lasermax lasers

[mserr]

Any of you use them? they are pretty expensive but I like the idea of having the laser in the spring assembly + no sight adjustment since it will be in sync with the barrel already, is it easy to install?

[T. Harless]

Pretty simple. Replace the Slide lock with Lasermax slide lock, install the Lasermax recoil spring assembly like an OEM and you're laser guided.

[RayB]

Originally posted by mserr
Any of you use them? they are pretty expensive but I like the idea of having the laser in the spring assembly + no sight adjustment since it will be in sync with the barrel already, is it easy to install?


Judy and I have had excellent service, by that I mean thousands of rounds, from LaserMax units installed in my G21 and her G19. This has been with all manner of ammo, including some very hot Double Tap stuff.

In something like 3500-rounds mine turned itself on something like three times--no biggie in my book; I just shut it off. Judy's has been flawless.

The later model LaserMax units use "captured springs", and installation is even easier now. Here's a link you may find useful...

http://www.commtechreview.net/firearms/lasermax.htm

Note that initial installation does require attention to small details; but once you get it--you got it! :thumbsup:

You can pop in the OEM guide rod any time for range practice, if you like.

Ours were very accurate right out of the box.

Since recoil springs are a consumable item, LaserMax stocks these for routine replacement (I forget how many thousand rounds is recommended). When I called to ask about this, they sent me replacements for free. The originals still work fine...

A two piece capture collar retains the spring at the emitter end, and if you've never encountered one of these, you may mistake it for broken; it's not. Just don't manually compress the spring and let go suddenly! (Like I did one Friday night! :beer: = :freak: )

Also expect exceptional battery life--we're both still on original batteries from 11/05 and 02/06 purchases.

Given my experience YTD, I'd buy a third LaserMax.

--Ray

[O-Town G27]

The hardest thing about installing a LaserMax is replacing the Slide Lock Spring. You only have to do it once as the LaserMax Slide Lock Spring has a couple of little bumps to hold the new Slide Lock to one side or the other to act as the "ON" switch. Other than that, it is as simple as putting the recoil spring in the gun.

I love having mine as a "back-up" to my TFO sights for quick target aquisition in low light.

[PEC-Memphis]

I've got a lasermax in a G23. It has had ~800 rounds through the G23 with the lasermax guiderod/laser.

I had a problem with a plastic bushing (early on) and after about 500 rounds the plastic cap failed. I called their customer service and had replacement parts in my hands in two days at no charge, they were very helpful and friendly (they are a USA company, try that with a product made in China)

The POI is +/-1" at 20 yards.

My wife shoots better with the laser than without it. Good technique must still be maintained while using a laser sight. The pisotl/revolver must be held up to eyelevel (just like using "iron" sights) but concentrate on the laser point rather than the front sight. Almost everybody gets "lazy' and lowers the gun, as a result, accuracy almost always suffers.

[RayB]

Originally posted by PEC-Memphis
I've got a lasermax in a G23. It has had ~800 rounds through the G23 with the lasermax guiderod/laser.

1) I had a problem with a plastic bushing (early on) and after about 500 rounds the plastic cap failed. I called their customer service and had replacement parts in my hands in two days at no charge, they were very helpful and friendly (they are a USA company, try that with a product made in China)

2) The POI is +/-1" at 20 yards.

3) The pisotl/revolver must be held up to eyelevel (just like using "iron" sights) but concentrate on the laser point rather than the front sight. Almost everybody gets "lazy' and lowers the gun, as a result, accuracy almost always suffers.

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1) I've heard this a few times. If memory serves, it's always in a
.40 model too. Has the replacement cap held up? Many plastics need to be annealed to cure properly; I wonder if they get bad batches?

2) At 30-feet we get about 1/4" above the barrel, consistently.

3) This is not at all in our experience! I can routinely shoot bull's-eyes at 30-feet, while standing, with the gun wresting in my hands, on the shooting lane bench--about belly level; with no sighting down the barrel involved. Likewise, I can "hit" by holding the gun, again double handed, at chest height, without sighting down the barrel at all.

If you think about it, having to sight down the barrel would negate half the advantage of the laser!

Try some patient dry-fire exercise, and you'll see I'm right. It's all in trigger control.

--Ray

[Dalton Wayne]

I have one and I could not be any happier, great product, great company, get one you will be glad you did...

[LAWDOGKMS]

No kidding, I am thoroughly happy with mine that I purchased for my G23 about 4 months ago from Streichers...

I work full time on a fugitive task force, and search homes daily, and the laser has been a great tool, and intimidation device..

Fugitives that would previously stay hidden in the closet, now come out pretty quickly when that pulsing laser beam starts sweeping the room.

If you can't tell, I love mine...

FWIW: Streichers gave me a really good price, and their service was quick and friendly.........the catalog is outstanding as well, with lots of stuff I'd like to buy..

[Skeezer]

i have a g20 with .357 sig 6" ported, and 40sw 6" barrels. If i buy a lasermax, will i need to have different springs installed to use these other calibers. If so, how hard are they to install..

[Mac10]

I was under the impression that the captured units, like the one in my G30 needed to go back to Lasermax for spring replacement. I guess I haven't inspected it closely enough to see if it can be done by the end user.

[blinddog]

I helped test them for my departments Tactical unit in '94 they are great and easy to install. The only reason the Dept did not go with them was price and if I had been able to afford it then i would have anyway. I am thinking about it now since I retired for CCW I still carry the same G21 she retired when I did :) I just refinishe d both my G21 Glocks I am waiting on new nite sites and am really thginking about one of them as a back up or for night use.

[RayB]

Some places will get you a LEO or military discount on a new LaserMax.

--Ray

[RayB]

Originally posted by Mac10
I was under the impression that the captured units, like the one in my G30 needed to go back to Lasermax for spring replacement. I guess I haven't inspected it closely enough to see if it can be done by the end user.


I don't think so...

But since the instructions don't address it at all, I think the OEM thinks we're too dumb to handle it... :headscratch:

Wearing eye protection, you manually compress the spring at the emitter end, and remove the two piece capture collar. Boing! ;)

I discovered this by accident one Friday night, much to the amusement of some company! :drunk:

--Ray

[RayB]

Originally posted by Skeezer
i have a g20 with .357 sig 6" ported, and 40sw 6" barrels. If i buy a lasermax, will i need to have different springs installed to use these other calibers. If so, how hard are they to install..


Hmmm... LaserMax are somewhat model-specific, but not entirely.

As supplied, the LaserMax for your G20 is also speced for G21. The LaserMax for G17 is also specced for G22, G31, & G37.

So, I guess they might advise you to change the spring, or possibly the entire unit.

It seems to me, the conversions consistent with the models specced by the OEM, shouldn't void the warranty. My G21 10 MM conversion should not void the warranty, since the same LM is specced for G20/G21. The same goes for G29/G30--which is why I plan a 10 mm conversion for my new G30 as well.

If this conversion barrel thingy really catches on (and I think it will if it works like they say it does), this will be useful information to have. Why not call or e-mail LaserMax? Hell, I'll do it right now! ;)

--Ray

[lindh]

I'd agree with RayB on the LM captive spring assembly. I don't see any need to return the unit for a replacement spring due to the captive feature. With a little care (and eye protection)the captive 2 piece flange/washer can be removed and re-assembled.

When I got an LM for my G19, I was shooting holes about 3 to 4 inches up and to the right of the beam (at about 40 feet). Thinking it was something I was doing wrong, I got a LE friend who has a lot of experience with Glocks to shoot it.. with the same results.
I contacted LM and they agreed to have their folks look at it, so I sent the pistol and laser to them. Haven't heard back from them yet.. they got it just before the holidays so it might be a few days.

[RayB]

Originally posted by RayB
If this conversion barrel thingy really catches on (and I think it will if it works like they say it does), this will be useful information to have. Why not call or e-mail LaserMax? Hell, I'll do it right now! ;)

--Ray

Good as my word, I emailed the OEM. No answer yet.

--Ray

[RayB]

Originally posted by lindh
I contacted LM and they agreed to have their folks look at it, so I sent the pistol and laser to them. Haven't heard back from them yet.. they got it just before the holidays so it might be a few days.


Please let us know how it was handled, what was done, the time it required, and the results.

--Ray

[lindh]

"Please let us know how it was handled, what was done, the time it required, and the results.

--Ray"

I certainly will.

Lindh

[8541/9999]

Ray -b Call Bob besigel at 1-585-272-5420 ex311 or e mail him at bbesigel@lasermax.com he is the head armorer for lasermax and has the tribal knowledge.

[RayB]

Originally posted by 8541/9999
Ray -b Call Bob besigel at 1-585-272-5420 ex311 or e mail him at bbesigel@lasermax.com he is the head armorer for lasermax and has the tribal knowledge.


Done!

--Ray