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tommyj92028
12-13-2006, 21:21
Just curious, does anyone else run 1 in the chamber and a full 13 round mag when carrying concealed? Thanks, Tommy

Deadbolt
12-14-2006, 02:03
That is the only way I carry. An unloaded gun is just a paper weight.:reindeer:

J. Parker
12-14-2006, 11:29
I normally load up twelve rounds. Sometimes the chamber is empty. The only time there is a round in the chamber is when it's in a dedicated holster or in my drawer at night. Chamber is empty in my fanny pack. When I "Mexican carry" chamber is empty. Your carry methods may vary. ;)

Mike of Oregon
12-14-2006, 20:05
I fill a mag, stuff it in and rack the slide. Ready to go. I want to have the room in the mag to unload, clear and put that round back in the mag. That's just me. I think 13 rounds is plenty and it's not an unlucky number as long as I have my lucky (fill in the blank).
Mike

ColoradoGlocker
12-15-2006, 00:40
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glockmeister71
12-15-2006, 19:15
I always have 13+1.Carry,HD,whatever.

Antfarmer
12-15-2006, 19:48
Me too. Gaston saw fit to give us a 14 round capacity, and I see no reason to short change myself.

Arc Angel
12-16-2006, 16:35
Since you asked: I don't trust that 14th round! 25 rounds ain't going to do you any good if the pistol jams after the first shot. On rare occasions I've had a stovepipe on the 2nd round when I was running 14 in the gun. :shocked:

13 rounds in the pistol is (almost) the equivalent of a guy carrying a fully loaded Kimber 1911 with an extra 7 or 8 rounds ON HIS BELT. (And lots of 1911 users don't like 8 round magazines, anyway - preferring the less troublesome 7 rounder, instead!) ;)

Mike of Oregon
12-17-2006, 01:06
Like he said, if 13 isn't enough, 14 probably won't be either. I don't drive with my gas tank full all the time. I just like to have my magazine full, 13 rounds, so when I clear and secure I have a full magazine not a full magazine + 1 in my pocket. If you feel better with 14 then more power to ya.
Mike

steel
12-18-2006, 20:53
I always pack mine full, 13+1. I've never had a reliability problem at all with my 21.

JonInWA
01-05-2007, 19:28
I always download my Glock magazines by at least one round, for two reasons: 1)It makes a tactical reload much easier (i.e., a reload where the slide is already in battery{normally with a round in the chamber}), and 2)it significantly reduces the stress on the magazine spring, and increases the lifespan of both the spring, the magazine follower, and the magazine tube (as less pressure is exerted on both the follower and the magazine release slot, reducing marring/wear that can eventually over time result in reduced functioning ). This is one of the things that Chuck Taylor (and others) have discussed extensively in the course of long-term testing/ownership.

Best, Jon

17L1
01-27-2007, 13:16
11 + 1

If I can't get it done with 12, I'll reload :supergrin:

speedracer815
01-31-2007, 09:05
Originally posted by JonInWA
I always download my Glock magazines by at least one round, for two reasons: 1)It makes a tactical reload much easier (i.e., a reload where the slide is already in battery{normally with a round in the chamber

Would you please elaborate on this? I've never had a problem putting a full 13 round mag in with the slide closed.

JonInWA
01-31-2007, 15:28
Speedracer, if you have no problems/struggles/undue strength required when racking your slide from a slide-foward position to chamber a round from a fully-loaded magazine, and/or if you encounter no problems/disproportionate magazine slamming effort to seat a fully-loaded magazine into a slide-foward G21 (or any other Glock), this may be a complete non-issue for you.

I've found that at least two advantages accrue from downloading Glock magazines by at least 1 round:

1)It's generally/usually/most of the time is much easier to seat the magazine when inserting it into a Glock who's slide is foward, and is also easier to rack the slide to chamber the initial round from the magazine, as there's less pressure being exerted on the slide feeder rail when it's being pulled back;

2)The long-term viability of the magazine spring, magazine tube,and magazine latch is increased, due to the lesser amount of force (and concurrent wear) being placed on them. A senior gunsmith from another major manufacturer that I've known for over 14 years discovered this when reading some analysis results on this from H.P. White labs; they had found that the reduction of force was favorably disproportionate when magazines are downloaded (i.e., the force reduction was significantly more than the 1/13th lessening that you would logically think would be occurring with each round downloaded). While these results probably weren't specifically regarding Glock magazines, they should logically extrapolate and apply. Chuck Taylor found this to be the case with his G17 magazines during his 100,000 plus (an ongoing!) round extended G17 test; he now downloads his G17 magazines by 2 rounds, to 15 rounds.

Another potential benefit is that if you ever need to eject both a fully loaded magazine and your chambered round, you'll have a place to store the chamber round.

In my case, when I carry my G21, I do so with 12+1 rounds of either Remington Golden Saber 230gr hollowpoints(thanks for the recommendation, Arc!) or Federal 230gr Hydrashoks in the gun, with another 12 rounds carried in a spare magazine. With 25 rounds of .45 ACP on tap, I hardly feel tactically disadvantaged by the 2 round decriment; additionally, I've reduced a potential tactical stumbling point.

Best, Jon

02Mineralgraygt
02-03-2007, 20:40
Originally posted by Arc Angel
Since you asked: I don't trust that 14th round! 25 rounds ain't going to do you any good if the pistol jams after the first shot. On rare occasions I've had a stovepipe on the 2nd round when I was running 14 in the gun. :shocked:

13 rounds in the pistol is (almost) the equivalent of a guy carrying a fully loaded Kimber 1911 with an extra 7 or 8 rounds ON HIS BELT. (And lots of 1911 users don't like 8 round magazines, anyway - preferring the less troublesome 7 rounder, instead!) ;)

i have that same problem, and if you cant do damage on 2-3 perps with 13rounds of .45 then you need to shoot more instead of worry about 1 round.

Bradd D
02-23-2007, 22:53
I carry 13 + 1 since the only time the weapon is unloaded is when I'm shooting it. The only Glock that gave me problems with tac reloads was the G37. I downloaded it to 9 rounds, but have found no reason to do so with my G21 or G17.

tanto trader
02-24-2007, 17:45
If the mag is in the gun it is fully loaded and gun chambered Chris.

Jack23
02-24-2007, 23:21
13+1....Plus 2 more 13 rnd mags on my belt/in the console/in the night table. The first 40 BGs have a serious problem. if there's 41 of 'em then I'm done....:supergrin:

Gunfixr
02-25-2007, 00:04
Nope. Fill the mag, insert it and rack the slide. If I need to unload it, I have a place for the chambered round. Normally I have an extra mag anyway. If 13 wouldn't do it, 14 probably won't either. You'll need a reload.

45-Fu
03-05-2007, 14:26
1+1 sounds good to me. I mean, if you can't get it done with two rounds twelve or thirteen more won't do you any good. The mags are easy to load and make tactical reloads a piece of cake.














Now... If I could just find a way to hide the twenty-five spares I keep on my belt...:sad:

OD GASTON
03-05-2007, 16:10
Always 13+1!!
Max it out!!!

SouthpawShootr
03-05-2007, 21:38
Originally posted by tommyj92028
Just curious, does anyone else run 1 in the chamber and a full 13 round mag when carrying concealed? Thanks, Tommy

Wouldn't do it any other way.

panzer1
03-05-2007, 21:45
You bet.

GMAN40
03-11-2007, 09:05
Shot placement is key along with keeping your wits in a firefight!

Shotgunner
03-24-2007, 13:09
If it were'nt for that 13+1, I'd probably carry a USP .45.

Flame on baby!

SMOKEin
03-26-2007, 17:26
dont you guys mean 10 +1 !?!?!? oh wait... im the loser in NY...

m1shooter
03-28-2007, 02:24
13+1 always, I shoot all the time and am very comfortable with my shooting abilities, but if you have the capacity in the mag, its better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.:thumbsup:

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