Mech Tech Carbine

[DanaT]

I have tried searching for this, but surprisingly little has been posted about the Mech Tech.

Has anyone used this in 10mm (or other caliber)? How is the accuracy of these?

For some silly reason I am thinking of buying one. I am not sure if it will do what I want.

I either want 10mm or 9mm. Not really sure what I want.

Here is why I am thinking of one. I have a 9mm carbine. It is a Ruger PC9. It has, as I have seen posted on the internet, minute-of-pie-plate accuracy. Not too good for what I want.

What do I want this for?

Well, I have a small area where I control prairie dogs (note this in not hunting as that is illegal, but controlling them on private property is allowed). So, I control them at the in-laws house. That is where the problem is. The prairie dogs get shot at alot, but mostly with 22LR. They know once you get within 125 yards, that they will get shot so they go down. Now, when I went after them with the 223, I could get them easily. But, my mother-in-law and wife get really upset with the noise from a 223 (as well as "neighbors"). So I have to shoot them with something much quieter than a 223.

So, my thoughts. Keep missing them with a PC9 (or figure out how to get it more accurate). Buy a 22WMR rifle. Buy either a 9mm or 10mm Mech Tech. I guess I could also consider an AR in a pistol caliber or a Berreta Carbine.

So, my question is, how accurate (1.5MOA?? 2MOA?? 10MOA??) are the Mech Tech carbines? I know a DT 135mm will probably be flatter shooting out of a mech tech than any 9mm. 9mm is probably a lot less noisy. Of coarse 10mm can be loaded down, and 9mm can't be loaded up to 10mm power.

Yes, the WMR may be a little flatter shooting, but, downrange energy on a prairie dog is much better with 9mm or 10mm. I mean, 9mm will start out 3 to 4 times the energy of 22LR. 22LR that I have been shooting with just do not drop the prarie dogs well, especially once ranges approach or exceed 100 yards.

As a side note, I KNOW that 10mm 165gr DT GS ammo will blow up a prairie dog. How, I actually shot one while on a hunt (in an area where they are not spooked) with my G20. He made the mistake of sitting up out of his hole and looking at me about 20 feet away. I had to see what happened.

So, what experience has anyone had with a mech tech?

-Dana

[Clarkbar]

Originally posted by DanaT
Now, when I went after them with the 223, I could get them easily. But, my mother-in-law and wife get really upset with the noise from a 223 (as well as "neighbors"). So I have to shoot them with something much quieter than a 223.

What 223 rifle are you using? An AR15?

What you really should do (instead of dumping good money on very low quality pistol-caliber carbines of dubious accuracy and/or reliability) is purchase a good suppressor for your AR15 and calm everyone down, while still maintaining the reach you need.

Gemtech HALO (http://www.gem-tech.com/HALO.html)


http://www.gem-tech.com/Images/HALO%20WEAPONS.jpg (http://www.gem-tech.com/HALO.html)

[DanaT]

Yes, I shoot them with an AR15.

I have thought about a sound suppressor. In fact, the local gun store has a demo Gemtech Halo for $500.

The problem with the suppressor is that it will run the cost of the suppressor, the $200 tax stamp, the paperwork, 6 months to get the ATF approval. They are hard to transfer. You are put into an ATF database.

Also, many suppressor can't be used on both 223 and 22LR. I think it is a "leading" problem. I think Yankee Hill is the only one that says a 223 suppressor is able to be used with a 22LR.

Does the paperwork need to be carried at all times with the suppressor? Does a suppressor really quiet an AR that much?

Having done alot of sound measurement, impulses are VERY hard to measure and require very expensive equipment. Hearing damage can occur with loud sounds no matter the duration. However, human hearing can only react to somewhere between 6ms and 12ms. To get signal processing hardware that can measure peaks in the 1ms to 12ms range is not easy.

From what I remember, a 223 is around 150-160db SPL impluse sound. Take a good suppressor, and you now have a 120-130db sound. 120db is VERY loud and most people will be on the verge of pain by 130db. Of coarse the sound does go down exponentially from the source with distance. Double the distance, quarter the SPL.

So, how effective is the suppressor. And now to get back on topic....

How is the Mech Tech?

-Dana

[Akita]

Subjectively, a good 223 can sounds about like a 22 rifle imo. If the neighbors can stand a 22, a 223 supressed should sound the same to them.

You might want to think about a 22mag. A cheap Savage bolt action from Kmart can be pretty accurate with good ammo.

[Clarkbar]

Originally posted by DanaT
Yes, I shoot them with an AR15. I have thought about a sound suppressor. In fact, the local gun store has a demo Gemtech Halo for $500.

Wow! I'd jump all over that in a heartbeat! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by DanaT
The problem with the suppressor is that it will run the cost of the suppressor, the $200 tax stamp, the paperwork, 6 months to get the ATF approval. They are hard to transfer. You are put into an ATF database.

Ok, your cost will be $700 . . . not a bad deal for a Gemtech HALO. As for the paperwork, that takes about 10 minutes, with another 10 to get fingerprinted, and 10 for passport photos. The transfer approval from the ATF should be about a month, or less. My SBR took about three-and-a-half weeks to clear.

What do you mean they're "hard to transfer"? You mean, to sell? Not really, if you only expect to get fair market value. As for being in an "ATF database", it's a pretty flawed one, with lots of gaps in it (for starters). If you've ever had an SSN, a security clearance, been in the Service, had a driver's license (or phone number, or internet account, or credit card), etc . . . you're in somebody's database. That database is probably the last one that's ever going to cause you trouble. If it did, people wouldn't buy NFA items.

Originally posted by DanaT
Does the paperwork need to be carried at all times with the suppressor? Does a suppressor really quiet an AR that much?

Yes, and (subjectively) yes. Carrying the paperwork with it is no big deal, as most places that sell dedicated nylon suppressor bags have a pocket built into the bag for the form. A smart move also is to photocopy the form as small as is legible, and laminate the copy. It's really not a hassle.

As for how it quiets down an AR . . . I've only experience with the KAC SOPMOD can on an issue M4, but it certainly quiets that beast down and tames recoil. When I can afford a can, I will most certainly get one.

[Brian Dover]

I've only known three people who bought Mech Techs. One was for a 1911 pistol, the MT unit went on two different guns he owned (without any fitting needed) and both worked fine.

The other two guys had Mech Techs for Glocks, one each in 9mm and .40S&W as memory serves. Never a bit of trouble with those units, and they were fairly accurate to boot, group sizes got cut in half or less at 25 yds. and longer.

Never had a store around here stock the MTs, so it's hard to get much input by asking the folks behind the counters about them. Almost have to be sort of nosy (in afriendly way) whenever you see somebody at the range using one.

[bubllehead]

for the dogs at relatively short range, if you thought a .22wmr mite do, get a .17 hmr and have done. SPOOKY accurate, and it hits hell on dogs at those ranges.:rock:

[VN350X10]

The Mec-Tech is a good fun conversion but for serious "pest control" with acceptable noise, have you considered a Ruger 77-22 Hornet ?
The Hornet is useful out to about 250 yds on a calm day, is cheap to reload & has all the accuracy needed. It's cheaper to reload Hornet than buy .22 Mag.
I don't think that the Mec-Tech will give you the accuracy you are looking for, even thou it definately will have the power.
Now if you're pest problem was large rock chucks or coyotes, it would be adequate, but borderline.

We had a Mec-Tech conversion on a 1911 as a rental gun at one of the shops I worked at, set up with a red dot. It shot as well as my bullseye pistol, also a 1911, but wasn't any more accurate @ 50'.

Hope this helps.

uncle albert

[Carphunter]

Don't know if you can find this with the search.... but from past investigations and discussions here and elsewhere... I think the agreement was that the 10mm Glock Mech Tech's never cut it like they're 1911 and smaller cal. models.

A couple people here ought to be able to chime in on the reliability issues they ran into... and the fact that the uppers were never repaired to a usable state.

[oly884]

Originally posted by Carphunter
Don't know if you can find this with the search.... but from past investigations and discussions here and elsewhere... I think the agreement was that the 10mm Glock Mech Tech's never cut it like they're 1911 and smaller cal. models.

A couple people here ought to be able to chime in on the reliability issues they ran into... and the fact that the uppers were never repaired to a usable state.

I'd like to bump this thread to hear some of these comments. I've been taking a look at the Mech Tech's product for my 20 and would really like to hear about these things.

Thank you.

[10mm4ever]

Good to see you here DanaT. Do you ever frequent "HexD" forums anymore?