trigger activators

[dbotos]

Searched this forum, but didn't find anything.

Just wondering how these little things are classified with respect to semi-auto/full-auto:

http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0005765223017a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=activator&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=activator&noImage=0

When you attach it to the gun, does it become part of the gun or is it still an accessory?

What about an electronic version that spins the crank with a small motor activated by a momentary switch? Would that be different than the manual crank since the pressing and holding of a momentary switch could be synomymous with just pressing and holding the trigger directly (i.e. full auto)?

Just curious and figured you guys would know all the legal/classification mumbo-jumbo.

[GlockBY]

Electric motor would make it a machine gun.

[DonL]

Also looks like a "bumping device" such as the Akins Accelerator that creates a single function of your finger condition is now also a machinegun conversion device.

[jfettig]

Theres going to be some court hearings I think on the akins, theres too many people out there with them and to just have them taken away would suck, everyone would be out a grand.

This thing is not a bump firing device like the akins, its just a crank with a cam or two on it to press the trigger as it is turned, it should be ok.


Jon

[dbotos]

That Akins thing is neat. So basically it needs to be some kind of discrete user input for each shot in order to be considered semi-auto? I guess turning the crank a given amount on a trigger activator is considered a discrete input. What about belt-loop bump-firing? What's the legality of that? Is using the rifle's recoil instead of your finger motion okay?

[jfettig]

Bump firing is completely legal, by the definition of "Machine Gun" Akins accelerators are completely legal. BATF gets off by making fun things illegal.


Jon

[JWP]

batfe makes rules up on a whim, they need their butts kicked hard on the akins

[UZIFORME]

Originally posted by jfettig
Bump firing is completely legal, by the definition of "Machine Gun" Akins accelerators are completely legal. BATF gets off by making fun things illegal.


Jon

My definition of pulling a trigger would not be to keep a finger stationary and having a mecanized trigger bouce against said stationary objet.

As for what is legal that is for courts to decide, not us and not the ATF. Only time will tell.

[JWP]

Originally posted by UZIFORME
My definition of pulling a trigger would not be to keep a finger stationary and having a mecanized trigger bouce against said stationary objet.

As for what is legal that is for courts to decide, not us and not the ATF. Only time will tell.

you definition is not in the law

[UZIFORME]

If a gun designed to fire by action of a human running a crank is not a machinegun but replacing the human with a motor and it becomes a machinegun then explain to me how.

A gun that fires when it bumps up against a finger but would still fire if said finger was replaced with a pair of vice grips and then the gun was laid on the ground with no human finger involvement and it would continue to fire could be explained not to be a machinegun.

[ColGlock]

Originally posted by UZIFORME
My definition of pulling a trigger would not be to keep a finger stationary and having a mecanized trigger bouce against said stationary objet.

As for what is legal that is for courts to decide, not us and not the ATF. Only time will tell.

Actually the trigger finger is moving. It is moving relative to the frame of reference of the Trigger, therefore there is movement.

[DonL]

The Akins Accelerator was re-classified to be a machinegun by the ATFE....They initially said it was not but changed their minds. If you have one it is contraband. You are required to send the "spring" to the ATFE to remove the machinegun status.
See: www.firefaster.com

Me...I'm waiting for the hand crank 22lr Mini-gun with 5000rd hopper.

[r2kba]

Originally posted by DonL
The Akins Accelerator was re-classified to be a machinegun by the ATFE....They initially said it was not but changed their minds. If you have one it is contraband. You are required to send the "spring" to the ATFE to remove the machinegun status.
See: www.firefaster.com

Me...I'm waiting for the hand crank 22lr Mini-gun with 5000rd hopper.


Yeah I saw that coming. I had NO delusions that the ATFE wouldn't " Change their mind" on that.

I wonder when they will " change their mind " on the rest of the NFA law.:upeyes:

[cpgor]

Originally posted by dbotos
What about belt-loop bump-firing? What's the legality of that? Is using the rifle's recoil instead of your finger motion okay?


The BATFE has ruled the a shoestring used in this manner would be a machinegun.

[Gregoriev]

BATFE is a rogue agency. The JPFO have a great video showing how inept they are when testing firearms, and how they send innocent people to jail.

That said, the shoestring thing is true.

On another note, there are no truly technical definitions of what a machine gun exactly IS. The BATFE intentionally keep the definition as vague as possible so that they can put as many people in jail as possible. Some deserve to go, some do not. They dont care if your in the latter catagory.

A hunk of metal, can be considered a machine gun because you could make it a machine gun with "little effort" or some such nonsense. JPFO have the full write up on their website.

I hate to make things political...