Full Auto Glock switch, just saw it...

[sneakyracer]

Full Auto Glock switch, just saw it on the news. The Police confiscated several Glocks in a raid and one had a switch in the back, a piece that replaced the plastic back cover on the rear of the slide. It looked well made and had a sliding switch, when red it made the glock full auto when not, the gun behaved normally. A police officer showed the news crew and man full auto was insane. Anybody ever heard of this part? I know its illegal but im wondering where the hell the bad guys got it?! seems to be made by a manufacturer doesnt look ghetto at all.

The gun in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0sOVKbYR20

has something similar, might be identical...

like this: http://www.fss-g.com/index2.htm <---looks like the one I saw on the news..

this one: http://www.geocities.com/shokansunrise/ is different though

Seems the criminals get whatever they want / need. So much for gun control. Since where I live NO full auto weapons are alowed. If you are found in possesion of one its like an "automatic" 15-30 years in jail. This is an island nonetheless. Even though guns must be registered and there are mandatory licensing procedures to even buy ammo look what the criminals get.

[engineer151515]

The one's I've seen advertised in the past were made in West Germany and were not that expensive - if you don't include the price of Federal prison time.

[eddief4]

if you have a permit for full auto guns, can you modify guns for fullauto LEGALY?:)

[sneakyracer]

I think you cant unless you are a class III FFL dealer.

Its silly I see absolutely no harm upstanding citizens owning this. I mean, I would support requiring to register the devices and the purchaser oviously and some background check and permit to keep tabs on them. But man, prohibiting its just too extreme. Bad guys that want full auto have it anyway. Dont think the prohibition of full auto gun is getting more criminals off the street at all. Those laws are obviously purely political in nature meaning they are good for getting votes but not really criminals. Well, the laws due make full auto gun runing a more lucrative business no doubt.

[Conju]

Don't kid yourself, these bans are just in place to make sure that our military can knock us around when they want. Just like the Constitution says that they must not.

It's disgusting. Our forefathers wrote the second amendment to make sure that WE have control of our government, not the other way around.

The most ridiculous thing is the gun owners. Most of them are always ready to piss and moan when their rights are violated but never want to do anything to stop it.

This is a country in which you gotta fight to keep your RIGHTS anymore. I say you'd better start fighting or shut the hell up.

[sneakyracer]

Originally posted by Conju
Don't kid yourself, these bans are just in place to make sure that our military can knock us around when they want. Just like the Constitution says that they must not.

Yes to a degree obviously, but also, more votes are won than lost generally whenever they impose gun control legislation in certain parts of the country.

Originally posted by Conju

It's disgusting. Our forefathers wrote the second amendment to make sure that WE have control of our government, not the other way around.

The goverment won that battle along time ago, they are there to control us, the population. Most people fear the Goverment, you certainly dont want them to sight in on you since if they want they will put you in prison for something. The laws are so numerous and confusing that anyone can be found guilty of something.

We have a Police State, thats a fact IMHO.

[engineer151515]

Originally posted by eddief4
if you have a permit for full auto guns, can you modify guns for fullauto LEGALY?:)

My understanding is that you cannot manufacture (read "convert") a new machine gun since 1986. *

Others here can quote chapter and verse on the law.

Stuff grandfathered before 1986 is now very, very expensive (at least, on my pay :) )


* edit - for civilian use. :)

[engineer151515]

Originally posted by Conju
..........
This is a country in which you gotta fight to keep your RIGHTS anymore. I say you'd better start fighting or shut the hell up.

If you'd just get gun owners to vote, you'd accomplish much more.

[Glockdude1]

Originally posted by eddief4
if you have a permit for full auto guns, can you modify guns for fullauto LEGALY?:)

Only if you are registered as a "Class 2" manufacturer. Then any weapon you convert, you have to register with the ATF, and all weapons you convert & register, can only be sold to L/E.

:thumbsup:

[Erucolindon]

Originally posted by Glockdude1
Only if you are registered as a "Class 2" manufacturer. Then any weapon you convert, you have to register with the ATF, and all weapons you convert & register, can only be sold to L/E.

:thumbsup:

Ok, so they can only transfer to L/E, but is there anything wrong with the manufacturer owning and using them? Say I want to make a submachine gun, get my Class 2, make the gun and register it. Its mine. If I choose to sell them, I can only sell to L/E. Thats how that sounds to me.

Anyone here think they understand how that gadget works? I'm fascinated by machine/gun mechanisms. I suspect it just has something that moves into the space where the connector sits in the slide when the slide is in normal position. As far as I can guess, if the connector is always pushed inward/medially, then the trigger doesn't need to be pulled for the next shot to go off. Having something that toggles back and forth between midline behind the firing pin and over at the right edge of the slide to fill in that gap, would do the trick. What say yee? I can say, for the first time, that I actually think I understand the trigger mechanism now. If I understand how it fires semi, it shouldn't be hard to understand how it fires full auto.

Chris

[Glockdude1]

Originally posted by Erucolindon
Ok, so they can only transfer to L/E, but is there anything wrong with the manufacturer owning and using them? Say I want to make a submachine gun, get my Class 2, make the gun and register it. Its mine. If I choose to sell them, I can only sell to L/E. Thats how that sounds to me.

Yes, you can make "toys", BUT ............Once you retire, you cannot keep the toys. You cannot just "be a class 2" and make toys for your self, hell if that was they case all of us would be class 2's!!! You have to have a business (not in your home) and actualy make some kind of profit.

My next step is a C&R license.

:thumbsup:

[Erucolindon]

Glockdude - Thanks! I just found that same info on a site about owning/making uzi's. Damn shame its gotta be that expensive and that much a pain in the rear.

Also for the curious, I just found a site linking to the patent design for that switch. I was pretty close.

http://www.jassing.com/josh/full_auto_glock.htm

Chris

[Dutchboy]

Tried them in Germany where these parts are legal to buy and own without a permit, not legal to install.:crazy:
It's fun, prefer the MP5 in FA.
Am not allowed to own the parts so I don't.
BTW both are U.S. made.
Both sell very well on the internet. Switch is about $150, backplate FA only is about $70.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/wilhel1/594112_433cf0c10783c.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/wilhel1/594550.jpg

[Glockdude1]

Erucolindon,

www.uzitalk.com is a great web site for Uzi info.

:thumbsup:

[Erucolindon]

Originally posted by Glockdude1
Erucolindon,

www.uzitalk.com is a great web site for Uzi info.

:thumbsup:

LOL, yeah, I wasn't looking up uzi stuff, per se, not that I would turn one down if given to me. It just came up in google with discussion of full auto laws and class II & III licenses.

[OEF_VET]

Being a Class 2 SOT definitely has its advantages. Not the least of which is the ability to legally manufacture new machineguns. It's also fun to be able to build suppressors, SBS's, SBR's, and AOW's without having to ask permission. Instead, I just tell BATFE that I've done it. Post Facto. heeheehee

I'm actually selling my Glock sear, but not before we measured it and made a blueprint of the design, so that we can recreate several at a a later time. heeheehee

[Erucolindon]

This does look like an easy part to make in some form or another as long as you have a relatively well equipped metal shop. I bet you could make one that clamps onto the rear right side of the slide and fits through the cut-out for the connector.

[Dutchboy]

I heard a bent paperclip can give the proper results.

[Erucolindon]

Originally posted by Dutchboy
I heard a bent paperclip can give the proper results.

That sounds like it will get someone hurt. I was thinking more along the lines of something precision milled and clamped on both vertically and horizontally. I wouldn't want it coming off or loosening at all, lest it fork up my lovely glock. It should be easy to put on and take off with the slide locked back too.

Paperclip! :rofl:

[Conju]

If you can weld and grind two pieces of metal, you can build a backplate that will operate the gun in full auto reliably, don't do it. Gangsters have been using the paperclip method but I don't want to know how to do it.

[Erucolindon]

Originally posted by Conju
If you can weld and grind two pieces of metal, you can build a backplate that will operate the gun in full auto reliably, don't do it. Gangsters have been using the paperclip method but I don't want to know how to do it.

Gangsters can keep on using paperclips. I hope it breaks their gun and makes their shooting even worse than it already is.

I'm just excited to actually "get" how it works. I also have a tendency to design random inventions. No, I wouldn't even consider doing it. Its just neat to know how.

[Conju]

I just posted that to cover my own ass, I would never do that unless I was operating with the law. The info to figure out how it works is out there, just search for fss-g and the like. You'll find it, its actually pretty neat in its simplicity.

[G19c,PH]

:popcorn:

[cgk]

Originally posted by Dutchboy
Tried them in Germany where these parts are legal to buy and own without a permit, not legal to install. It's fun, prefer the MP5 in FA. Am not allowed to own the parts so I don't. BTW both are U.S. made. Both sell very well on the internet. Switch is about $150, backplate FA only is about $70.

Details, please. Who sells them in Germany?

[Dutchboy]

Originally posted by cgk
Details, please. Who sells them in Germany?

I'm not posting this info on a public forum like GT because I don't want and can't afford to encourage anyone to break the law.
I'm quite sure GT owner Eric C. wouldn't appreciate it either.

Drop me a PM if you like and we will discuss this matter in "private".

[Blitzer]

Originally posted by eddief4
if you have a permit for full auto guns, can you modify guns for fullauto LEGALY?:)

Only a class III FFL can have the part and only to show it as a demo to a valid client with a expressed desire to view and evaluate the mod.

[OEF_VET]

Originally posted by Blitzer
Only a class III FFL can have the part and only to show it as a demo to a valid client with a expressed desire to view and evaluate the mod.

Actually, either a Type 01 FFL who is a Class 3 SOT, or a Type 07 FFL who is a Class 2 SOT may legally own a Glock Auto Sear.

[Erucolindon]

Originally posted by OEF_VET
Actually, either a Type 01 FFL who is a Class 3 SOT, or a Type 07 FFL who is a Class 2 SOT may legally own a Glock Auto Sear.

Whats the difference between these two types and other types?

[OEF_VET]

The different types of FFL's: (per atf.gov)

Type 01 - DEALER IN FIREARMS
Type 02 - PAWNBROKER
Type 03 - COLLECTOR OF CURIOS AND RELICS


Type 06 - MANUFACTURER OF AMMUNITION FOR FIREARMS
Type 07 - MANUFACTURER OF FIREARMS
Type 08 - IMPORTER OF FIREARMS / AMMUNITION

Type 09 - DEALER IN DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES
Type 10 - MANUFACTURER OF DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES
Type 11 - IMPORTER OF DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES

An SOT is a Special Occupancy Tax paid by an FFL to engage in the business of importing (Class 1), manufacturing (Class 2), or selling (Class 3) of Title II (NFA) weapons.

[CAR-AR-M16]

Originally posted by OEF_VET
Actually, either a Type 01 FFL who is a Class 3 SOT, or a Type 07 FFL who is a Class 2 SOT may legally own a Glock Auto Sear.

OEF_VET, correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that the 07/02 could manufacture his own Glock conversion device, but he could not buy an unregistered one and register it as his own. Also, wouldn't both the 01/03 and the 07/02 need a demo letter to purchase a registered Glock conversion device since they are all post-86 samples?

[pnhurst]

Originally posted by CAR-AR-M16
OEF_VET, correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that the 07/02 could manufacture his own Glock conversion device, but he could not buy an unregistered one and register it as his own. Also, wouldn't both the 01/03 and the 07/02 need a demo letter to purchase a registered Glock conversion device since they are all post-86 samples?

Correct.

[OEF_VET]

Originally posted by CAR-AR-M16
OEF_VET, correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that the 07/02 could manufacture his own Glock conversion device, but he could not buy an unregistered one and register it as his own. Also, wouldn't both the 01/03 and the 07/02 need a demo letter to purchase a registered Glock conversion device since they are all post-86 samples?

You are correct. I'm actually planning to build a few sometime next year, just for playtoys. I'm selling the one I have now, which was built by someone else. Before the Form 3 is approved, we're going to make blueprints of it, in order to make more.

(The VP-R&D and I have to have at least a pair each, right?)