Red Dot Scope

[rushdooney]

If I attach a red scope to a picanny rail over the front hand guard, what type and size (diameter) and MOA do I need to shoot at 100 yards?

[Spydermonkey]

It's a preference. I like 2 moa dots because they cover less of the target, some prefer 4 moa. IMHO non-magnified red dots are good up to 100yds, they shine during quick/snap shooting at the 25-50yd range. They will work well over that but don't expect to shoot dime sized groupings, human sized targets only especially offhand. If you plan on using it at 100yds I recommend the 2 moa because like I said it covers less of the target. Also keep in mind AKs for the most part are combat rifles and not tackdrivers. With that said, take a look at Aimpoints and Eotechs if you have the means. If not, get a BSA from Walmart for $30 and you can see if a red dot will suit your needs without spending much. Don't expect it to last forever at the cost of $30.

[Spydermonkey]

In case you were wondering what an Eotech looks like, this is a few shots of it on my AR.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/scubie555/eotech2.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/scubie555/eotech1.jpg

[Kirkcdl]

If your AK has a rail mount,you can't go wrong with a Kobra...:supergrin:

[MrMurphy]

The Aimpoint normally (mil version) has a 4MOA dot, which is fine for close quarters, and you can shoot effectively out to 300m (it just takes a little practice).

As said, groups won't be tiny, and the AK is a combat rifle, but hits are hits.

[Spydermonkey]

Originally posted by Kirkcdl
If your AK has a rail mount,you can't go wrong with a Kobra...:supergrin:

I'll second that. If you already have a siderail use that, it will make life easier and it's easily detachable. My Arsenal SA M-7 doesn't, but I prefer open sights on my AKs. Kobras are a good choice.

[rushdooney]

Thanks for all your good information/feedback

[rushdooney]

What is the difference between the Panoramic Sights and the regular tubular shaped red dot sights? Underwhat conditions would one be used and not the other?

[MTMilitiaman]

Originally posted by rushdooney
What is the difference between the Panoramic Sights and the regular tubular shaped red dot sights? Underwhat conditions would one be used and not the other?

It is really personal preference, I think. The open style HUD sights might give a slightly wider field of view and might be somewhat faster. I don't know what real advantages the tubular style sights would have, but they do offer some very good red dot sights in this configuration as well.

If you have a side rail, the Russian PK-AS series and Kobra series both deserve your consideration. They are solid, durable, and reliable, and cost a fraction of what most similar quality Western sights cost. The Kobra is available in a Picitanny rail mount version, as is the PK-AS, but the PK-AS has critical eye relief that would make it impractical on a forward mount. The PK-AS, to its credit, is more precise than the Kobra, or most other red dot sights, and is almost unique in that it allows use while turned off, or with dead batteries. The reticle still shows up black even with the optic turned off. It still allows quick both-eyes open reflex style shooting, but also allows for greater precision beyond 150 to 200 yards because the center dot is only ~1 MOA. This makes the PK-AS more versitile, I think, than the Kobra or most other red dots. It is, however, a PITA to sight in.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/MTMilitiaman/akreddotview.jpg

[Packin' Heat]

65MOA in the eotech!

KAPOW! (http://home.comcast.net/~hpacevedo/guns/P1026665.JPG)


BTW I really don’t like the kobra sights. Not because of the optics or whatever (although they aren’t as good IMO) but I guess I'm just not compatible with anything mounted on the side rail. After using the eotech in the scout position, I just couldn’t get myself to really make it work.

I could take a "though-the-lens" pict if you wanted.

[454]

What pistol grip is that??

[MTMilitiaman]

If you're referring to the forward one, it looks like a Tango Down, but who knows...

[Packin' Heat]

You can find them all over the place on Ebay. Search for "tactical foregrip"

as seen in THIS (http://cgi.ebay.com/UTG-RIFLE-TACTICAL-MILITARY-FOREGRIP-RAIL-VERTICAL-GRIP_W0QQitemZ230033711666QQihZ013QQcategoryZ73953QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) random auction.

I was at an ATL gun show this past weekend and everybody was selling them. 24 was the cheapest, all the way up to 60, which is in the rediculous TangoDown price range.

I couldn't be more pleased with it. Its large and thick (thats what they all tell me :banana:)... so it fits my hand perfectly.

wow that doesnt sound right at all. :rofl:


but seriosuly, its at the right price, has the right features (preassure pad slots were the biggest selling point to me) and is solid as a rock.

[454]

Thanks!, Yep, I was talking about the forward one. I like the pressure switch too.

[Army of Juan]

Originally posted by MTMilitiaman
It is really personal preference, I think. The open style HUD sights might give a slightly wider field of view and might be somewhat faster. I don't know what real advantages the tubular style sights would have, but they do offer some very good red dot sights in this configuration as well.

If you have a side rail, the Russian PK-AS series and Kobra series both deserve your consideration. They are solid, durable, and reliable, and cost a fraction of what most similar quality Western sights cost. The Kobra is available in a Picitanny rail mount version, as is the PK-AS, but the PK-AS has critical eye relief that would make it impractical on a forward mount. The PK-AS, to its credit, is more precise than the Kobra, or most other red dot sights, and is almost unique in that it allows use while turned off, or with dead batteries. The reticle still shows up black even with the optic turned off. It still allows quick both-eyes open reflex style shooting, but also allows for greater precision beyond 150 to 200 yards because the center dot is only ~1 MOA. This makes the PK-AS more versitile, I think, than the Kobra or most other red dots. It is, however, a PITA to sight in.



Do you have a sideways photo of a PK sight mounted on an AK?

Thanks

[MTMilitiaman]

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/MTMilitiaman/AKrocksblackandwhite.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/MTMilitiaman/AKreddotrocks2.jpg

I'll hopefully get getting some better ones this weekend.

[Army of Juan]

Thanks for the pics.

That sight is really high over the bore. They make a lower mount that puts the sight slightly to the left, don't they?

[jrs93accord]

I just ordered a Kobra EKP-8-15 for my SSR-85C-2. This will be mounted on top of the new UltiMAK optics rail (replacement gas tube). I wanted a low profile AK oriented optic.

http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=114

[rushdooney]

I been looking on Ebay and found an A1 Optic 50mm Red Dot Rifle Scopes. They are fairly inexpensive, but the ad copy is pretty good - lifetime warranty, aluminum body, nitrogen filled, etc. Has anybody had any experience with them?

[MrMurphy]

You get what you pay for.


Never heard or them.

At least Kobras are in use by the Russians. Tough scope.

[MTMilitiaman]

Originally posted by Army of Juan
Thanks for the pics.

That sight is really high over the bore. They make a lower mount that puts the sight slightly to the left, don't they?

Yeah. It is just high enough that you can't get a solid cheek weld. For most of the both eyes open snap shooting I do, it isn't much of an issue. But there are times I wish it was lower. I picked the PK-AS-V model because I shoot left handed and figured it would be more convenient. The PK-AS sits lower and allows the use of iron sights, but is mounted off to the left in a manner similar how they mounted scopes on the Garand.

My bro's Kobra is the Picitanny rail version. I actually mounted it on the forward rail on my upper handguard and was surprised how solid and good it felt. It allowed for a little better of a cheek weld, and I imagine if you had something lower, like the Ultimak, the cheek weld would be very good. Additionally, I think the Kobra will end up being alot easier to sight in. The cheek weld issue and the PITA adjustment system are the two big strikes against the PK-AS series.

[DaGroaner]

Originally posted by rushdooney
I been looking on Ebay and found an A1 Optic 50mm Red Dot Rifle Scopes. They are fairly inexpensive, but the ad copy is pretty good - lifetime warranty, aluminum body, nitrogen filled, etc. Has anybody had any experience with them?

I don't know about that one, but I bought a 50mm and it's too friggin big, it collects too much light on a sunny day and even on it's brightest setting you can't see the dot very well. I'd recommend 30mm or maybe 40mm at the most. But all things being equal I'd get a Kobra if I was you, I have several and just love them. My favorite reticle is the plain chevron. I just purchased an ATN Ultra Compact Digital to mount above the scope on my S-308 but I haven't received it yet so I can't comment on it other than to say that it intrigued me enough to buy one.