View Full Version : Glock full-auto... WHY?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0sOVKbYR20
When I saw this video clip, I just had to wonder why anyone would modify their Glock to this extreme? Why would any gunsmith risk his FFL and any shooter risk loosing his gun rights much less his freedom? If something like this is legal, I sure haven't read about it. I guess there's a certain "wow" factor about it, but my opinion is that the anti-gun lobby could use something like this to further their protests against lawful gun ownership. Any others bothered by this?
Green_Manelishi
10-22-2006, 21:42
It might be a Glock 18. It might be a modified non-18. I would not want one, I'd rather have a MP5. No, I am not bothered by it as long as it's legal. The antis don't like guns in general; they only claim that it's certain types they do not like and that is a crock of BS.
RichieRich3902
10-22-2006, 21:43
I believe that is a Glock 18 specificly manufactured as a select fire pistol, it isn't a home smith modification, esp. since that is very illegal.
Rich
:popcorn:...i want one:banana:
I've read plans on how to do it, they claim it can be put in or out in seconds. Why? Why not? Probably pretty cool to shoot a few times.
Not even close to being worth 10yrs in the clink and i would never do it, but people who live in the boonies have a different view sometimes.
Doesn't look like an 18, i think they are all compensated.
That is just an ordinary glock with an FSSG added on the back of the slide.
http://www.fss-g.com/index2.htm
mangkukhan
10-22-2006, 21:48
i dunno what that is, i dont think its a real glock, maybe a glock slide but the things got a hammer on it, and i thought the glock 18 looked identical to the 17 except the selector switch, maybe im wrong but i dont thinks thats even really a glock.
seand1111
10-22-2006, 21:49
That is not an 18, there is a fun switch on the back, the 18 has the fun switch on the side.
Jack Black
10-22-2006, 21:50
Doesn't look like an 18 to me. It has an extension off the rear that's part of the device to make it full auto. I don't think the 18 has that extension.
Looks like a glock to me...hhhmmmm yup it's a glock:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLOCK_18
You guys are right. I just read this webpage which explains what you are saying. I appreciate the quick answers. Thanks!
waltherone
10-22-2006, 22:00
Originally posted by Glock 19c,PH
That is just an ordinary glock with an FSSG added on the back of the slide.
http://www.fss-g.com/index2.htm
Glock 19c,PH and waltherone... thanks for the link. I wasn't aware that any company made these, not that I intend to rush out and buy one or even could buy one. I'm guessing these are only available to LEO. The video clip on their website is the same one posted above from youtube.com So I guess it's legit under certain circumstances. So I learned two things about Glocks I didn't know thanks to you guys. Hope I'm not the only one. BTW, I generally stay behind the curve. Think of all the ammo I'll save by shooting my G19 in semi-auto.
NYC Drew
10-22-2006, 22:29
Originally posted by roymail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0sOVKbYR20
When I saw this video clip, I just had to wonder why anyone would modify their Glock to this extreme? Why would any gunsmith risk his FFL and any shooter risk loosing his gun rights much less his freedom? If something like this is legal, I sure haven't read about it. I guess there's a certain "wow" factor about it, but my opinion is that the anti-gun lobby could use something like this to further their protests against lawful gun ownership. Any others bothered by this?
I trust that you realise that full automatic + suppressed + short barreled rifles are the norm in Europe.
We are still reacting from the earlier part of the 19th century, when the bad guys had tommy guns.
Originally posted by roymail
Glock 19c,PH and waltherone... thanks for the link. I wasn't aware that any company made these, not that I intend to rush out and buy one or even could buy one. I'm guessing these are only available to LEO. The video clip on their website is the same one posted above from youtube.com So I guess it's legit under certain circumstances. So I learned two things about Glocks I didn't know thanks to you guys. Hope I'm not the only one. BTW, I generally stay behind the curve. Think of all the ammo I'll save by shooting my G19 in semi-auto.
It's fun to shoot glocks in full auto try it some time.:thumbsup:
Originally posted by waltherone
thank you.
sigpro357
10-22-2006, 23:10
There's a video of a guy shooting a full auto glock on the internet. In the video he doesn't fire all the rounds at one time. He shoots them in bursts into silhouettes. Shooting at one then another and so on. It looks very devestating to be able to squeeze the trigger for a second and put 5 or 6 rounds on a human sized silhouette. I could think of a few instances where that might be usefully. Especially when you had a 33 round Glock mag in the firearm.
Desertscout
10-22-2006, 23:13
Full-auto firearms are neither illegal or restricted to LE unless individual state laws prohibit or restrict them. Federal law does not.
toots shor
10-22-2006, 23:16
that is a glock 18.
Desertscout
10-22-2006, 23:33
No, that is NOT a G18. As has already been pointed out, the select-fire switch is on the side of the 18 and the gun in the clip has it on the back.
Just an FYI, G18's are not all compensated. They come either way.
Originally posted by toots shor
that is a glock 18.
Nope that is not a G18.
3 weelin geezer
10-23-2006, 02:04
Nope its not a G18. I think by the looks its a 17. The thing on the back acts like an autosear with a modification to the trigger bar I believe to cause it to shoot real fast like that. The fssg thing is just available to goobment agencies of course since you would be making a 'new' machine gun for civilian consumption.
Bill Keith
10-23-2006, 07:57
That is a converted full auto G7. The one being shot belongs to Bruce Willis.
Hickeroar
10-23-2006, 08:07
If a person/business has a Class-3 license, it's not illegal to own automatic weapons or modify weapons to be full auto.
This is a widely circulated video. I'd bet the person firing the Glock has a license to own it...
When I saw this video clip, I just had to wonder why anyone would modify their Glock to this extreme? Why would any gunsmith risk his FFL and any shooter risk loosing his gun rights much less his freedom? If something like this is legal, I sure haven't read about it. I guess there's a certain "wow" factor about it, but my opinion is that the anti-gun lobby could use something like this to further their protests against lawful gun ownership. Any others bothered by this?
I'm not bothered by it. It's probably legal because he's using a legally manufactured component. As for the anti-gun crowd, they'd have us dis-armed anyway!
It would be fun to shoot a couple times but I spend enough on ammo as it is!
3 weelin geezer
10-23-2006, 12:50
Originally posted by Hickeroar
If a person/business has a Class-3 license, it's not illegal to own automatic weapons or modify weapons to be full auto.
This is a widely circulated video. I'd bet the person firing the Glock has a license to own it... a license to own/kill is good only if he is james bond. All others need a form 4. No a class 3 license is for selling them. They (the ones on the shelf) are not actually yours. To modify or make full auto weapons you have to be a class 2 and you can only sell to the goobment or police. But for you and me it IS illegal to modify them.
UZIFORME
10-23-2006, 20:37
Originally posted by roymail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0sOVKbYR20
When I saw this video clip, I just had to wonder why anyone would modify their Glock to this extreme? Why would any gunsmith risk his FFL and any shooter risk loosing his gun rights much less his freedom? If something like this is legal, I sure haven't read about it. I guess there's a certain "wow" factor about it, but my opinion is that the anti-gun lobby could use something like this to further their protests against lawful gun ownership. Any others bothered by this?
If machineguns scare you, then why are you participating in a machinegun discussion forum?
Halojumper
10-23-2006, 21:04
Originally posted by NYC Drew
We are still reacting from the earlier part of the 19th century, when the bad guys had tommy guns.
How did they do that when they weren't invented til the early part of the 20th century?
3 weelin geezer
10-24-2006, 09:38
I think he meant the 1900's.
NYC Drew
10-24-2006, 09:49
Originally posted by 3 weelin geezer
I think he meant the 1900's.
yeah early 1900's.
http://science.enotes.com/how-products-encyclopedia/thompson-submachine-gun
kckndrgn
10-24-2006, 09:53
The range that I work at in Memphis has a G34 -full auto glock - for rent :banana: :banana:
The G34, I think is the long slide 9mm glock. It has the selector switch on the back of the slide.
just my 2cents :)
Ryan
Halojumper
10-24-2006, 10:12
Originally posted by 3 weelin geezer
I think he meant the 1900's.
Duh! :)
MERCMADE
10-25-2006, 21:47
22c
fssg
scherer 29 round
glock mags
corbons(135s)
look closely , behind the slide is the fssg,completely controllable, especially since its a "c"
trackstar55
10-26-2006, 23:46
Originally posted by mercfreak22c
22c
fssg
scherer 29 round
glock mags
corbons(135s)
look closely , behind the slide is the fssg,completely controllable, especially since its a "c"
What is the criteria to own a fssg? I am a patrol officer/range officer and I am interested in one for testing.
UZIFORME
10-27-2006, 02:16
Must be department owned and issued to you as a duty weapon.
aggiegunner
10-29-2006, 00:40
Originally posted by UZIFORME
Must be department owned and issued to you as a duty weapon.
It is good to be the Sherriff;)
LokNesMonster
10-29-2006, 08:37
Originally posted by Glock 19c,PH
:popcorn:...i want one:banana:
I would like one for home defense. I can't think of a more effective weapon...
Sleeperj21
10-29-2006, 12:32
It would be nice to own either way but I can bet you will have a hard time hitting something unless you 10ft or less away.
Andy Holzrichte
10-29-2006, 22:46
Originally posted by Sleeperj21
It would be nice to own either way but I can bet you will have a hard time hitting something unless you 10ft or less away.
You might be surprised. I've done a magdump on a full auto G19C w/ a G18 mag & could keep them all COM on a B27 quite easily at 7 yards.
aggiegunner
10-29-2006, 23:11
Originally posted by Andy Holzrichte
You might be surprised. I've done a magdump on a full auto G19C w/ a G18 mag & could keep them all COM on a B27 quite easily at 7 yards.
Yep, machine pistols can be quite controllable, especially with practice.
Everyone should own one, so lets get the MG ban overturned...
VN350X10
11-05-2006, 15:54
Full auto is neat, but I would have to meet 2 criteria first...
1)Move from the Peoples Republik of Illinois
2)How the hell do I reliably put a motor on my Dillon 1050 ?
Originally posted by LokNesMonster
I would like one for home defense. I can't think of a more effective weapon...
12 gauge Shotgun > auto GLOCK:thumbsup:
Andy Holzrichte
11-05-2006, 22:14
Originally posted by bigj480
12 gauge Shotgun > auto GLOCK:thumbsup:
I like a 12 Ga, but I'm afraid that if I could choose between a G19C w/ a full auto conversion & a 12 Ga, the Glock would win. The Glock is easy to control, holds 33 rounds of ammo w/ a G18 mag & is compact. Mag changes are also fast on the off chance I needed to reload.
VN350X10
11-05-2006, 22:17
In a tight spot, your handgun is only useful to fight your way back to the long gun you should of had closer when the party started !
uncle albert
Halojumper
11-05-2006, 23:18
Originally posted by VN350X10
In a tight spot, your handgun is only useful to fight your way back to the long gun you should of had closer when the party started !
uncle albert
So nobody has ever successfully defended themselves with a handgun alone?
RenegadeGlocker
11-06-2006, 18:10
Originally posted by Halojumper
So nobody has ever successfully defended themselves with a handgun alone?
For everyone who has successfully defended themselves with a handgun alone, there is often someone who got killed because they only had a handgun. All things equal, I will take superior firepower. YMMV.
Halojumper
11-06-2006, 18:26
Originally posted by RenegadeGlocker
For everyone who has successfully defended themselves with a handgun alone, there is often someone who got killed because they only had a handgun. All things equal, I will take superior firepower. YMMV.
While I agree that superior firepower is better when it's available, I'm a bit skeptical that there is a one to one relationship between those who defended themselves with a handgun and those who got killed because that's all they had. What's your source for this bit of wisdom?
RenegadeGlocker
11-06-2006, 18:31
Originally posted by Halojumper
While I agree that superior firepower is better when it's available, I'm a bit skeptical that there is a one to one relationship between those who defended themselves with a handgun and those who got killed because that's all they had. What's your source for this bit of wisdom?
Me too, that is why I DID NOT WRITE "one to one relationship", and instead wrote "often".
Here is a good source for the definition of "often".
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/often
Halojumper
11-06-2006, 18:33
Originally posted by RenegadeGlocker
Me too, that is why I DID NOT WRITE "one to one relationship", and instead wrote "often".
Yet you started your statement with "For everyone", maybe a little politician speak there? Try to make it sound absolute, while covering your bets?
RenegadeGlocker
11-06-2006, 18:46
Originally posted by Halojumper
Yet you started your statement with "For everyone", maybe a little politician speak there? Try to make it sound absolute, while covering your bets?
My statement is completely unambiguous.
Andy Holzrichte
11-06-2006, 19:37
Originally posted by RenegadeGlocker
My statement is completely unambiguous.
But a full auto Glock is no longer a handgun. It's a machine pistol & will enable you to obtain multiple hits. Personal preference, training, and environment would determine if the shorter, more easily reloadable machine pistol is more advantageous, or if the shotgun is better.
RenegadeGlocker
11-06-2006, 19:50
Originally posted by Andy Holzrichte
But a full auto Glock is no longer a handgun. It's a machine pistol & will enable you to obtain multiple hits. Personal preference, training, and environment would determine if the shorter, more easily reloadable machine pistol is more advantageous, or if the shotgun is better.
Well the thread got hijacked and I was responding to this comment about handguns, "So nobody has ever successfully defended themselves with a handgun alone?".
Your comments about capacity and reload speed vs. a shotgun though are good points.
Andy Holzrichte
11-06-2006, 19:58
Originally posted by RenegadeGlocker
Well the thread got hijacked and I was responding to this comment about handguns, "So nobody has ever successfully defended themselves with a handgun alone?".
Your comments about capacity and reload speed vs. a shotgun though are good points.
I'd probably agree with you on the Glock machine pistol if I hadn't shot one. A G19C w/ a conversion on the back is absolutely scary. Three round bursts are easy. There is ZERO muzzle climb. It stays flat & spits out rounds where you aim them.
RenegadeGlocker
11-06-2006, 20:04
Originally posted by Andy Holzrichte
I'd probably agree with you on the Glock machine pistol if I hadn't shot one. A G19C w/ a conversion on the back is absolutely scary. Three round bursts are easy. There is ZERO muzzle climb. It stays flat & spits out rounds where you aim them.
I know, though I prefer 5 round bursts on a G17.
http://tradecraft.us/Images/Glock18.jpg
Halojumper
11-06-2006, 20:33
Originally posted by RenegadeGlocker
My statement is completely unambiguous.
Of course it is, and you never had $ex with "that woman" right?
VN350X10
11-06-2006, 21:27
Whoa, Guys, back up a minuite here.......
I didn't intend to start the deficant into the rotary osilator here..
just that IF you know the ball is going to go up, a long gun usually is a better choice than a handgun.
I have no doubts of my capabilities with a handgun, I used to shoot "Siliuates Metalicas" & the ranges are:
50 M = chicken
100 M = javalina
150 M = turkey
200 M = desert ram
course of fire is 5 of each, twice, total of 40 targets. They're made of steel & must fall down to score. The ram weighs about 40 lbs, as the targets are lifesize.
But in MOST cases, a shotgun beats a handgun for in-home defense.
uncle albert
Here in Iraq, the rear slide plate can be purchased which is identical looking to the factory piece from the outside, doesn't have the knob looking thing on it as 1 photo shows. PSD teams use it for close quarters encounters. It's a blast to shoot here.
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