V2 vs V3 P2000

[Jamsit]

I am looking at buying a P2000 for a first hand gun and would like some advice as to which version to get the V1 5.5LB DAO, the V2 8LB DAO, or the V3 DA/SA.
I must add that I have very little experience with handgun but I have done lots of research as to which handgun I want and this seems to be the best choice.

[GixxerSixxer]

V3 is the DA/SA with a decocker. Some people can't shoot well with a DA/SA trigger. The P2000 can't be carried "cocked-and-locked" so you can't overcome the DA trigger pull issue.

The LEM trigger is a great improvement and HKpro.com has a tutorial on how to reduce the trigger weight more. The LEM is similar to the Glock trigger; however, the LEM additionally has second strike capability. LEM is a good option for people who are new to handguns since it gives a nice consistent trigger pull.

8lb DAO takes practice to shoot well with. You have to shoot it like you do a revolver and it takes time to master. You have to be smooth and pull the trigger directly back. 8lb DAO is my least favorite design.

I've been eyeing the P2000 as well, but I'm thinking I'll wait until the P3000 comes out. I am going to get either the LEM or DA/SA.

[jmoln]

G6,

I'm confused now - are you saying there is a DAO in addition to the LEM and DA/SA options?

[GixxerSixxer]

Originally posted by jmoln
G6,

I'm confused now - are you saying there is a DAO in addition to the LEM and DA/SA options?

Yes. That variant is not common in the US. IIRC HK has something like 10 variants.

ETA here is link further explaining the variants. http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/index.jsp?loc=101&SITEID=A&PartNumber=704501

[choochboost]

GixxerSixxer, make sure you know what you're talking about before you post. The only way the LEM is like a Glock trigger is that it is the same pull every time, other than that, the two triggers are nothing alike. The variants you linked are for the USP, not the P2000. The P2000 variants are completely different.

P2000 V1
Innovative safety-trigger system with integrated striker in the hammer at a constant level of trigger pull (Combat Defence Action 20 N) from the first to the last round, without decocking lever.

P2000 V2
As P2000 V1, but trigger pull CDA 32,5 N.

P2000 V3
Conventional SA/DA trigger and hammer, with decocking lever.

P2000 V4
As P2000 V1, but trigger pull CD A 27,5 N.

P2000 V5
Conventional "DA Only" – trigger pull 36N.

[GixxerSixxer]

Originally posted by choochboost
GixxerSixxer, make sure you know what you're talking about before you post. The only way the LEM is like a Glock trigger is that it is the same pull every time, other than that, the two triggers are nothing alike. The variants you linked are for the USP, not the P2000. The P2000 variants are completely different.

P2000 V1
Innovative safety-trigger system with integrated striker in the hammer at a constant level of trigger pull (Combat Defence Action 20 N) from the first to the last round, without decocking lever.

P2000 V2
As P2000 V1, but trigger pull CDA 32,5 N.

P2000 V3
Conventional SA/DA trigger and hammer, with decocking lever.

P2000 V4
As P2000 V1, but trigger pull CD A 27,5 N.

P2000 V5
Conventional "DA Only" – trigger pull 36N.

OK before you try and call me out more notice I said the LEM is SIMILAR to the safe action! I didn't say the LEM was stolen from Glock and put in the P2000. I'll leave that for S&W and their Sigma. I did say that the LEM gave a consistent pull each time. I added on that the LEM has second strike capability which the Glock does not.

I give enough credit to the OP that he can figure out LEM does not equal safe action due to the fact that I noted the LEM is superior given 2nd strike capability.

I'm far too lazy to give the OP the education of the internal workings difference between the LEM and safe action in one post. I notice you also did the same.

FURTHERMORE, I stated that the P2000 V3 is DA/SA which is the same thing you posted. For the other trigger configurations I didn't refer to a variant. I just talked about my ease and experience of shooting and learning to shoot the different designs that he gave. I didn't even include all the trigger variants for the P2000. THE OP ASKED FOR ADVICE ABOUT WHICH ONE TO GET NOT WHICH VARIANT DOES WHAT, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN ANSWERED HIS QUESTION. If I said "get a V15 because you can just make a hard wish and it goes off" you could bust my balls.

I'll partially give in to you regarding my link. I interpreted jmoln to be asking if HK even produced a DAO pistol. I didn't think jmol was still keeping things P2000 specific. I said I thought there were 10 variants and I showed him 10. My reply to jmol was intended to be off-topic. Looking back I can see that he could have meant P2000 specific. Overall, I'm still not wrong in saying that HK does make a DAO model of the P2000. You supplied that it's the V5.

So, did you want to help the OP by offering any input regarding which variant he should get; or did you just want to show the internet you could "Ctrl + C" and "Ctrl + V" info off a website to attempt to make me look like I'm full of BS?

[choochboost]

Got a lot on your mind, huh?
Originally posted by GixxerSixxer
OK before you try and call me out more notice I said the LEM is SIMILAR to the safe action!...I give enough credit to the OP that he can figure out LEM does not equal safe action due to the fact that I noted the LEM is superior given 2nd strike capability. I'm far too lazy to give the OP the education of the internal workings difference between the LEM and safe action in one post.
My point is that the feel of the LEM is nothing like a Glock and therefore they cannot be compared. The LEM is long and typically heavier, than the short Glock trigger with similarly short reset.

I'll partially give in to you regarding my link. I interpreted jmoln to be asking if HK even produced a DAO pistol.
LEM is DAO.

So, did you want to help the OP by offering any input regarding which variant he should get; or did you just want to show the internet you could "Ctrl + C" and "Ctrl + V" info off a website to attempt to make me look like I'm full of BS?
Man, you'd got attitude tonight. You must feel that bad info is better than no info. I thought it more important to prevent him from being misled than answering his question which can only be given a very subjective answer.

To the OP, I wouldn't go with LEM unless you've tried it. Personally I hate it, and I've always preferred DA/SA guns anyway. I chose to get a V3 DA/SA and I'm very happy with it.

[jmoln]

Ok guys, lets just lighten up a little bit here. Since my name is being batted around in the response let me clarify my question which by the way has been completely answered.

1) My knowledge of the HK variants did not extend to the V5 so I learned something new. IMHO the V5 variant is what I would call a true DAO which again to my way of thinking is what you get with a revolver - a long, heavy, consistent pull that cocks and releases. I didn't realize HK had that option and based on my limited experience I would not recommend it.

2) With that definition of a DAO stated I place the LEM and Safe Action in a different category than a DAO. They are both lighter in pull and have the benefit of a consistent pull weight which many will consider to be a superior system over the DA/SA.

3) I acknowledge the differences between the LEM and Safe Action such as pull weight, smoothness, length of reset, and second strike.

4) I recently had the opportunity to shoot a USP9f with the LEM trigger and make a direct comparison to my G26 and my buddy's G19. Again IMHO the LEM is vastly better but still simliar. For a further description see my post in this section entitled "USP9 LEM first time".

5) I hope to try out the LEM on the P2000 very soon as my experience with the USP was so good. Based on that USP experience I would give the LEM system a good recommendation.

[Jamsit]

You have all been a great help so far and encourage more advice as I still have about 1 month before I can purchase the gun so please continue to leave your thought also anyone who knows where I might be able to fire the different variants in either the orlando area or the front range in colorado the information would be appreciated