G34 for IPSC standard?

[FARRIER]

I have a G34 and was looking for some sugestions mods for IPSC standard class.mag well,trigger work ......
thanks for your reply! :wavey:

[Houngan]

A Glock needs:

1. Some trigger work. The .25$ job is sufficient
2. Better sights.

A Glock can use:

3. A magwell

Beyond that, there's not much that can hold you back.

H.

[Mark L Miller]

Are you sure you can use the g34 in ipsc standard class? I only shoot uspsa but I have wandered into the ipsc rules once or twice. Seems the guns have a minimum trigger pull weight(5.5lbs??? I was thinking) & maybe some other things that are unusual to us uspsa shooters. You can shoot it in uspsa production with a light trigger & you can do anything you want to the insides of the gun as long as it doesn't weigh more than 2oz over factory list weight, just no external mods. I may have to go to the website & see what the rule differences are. HMMMM. MLM

[pstew]

Do you mean Production? The Glock 34 won't make major, so Production is the best fit for that gun. If so, the the mag well is out, Trigger work is OK.

[FARRIER]

The G34 is not allowed in IPSC production class but is allowed in standard.:)

[Alaskapopo]

Originally posted by FARRIER
The G34 is not allowed in IPSC production class but is allowed in standard.:)

There is no standard class that I am aware of in IPSC. There is a Stock Service Pistol in IDPA where the Glock 34 rules.

Perhaps your talking about limited. Where the Glock 34 is a poor choice due to the fact it can't be scored as major in limited unless your shooting 40sw or larger.
Pat

[ryucasta]

Alaska,,

Checkout www.IPSC.org and click on Divisions :upeyes: The IPSC Standard Divison is similar to the USPSA Limited Division.


Standard Division
1 Minimum power factor for Major 170
2 Minimum power factor for Minor 125
3 Minimum bullet weight No
4 Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length 9mm (0.354”) / 19mm (0.748")
5 Minimum bullet caliber for Major 10mm (0.40”)
6 Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix F2) No
7 Maximum handgun size Yes, see below
8 Maximum magazine length Yes, see below
9 Maximum ammunition capacity No
10 Max. distance of handgun and mags/speed loaders from torso 50mm
11 Rule 5.2.3.1 applies Yes
12 Restriction on position of holster and other equipment Yes, see below
13 Optical/electronic sights permitted No
14 Compensators permitted No
15 Ports permitted No, see below


A handgun in its ready condition (See Section 8.1), but unloaded and with an empty magazine inserted or empty cylinder closed, must fit wholly within the confines of a box which has internal dimensions of 225mm x 150mm x 45mm (tolerance of +1 mm, -0 mm). Note that all magazines must comply, failing which Rule 6.2.5.1 will apply. When a handgun is inserted into the box, rear adjustable sights may be slightly depressed, but all other features of the handgun, (e.g. collapsible and/or folding sights, slide rackers, thumb rests, external hammers, grips etc), must be fully extended or deployed. Additionally, telescoping magazines and/or magazines with spring-loaded bases or base pads are expressly prohibited.

Neither the handgun, nor any of its attachments, nor any allied equipment (e.g. magazines or other loading devices), can extend forward of the line illustrated in Appendix F3. Any such items a Range Officer deems not to be in compliance must be safely and promptly adjusted, failing which Rule 6.2.5.1 will apply.

Only porting of barrels is prohibited. Slides may be ported.

[ryucasta]

FArrier,

There is a plethora of modifications that you can do to your g34 but you will be competing in minor not major due to you choice of caliber.

Sights
Hienie
Sevigny
Dawson Precision with Fiber Optic Front Target Back(*)

Trigger
.25 (US Cents)
www.Triggerkit.com (Drop In)
www.Vanekcustom.com (Drop In of Custom Fitted) (*)

Magazine Release
Original Glock Part
JP Enterprise (*)

Magazine Well
The Brass
NHO Big Mouth (Stainless or Aluminum) (*)
SJC
JP Enterprise (*)

Guide Rod
CGR Stainless/Tungstem Extended Length for G34/35 Uncaptured (*)

Recoil Spring
ISMI 13 Pound (*)


Prefered Part (*)

[Alaskapopo]

Originally posted by ryucasta
Alaska,,

Checkout www.IPSC.org and click on Divisions :upeyes: The IPSC Standard Divison is similar to the USPSA Limited Division.


Standard Division
1 Minimum power factor for Major 170
2 Minimum power factor for Minor 125
3 Minimum bullet weight No
4 Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length 9mm (0.354”) / 19mm (0.748")
5 Minimum bullet caliber for Major 10mm (0.40”)
6 Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix F2) No
7 Maximum handgun size Yes, see below
8 Maximum magazine length Yes, see below
9 Maximum ammunition capacity No
10 Max. distance of handgun and mags/speed loaders from torso 50mm
11 Rule 5.2.3.1 applies Yes
12 Restriction on position of holster and other equipment Yes, see below
13 Optical/electronic sights permitted No
14 Compensators permitted No
15 Ports permitted No, see below


A handgun in its ready condition (See Section 8.1), but unloaded and with an empty magazine inserted or empty cylinder closed, must fit wholly within the confines of a box which has internal dimensions of 225mm x 150mm x 45mm (tolerance of +1 mm, -0 mm). Note that all magazines must comply, failing which Rule 6.2.5.1 will apply. When a handgun is inserted into the box, rear adjustable sights may be slightly depressed, but all other features of the handgun, (e.g. collapsible and/or folding sights, slide rackers, thumb rests, external hammers, grips etc), must be fully extended or deployed. Additionally, telescoping magazines and/or magazines with spring-loaded bases or base pads are expressly prohibited.

Neither the handgun, nor any of its attachments, nor any allied equipment (e.g. magazines or other loading devices), can extend forward of the line illustrated in Appendix F3. Any such items a Range Officer deems not to be in compliance must be safely and promptly adjusted, failing which Rule 6.2.5.1 will apply.

Only porting of barrels is prohibited. Slides may be ported.

Not sure why the eyes rolled smiley was put out. Perhaps your trying to pick a fight or you look down on me for not knowing about the standard division and feel your supperior. Either way I will let that drop.

Back on topic this division is just like limited and the Glock 34 would be shooting minor putting the shooter at a disadvantage.
Pat

[ryucasta]

Alaska,

I actually meant to pick another smiley since it was a little early here in LA when I responded to the post but based on how you responded I guess I will leave it there.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally posted by ryucasta
Alaska,

I actually meant to pick another smiley since it was a little early here in LA when I responded to the post but based on how you responded I guess I will leave it there.

Forgive me but I think most people would react negatively to a condensending smiley like that. Treat others as you would like to be treated.
Pat

[FARRIER]

Thanks for your guy's replies ,I'm new to IPSC so the rules can be confusing and your right about the caliber but I thought just to get my feet wet I would just make due with what I got. when I can afford it I'll be getting a G35 or G22 any opinions? :)

[Alaskapopo]

The Glock 35 has a slightly longer sight radius and is a bit easier to shoot. I would give it my vote.
Pat

[FARRIER]

Thanks for your expertise!:wavey:

[ryucasta]

I would suggest the G22 since you can use it for Standard and Production


IPSC Rule Book States:


"Production Division
GLOCK 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 36, 37, 38, 39

Also approved are variants with original Glock barrels which are longer than standard (e.g. 17A, 17DK, 17PRO), as well as variants with "Tactical", "Mariner" or similar OFM engravings on the slide, provided the barrel length does not exceed 127mm, and provided all other aspects of these variants fully comply with all other Production Division rules.

Not Approved:
18, 24, 25, 28, 34, 35, L and C models"

The one caveat for the Production Division is that in IPSC unlike USPSA you can use the factory Plus 10 magazines. So in that Division you might be better served by the G17 since it holds 2 more rounds than the G22 (17 vs. 15).

[Turak]

The problem here is that the IPSC and the USPSA rules do not match up exactly!

For PRODUCTION Division;

IPSC - NO G34 allowed

Quotes from their website;

11. Can we use a Glock models 34 and 35 as a Production Division pistol?

Glock in their own advertising call them "long slides". They are special sporting handguns having a lighter trigger pull (3.5 lbs) and a longer barrel (135mm) out of the box. Maximum barrel length in Production Division is 127 mm (5").

The Production Division does not include special sporting models like the Glock 34 and 35, or the H&K USP Expert, or the Sig Sauer Sport II series if they differ in barrel length from the standard model (Glock 17, Sig Sauer 226, H&K USP).

"Production" does not necessarily mean that all pistols which are currently in production are legal for use in this division.

and

GLOCK 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 36, 37, 38, 39

Also approved are variants with original Glock barrels which are longer than standard (e.g. 17A, 17DK, 17PRO), as well as variants with "Tactical", "Mariner" or similar OFM engravings on the slide, provided the barrel length does not exceed 127mm, and provided all other aspects of these variants fully comply with all other Production Division rules.

Not Approved:
18, 24, 25, 28, 34, 35, L and C models


UPSPA - G34 Allowed

Quotes from their website;

GLOCK 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 (L models are not approved) C models are allowed providing that the barrel is non-ported and the other requirements are met.


So....bottom line is....

USPSA rules, yes you can use a G34 or G35 for Production Division.

IPSC rules, No you can not a G34 or G35 for Production Division.

[pstew]

Another reason to live in the USA!!!

[ryucasta]

Pstew,

I actually find the IPSC rules for the Production division to be a little bit more equitable than the USPSA equivalent. This is due to the fact that IPSC allows a competitor to use the factory high capacity magazine at it’s the designed capacity (i.e., G17 17 rounds G22 15 rounds) while USPSA rules require that you load no more than 10 rounds irregardless of the capacity of the magazine.

[pstew]

ryucasta:

I suppose you are right, but then our friends that live in the states which don't allow mags above 10 rounds would be at a great disadvantage. I guess I'll have to revise my statement to something like: Another reason to live in the USA* (* offer not available in New Jersey, your mileage may vary)
:)

[sslav]

Originally posted by ryucasta
Pstew,

I actually find the IPSC rules for the Production division to be a little bit more equitable than the USPSA equivalent. This is due to the fact that IPSC allows a competitor to use the factory high capacity magazine at it’s the designed capacity (i.e., G17 17 rounds G22 15 rounds) while USPSA rules require that you load no more than 10 rounds irregardless of the capacity of the magazine.

State capacity limitations aside, the 10 round limit/minor scoring allows for a more inclusive playing field in the USPSA production division. Without 10 round limit - 9mm would rule because of larger capacity. Besides, lower capacity makes for a more interesing mental game.

[Ian]

At our club if you shoot Production, when you are moving, you are reloading.
Not much thought process there!

[jobob]

The G34 is not allowed in IPSC Production, but IS legal in USPSA Production. The 34 is what I shoot in Production Division, but if I left the shores of the US to compete in IPSC Production, I'd take a G17. If you're just shooting in the US, the G34 is the best for a Production gun, although some argue convincingly for the G35, if you reload, because you can load a very mild shooting 40 that makes Minor power factor. But it can have no external modifications, like a mag well, or extended mag release.