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MarineCorp5811
01-02-2007, 15:26
I was wondering if it would be at least possible to start off as Infantry go for 2 or more years (needed for Force Recon) then go to be an MP, then try for Force Recon if i stay in longer?

RM
01-02-2007, 15:37
A Lat move once you are a 0321 is pretty much not going to happen. Right now there is an extreme shortage of 0321s in the FMF.

You could go in as a MP and take the indoc, but since 58xx OCC field is always short and guys are getting blown up in it in Iraq all the time, the monitor will not allow a lat move into 03 field. Pretty much if you go into the 58xx field you will stay in the field as either an MP or corrections specialist.

MarineCorp5811
01-02-2007, 15:38
Basically its one way or another. just either stay in the 03 or 58?

RM
01-02-2007, 15:43
03s can normally move out of the OCC field because it is a rather large one, however Lat moves are harder to get done than most recruiters make them out to be. However, having said that becoming a 0321 very hard, and very few make it through the pipeline. Because of this once one is a 0321 chances are he will stay in that MOS for a long time, right now they are exempted from the B billets because of the shortage.

MarineCorp5811
01-02-2007, 15:46
whats a B Billet?

RM
01-02-2007, 15:51
MOS's off the category B list. Normally this is recruiting, DI, MSG, MCSF but can be several other Non-MOS tour. For enlisted Marines it is normally required for promotion to GySgt. Officers on the other hand if they are combat arms will do one after their 2-3 year in the FMF and than between ever FMF tour, with those of the rank of major or higher normally doing 2 back to back B billets prior to going back to the FMF.

MarineCorp5811
01-02-2007, 15:56
Thank you very much, you gave me some more stuff to think about.

inkslut
01-08-2007, 09:59
wow, when I was going through MCT back in 1990 they were pulling students in our class who wanted to try out for Recon. How times have changed.

RM
01-08-2007, 13:48
Originally posted by inkslut
wow, when I was going through MCT back in 1990 they were pulling students in our class who wanted to try out for Recon. How times have changed.

They still do, they also have a recon contract that gives an 03 a shot at the indoc at SOI. However, there it is a long way from taking the indoc to getting the 0321 MOS. As of last year their was something like a 75 percent failure rate at BRC/ARS, that doesn't count the majority of people who either fail the indoc or don't make it through RMAT to even go to BRC/ARS.

devildog2067
01-11-2007, 01:00
I went to boot camp with two guys that went in guaranteed contract 0321's because--get this--they were from Hawaii, they were reservists, and the only FMFR unit in Hawaii at the time (1999) was a Recon company.

I know for a fact one of them busted out of BRC, I don't know what happened to him.

digitspaw
01-27-2007, 11:59
Originally posted by inkslut
wow, when I was going through MCT back in 1990 they were pulling students in our class who wanted to try out for Recon. How times have changed.

I'll go you one better. After I finished basic, I went to radio telegraph operator school and then my first assisnment was with 5th Battalion Recon at Pendleton. I was a 2533 MOS.
About 3 months into that, the Battalion absorded 5th Force Recon and guess what? We all became 5th Force. Jeezus. All I remember was PT, PT, PT forever. The training was fantastic for the day, but NOTHING compared to what you guys get now.

For me, I got to attend jump school at Ft Benning, Ranger School at Benning, SCUBA school at Amphib Base in Coronado, and POW school at Barbers Point in Hawaii.

Worked a lot of amphibious insertion drills and lockouts from Navy subs.

I was a scout swimmer as well.


Too bad we didn't have the modern Comm gear you guys have now.

Humping a PRC 41 or 47 was freakin' murder. Even the PRC25 was a PITA.


I served from Dec 1968 through Dec 1972.

5th Bat Recon, 5th Force Recon, 1st ANGLICO.




Semper Fi


Paw:wavey:

Ignition
01-27-2007, 13:25
yup us Comm guys at school are given a chance and indocs if you want to try it.


few of my Data geek friends got sent out to okinawa with 3rd recon straight outta school.


PT PT every day and they have alpha inspections every other friday

lol

MarineCorp5811
01-27-2007, 18:41
Were you in Vietnam Digitspaw?

Chief301
02-08-2007, 15:43
The process has changed several times over the years but I agree that it's gonna be one or the other regarding MP vs Force Recon and their is an extremely high wash out rate during indoc. If you wash out it's back to the grunts.

MarineCorp5811
02-08-2007, 20:30
I think ive decided to go MP since it will help me out in my future career of Law Enforcement, this way i get the experience and knowledge even before i take the state police academy. MP would also help me become a Marshall if i do choose to go higher than county.

Ignition
02-11-2007, 12:10
some police dept. dont like MP's as much because their style of force training and training in the civilian sector are two different things and once you teach a dog how to do a trick, its hard for em to relearn it a new way.


but still good on ya, now earn the title before anything else

MarineCorp5811
02-11-2007, 19:28
Sir Yes Sir

Ignition
02-13-2007, 16:48
Originally posted by MarineCorp5811
Sir Yes Sir


dont say sir, i work for a living

devildog2067
02-14-2007, 21:01
Originally posted by MarineCorp5811
I think ive decided to go MP since it will help me out in my future career of Law Enforcement, this way i get the experience and knowledge even before i take the state police academy. MP would also help me become a Marshall if i do choose to go higher than county.

I have also heard that many departments find MP training undesirable, but I'm not a cop.

Yamadad
03-02-2007, 00:04
True , but that's softening up due to the influx from guy who were in the sandbox.

justince46
03-12-2007, 03:02
...Force Recon does not exist anymore. The Force Reconnaissance Companies furled their colors in '06 and all their operators were rolled into MARSOC (Marine Special Operations Command).

RM
03-12-2007, 06:30
Originally posted by justince46
...Force Recon does not exist anymore. The Force Reconnaissance Companies furled their colors in '06 and all their operators were rolled into MARSOC (Marine Special Operations Command).

Only on the active side of the house, the SMCR still has reserve FR.

justince46
03-12-2007, 07:14
True enough, thanks for pointing that out.

reconvic
03-21-2007, 12:09
First of Force Recon still exisit, but many of the men have made a move to the new SOCOM unit. Recon Battalions are soon to be gone.
Just getting the infor straight, 1st Recon battalion, C company
1st.Squad, Team snakey.
S.F.Vic:thumbsup:

RM
03-21-2007, 18:41
Originally posted by reconvic
First of Force Recon still exisit, but many of the men have made a move to the new SOCOM unit. Recon Battalions are soon to be gone.
Just getting the infor straight, 1st Recon battalion, C company
1st.Squad, Team snakey.
S.F.Vic:thumbsup:

With the activation of MARSOC, 1st Force cased its colors

See the USMC press release below.

1st MSOB stand up marks evolution of 1st Force Recon
Dec. 13, 2006; Submitted on: 12/13/2006 09:40:20 AM ; Story ID#: 2006121394020

By - MARSOC Public Affairs Office, U.S. Marine Corps Forces, Special Operations Command




MARINE CORPS BASE CAMP PENDLETON, CA (Dec. 13, 2006) -- U.S. Marine Corps Forces, Special Operations Command reached a new readiness milestone during the activation ceremony of the 1st Marine Special Operations Battalion, October 26.

The 1st MSOB is located here and, like its Camp Lejeune, N.C., counterpart, 2d MSOB, this battalion will include several Marine Special Operations Companies that will deploy with Marine Expeditionary Units to provide Regional Combatant Commanders with a sea-based special operations capability for use in the Global War on Terrorism.

Activation of the 1st MSOB was a significant step forward for MARSOC and Marine integration into the Special Operations Forces, but it also marked the end of another chapter in Marine Corps history. 1st Force Reconnaissance Company cased its colors and deactivated during the same ceremony.

“Today is not about commanders,” said Lt. Col. George W. Smith, Jr., the outgoing commanding officer of 1st Force Recon. “It’s about the many Marines and Sailors who have served in this great company and those who will continue to serve with MARSOC.”

Two platoons from 1st Force Reconnaissance were reassigned to the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion and the Marines from the remaining three platoons formed MARSOC’s newest Special Operations Battalion and the core of its first two Marine Special Operations Companies on the West Coast.

Integration of Recon Marines into MARSOC is a natural evolution for a military unit with a pioneering history in unique warfighting skills such as long-range reconnaissance, surveillance, long-range communications, close quarter battle and advanced insertion skills.

First established at Camp Pendleton, Calif. in 1957, 1st Force Reconnaissance Company’s heritage begins with the famed amphibious reconnaissance units of World War II and the Korean War.

Elements of 1st Force Reconnaissance Company first deployed to the Republic of Vietnam in 1964. During nearly five years in country, the Marines of 1st Force Recon conducted more than 2,200 reconnaissance patrols and participated in numerous operations, including the battle for Hue City.

1st Force Reconnaissance deployed to the Persian Gulf in support of Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm, to Somalia in support of Operation Restore Hope and to East Timor.

More recently, 1st Force Recon deployed numerous times in support of the Global War on Terrorism in Afghanistan and Iraq. Many 1st Force Recon Marines and Sailors returned from combat in Iraq mere days before the unit made the transition to MARSOC.

“I could speak for days about these great men,” said Smith. “They are absolutely fearless.”
Although 1st Force Reconnaissance has been deactivated, the skill, professionalism and esprit de corps shared by Recon Marines will carry on with MARSOC and the 1st MSOB.

The battle-tested Marines of MARSOC’s newest battalion have already formed the first West Coast Marine Special Operations Company and are training to deploy with a MEU in the near future.

“Standing up a new unit isn’t an easy task,” said Maj. Gen. Dennis J. Hejlik, commander of MARSOC. “We are doing everything possible to get these Marines and Sailors back into the fight.”

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn20...4?opendocument

Tangodown0311
03-21-2007, 19:34
Originally posted by reconvic
First of Force Recon still exisit, but many of the men have made a move to the new SOCOM unit. Recon Battalions are soon to be gone.
Just getting the infor straight, 1st Recon battalion, C company
1st.Squad, Team snakey.
S.F.Vic:thumbsup:

.

reconvic
03-22-2007, 21:21
Brother I am a Nam Vet 2 tours and the 1st Gulf war.I was a Marine in 1967

LittleLebowski
03-27-2007, 11:32
Why would you want to lat move and be an MP?

MarineCorp5811
04-06-2007, 12:21
My initial thinking was get prior training to becoming a Deputy, but now from what i hear it wouldnt help me anyway so i think im just going to stick with going in and staying in Recon.

Ignition
04-06-2007, 14:05
Originally posted by MarineCorp5811
My initial thinking was get prior training to becoming a Deputy, but now from what i hear it wouldnt help me anyway so i think im just going to stick with going in and staying in Recon.

not to pick on ya....... but why choose a glocktalk name like MarineCorps when you havent even earned the title?? call me crazy

MarineCorp5811
04-07-2007, 08:02
I dont know, i was actually thinking about that when i started posting. hmm guess this might give me a reason to change it.

reconvic
04-07-2007, 10:59
Then after years with the right 0300 MOS you can try out for Recon it is NOT a given trust me.Not :thumbsup:

Brigrat
04-07-2007, 11:09
I went in the Corps in 1996 as an MP after weighing the same facts you did. I got stuck with corrections, and suffered through a few years working in the brig (a crappy job I must say...)

After a few years at the Pendleton Brig they started doing cross training between the 5811's and 5831's, but it was not what I was expecting...

Being a marine MP will in no way affect your ability to become a cop...it will neither help nor hurt.

I am glad I was an MP, but given the opprotunity to do it again I would have chosen differently.

PM me if you are still weighing this decision, I have been a civiliam for 7 years this month, but I still recruit MP's for employment in my current line of work, so I have some decent info still...

As for the infantry, I can't help you much there.

Brigrat...

Slindsay08
04-08-2007, 17:48
Originally posted by reconvic
Then after years with the right 0300 MOS you can try out for Recon it is NOT a given trust me.Not :thumbsup:

I know its not easy, but im going to work my butt off to make it.

Semper Gumby
04-08-2007, 18:19
In the 90's there were field MP's and base MP's. There was a huge difference in the two, I am not sure if they were the same mos or not.

The field mp deployed with units, like the MEU's. I think the HQ was in French Creek.

The base guys just worked the base and brig like a regular job.

Know some field MP's who became cops, but lots of Marines become cops.

Slindsay08
04-08-2007, 18:23
i never knew there was a difference between the 2.

Brigrat
04-08-2007, 18:44
to add to the Field vs. Base MP...there were also Wing MP's working with the air wing only.

Slindsay08
04-08-2007, 19:05
I was reading and it said that now you have a chance to sign up for recon as soon as you enlist (still go through RIP and everything)

reconvic
04-17-2007, 12:58
You may be able to try for Recon but RIp and ARS is not a walk in the park. About 3% make it. Best of luck to you. Become a Marine first then you will see if you your MOS will let you try out for Recon
S.F.Vic

Grim Jackal
04-18-2007, 01:47
When I was in during the 90's, Force Recon was only interested if you had an M.O.S. in the 0300 field or especially a Radio Operator. Corpsman were always welcomed and the most sought after MOS by Recon at the time, or so we were told.

We were actually told we would have a better chance if we were a Corpsman or Radio Operator to be considered for Recon. The 0300 field Marines are a Dime a dozen, they wanted specialty/Technical M.O.S.

(Side note: not putting down the 0300 field, it's just about everyone who joins the Corps wants to be infantry (Include me in that statement), so there's a lot of "0300" out there compared to the technical M.O.S. that require a year or more of training that are directly related to Infantry positions, I.E. Radio Operator or Corpsman.)

Can't speak for how it is now, but I would say that the balance would still be towards the Radio Operators and Corpsman as Most Wanted MOS.

Slindsay08
04-18-2007, 18:04
Navys were you go to become a Corpsman though right?

Semper Gumby
04-18-2007, 18:08
Correct. Marine corpsman are Navy Sailors. Their rank is even navy for example they dont have a sgt he is a Petty Officer.

Slindsay08
04-18-2007, 18:23
No offense to the Navy, but id rather be a Marine.

Semper Gumby
04-18-2007, 18:28
In the Marine culture the Corpsman are highly respected. They are on the "green" side of the Navy, and fall in with the Marines always. Even on ship they are different than the ships sailors, they are with the Marines.

Its kind of hard to understand, but most Navy that is on the green side are kind of treated as part of the Marine family.

Grim Jackal
04-23-2007, 03:28
Like Semper Gumby said, they are "green" through and through. Once they are attached to an infantry unit, you can't tell the difference, cept their hair regulations are a little more laxed.

Some of the best guys I knew in the Marines were Corpsman, hands down.

Slindsay08
04-24-2007, 15:16
My hats off to the Corpsman as well, but i think i didnt type what i ment, id much rather be a grunt.