmm... then why did they support the Soviet Union from its inception to its death? Carter came as close as any American ever did to capitulating to the Soviets. Ronald Reagan buried the commie bastards instead of licking their ass as the Democrats did. I'd say that's a difference of night and day wouldn't you? How about the Democrats and statements like:"We've got to ask, why is this man so popular around the world?" said Murray, according to the Vancouver Columbian newspaper. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries that are riddled with poverty?"


The second-term senator, who faces re-election in 2004, was responding to questions from world history students and student government leaders at Columbia River High School in Vancouver, Wash., on Wednesday.

Murray said, according to the Vancouver paper, that bin Laden has been "out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."

"How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?" Murray asked.

Murray, chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in the 107th Congress, voted against an October Senate resolution – passed by a 77-23 margin – that gives President Bush authority to use military force against Saddam Hussein's regime.Murray supported Bubba Clinton's "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998", but mysteriously was unable to essentially re-enact the ILA of 1998 when there was a President in office that would actually implement IT!

In fact, the only time (in my lifetime at least) that Democrats go from all talk and no action is when they are supporting America's enemies, instituting yet another welfare-state program, or stealing firearms from American patriots.

A.I.D.S. Abortion, Euthanasia, Cheerleading the Enemy While Grabbing Your Guns... Don't Liberals Just Kill Ya?

Semper Fi ret_marine2003! :patriot: :usmc:

Fred Hansen
10-02-2006, 16:56
Originally posted by Fightin' Dem
If the Democrats and the Republicans can't break bread together after a long day of opposition, this nation is deepy, disturbingly soul-sick. I would want to break bread with people who call my nephew the Marine recruit a "baby killer" why exactly??? What would be in it for me? Another knife in my back courtesy of raving leftists? No thanks. More stolen RKBA rights? More of my money and property stolen for the "good" of the hive? No thanks.

Keep your bread, and shove your circuses.

Rubirosa
10-02-2006, 17:04
That was quick.

You like Marines? How about a Marine who acted as a WMD Chief Inspector in Iraq? One who went through exactly the same transition is Former Marine Major Scott Ritter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter

He argued in 1998 how important it was to continue the inspections. By 2003? He knew there were none, just as I knew there were none.

Leading up to the Invasion of 1993, he sounded like a fool, defying conventional wisdom saying there were no WMD's. The trouble is that he was exactly correct.

Fred, so you define yourself as a Liberal Bane? Do you think maybe it's time to get a life; to think for yourself? I know the answer to that. You are about to discover that you are no longer in the majority. (shiver),and that not all Dems are anti-gun.

Rubirosa
10-02-2006, 17:11
Originally posted by Fred Hansen
I would want to break bread with people who call my nephew the Marine recruit a "baby killer" why exactly??? What would be in it for me? Another knife in my back courtesy of raving leftists? No thanks. More stolen RKBA rights? More of my money and property stolen for the "good" of the hive? No thanks.

Keep your bread, and shove your circuses.

That's your choice. I'm sorry someone called your nephew a "Baby Killer." I thought that was a Vietnam thing and that we have grown up since then. But then, I have never stuck a knife in your back. Grow up.

Fred Hansen
10-02-2006, 17:42
Originally posted by Fightin' Dem
That was quick.

You like Marines? How about a Marine who acted as a WMD Chief Inspector in Iraq? One who went through exactly the same transition is Former Marine Major Scott Ritter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter

He argued in 1998 how important it was to continue the inspections. By 2003? He knew there were none, just as I knew there were none.

Leading up to the Invasion of 1993, he sounded like a fool, defying conventional wisdom saying there were no WMD's. The trouble is that he was exactly correct.

Fred, so you define yourself as a Liberal Bane? Do you think maybe it's time to get a life; to think for yourself? I know the answer to that. You are about to discover that you are no longer in the majority. (shiver),and that not all Dems are anti-gun. You mean to say the Scott Ritter who got Albany County Assistant District Attorney Cynthia Preiser to dismiss the charges of soliciting underage girls for sex over the internet? The Scott Ritter that got Albany County Assistant District Attorney Cynthia Preiser fired when her boss found out what she had done? That Scott Ritter? The Scott Ritter that thought he was meeting (for sex) a 15 year old girl in that restroom, when in fact the New York State Police met him instead? That Scott Ritter?

Very few Marines ever qualify as ex-Marines, but I'd say he's right at the top of that list. As to his being correct about WMDs in Iraq it has been well established for some time now that some WMDs were in fact found in Iraq, and further that the remainder were quite likely secreted away to countries like Syria while the Democrats gave the benefit of the doubt to Uncle Saddam and DRAGGED THEIR FEET ON IRAQ POST 9/11.

Oh, and unlike a "hivethink" Demorat, I couldn't care less if I am in the majority or not. You leftists could take over tomorrow and surrender to the death-cult psychotics of Islam, and I still wouldn't go along with it. As far as thiking for myself, I always have; hence I despise you collectivists with the passion that I do.

Fred Hansen
10-02-2006, 17:47
Originally posted by Fightin' Dem
That's your choice. I'm sorry someone called your nephew a "Baby Killer." I thought that was a Vietnam thing and that we have grown up since then. But then, I have never stuck a knife in your back. Grow up. Just a "Vietnam thing" huh? No access to Al-Gorejizzonya a.k.a. CNN??? Never seen a film produced in Hollywood? No access to broadcast news like SeeBS? Never heard Cindy Sheman open her yap? How about Hanoi John Kerry the 120 day wonder? Where do you live, under a rock? :upeyes:

Rubirosa
10-02-2006, 19:15
Originally posted by Fred Hansen
You mean to say the Scott Ritter who got Albany County Assistant District Attorney Cynthia Preiser to dismiss the charges of soliciting underage girls for sex over the internet? The Scott Ritter that got Albany County Assistant District Attorney Cynthia Preiser fired when her boss found out what she had done? That Scott Ritter? The Scott Ritter that thought he was meeting (for sex) a 15 year old girl in that restroom, when in fact the New York State Police met him instead? That Scott Ritter?

Very few Marines ever qualify as ex-Marines, but I'd say he's right at the top of that list. As to his being correct about WMDs in Iraq it has been well established for some time now that some WMDs were in fact found in Iraq, and further that the remainder were quite likely secreted away to countries like Syria while the Democrats gave the benefit of the doubt to Uncle Saddam and DRAGGED THEIR FEET ON IRAQ POST 9/11.

Oh, and unlike a "hivethink" Demorat, I couldn't care less if I am in the majority or not. You leftists could take over tomorrow and surrender to the death-cult psychotics of Islam, and I still wouldn't go along with it. As far as thiking for myself, I always have; hence I despise you collectivists with the passion that I do.

"Collectivists?" You do not know me. When you Assume, you make an ass of you and me. Call me a Collectivist and I'll call you Julius Streicher.

I should hope we are neither.


WMD's?

If you are going to have a logical argument, you have to be paying attention at a level deeper than the cable networks. Give me references, and we can have a real debate.

I'm not going to argue with paopaganda.

Get a life.

Rubirosa
10-02-2006, 19:47
Originally posted by Fred Hansen
Just a "Vietnam thing" huh? No access to Al-Gorejizzonya a.k.a. CNN??? Never seen a film produced in Hollywood? No access to broadcast news like SeeBS? Never heard Cindy Sheman open her yap? How about Hanoi John Kerry the 120 day wonder? Where do you live, under a rock? :upeyes:

No, Thomasville, Georgia.

You must have typed too fast, I don't understand.

Fred Hansen
10-02-2006, 20:37
Originally posted by Fightin' Dem
No, Thomasville, Georgia.

You must have typed too fast, I don't understand. You don't understand. Imagine my surprise.

Rubirosa
10-02-2006, 21:03
Um, Um, Um... LASTWORD!

Rubirosa
10-02-2006, 21:08
NO! I have the Last word!

Oops.
wait a sec... Fred hasn't replied yet... Wait for it...

ret_marine2003
10-03-2006, 02:07
Originally posted by Fightin' Dem
If you think members of the Democratic party are the enemy, you are sadly mistaken. Democrats are the opposition, not the enemy.

Osama Bin Laden knows us better than we know ourselves, and he is playing us off against each other.

Kindy aim your weapon at the enemy, Marine. Not this way.

Now, since I'm a former USAF Major, MC I can understand the hatred. But hurting the Democrats is just hurting yourself. Remember, our parents (well my parent) fought a war against Fascism. You know- the system with just one party?

I tagged this one for future reference, because I highly doubt that you are what you claim to be.

And I will serve this one right back at you:

Sounds like Caprecious Ramblings Ambling Precariously Past Objective Legislative Action (CRAPPOLA) to me.

I normally don't question a trolls credentials, (why bother)
but seriously, what kind of "Air Force Major" could make it to that esteemed rank with your adolescent writing style (for lack of a better way to describe it)and without any knowledge of what THE AMERICAN LEGION is and does?

Now before you pucker up and lay more of your (LOL) "knowlege" on me; why wouldnt an "Air Force Major" do his own homework and check the facts online before making an ass out of himself in this forum by asking for "hard facts" to "back that up" in regards to an American Legion legislative alert?

I have had the honor of working (as a Marine and as a AAFES employee) with every branch of service in the U.S. Armed Forces.

I have NEVER met an officer that expresses the self the way you do. Again I have never met an officer that would share your sentiments and comments, and then drop a "Oh, by the way... I am a former Officer, not just an officer, but an Airforce Major."

You need to stop and think before trying to pretend to be an officer of any kind. You do not write like a person who has had any kind of secondary education whatsoever.

I have met a few LT.'s (that didnt make it for very long) who write like you. NEVER A MAJOR.

So... I find your claim (asserting to be a Air Force Major) to be extremely dubious.

Maybe some folks in the Air Force forum can help you establish a more appropriate ficticious rank for you so that you may be able to pretend to be a vet somewhere else.

:upeyes: