Another Mike request

[cookand]

What do you fellas think?

Try some loads with the Ranger bonded? Maybe, maybe not?

[Bullman]

Looks as though everyone is happy with Gold Dots and Golden Sabres. My thoughts on it are I dont' think that the Ranger Bonded can do anything that the Gold Dot can't or the Sabre.

[MakeMineA10mm]

Watch for a new bullet from DoubleTap in the future. For those of you old enough to remember when GT only had 2 forums, the term "pasta-shok" will let you know of what I speak.

Basically, it will be THE load for 10mm negating all others...

[deguelo]

makemine-- why so coy? details, man, we want details! regards-- deguelo.

[Bravo-Four]

Turbonatr has me kinda thinking now after reading one of his threads on another forum regarding GD ammo being pushed too hard. It pushes so hard that the pedals actually peel back making it around .50 instead of a larger .75+

Apparantly, I have been told to (along with you guys and everyone we can get together) to petition to have DT utilize the Winchester Silvertip 175gr since it was actually designed as a 10mm bullet whereas a GD in all actually was meant to perform best at speeds under 1200 or even less.

[MakeMineA10mm]

Originally posted by deguelo
makemine-- why so coy? details, man, we want details! regards-- deguelo.
dequelo, dude, there's nothing that would please me more than to plaster this info all over the 10mm forums, but I must defer to the man who will get this done. It may have been my idea, but it's his deal to get it done, and I don't want to put him in a situation where people are bugging the heck out of him for something that may not happen as quick as people want. Just believe you me, it will be the ultimate 10mm load.




Originally posted by Bravo-Four
Turbonatr has me kinda thinking now after reading one of his threads on another forum regarding GD ammo being pushed too hard. It pushes so hard that the pedals actually peel back making it around .50 instead of a larger .75+

Apparantly, I have been told to (along with you guys and everyone we can get together) to petition to have DT utilize the Winchester Silvertip 175gr since it was actually designed as a 10mm bullet whereas a GD in all actually was meant to perform best at speeds under 1200 or even less.

Actually, if Turbo would shoot more brands of JHPs, he'd find out that virtually all brands of JHPs suffer from the same affect, including Winchester Rangers & Silvertips, Sierras, Speers, and Hornady XTPs... (I've got some Ranger Ts that I handloaded hotter than normal in 9mm, and the "razor talons" folded all the way around to the back of the bullet, winding up behind the base, resulting in the dreaded talons doing no more/worse damage than any other JHP...)

As far as the Silvertip, they're available from Winchester as component bullets, but the 175gr 10mm bullet is not specially built for 10mm speeds. As a matter of fact, I've got 2 different generations of 10mm STs and three generations of them all total, when counting some old 357 Mags and 44 Mags I've got from when the ST first came out in the early 80s.

The very first STs were simply an aluminum alloy jacket, and it had no special characteristics of holding together. As a matter of fact, the original concept was to package the lead core of the bullet in a WEAK, malleable jacket in order to cause the STs to behave like a soft lead HP bullet, while preserving the anti-leading feature of jacketed bullets.

[HAVOC]

Originally posted by MakeMineA10mm
dequelo, dude, there's nothing that would please me more than to plaster this info all over the 10mm forums, but I must defer to the man who will get this done. It may have been my idea, but it's his deal to get it done, and I don't want to put him in a situation where people are bugging the heck out of him for something that may not happen as quick as people want. Just believe you me, it will be the ultimate 10mm load.

Wasn't Pasta-Shok a joke..? Made from unobtanium or some such... Are you just yanking our chain? It always looked the the Starfire worked extremely well at 1300fps...


Originally posted by MakeMineA10mm
The very first STs were simply an aluminum alloy jacket, and it had no special characteristics of holding together. As a matter of fact, the original concept was to package the lead core of the bullet in a WEAK, malleable jacket in order to cause the STs to behave like a soft lead HP bullet, while preserving the anti-leading feature of jacketed bullets.

The slower STs like .380, .38Sp and .45ACP still are soft alloys, aluminum and manganese iirr. The faster versions are cupro-nickle guilding metal like most jackets, just with a nickle plate.

[MakeMineA10mm]

Originally posted by HAVOC
Wasn't Pasta-Shok a joke..? Made from unobtanium or some such... Are you just yanking our chain? It always looked the the Starfire worked extremely well at 1300fps...




The slower STs like .380, .38Sp and .45ACP still are soft alloys, aluminum and manganese iirr. The faster versions are cupro-nickle guilding metal like most jackets, just with a nickle plate.

HAVOC,
I promise I am not yanking your chain. As a matter of fact, the bullet was made at one time, but was discontinued. It wasn't loaded in 10mm. Think revolver hunting bullets. Mike is in discussions with the company that made the bullet to see if they will sell him a couple hundred thousand to load... I don't want to say any more. I want to let Mike work this out with the manufacturer with zero complications so we can actually get our hands on the ultimate 10!

Good call on those low-velocity STs. I forgot that those are still made the old fashioned way. IIRC, the last box of 32 STs I bought for my Seecamp was still the first-generation style w/ the aluminum non-scored mouth bullet jackets.

[MakeMineA10mm]

Just for clarity, when I say this will be the ultimate 10mm load, I'm talking about mostly hunting/field type shooting, not defensive, although there will be many who proclaim it as the ultimate defensive bullet as well.

I suppose it will mostly depend on what weight bullet Mike talks them into making. If it's heavier, it will definitely be a hunting-oriented load. If it's medium-light, it will be an all-around load, with strong defensive shooting capabilities... There will not be a "light-bullet" load (150grs or less), because the design of this bullet is not that flexible towards the light weights.

Personally, if Mike can get whatever weight he wants, I'm hoping for a 185gr-190gr bullet. That will make it an awesome hunting load, especially out of the 6" hunting barrel. True 41 Magnum performance. Deer, Bear, Buffalo, Rhinocerous... :supergrin:

I like more of a rapid-expanding bullet for defensive purposes myself, and would choose a different bullet design and weight for that.

[HAVOC]

Well that pretty well rules out the rumored 210gr .41Mag Gold Dot sized doen to 10mm...

Hmmm... only thing that comes to mind is Pingrabbers... I always thought a Partition would be perfect fo personal defense. Make the front extra soft to get a huge stretch cavity and fragmentation, with the hard shank to make sure you get a nice deep hole. PMC Ultramags are AP so that's out.

I can only hope someone starts carrying DT so I can buy some.

[C.Smith]

I wonder if it is the Partition. That would be kind of cool.

Corey