SureSight Use in Competition ?

[NavArch]

1. I would like to compete in divisions that allow use of my everyday carry pistol. One skill set and equipment setup is tough enough, never mind two.
2. Due to my bifocals, I am seriously considering installing the SureSight "completed triangle" sights on my G23.

That said, My reading of the various rules gives me the following conclusions regarding SureSight acceptability:

IPSC - Production "NO"; Modified and Open "YES".
USPSA - Production and U.S. Production "NO"; Standard, Modified, and Open "YES"; U.S. Limited and U.S. Limited 10, I can't determine.
IDPA - "NO" in all divisions.

So - Have I read the rule books correctly, and does anyone have another answer to my sight problem that would give me more flexibility in competition? I will never be seriously competitive in shooting, but that's OK. Mostly, I'm looking for sociability with those of similar interests and a chance to shoot 'n scoot.

[NavArch]

I've never used the XS sights. Is that the obvious answer that I've worked so hard to avoid (for whatever reason)?

[ducati]

From what I can see of the sight it should be legal for all of the games mentioned. The sights appear to be apost and notch design. The sights I am aware of not being allowed are the ghost ring type. I have shot IDPA and USPSA with a variety of post and notch brand sights..

[elsolo]

I do believe they would be ruled a post-notch type sight and thus be legal for all divisions.

I did shoot a USPSA match with a guy that had those sights on his Glock, almost everybody in the squad ended up shooting his gun at some point to try them.

[NavArch]

Originally posted by elsolo
I do believe they would be ruled a post-notch type sight and thus be legal for all divisions.

I did shoot a USPSA match with a guy that had those sights on his Glock, almost everybody in the squad ended up shooting his gun at some point to try them.
By "those sights", do you mean the SureSight or the XS Big Dots? All of the indications from Chaim, who posts to GlockTalk, is that Suresights aren't actually available yet. Or was an earlier version sold to some shooters?

[Steve Koski]

Does anyone know of links that show the sights?

[Glock Dave]

http://www.suresight.com/home.htm

[Steve Koski]

That sure looks basically like the Ashley Outdoors big dot sights, which are allowed in IDPA. I imagine these would be too.

[Jim Watson]

I have seen one set of those sights on a gun at an IDPA match.
The owner did not win. I did not ask if he was doing better with them than with stock sights.

[Joe D]

Too many things to line up. Do you need your glasses to see the sights clearly? Can you see the front without them?

[Yar]

I've tried another competitiors gun with a triangle sight similar to the suresight. It was very fast but took some getting used to. I think I could learn to shoot it, but my eyes are just used to a more traditional notch and post. I think the sights I tried were the advantage tactical and I like the way they did the triangle more than the suresight.

One thing I am kind of wondering is if it'll limit your holster selection with that odd ball front sight.

[elsolo]

Originally posted by NavArch
By "those sights", do you mean the SureSight or the XS Big Dots? All of the indications from Chaim, who posts to GlockTalk, is that Suresights aren't actually available yet. Or was an earlier version sold to some shooters?

They were "Advantage Tactical" but the sight style is 99% the same.
The guy that had them was also president (or something) of the company and I got his business card, but I misplaced it. Fair to say it might have been a pre-production prototype.

[NavArch]

Originally posted by Joe D
Too many things to line up. Do you need your glasses to see the sights clearly? Can you see the front without them?
"Yes", and "Not clearly enough to shoot for points without them". ;-)

Astigmatism diagnosed when I was in 4th grade, and presbyopia the past 15 years. I wore contacts for 20+ years and they were just fine. Then I got older. Imagine that. Seriously, I also thought of using my right and left eyes for different functions (near and far). But, if I tried using one type of contact lens for near distance and another type for longer distances, the FAA wouldn't let me fly because both eyes have to be able to see near and far to pass their physical. And I know enough about the two-prescription-solution to know that my brain would likely get fried trying to switch between that setup and normal bifocals.

So, something big and obvious in the way of sights seems like the right answer - and getting some training in point shooting. Please understand. I am not blind without my glasses or a hopeless firearms disaster just waiting to happen. Just trying to improve my odds on the range and in the event of an unpleasant anti-social occurance.

[Leibster]

NavArch, and everyone else,

Thanks for considering SureSight!

As for their legality in IDPA, here is an email I received from IDPA headquarters:





From: "Robert Ray" ****@idpa.com
Date: Wed, Aug 30, 2006 3:04 pm

To: [email]info@suresight.com

Subject: Sight Legality

After review by IDPA Headquarters, the triangle sight produced by Suresight is a legal sight for use under IDPA guidelines. The sight, though innovative, still falls under a type of notch and post design.

Thank you,

Robert Ray
International Defensive Pistol Association


I hope that helps clarify things.

By the way, if anyone is interested in signing up for updates about SureSight, please visit THIS PAGE (http://www.suresight.com/Waiting%20List%20Capture%20Form.htm)

All the best,

Chaim Stein
President, SureSight LLC