I want a supressor, but have ?'s

[Stan_TheGunNut]

Well, as the title of the thread states, I want a supressor. I'm still debating on whether it should be for my 45's or my 9mm's. I have quite a few of each. I'm thinking about the advanced armament evolution series, or the Tactical model. Their website gives these supressors a range of ~25-40 decibles (which really means nothing to me).

Anyway, I've never fired a gun with a supressor, and am assuming one of the models mentioned would muffle the noise to about the same level I get wearing earplugs, which are rated at ~30 NRR, give or take. Is this a good assumption?

Also, I've heard that supressors can adversely impact reliability. While this is no problem at the range, I really don't want to have to clear a malfunction after each shot either. That just becomes tedious. So, any thoughts on that?

I'd also appreciate any insight you might have, as to other manufacturers and models might be a good bargain, and as to which caliber I should purchase the supressor for.

Thanks for your help,

[aggiegunner]

This is opinion and worth what you paid for it.

I would go for the Evolution in 9mm, hands down. It will be quieter than a 45 can, and subsonic 9mm is cheaper than 45. It will be hearing safe totally dry, and spooky quiet wet.

Get the Evo, you will not be disappointed.

Oh, btw. The Evo 9 can have the piston replaced with a sleeve to allow it to funtion on rifles/carbines as well as blow-back or gas operated pistols. Of course two rules must be followed here:

1) Caliber of weapon must be equl to or smaller than 9mm

2) Pressure/gas volume must be equal to or lower than 9mm

Off the top of my head this allows 9mm, .380, 32 auto, 25 acp, 38 spl, 30 luger, 22mag, 22lr.

Hope this helps. :)

[Stan_TheGunNut]

Thanks for the reply AggieGunner. I appreciate your taking the time to respond. I had failed to mention in my initial post that I reload for the 45, but not for 9mm. Also, looking at the speed of sound in air, it's something around 1125 fps, and the muzzle velocity of 9mm ammo with less than a 147 grain bullet is closer to 1140 fps. Not that this is a big deal, it's just a little more difficult to find 147 grain practice ammo. It seems like most of the stuff at Wally World is 115 grains. But I guess I can always order bulk..it's cheaper that way anyway.

As to the caliber use, wouldn't'that transfer to 45 as well? If so, it seems that I could use a 45 can on 10mm, 9mm, 40S&W, etc. I guess the only difference would be that more gas would escape if the supressor were used on a smaller caliber, resulting in a little (or a lot?) more noise. Hearing loss is one of the main reasons I'm getting a supressor. Do you have any experience in how much louder it will be when using a lesser caliber? Still safe to shoot without plugs?

In either case, it sounds like the Evolution is the way to go. I'll likely get one of each eventually, just can't do it all at once, it just costs too much.

[OEF_VET]

subsonic 9mm is cheaper than 45

Considering that ALL .45 is subsonic, and 147gr 9mm isn't as easy to locate, and isn't often as cheap as 115gr 9mm, this argument doesn't hold much water.

[aggiegunner]

Originally posted by Stan_TheGunNut

As to the caliber use, wouldn't'that transfer to 45 as well? If so, it seems that I could use a 45 can on 10mm, 9mm, 40S&W, etc. I guess the only difference would be that more gas would escape if the supressor were used on a smaller caliber, resulting in a little (or a lot?) more noise. Hearing loss is one of the main reasons I'm getting a supressor. Do you have any experience in how much louder it will be when using a lesser caliber? Still safe to shoot without plugs?



In theory yes. The problem however is that your 45 can won't allow cycling of most 9mm pistols in my experience.

If you reload for 45 and want a 45 can, get one. Don't justify the 9mm option if a 45 is what you want. You can always get the other later. My two biggest points were that the 9mm is quieter and cheaper to shoot. If you can reload 45 for near the same price as ordering 9mm, then the price factor is no factor.

It will be safe to shoot without plugs, but will be much louder. I have yet to hear a can/pistol/caliber combo more pleasing to shoot or quieter than the Glock 17 with Evo-9. Again, YMMV and you should get what you want.

[aggiegunner]

Originally posted by OEF_VET
Considering that ALL .45 is subsonic, and 147gr 9mm isn't as easy to locate, and isn't often as cheap as 115gr 9mm, this argument doesn't hold much water.

Huh? The point was that 9mm subsonic is cheaper than 45, what does super-sonic have to do with it?

I never said that 45 was supersonic.

Yes 45 is easier to find, at twice the cost, and louder, and more expensive for can. Did I mention louder?

Again, the 45 can wet will be plenty quiet enough, just not what an Evo-9 is capable of. :)

[OEF_VET]

Sorry if you misunderstood what I meant.

At least in my neck of the woods, it's easier to find inexpensive .45 than it is to find subsonic 9mm. In fact, there aren't any shops in the area who keep any kind of quantities of subsonic 9mm on hand at any given time. It's usually something that has to be special ordered. (But, it's not really a problem for me now, anyways.) And, when I am able to find subsonic 9mm, it's generally at least as expensive as the cheaper .45 rounds. For instance, the few shops who do carry subsonic 9mm generally carry Remington, whereas they also carry PMC or CCI .45, hich work fine in my guns chambered in .45.

I simply meant that it doesn't necessarily pan out that subsonic 9mm is always cheaper to shoot than .45 ACP.

Personally, I'm in the "buy both" camp. You can never have too many suppressors.

[Stan_TheGunNut]

Thanks for the input. I think I'm going to start off with the 9mm can, and then next year after I get my bonus check, get the 45 can. Right now, my thinking is that they'll both be the Evolution series from Advanced Armament. I'm also going to get some 9mm dies and start reloading for that. I have a lot of brass laying around since I can't bring myself to throw it out (not to mention powder, primers, ect), so a couple of thousand 147 grain bullets should easy and cheap to buy.

Thanks again for your thoughts.

[aggiegunner]

Originally posted by OEF_VET
Sorry if you misunderstood what I meant.

At least in my neck of the woods, it's easier to find inexpensive .45 than it is to find subsonic 9mm. In fact, there aren't any shops in the area who keep any kind of quantities of subsonic 9mm on hand at any given time. It's usually something that has to be special ordered. (But, it's not really a problem for me now, anyways.) And, when I am able to find subsonic 9mm, it's generally at least as expensive as the cheaper .45 rounds. For instance, the few shops who do carry subsonic 9mm generally carry Remington, whereas they also carry PMC or CCI .45, hich work fine in my guns chambered in .45.

I simply meant that it doesn't necessarily pan out that subsonic 9mm is always cheaper to shoot than .45 ACP.

Personally, I'm in the "buy both" camp. You can never have too many suppressors.

I totally agree. I guess I am just too used to buying online in case quantity.

:supergrin:

[ColGlock]

I would say get a 9MM can. But would recommend a .22 can as your first and the 9MM as your second.

as for the price of 9MM Sub-sonics, If you are already reloading .45ACP then just get the equipment for 9MM. Once fired brass for 9MM is cheap, (about $20 per 1000.) You should only shoot Plated or Jacket ammo through a suppressor anyways, so cost per round should be cheaper than .45ACP. Sure 115grn is cheaper than 147grn bullets, but it is within a few cents per round. I figure it costs me about $60-70 per 1000 in components.

[Stan_TheGunNut]

You should only shoot Plated or Jacket ammo through a suppressor anyways, so cost per round should be cheaper than .45ACP.

Why is that? I was under the impression that the bullet would pass through the supressor with little or no contact. Is leading a problem?

Now that I've read the FAQ's on the Advanced Armament website...it appears that you can rotate the can to adjust point of impact. That seems to suggest that it's a tight fit. I guess that makes sense to a degree...I'm sure it's better for the supressor to capture as much of the propellant gas as possible, and to do this, it needs a rather tight seal.

I guess it's pretty obvious I don't know much about them....but that's why I'm here asking questions. Does anyone have any other tidbits of nice to know info about them?

Thanks,

[ColGlock]

Originally posted by Stan_TheGunNut
Why is that? I was under the impression that the bullet would pass through the supressor with little or no contact. Is leading a problem?

Now that I've read the FAQ's on the Advanced Armament website...it appears that you can rotate the can to adjust point of impact. That seems to suggest that it's a tight fit. I guess that makes sense to a degree...I'm sure it's better for the supressor to capture as much of the propellant gas as possible, and to do this, it needs a rather tight seal.

I guess it's pretty obvious I don't know much about them....but that's why I'm here asking questions. Does anyone have any other tidbits of nice to know info about them?

Thanks,

Ahh you obviously do not have a comp on your .45 ;) Yes leading is the issue with shooting cast bullets. and no it is not because the bullets come in contact with the can. Think about it. Lead melts at around 600 degrees... gunpowder burns at over 3000 degrees... every time you shoot lead bullets a tiny amount of the lead is vaporized, that vaporized lead then come in contact with the colder baffles and solidifies. Since most center-fire pistol cans are sealed, you cannot clean the lead off.

[Stan_TheGunNut]

What a wealth of information here. Thanks ColGlock. I guess I hadn't really thought it through. What you say about the melting point of lead makes sense. And you're right, none of my pistols are compensated. I'll be sure to shoot jacketed or plated bullets. I had thought about getting a threaded barrel that had traditional lands and grooves so I could shoot lead...but knowing this, it really doesn't matter what kind of rifling the barrel has.

And again, thanks to all for your replies and help.

[Stan_TheGunNut]

Well, this evening I went and started the process to get a supressor. I'm getting the AAC Evolution 9. The dealer has it in stock, and all I need to do is get my paperwork in order, and wait.

[RWBlue]

Curiosity:

What gun will this suppressor go on?

Remeber you "should" be able to use it on multiple guns.

[Stan_TheGunNut]

For starters, it's going to go on my G17. I own a few other 9mm's, but don't have threaded barrels for them yet. I should be able to move it from gun to gun should I so desire. I just need to get barrels for them.

These things can cost a bit of money. When you add up the cost of the supressor, taxes, a new barrel, tax stamp, plus all the ammo I intend to shoot...well, I find that I'm already wanting another one or three, and I don't even have the first one yet.

I had planned on getting the Evolution 45 too. Now I also want one for a 22 rimfire, and perhaps for a 223 AR . They can be addictive.

[ColGlock]

Originally posted by Stan_TheGunNut
For starters, it's going to go on my G17. I own a few other 9mm's, but don't have threaded barrels for them yet. I should be able to move it from gun to gun should I so desire. I just need to get barrels for them.

These things can cost a bit of money. When you add up the cost of the supressor, taxes, a new barrel, tax stamp, plus all the ammo I intend to shoot...well, I find that I'm already wanting another one or three, and I don't even have the first one yet.

I had planned on getting the Evolution 45 too. Now I also want one for a 22 rimfire, and perhaps for a 223 AR . They can be addictive.

if you are looking at the EVO 45, I would wait for the new .45 AAC is coming out with, it is suppose to be quieter dry than the EVO 45 is wet.

[RWBlue]

Originally posted by Stan_TheGunNut
They can be addictive. yep

[Stan_TheGunNut]

if you are looking at the EVO 45, I would wait for the new .45 AAC is coming out with, it is suppose to be quieter dry than the EVO 45 is wet.

Any idea when it will be available. I didn't see anything about it on their website.

[ColGlock]

Originally posted by Stan_TheGunNut
Any idea when it will be available. I didn't see anything about it on their website.
They are announcing at the Shot show.

[JWP]

you should be able to use the 9mm can on the 22 lr also if a mounting system is available - aac could manufacture if you ask them

lead from the open based 9mm bullets will collect in the can to but at a slower rate than with all lead bullets as less surface is heated/available to leave vapor for deposite [barrel friction heats up the surface too]

unsealed cans are best but things like outers foulout can be used to clean cans too

hth

[Stan_TheGunNut]

Just to keep you updated....I shot 100 rounds thru my G17 using the new Jarvis threaded barrel that I bought. I noticed some wear on the finish of the barrel where it's exposed near the ejection hole in the slide, and the usual barrel wear marks, and that's it. It functioned flawlessly. No failures of any kind.

The only problem I did have was the thread protector kept coming loose. Here is were I made a dumb mistake, and for about half a second I put my hand in front of the barrel to tighten it. Fortunately, my finger was off the trigger, and I came to my senses without getting hurt. I was much more careful after that, and feel that this is a lesson that I'll remember. It's kinda like forgetting to put the kickstand down on my motorcycle and getting off of it....it's a mistake I only made once. They say lifes lessons are the hardest, but that's why you remember them. Anyway, I feel that I learned a lesson without getting hurt and wanted to pass on to you all the you need to be careful.

So, what do you do to keep the silencer or thread protector from shooting loose? I've heard different suggestions, from just tighten it periodically, to lock tite. Right now, I'm leaning towards a dab of lock tite for the silencer, and to just remove the thread protector when I'm shooting.