Slugs @ wal mart

[wonderwolf]

I always start to haunt the hunting section of our nations great "marts" this time of the year cause its hunting season and WOW do these places really stock up on all sorts of slugs. In the past I go in about this time of year and pick up about 3 15 round value boxes of the normal slugs for my behind the door gun. This year the value boxes of 15 rounds is $6.54 in my wal mart. Is this a good price? I'm in no hurry and I'm sure they will go on sale towards end of the season I just dont wanna miss out.

[Buckaroo]

Originally posted by wonderwolf
I always start to haunt the hunting section of our nations great "marts" this time of the year cause its hunting season and WOW do these places really stock up on all sorts of slugs. In the past I go in about this time of year and pick up about 3 15 round value boxes of the normal slugs for my behind the door gun. This year the value boxes of 15 rounds is $6.54 in my wal mart. Is this a good price? I'm in no hurry and I'm sure they will go on sale towards end of the season I just dont wanna miss out. Yep thats a very good price! I could not find them at my local Wally World.

[zzzarkt]

That is a good price, I also cannot get slugs at my local Wal-Mart.

Biggest stuff they ever have is #4 shot. :steamed:

[Guns & Cockpits]

Mine carries bird shot, and a ton of it. But that's it. Nothing else for the shotties.

[wonderwolf]

yeah I did notice that they did not carry any buckshot in any size for anything. I wonder why that is? not as many people use buckshot? or some places may have restrictions on it?

[unlearned69]

It's wild how different each walmart can be. Mine sells 00 buck. They are phasing out a lot of rifles though.

[G31Steve]

Yeah its weird how some differ one near my just has tons of birdshot,the other has plenty of slugs and buck and 3inch magnum buck.I picked up 2 boxes of slugs for about the same price the other day.

[wonderwolf]

they look at the demand I'm sure from year to year and figure out what area likes what rifles,ammo and hunting gear. and music and food and everything else I'm sure.

[PAPACHUCK]

I took advantage of the same sale, although my WM had both slugs and 00 Buck for $6.54.
I ain't sayin' how many I bought though!

:tongueout:

[unlearned69]

Wonderwolf- You're absolutely right. I'm sure they do tons of research in that area. You'd have to to be the biggest company in the world. It's just amusing that two Walmarts within two miles of each other can have totally different sporting goods sections. Best one I have ever been in was in Fredericksburg, TX. It was about three times the size of the one near me, and it was darn near all hunting. Maybe two tennis raquets, on soccer ball, and a bike. It was awesome!

[AZG30guy]

That is a good price, I also cannot get slugs at my local Wal-Mart.

Hey ZZZARKT,

I'm in Tucson, & the Walmart's I got to got Winchester Super X Slugs and 00 buck. Which one are you going to? I go to the one at Speedway and Kolb.

[zzzarkt]

Originally posted by AZG30guy
Hey ZZZARKT,

I'm in Tucson, & the Walmart's I got to got Winchester Super X Slugs and 00 buck. Which one are you going to? I go to the one at Speedway and Kolb.


I must admit it has been some time since I have checked, they probably hove them stocked now for hunting season.

Thanks AZG30guy, I will check the Speedway Walmart.

[Leigh]

Originally posted by unlearned69
It's wild how different each walmart can be. Mine sells 00 buck. They are phasing out a lot of rifles though.

Add to that that in certain states the use any type of buckshot (or even possession of it during hunting season) is illegal.

With the "marts" It all comes down to which rounds/shells will sell in a certain area and which will not.

[buellxb9rider]

the local super wally had federal tactical slugs and 00 a couple times.not always though.

[riddler]

I personally prefer #1 steel shots instead of 00 buckshot for HD. Got a box of 25 rounds for $13 something in Wally world.

[Buckaroo]

Originally posted by riddler
I personally prefer #1 steel shots instead of 00 buckshot for HD. Got a box of 25 rounds for $13 something in Wally world. Can you tell us why you would prefer #1 Steel? Thanks!

[Vigilant]

I bought a few packs of slugs and some Blazer Brass .40 at Wal Mart yesterday. The cashier gave me a funny look and said, "You looking to start a WAR?". I gave her a crappy look back and replied, "Depends on who's asking".

Vig

[riddler]

Originally posted by Buckaroo
Can you tell us why you would prefer #1 Steel? Thanks!

I too was a "00 buckshot for HD" guy until I did my own "not-really-scientific" tests on animal carcasses. Based on such test, I looked around if there were some research to support my "not-really-scientific" findings. Lo and behold, I was not the first to do such an experimentation.

Check this link out: ===> Comparing shotgun ammunitions <=== (http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_nonsub/shotguns/shotgun_ammunition.html)

At the bottom of the page there is a paragraph that states this:

"While 00 buckshot is certainly the most popular, based on their internally generated minimum penetration criteria, Dr Martin Fakler and the IWBA suggest that #1 buckshot is a better balance of penetration, shot diameter, and pellet count. After conducting our own gelatin tests as well as tests on deer sized game, we tend to agree with them."

Why steel and not lead????? 2 reasons:

- Steel is harder than lead which "I" think will do more damage than the latter against a tougher material.

- Steel is also lighter than lead which makes it faster.


Again, my personal belief is that 16 .300 pellets does more damage than 9 (or even 12 in the case of a magnum round) .330 pellets

[riddler]

Ooooooppps! forgot to include the Shotgun terminal ballistics (http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/ballistics_shotgun.html) page.

check out the links in the "Calibrated Wound Profile Library". A picture is worth a thousand words they say....
;) ;)

[HAVOC]

#1 steel is ~NOT~ the same diameter as #1 buck. It's just over half the size.

Steel's lighter weight is also going to give you significantly less penetration in most taget media. Which might be good for your situation, as that includes walls, as well as open air. Reduced overpenetration and overshoot risk.

My biggest concern with steel is ricochet though. Lead shot bounces like crap, and it only skips moderately. Steel is harder and bouncier. A hard piece of metal furniture in the house may well put pellets back in your face.

[riddler]

Originally posted by HAVOC
#1 steel is ~NOT~ the same diameter as #1 buck. It's just over half the size.

Steel's lighter weight is also going to give you significantly less penetration in most taget media. Which might be good for your situation, as that includes walls, as well as open air. Reduced overpenetration and overshoot risk.

My biggest concern with steel is ricochet though. Lead shot bounces like crap, and it only skips moderately. Steel is harder and bouncier. A hard piece of metal furniture in the house may well put pellets back in your face.

In the chart in the link provided, it states that while the sectional density between a #1 lead and #1 steel shot is different, they do have the same 0.300 diameter. But without a micrometer of my own, I could not confirm this.

You are right about over-penetration. That is one thing that really concerns me in a home-defense situation.

As for richochet, other than my safe, almost everything in the house is easily penetrated by a steel shot. But then again, a stray shot will get you whether it is lead or steel if it is really meant to be. :sad:

[HAVOC]

Originally posted by riddler
In the chart in the link provided, it states that while the sectional density between a #1 lead and #1 steel shot is different, they do have the same 0.300 diameter. But without a micrometer of my own, I could not confirm this.


Yes, #1buck is .3" in diameter regardless of the material. However, the #1 steel you're buying is almost certainly #1 BIRDshot, which is .16" and 10% the weight of lead #1buck. I've never seen steel buckshot of any size, anywhere.

From your link:

While we've never heard of anyone making steel buckshot, we've chosen to include the calculations for steel sectional density simply for interest's sake.

If you flip through the gel pics, they talk about penetration risks and home defense. If overpenetration is a concern for you, pick #2 lead shot for the first one or two loads in the gun, and back it up with real buck or slugs incase you've found yourself in a real gunfight, where birdshot of any type is woefully inadequate. Steel offers no real advantage and a few real disadvantages.

[riddler]

This is new to me!

I have been using #1 buckshots at the range and based plainly on the "carnage" it makes on the target, I am certain that it would be ideal for HD

Seeing such a deal at Wally World, I figured that #1 steel would be just that (same size as a #1 buckshot) but the pellets are made of steel which would be even better for my intended purpose because of the reasons I posted above. :shocked: I guess my bargain was not such a bargain after all. :sad: :sad:

I stand corrected and am off to find me some #1 buckshots. Thanks HAVOC!!!!

[HAVOC]

You might consider 4buck... it's quite adequate at making a mess of a target, but will penetrate less than 1buck. It's also commonly available (much more so than 1buck). If you look at that chart again, lead 4buck is 25% lighter than the mythical steel 1buck.

If all pellets strike the intended target (likely when utilized at closer range) #4 buckshot offers several times the effective wound channel creation capabilities over both #1 and 00 buck.