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gwalchmai
11-16-2006, 09:28
Sorry, I can't say renewed anymore, I guess. I reapplied for my permit this morning.

The entire process, including driving down the road to the annex for fingerprints, took 1 hour. There was one other guy getting his, the clerks were both efficient and courteous, and everyone accepts cash or credit cards.

As I was leaving the fingerprint guy said it's taking two weeks to a month for permits, which doesn't sound bad. I'll let y'all know how long it really takes.

dissthis
11-28-2006, 09:13
I renewed (re-applied) for mine in Cobb, 3 months before my old one was to expire. I got my new one the day BEFORE mine expired = 88 days to get new one.

Go to www.georgiapacking.org if you have not already, there is a whole section dedicated to renewals etc

MalumProhibitum
11-29-2006, 09:23
Originally posted by gwalchmai
Sorry, I can't say renewed anymore, I guess.


Yeah, the new statute only uses the word "renewal" 24 times!

Anyway, did the form require you to disclose your social security number and employment information?

Did you request, and did they issue, a temporary renewal license?

GCO forced Cobb County to issue temporaries. Link here (http://georgiacarry.org/cms/2006/11/01/update-cobb-county-issues-temporaries/)

gwalchmai
11-29-2006, 09:31
Originally posted by MalumProhibitum
Anyway, did the form require you to disclose your social security number and employment information?
The info was requested on the form and I gave it. I don't know if they would have required it.

Did you request, and did they issue, a temporary renewal license? I didn't request one.

MalumProhibitum
11-29-2006, 10:04
One more question: Did the form indicate that the SSN was "Optional, but may prevent misidentification" under the blank line for SSN?

gwalchmai
11-29-2006, 10:09
Originally posted by MalumProhibitum
One more question: Did the form indicate that the SSN was "Optional, but may prevent misidentification" under the blank line for SSN? AAMOF, I think it did, but I wouldn't swear to it.

MalumProhibitum
11-29-2006, 10:14
OK, thanks. Sorry for all the questions, but GCO has been trying to get this stuff removed (it is actually a violation of federal law to demand the SSN as a condition of application).

More Info Here (http://georgiacarry.org/cms/2006/11/08/update-appellant-files-brief-in-ssn-case-appeal-to-eleventh-circuit/)

birdbarian
12-01-2006, 23:26
Can you post when you get it so your fellow Gwinnetians will have a guesstimate how long it'll take. Mine expires Fall of '07.

gwalchmai
12-02-2006, 06:57
Sure will.

MalumProhibitum
12-04-2006, 09:33
Originally posted by birdbarian
Can you post when you get it so your fellow Gwinnetians will have a guesstimate how long it'll take. Mine expires Fall of '07.

FYI, Gwinnett is one of the fastest counties in Georgia.

Look at this link for further information about Gwinnett (http://www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=283&highlight=gwinnett)
:thumbsup:

MalumProhibitum
12-28-2006, 14:11
Originally posted by gwalchmai
As I was leaving the fingerprint guy said it's taking two weeks to a month for permits, which doesn't sound bad. I'll let y'all know how long it really takes.

Still waiting? :shocked:

birdbarian
01-22-2007, 22:29
Huh, didja, didja, didja?

:wavey:

gwalchmai
01-23-2007, 05:35
Still waiting. I called last week and the lady at probate court said the background checks, from four agencies, are taking a lot longer due to volume.

MalumProhibitum
01-23-2007, 08:35
Four agencies? What is she talking about?

First of all, the probate court is to ask the local law enforcement agency to do the checks. There is nothing in the law about the probate court doing any checks itself.

Those checks are GCIC (which is the GBI), see O.C.G.A. 16-11-129(d)(1). This same subsection says that the law enforcement agency (this is the department that took your fingerprints) should request a check of FBI records (NCIC). Of course, this is done by the law enforcement agency submitting them for the first check to GCIC, which automatically forwards them on to NCIC. So it is really doen all in one check.

The local law enforcement agency is also to check NICS. This is also an FBI system, and it is an instant background check (the exact same system that is used when you buy a firearm). See O.C.G.A. 16-11-129(d)(2). So this involves no new agency.

That is everything. No more checks are performed. That is it unless you are an alien, in which case there is one more check to be performed. I am assuming you are a United States citizen.

Now, the probate court could not have been talking about the (d)(2) check, because that is instant. It would have come back the same day you were fingerprinted (within minutes, really). The (d)(1) fingerprint check involves only GBI and FBI. That means two agencies, not four, but even then it is only one check that the local law enforcement agency performs and then gives a report to the judge.

Oh! But guess what? The statute says:

The law enforcement agency shall notify the judge of the probate court within 50 days, by telephone and in writing, of any findings relating to the applicant which may bear on his or her eligibility for a license or renewal license under the terms of this Code section. When no derogatory information is found on the applicant bearing on his or her eligibility to obtain a license or renewal license, a report shall not be required. The law enforcement agency shall return the application and the blank license form with the fingerprint thereon directly to the judge of the probate court within such time period.

See O.C.G.A. 16-11-129(d)(4).

The judge then has an additional ten days (i.e., not later then 60 days after the date of application) to issue the license. Id.

Pretty simple, really.

But, hey, this is just the law. Does the law bind our government? Or just you?

Has it been 60 days?

I have a suggestion for you. You can check to see when the fingerprints were forwarded to the GBI by getting your ORI number here (http://www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1510&highlight=ori). Then call GCIC and ask about the status of your fingerprint check. Ink fingerprints run about 7 days (not weeks, not months) and electronic Livescan fingerprints take only a few minutes (seriously). This will reveal if what the probate court tells you is the truth, or a lie.

Somebody is not being truthful with you.

Is it me, or is it the probate court?

Which one gave you the tools to find out the truth? ;) Which one just made statements without giving you any way of checking up on whether what they said is true?

Did the probate court even give you the date the fingerprints were sent off to the GBI?

:supergrin:

MalumProhibitum
01-23-2007, 08:42
"When no derogatory information is found on the applicant bearing on his or her eligibility to obtain a license or renewal license, a report shall not be required." O.C.G.A. 16-11-129.

So, are they waiting on a "required" report that the statute says is not required?

:alex:

I hear the music from the twilight zone whenever I listen to what the probate court has to say.

gwalchmai
01-23-2007, 17:21
Arrived this afternoon. Applied 11/16/06 - issued 1/12/07.

MalumProhibitum
01-27-2007, 12:56
Less than 60 days! :supergrin:

MalumProhibitum
01-27-2007, 12:59
Originally posted by MalumProhibitum
OK, thanks. Sorry for all the questions, but GCO has been trying to get this stuff removed (it is actually a violation of federal law to demand the SSN as a condition of application).

More Info Here (http://georgiacarry.org/cms/2006/11/08/update-appellant-files-brief-in-ssn-case-appeal-to-eleventh-circuit/)

GCO just filed its reply brief in the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

http://georgiacarry.org/cms/category/action-items/ssn-required-for-application/

gwalchmai
01-27-2007, 22:40
Originally posted by MalumProhibitum
Less than 60 days! :supergrin: By the skin of their teeth. Apparently, after the permit is issued, it has to be hand trimmed and laminated along with a copy of 16-11-127, which you initial on the application. From the looks of the cutting and laminating job they're subbing the work out to kindergartens - much sloppier than my previous permit. In any case that must add a little time to the process.

MalumProhibitum
04-30-2007, 18:20
Originally posted by MalumProhibitum
GCO just filed its reply brief in the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

http://georgiacarry.org/cms/category/action-items/ssn-required-for-application/

http://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/2007/03/25/eleventh-circuit-reverses-us-district-court-on-ssn-case-dismissal/

And the Eleventh Circuit rules in GCO's favor!

wsweeks2
05-10-2007, 18:36
I moved here from Maryland almost 2 1/2 years ago. I guess I took living in a CCW state for granted (and should be rightfully flamed). I applied for my CCW permit yesterday morning in Gwinnett County. The entire process took less than an hour, fingerprinting included. I've never had digital prints taken and it was pretty cool. The young lady who took my fingerprints said that the digital prints should speed up the process. I will update when I get my permit.

Jason F
05-10-2007, 20:56
Yeah, the digital prints were cool when I "renewed" last month.

The guy running the fingerprinting area was talking to myself and 2 other old timers, we were all in there together and got to jawing about this and that. He mentioned that the prints and such all come back the same day, usually within an hour.

"So what's the holdup and what takes 4-6 months then?" I asked.

"Who knows. It gets 'stuck' in probate court, but we give 'em everything they need by the next day."

Now that was good to hear in that they're being fast and efficient (and this is a government operation?! Wow!), but then it's also frustrating that it takes so long for the probate court to move on the information and process the applications.

Mine was submitted nearly 30 days ago, I'm not going to get my hopes up on seeing it before June 15th at the earlist. If I do I'll let y'all know.


(And what pissed me off even more was when I called 4 times over different days in January to inquire about "temporary renewal permits" and was told they weren't doing those- and then GCO goes and gets Gwinnett to fess up and start obeying the law 2 weeks after my original permit expired- DOH!)

wsweeks2
06-06-2007, 14:50
I posted an update on the forums at Georgia Packing, but didn't put it here. I got bounced around between GCPD and probate the other day. Finally got someone at GCPD who informed me that my info was sent back to probate 2 days after I was printed. Probate received my stuff on May 11th and it's been sitting there ever since. The lady at GCPD said they just needed to get a signature on it, laminate it, and put it in the mail.

MalumProhibitum
06-07-2007, 06:32
Originally posted by Jason F
(And what pissed me off even more was when I called 4 times over different days in January to inquire about "temporary renewal permits" and was told they weren't doing those- and then GCO goes and gets Gwinnett to fess up and start obeying the law 2 weeks after my original permit expired- DOH!)

:laughabove:

Jason F
06-25-2007, 10:22
Finally! Permit arrived today.... 67 days after application.

BUT, here's the tricky part. It's date as issued on 6/18 (one week ago, and incidentally, day60 from application)... But it obviously didn't get mailed out till Friday.

Oh well, at least it's here and it was close to the 60days. Obviously I wish it was faster, but what can you do.

And now I have a good timeframe to track my wife's application as well.

wsweeks2
06-30-2007, 14:09
Just got my GFL yesterday on the 29th. Issue date was on the 27th. I applied on May 9th, so that makes it 51 days. Not too bad!!!

yrone
07-01-2007, 09:57
Just a heads up. My permit expires in AUG and I got my renewal notice in June. Went up to Hall county to apply for my permit again since they no longer do renewals (as they scowl at me like I should know this already) and then tell me that they will get it to me in about 4 MONTHS! Thanks a lot! Now I potentially could be without a carry permit for a month or more because of backlogs and you cant apply for your renewal 6 months in adavance to compensate! They also told me flat out that they dont know anything about temporary licenses or where to inquire.

Jason F
07-01-2007, 11:26
Yrone-

You should check out georgiacarry.org and georgiapacking.org for information on Hall county and also for information on helping to educate the people that you're dealing with in letting them know that they are in violation of the law by not issuing a temporary permit to cover any lapse in your permit coverage.

yrone
07-03-2007, 11:26
Thanks for the information. I'll be reading up on that right now!