Street Sweeper?

[BILL44MAG]

Does anyone know how hard the 12 round Street Sweeper is to come across nowaday and what the price tag is on them now... Back in 1991 I choose the Franchi SPAS with the the hook folder over the Street Sweeper when the local gun store had them both in stock back then....about nine years ago the ole ladies car needed to be fixed and I sold the SPA's for a lousy 400 bucks....but now I'm lookin into obtaining the Street Sweeper with the amazing ability of getting off 12 rounds of 12 gauge in 3 seconds....anyone come across any lately?...they have too be the Holy Grail of Tactical Shotguns!!!

[Black_Talon]

Good luck getting ahold of one. IIRC, they were declared NFA "Destructive Devices" way back in the mid 1990's.

[MrMurphy]

12 in 12 is nice, but can you hit anything with it?


A good Benelli M1 shooter can get off 7 rounds in 3-4 seconds and make 7 hits.

[Packin' Heat]

I think Saigas are the new, and better, Street Sweepers.

[epsylum]

Originally posted by Packin' Heat
I think Saigas are the new, and better, Street Sweepers.

SHHHH!!!

Don't say that. Last thing I need is some A-hole in the ATF declaring it a destructive device like the Stryker. I like mine without a needless tax stamp and paperwork thank you.


;)

[Vigilant]

Seems like I heard someone is building 10-round mags for the Saiga 12. That would make it VERY hard for me to NOT buy a Saiga 12!

Vig

[epsylum]

Originally posted by Vigilant
Seems like I heard someone is building 10-round mags for the Saiga 12. That would make it VERY hard for me to NOT buy a Saiga 12!

Vig

Yes and they are being tested by a couple mods of the Saiga forum right now. So far they have high praise for them. I have 3 preordred.

[ElevatedThreat]

Heck, you can get a rotary magazine conversion for a Mossy or an 870.

If you are into that sort of thing....

-ET

[n2wishn]

where can i get one of these i went to impact guns and they didn't have any available:thumbsup:

[ElevatedThreat]

Originally posted by n2wishn
where can i get one of these i went to impact guns and they didn't have any available:thumbsup:

For whatever reason, Knoxx (the same company that makes the equally questionable CopStock recoil-absorbing stock) makes a Sidewinder drum magazine conversion for Mossys and Remingtons. All of these things are, in my personal estimation, toys or gimmicks.

The Remington conversion requires a permanent modification to the shotgun to install it, and you will be taking a perfectly good high-quality shotgun with a good-handling tube magazine and converting it to an awkwardly-balanced gun with a heavy cheap plastic magazine swinging way below the gun. Why bother?

Exactly what application calls for a drum-fed shotgun escapes me. The original "Streetsweepers" were made as wind-up rotary shot guns only because they were intended to rapidly fire many rounds of non-lethal and less-lethal law-enforcement ammo, like gas shells, that would not cycle a regular semi-auto police gun because they lacked the gas or recoil necessary to do so. They are no faster than an 11-87 POLICE with regular ammo, although they hold a handful more ammo. (But remember, reloading speed is overwhelmingly on the side of the conventional magazine-tube shotgun, once the original ammo load has been expended. The Stretsweeper has to be disassembled, reassembled, and rewound to reload it.)

All of these things are gimmicks, the novelty of which will quickly wear off, leaving you with a gun less good than the one you started with.

I asked in another forum why someone wanted a clumsy 10-round clip-fed Saiga shotgun over a well-balanced 7 or 8-round tube-fed gun, and the only answer that made any sense was "because Sarah Brady tells me I should not have one."

I really do appreciate that sentiment, but understand that if you go for one of these things, it is strictly for the novelty and entertainment value provided -- it does not make the shotgun a better weapon, and I would never advise anyone using one of these things for self-defense.

As with any after-market magazine, 100% feeding reliability may or may not be there for you with it, and an anti-gun DA could have a real field day prosecuting you for being some kind of drooling immature wanna-be killer Ninja, who went to a great deal of trouble in advance to increase the "killing power" of his shotgun, and who was using excessive force in the course of living out some childish killer fantasy.

-ET

[Devils7]

I dont know if this matters, a friend of mine i use to work with 5 years ago, his dad had one. Shot it once. Put it back in the gun safe. Never fired it after that and will never fire it again. Its a beast and almost has no use but good value since there hard to come by. Very hard to control from what it seemed like. Thats all i remember him telling me about it.

[TED]

The SAIGA is, with the possible exception of the new US military only full auto shotgun that evolved from the AA12 or USAS12, the best combat shotgun EVER.

The Street Sweeper is awesome and a lot of fun, I own one and have had it for over a decade, but the SAIGA is the better wepaon over all.

TED

[ElevatedThreat]

Originally posted by TED
The SAIGA is, with the possible exception of the new US military only full auto shotgun that evolved from the AA12 or USAS12, the best combat shotgun EVER.
TED

A tube-fed shotgun holds 6 or 7 rounds in a well-balanced and conformal tube mag. The Saiga holds 10 rounds in a long underhanging box mag that swings around underneath the gun and greatly expands its footprint. (Try going prone with a gun of each design, and honestly assess which works better and is the more maneuverable.)

A tube-fed shotgun does not depend on the quality of several different detachable mags, each with exposed feed-lips, for its feeding reliability. The Saigia does.

A tube-fed shotgun can be topped off with individual rounds as it is fired, including switching between slug and buck. The Saiga must be shot dry before the mag is changed -- you could do a pistol-type tac-reload of the partially-expended shotgun mag I suppose, but then you must retain, and juggle the unused ammo between, several big clumsy mags. Changing between slug and buck requires changing the complete magazine.

A tube-fed shotgun can be fired while it is being topped off or reloaded. The Saiga is down for the count, or is at best a single-shot, while the mag is out and the gun is being reloaded.

Other than a few more rounds in the gun at the start of the first mag, every advantage of balance, maneuverability, reliabilty, and flexibility would seem to go to the conventional tube-fed gun.

I just can't see much objective advantage to a boxmag-fed shotgun design, other than the obvious subjective coolness quotient.

-ET

[HAVOC]

Originally posted by ElevatedThreat
A tube-fed shotgun holds 6 or 7 rounds in a well-balanced and conformal tube mag. The Saiga holds 10 rounds in a long underhanging box mag that swings around underneath the gun and greatly expands its footprint. (Try going prone with a gun of each design, and honestly assess which works better and is the more maneuverable.)

A tube-fed shotgun does not depend on the quality of several different detachable mags, each with exposed feed-lips, for its feeding reliability. The Saigia does.

A tube-fed shotgun can be topped off with individual rounds as it is fired, including switching between slug and buck. The Saiga must be shot dry before the mag is changed -- you could do a pistol-type tac-reload of the partially-expended shotgun mag I suppose, but then you must retain, and juggle the unused ammo between, several big clumsy mags. Changing between slug and buck requires changing the complete magazine.

A tube-fed shotgun can be fired while it is being topped off or reloaded. The Saiga is down for the count, or is at best a single-shot, while the mag is out and the gun is being reloaded.

Other than a few more rounds in the gun at the start of the first mag, every advantage of balance, maneuverability, reliabilty, and flexibility would seem to go to the conventional tube-fed gun.

I just can't see much objective advantage to a boxmag-fed shotgun design, other than the obvious subjective coolness quotient.

-ET

Yeah, the clumsy and fragile detachable box magazine is just a fad. That's why all the world's militaries are moving to parallel mag tubes for all their combat arms.

[ElevatedThreat]

Originally posted by HAVOC
Yeah, the clumsy and fragile detachable box magazine is just a fad. That's why all the world's militaries are moving to parallel mag tubes for all their combat arms.

Detachable mags are not really an option on an AR at the moment, but they are on a shotgun -- which is why they are not commonly used on shotguns.

In fact, the military would LOVE to get rid of the clumsy, delicate, relatively unreliable, protruding bottom box magazine -- for all the disadvantages that I mentioned in my post.

There have been, and are ongoing, a number of serious efforts to move the magazine to the top of the rifle, with the rounds carried oriented 90-degrees to the barrel, and provide a mechanism to turn them parallel to the barrel and feed them into the action.

The clumsy, poorly-balanced bottom magazine holds on with military rifles only because to date, the mechanisms to feed rounds from conformal top-mounted mags are so far even LESS reliable and more delicate than the bottom-mounted box mag.

But the combat shotgun already has a reliable conformal tube-fed magazine design of modest capacity, and since the Saiga box magazine provides only a couple of rounds more while bringing in all the many disadvantages of that design, it is not clear why one would want to adopt the box mag for a general-use combat shotgun. Again, TactiCool looks notwithstanding.

-ET

[n2wishn]

thank you gentlemen for the responses it is always interesting to get opinions on weapons before you buy them. it's always a pain to buy something and then not want it. basically, if i'm understanding you gents correctly you're saying that it is not a good weapon because your profile in a cqb situation(closest i'll come is home protection) would be compromised from the petruding box style mag and also you can't reload until the mag is empty wow!:shocked: that sucks... i have never tried the saiga before and i was going to buy it off the praise others have chanted. thanks for the info again. :thumbsup:

[TED]

Yeah, the detachabel box mag fed semi auto shotgun just completely sucks, just like semi auto detachable box mag fed rifels all completely suck. The fact that they share a similiar manual of arms and that this manual of arms is more common in shoulder mounted weapons in general totally sucks. Saying that they are trying to put the detachable mag on top, were it true, is still a detachable mag.

BTW, just because a 10rd mag exist does not prevent you from using the other smaller capacity mags.

TED