Dry-lube for Kahr p&pms

[pistolaro]

It seems that for the Kahr P&Pms to function properly they need
to be dripping with oil and well greased. This is not good for a
pistol that is used for self-defense purposes.What about dry-lube?
I was thinking about MICROLON "gun juice". Anyone try this stuff?
It works by sealing the pores and rough areas in the metal with
particles of resin leaving a smooth,lubricated "DRY" surface.I want
to try this on my Kahr p9. This is my carry gun, as is my Glock 26.
The glock runs with VERY little lube, and is always 100%
Like some feed-back,
Pistolaro

[Colorado4Wheel]

Never belief everything you read on the internet. I own a TP9 which is basically a P9 with a 1/2 inch longer slide and barrel. I lube it just as any other gun I have owned. It is not dripping wet, it has over 1000rds with only 1 hiccup on the first shot. After that flawless. Just follow the sticky on the forum, lube the gun normally and see how it behaves. I carry mine IWB on OWB. My OWB is open at the bottom so dripping oil would definatly be a problem.

[wingsprint]

Originally posted by pistolaro
It seems that for the Kahr P&Pms to function properly they need
to be dripping with oil and well greased. This is not good for a
pistol that is used for self-defense purposes.What about dry-lube?
I was thinking about MICROLON "gun juice". Anyone try this stuff?
It works by sealing the pores and rough areas in the metal with
particles of resin leaving a smooth,lubricated "DRY" surface.I want
to try this on my Kahr p9. This is my carry gun, as is my Glock 26.
The glock runs with VERY little lube, and is always 100%
Like some feed-back,
Pistolaro



I am somewhat responsible for the "dripping wet" Kahr claim, but only during break in. I feel that they need to be heavily lubed during the break in period, after that you can lube normally.

Make sure your guide rod and outside surfaces of the barrel are well lubed, that should solve your problem.

Don't forget that your G26 does not have the tight tolerances that you Kahr has (not a bad thing-just a different approach) and will not be as lubrication sensitive.

[TommyTomTom]

Yep, all Glocks I think would be considered weapons grade combat pistols; suitable for military and duty sidearms. The torture tests you see from time to time with them make it evident they are designed to run dripping wet with ice, mud, sand, or chemically stripped of lube and run dry.

Kahrs on the other hand are much tighter and require a bit of careful lubing. I sound like an apologist for TW-25B, but I'm a big proponent of synthetic grease on the Kahr barrel. The entire barrel's surface, especially the barrel hood and sides should have a light coating of TW-25B. I also put a dab on the frame's slide pads. When I use oil (like on the slide's rail cuts, I put a drop on each and let it run down. Anything you buy from a good gun store will be sufficient. I like Militec-1, FP-10, and even super cheap Rem Oil.

Kahrs must be broken in for at least 200 rounds, and I think it should be 3 to 5 hundred. They aren't quite 1911 tight, but close.

[y-not]

+1 on TW25B

[FL-obiwan]

I like the "dry" lubes like Poly Pro Tec and Militec1. No probs since round #98 (failure to completely feed).

[silky]

I use Breakfree, but there is a poster here in the Kahr club called Tough Guy Levi who uses microlon dry lube and has shot 7,000 trouble-free rounds through his MK9.

www.microlon.com

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=602425&highlight=lube

[pistolaro]

Thank the good LORD for Microlon! I will order a bottle.
This is just what i was looking for.I hear Militex-1 is great
stuff also. There is one famious gun-smith who uses Militex-1
exclusively.
I will let you all know what happens,
Pistolaro

[josp]

I was considering the same thing. I tried EEZOX (found on the web) It is an all in one product and goes on wet, but dries to a waxy film. I cleaned it and lubed my P9c and carried and checked it daily for a month (mainly pocket and ankle carry) before believing in it. Just as a test, after the month without other care, I ran 250 rounds (WWB and DPX)without a bobble. I think I found my oil :thumbsup:

[Waffen HK]

Another +1 for TW-25B. Broke in the P9 with it (flawless 500 rnds).
I have also used the MMC lube that came with my P3AT to break it in (flawless as well).

ETA: I use TW-25B to lube most of my firearms. The MMC for the Kel-Tec.

[boxingref_rick]

Are you guys using the TW25B on the inside of the barrels also?
I just ordered the grease, any input guys!

Glove up!
Rick

[JKG]

I have found that dripping wet lube is not necessary in any of my guns (PM9, AR-15, P3AT). I think this is a myth of the Kahr and simply internet rumor. It does make cleaning easier though. For a concealed carry piece, it attracts a lot of lint and dirt.

To me, dry lube is a light application of your favorite lube. If I was in a sandy environment I would try a dry lube.

[TommyTomTom]

Originally posted by boxingref_rick
Are you guys using the TW25B on the inside of the barrels also?
I just ordered the grease, any input guys!

Glove up!
Rick

No -- I wouldn't use TW25B on the inside of the barrel. A lot of the guys I know use something much lighter on the inside of the barrel once they know it is clean. At that point, I just use a patch soaked with Rem Oil -- run it through the barrel, and then run 1 or 2 dry ones to mop it up good. There will be just enough residue of that very light oil (which is partial synthetic) to keep it rust free.

There's a ton of different opinions out there, but I don't know a single person that uses synthetic grease on the inside of a barrel. I think you could be looking at some serious over-pressure issues with that.

Also, as a previous poster indicated -- you don't need a ton of lubrication on anything.

[boxingref_rick]

Hi.
After posting the question, I saw where they
offer an oil to use inside the barrel.
I normaly use Breakfree, or the Rem oil anyway,
so I will just keep using those inside the pipe!

Thanks much!

Rick.

[TommyTomTom]

Originally posted by boxingref_rick
Hi.
After posting the question, I saw where they
offer an oil to use inside the barrel.
I normaly use Breakfree, or the Rem oil anyway,
so I will just keep using those inside the pipe!

Thanks much!

Rick.

Man, I just got schooled at the Mil-comm website.

The 8th bullet point down under 'Benefits' says:

Provides improved bore accuracy and increased muzzle velocity

http://www.hostonline2001.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=milcomm&Category_Code=data_tw25b

http://www.mil-comm.com/ (click on the TW25B logo)

I did not know that. (Johnny Carson)

[pistolaro]

You all need to be careful of Waxy build-up with dry lubes.
All you are wanting is to fill in the pores of the metal at the
molecular level. This reduces friction,smoothes up the cycling
action.
pistolaro