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Suburban
04-12-2008, 00:17
Obviously reliability is the reason, but I doubt many going out of their way to buy a custom 6" slide for their 10mm GLOCK would be shooting creampuff loads. Why bother with a velocity increasing extended slide if you want softer loads? You could do that with a shorter, stock barrel.
And if the low-velocity low-pressure .45 ACP six inch slides were fine with the extra weight, I'm certain any decent 10mm round would cycle the longslide just fine.

Actually, I wanted a 5.5" G20 slide for running just-barely-major .40SW loads in USPSA Limited and minor in IDPA ESP division. The G20 that I tried out with FBI Lite loads had a fairly mild recoil compared to the .40SW small frame Glocks, and I've got this model 21 in the safe collecting dust.

I think I am actually for the cut-out, if only to reduce hassles at IDPA matches. It might be mistaken as a G35, and there should be less quarrels about supposed rules against it.

Why a longslide for soft loads? The longer sight radius helps with calling shots.

saspic
04-12-2008, 06:53
Yeah, I can see the practicality of a 5.X" IDPA gun the same weight as a stock 4.6" G20. I might buy one myself, if only to complete the set.

But the 6" full longslide should meet the wishes of the hardcore, dedicated, 10mm speed freaks who created the demand for this project years ago and have waited (mostly) patiently.

...and we want a solid, heavy, chunk of steel. Please?

DaGroaner
04-12-2008, 13:44
Well he needs to pay closer attention to his market.

10mm shooters are not your average schmo. Anyone shooting Hydra-Shoks in their custom 6" upper deserves stoppages.

Aside from the weight problem, the cutout is a HUGE, MONSTROUS ****up from a sights standpoint. Even Trij fronts hang over on 17Ls, TFOs? Fuggetabout it.

I was planning on getting 2 or 3 of them, but with the cutout? I may get one, depending on how kludged the front sight mounting turns out to be. If the sights are protected, a cutout slide with a 24C style barrel would be pretty damn cool... otherwise? meh... at best.

My plan from the beginning was to put TFO's on my new heavy 6" longslide. I was a little bummed about the weight issue but now there's a possibility of not being able to use TFOs also? Suddenly I'm not feeling it anymore. :(

dwebb210
04-12-2008, 13:47
My plan from the beginning was to put TFO's on my new heavy 6" longslide. :(

I have three new TFOs I bought specifically for the 3 G20L slides I intended
to buy. Looks like I jumped the gun, so to speak.

Tacticalweapon
04-13-2008, 01:17
I have three new TFOs I bought specifically for the 3 G20L slides I intended
to buy. Looks like I jumped the gun, so to speak.







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Tacticalweapon
04-13-2008, 01:18
I have three new TFOs I bought specifically for the 3 G20L slides I intended
to buy. Looks like I jumped the gun, so to speak.







Many of us have been terribly disappointed after having to wait so long for an Oberland type slide.

Clarkbar
04-13-2008, 07:08
Many of us have been terribly disappointed after having to wait so long for an Oberland type slide.

JR?

:dunno:

Neal
04-16-2008, 05:24
4/16/08- Anyone heard an update from Lone Wolf?

DaGroaner
04-17-2008, 12:14
:popcorn:

JR
04-17-2008, 16:17
Well here we are mid April and still no G20 long slides. I have told GT members in good faith to look for these to arrive mid December, SHOT Show in February and April 1st for sure. As you well know the time lines have come and gone. I am reluctant to provide any further time table regarding delivery because I realize I have zero control over the actual process.

I know this for sure: We produced all the other slides. These "L" series slides are a simple progression of that work. We are really working on them. They will become a reality.

DaGroaner
04-17-2008, 16:23
Well here we are mid April and still no G20 long slides. I have told GT members in good faith to look for these to arrive mid December, SHOT Show in February and April 1st for sure. As you well know the time lines have come and gone. I am reluctant to provide any further time table regarding delivery because I realize I have zero control over the actual process.

I know this for sure: We produced all the other slides. These "L" series slides are a simple progression of that work. We are really working on them. They will become a reality.

I think we all understand about what happens to time lines when it comes to new product development. I think the problem many of us are having is the weight/holes issue and which sights we'll be able to use or not. Can TFOs be properly installed on these slides or do the holes prevent this?

DavidinSA
04-19-2008, 09:15
No problem JR.
I appreciate your efforts and I hope that it all works out.
Looking forward to the day, with or without the cutout.

Thanks
David

JR
04-21-2008, 20:50
I am doing what I can to have a few 6" samples made without the holes in the slide.

I have discussed the TFO issue with HiViz extensively. They do not see the benefit of producing a shorter front sight for use in the 17L/24 & 34/35. I will work with them to produce another fiber optic design at another time.

dwebb210
04-21-2008, 21:10
I am doing what I can to have a few 6" samples made without the holes in the slide.



I know I am not alone when I say THANKS!

I know you will try them out ahead of time.
Can't wait to hear the results.

(and I can't wait to get my hands on them myself)

okent
04-21-2008, 21:42
Thanks JR. I sure hope I can get one.
I just ordered a G20 for the sole purpose to go with one of your 6" complete uppers, will be running DT 230gr WFNGC.
I am putting it on my 16 y/o son when we go to Alaska in June and the thought of an open top slide makes me nervous about reliability in the bush.
(I am carrying a Ruger Alaskan 480, His gun will be a backup)

DavidinSA
04-22-2008, 12:55
I am still good holes or not.

I could be wrong but remember that JR said "samples" "without the holes" so I would not get your hopes up on getting one.

okent,

How do you like your Alaskan?
I have been wanting to get the .454 but without shooting one I am hesitant.
Thoughts?

David

okent
04-22-2008, 17:39
Yeah, I saw the "samples" but I am still hopeful.


I just got in the 480 ammo today along with some snap caps.
I am planning on taking it out Thursday afternoon. Got some 325 gr for plinking, yep, you heard me right, plinking.
The grip is awesome, has a gell cushie thing in the thumb web to help with recoil from what I have heard.
It is just the right size to carry without wearing a hole in your hip.
Last time I carried a 44 mag with a 6" barrel. Way too long.
I will send you pm when I shoot it.

Tom H

DavidinSA
04-23-2008, 07:57
Okent,

Thanks.
Yes, with the new grip they really feel nice and are supposed to be shootable with the cushion.
I was planning on the .454 since it will shoot the .45 colt also.
In case I can't handle the .454.

Please get back with me on what you think of it.
It is not a range gun for fun shooting but I am curious to see how shootable it is for its intended purpose.

Thanks
David

P220ST
05-07-2008, 22:15
Anything new info yet?

DavidinSA
05-08-2008, 23:16
My guess will be late May.
Just a wild guess though.
Maybe more of hopeful thinking.

David

Los Suenos
05-09-2008, 10:49
I am doing what I can to have a few 6" samples made without the holes in the slide.


Thanks JR. I don't mind waiting a while longer for what I've been expecting.

seaswol
05-11-2008, 19:38
Got an e-mail from LWD. It said that the longslides would be in at the end of the month.
Chris

DavidinSA
05-12-2008, 06:19
:cool:

Neal
05-12-2008, 22:26
While we are waiting,,,,,,,,,,has anyone figured up the cost of all the parts to make the slide a complete top end? I don't want to pull any parts from the stock slide to install in the new 6" slide.

JR
05-13-2008, 12:27
I just received word the 17L, 24 and 21L slides are in transit to us now. We will have them available for inspection at the NRA Convention. Stop by the Lone Wolf booth (number 1508) if you get a chance.

Neal Internal parts for most any slide averages $80. LWD barrels start at $100

Neal
05-13-2008, 15:16
JR, thanks for the update. I'm hoping the model 20 6" slides are not far behind them.

okent
05-13-2008, 22:42
+1, got in my DT ammo yesterday.

SC-Texas
05-15-2008, 23:37
How can I get the 20L slide?

Is there a waiting list?

seaswol
05-16-2008, 01:09
no list, just wait until it is announced. First come, first served. Last word was late in the month.
Chris

Quarterbore
05-29-2008, 12:03
no list, just wait until it is announced. First come, first served. Last word was late in the month.
Chris

Another month bites the dust
And another month come, and another month gone
Another month bites the dust
Hey, I wanna buy one too
Another month bites the dust

:rofl:

okent
05-29-2008, 18:15
Great, now that song will be stuck in my head.
I just got in some more DT ammo for the future long slide:cool:

Quarterbore
05-30-2008, 11:54
Great, now that song will be stuck in my head.
I just got in some more DT ammo for the future long slide:cool:

Well let's try a full version:

Glockers walks warily down the street,
With the brim pulled way down low
Ain't no sound but the sound of his feet,
Glock 20s ready to go
Are you ready, Are you ready for this
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat
Out of the ranges no bullets rip
To the sound of the beat
Chorus

Another month bites the dust
Another month bites the dust
And another month come, and another month gone
Another month bites the dust
Hey, I wanna buy one too
Another month bites the dust

How do you think I'm going to get along,
Without you, when you're gone
You took me for everything that I had,
And left me out on my own

Are you happy, are you satisfied
How long can you stand the heat
Out of the ranges no bullets rip
To the sound of the beat
Chorus

Another month bites the dust
Another month bites the dust
Another month bites the dust
Another month bites the dust
There are plenty of ways you can hurt a man
And bring him to the ground
You can tease him
You can deny him
You can treat him bad and leave him
When he's down
But I'm ready, yes I'm ready for this
I'm waiting to buy my own
Out to the ranges I wish I could go
Repeating the sound of the beat

:tongueout: :rofl: :tongueout:

seaswol
05-30-2008, 17:20
A song about waiting for an aftermarket item!!!:wow::wow: This must be a first on GT:cool: And its GREAT!!!!:perfect10::perfect10: I just thought we were in the 7th inning stretch!!
Chris

JR
05-30-2008, 17:33
We received a few G21T slides just in time for the NRA show a couple weeks ago (Louisville KY). If you had made the show you could have fondled and drooled over them. We have decided to make a few changes to the current prototype. I expect the new improved versions to be available soon.

<img src="http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/glockm_35/LWD21Tac.jpg">

Clarkbar
05-30-2008, 18:23
We have decided to make a few changes to the current prototype. I expect the new improved versions to be available soon.

Like remove the front cocking serrations and the lightening cut in the top of the slide????

:embarassed:

ETA: Oh, and how about Glock-spec serrations on the slide?

saspic
05-31-2008, 04:41
Not, to sound ungrateful, but I'll second Clarkbar's wishes!

Neal
05-31-2008, 05:03
Not, to sound ungrateful, but I'll second Clarkbar's wishes!

Why do you want a heavier than standard slide?

Total_Recoil
05-31-2008, 07:22
We received a few G21T slides just in time for the NRA show a couple weeks ago (Louisville KY). If you had made the show you could have fondled and drooled over them. We have decided to make a few changes to the current prototype. I expect the new improved versions to be available soon.

<img src="http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/glockm_35/LWD21Tac.jpg">

T= Tactical or Titanium?:wow:

dwebb210
05-31-2008, 07:57
Why do you want a heavier than standard slide?

Lighten the slide by removing metal from the sides, like the G21; on the inside.

Cutting a hole in the top makes it unfriendly for use with TruGlo TFO sights.

Not to mention, some people suspect a heavier slide wouldn't affect reliability
with the 10mm anyway. Especially with full power loads.

seaswol
05-31-2008, 09:50
Naturally, the sooner the better BUT I am sure we all want it right on the first run and I for one will always wait from a great final product. We have all been burned with products rushed into the market before full testing and evaluation by many other manufacturers. I can say thet I have always been satisfied with anything your distribute and manufacture. So make it right and everyone will certainly be verry happy once on the market.
P.S. my wife and I agreed to give "steel" for our 35th wedding anniversary. So a 19L for her and maybe a 20 Longslide for me.:cool:
Thanks,
Chris

Clarkbar
05-31-2008, 10:23
Why do you want a heavier than standard slide?

Because part of the attraction of the longslide idea is that the heavier slide will soak up the increased recoil impulse of the 10mm round, "taming" it and making it what can be quite a hard-kicking round into a 15-shot *****cat.

I will attest the that Oberland Arms G21 slide that I have (with fitted Bar-Sto 10mm barrel) kicks the LEAST of all of my 10mm pistols (using the same, hot-loaded ammo). I want to swap a 45-cal barrel into my Oberland Arms slide and have my 10mm barrel refitted to one of JR's slides. I absolutely do not want to lose any weight if I make this swap. I want a heavy 10mm slide.

saspic
05-31-2008, 20:11
Why do you want a heavier than standard slide?
Because I want a longer than standard slide for my longer than standard barrel. Other than looks, I'm not sure what the purpose of the longer slide is if it's the exact same weight as stock.

Okay, seriously, JR, may I suggest having a few G20 Longslides with the cutouts for those who need them for competition or reloading experiments-but making most of the G20Ls heavier weight for the majority of your customers for whom even a stock G20 isn't enough and who need the maximum amount of 10 mil brute power?

-saspic (who is kind of getting excited about this again)

SC-Texas
06-01-2008, 10:34
I would like a slide without the lightning cut for My G20L.

okent
06-01-2008, 13:20
I am planning on getting one for my 20 and 21.

Suburban
06-01-2008, 15:49
T= Tactical or Titanium?:wow:

Somewhere in the dozen or so pages of this thread, the G34/G35 length slides are referred to as "T" slides, for Tactical.

I think I'm going to have to unsubscribe from this thread. Every time I see that there's a new post to the thread, I think that it's an announcement that the slides are ready for sale. :sad:

JR
06-02-2008, 11:12
Our group of rocket scientist agree on this simple fact: When we offer the 20/21 (T&L) they should be the same weight as the original slides. This way we will avoid a long list of potential problems. This "theory" is very similar to what happened with the factory 17L/34 and 24/35 slides. Our initial run of slides will have the original weight as a target goal. We will also produce a few slides without the top cut out and maybe even lacking the internal cuts. BTW: If you look closely at the pic you will notice internal "weight reduction" cuts.
FYI: Originally we were thinking of naming the slides the "L & XL". We have decided to go with "T" for Tactical and "L" for the original 17L or maybe for Coloradoglocker "Steve Lowell". I hope this is to the approval of everyone here.......

C.I.Glock
06-02-2008, 11:25
Is anyone getting one of these to put together a dedicated G20 Long Slide? I am looking to buy a Stock G20 slide. Please PM me.

Thanks!

okent
06-02-2008, 18:51
JR, Thanks for the info.

I am really looking forward to the 20 slide without the cutouts for a backwoods carry gun and a 21 with for competition.

Either way I am glad you guys are going down this road, just makes glocks that much more versatile.

Tom

Total_Recoil
06-02-2008, 21:23
Even if the weight is the same, the moment of intertia is greater, so it will reduce muzzle rise.

DaGroaner
06-03-2008, 14:01
Because I want a longer than standard slide for my longer than standard barrel. Other than looks, I'm not sure what the purpose of the longer slide is if it's the exact same weight as stock.

Okay, seriously, JR, may I suggest having a few G20 Longslides with the cutouts for those who need them for competition or reloading experiments-but making most of the G20Ls heavier weight for the majority of your customers for whom even a stock G20 isn't enough and who need the maximum amount of 10 mil brute power?

-saspic (who is kind of getting excited about this again)

Well there's the longer sight radius but that's not enough to sell me. I don't want a gaping hole in my pistol, I want to use TFOs and I want the added weight. What once seemed like a dream come true has become a big disappointment for me. :(

JR
06-03-2008, 14:24
All I can say is Glock Inc has found 2 or 3 (maybe 4 or 5 but who wants to exaggerate) customers that feel the 17L/24 and 34/35 slides are ADVANTAGEOUS. Yes these slides were also targeted to the same weight as the original 17/22 slides. This configuration seems to fill the needs of 99% of the shooters who want a longer top end.

There are a few who would like to have them with sold tops and as heavy as possible. Yes we will offer a few LWD slides this way. Stop yer belly achin'

saspic
06-04-2008, 05:01
Point taken, JR. I really do appreciate the effort it's taken to get these slides to market.
On a final belly achin' note, though, the 10 mm has a couple hundred more foot pounds to cycle the action.:nsb:
Thanks!:wavey:

HAVOC
06-04-2008, 17:23
I guess what I just don't understand is... why was this a problem all of the sudden? The Oberlands you were happy to be selling for $500 were far heavier than stock. Were they a technical support issue?

But anyway, I'm glad you changed your mind and will offer some full weight slides for we weirdos. IF the cut slides can work with at least Mep/Trij (TFO is better) night sights, I may pick one of them up, too.

Any idea on rough timetable? Are we talking a few weeks (unlikey, I know, but a guy can hope) a couple months or are we a year out here? Not trying to pin you down, just maybe do some budgeting...

DavidinSA
06-05-2008, 10:07
Not all of us are dissappointed with JR's choice to go with the what Glock has found to work.
Until someone does some extensive testing with various slide weights, various loads, bullet designs and under different environmental situations, it is hard to outguess Glock's rational for their slide weights.
I do have an Oberland slide and it is not 100% with all .45 rounds encountered although by being selective it has been.
The Oberland is far from reliable using 10mm but that is undestandable considering the breech face issue.
So, as a designer without deep pockets, the logical choice on manufacturing a slide is to follow a proven design.
Since I have access to a machine shop, it would be nice to have a closed slide and then I could remove material when and where I wanted in order to customize the slide for my application.
Not everyone has this option.

So, I want to thank JR for even taking on this project and putting up with the not so positive feedback.
Without him, we would be stuck with the limited supply of Oberland's out there which are far from reliable for the 10mm.

my 2 cents
David

M4inCA
06-05-2008, 18:38
JR - I'll take a G21 Long Slide with cutout. 5.5" please...

THANK YOU for ALL your hard work!!!

NWanner
06-11-2008, 13:00
Sounds good to me JR, a G20L upper is definitely on my list of future purchases. I'd prefer a solid slide as I'd only be shooting hot loaded ammo out of it, the plinking ammo I'd reserve for my G29. Right after I pick up a Saiga-12 and Ruger SP101 w/ 2 1/4" barrel I'm going to be searching for a nice G21 to use your G20L upper with. Rock on JR!

Clarkbar
06-17-2008, 16:41
FYI: Originally we were thinking of naming the slides the "L & XL". We have decided to go with "T" for Tactical and "L" for the original 17L or maybe for Coloradoglocker "Steve Lowell". I hope this is to the approval of everyone here.......

ColoradoGlocker was the originator of the term "G20L" and I was the one (in this thread) that designated the shorter longslides the "T" variant!! Gotta claim credit where credit is due!! :whistling:

So, any more news on the slides? I'm running out of money!! :crying:

JR
06-17-2008, 17:59
Yah sure, Clarkbar gets the bragging rights to 20T. The truth be known, Glock Inc came up with the L & T designations long before any of us printed it here on GT.

We went over a few critical dimensions again today. I am thinking it wont be long before another prototype hits the shipping department.

intheburbs
06-17-2008, 19:05
I got 500 rounds of DT ammo waiting for a G20L. Heavier slide would be better, but hey, I understand beggars can't be choosers. I already have a LWD 6" non-comped barrel on my 20C. Sorry if I'm repeating a question, but will it be flush with the long slide?

SAWMAN
06-18-2008, 05:59
Whiners,complainers,looking a "gift horse in the mouth",etc,etc. I will only buy a solid top slide for my G20. You offer those,you sold one to me,if not,oh well.

I wish the selling of the long slides,well. I'm sure they will sell. More power to ya. I will be sad that you did not make something that apealed to me. No different than the other products on the market that I choose to,or not to, purchase.

I WILL survive,my 20 will still shoot great,it will still put meat in the freezer. Heck,.......life will still go on.

BlackBelt
06-19-2008, 06:47
I'm patiently waiting the solid G20 also...

DaGroaner
06-19-2008, 08:05
I'm patiently waiting the solid G20 also...

I also. :popcorn:

Tacticalweapon
06-23-2008, 22:34
I definitely want a solid G20 longslide.

JoeSnuffy
06-25-2008, 22:12
I definitely want a solid G20 longslide.

Me too

mitchmcgee
06-25-2008, 22:51
I already have a stock weight G20 slide!

It came attached to my G20.

Quarterbore
07-01-2008, 09:18
....

and another month bites the dust....

another month came, and another month went
Another month bites the dust
Hey, I wanna buy one too
Another month bites the dust

....

VN350X10
07-05-2008, 21:01
I built an Oberland for a customer, tuned it & found a RELIABLE load for it.
Wish I haden't, now the Sun of the Beach won't sell it to me !!
Shoulda kept my mouth closed about loading data !

but at least he's happy.

uncle albert

Davis
07-06-2008, 12:49
I'm patiently waiting the solid G20 also...

I too would like that

tripton
07-06-2008, 23:34
So what is the actual hold up? Are the prototypes not working? Is the manufacturer too busy to work on them?

From what I understand, the rest of the new slides are pretty freakin good.

Patience is a virtue...but damn...its been a while.

Kobra
07-10-2008, 11:51
I was up to speed for awhile on this but I might be behind now.

Are these slides for the 20 still the 21 longslide with a modified 21-10mm barrel or are they a true 20 longslide? Are the barrels still KKM or can we use one of the other manufacturers now if it is a true 20 slide? Also are the barrels in use a fully supported barrel?

So if you placed a 20L on a G21SF frame and got some 4th gen mags you would be GTG??

I vote also for the non-lightened slide if it matters to JR.

saspic
07-10-2008, 12:06
These are for true G20 type slides with a breechface for the 10mm cartridge. You can use any 6" or greater 10mm barrel, including the GLOCK factory one.
The barrel is not included, so case support depends on which brand you get.

Some people have expressed the desire to make a G20L-SF. You would need the new mags only if your Short Frame has the ambidextrous mag catch.

See J.R.? Everyone wants the solid slide (Sorry, sorry. I just can't help myself):deadhorse:

Suburban
07-10-2008, 22:39
Perhaps JR or the manufacturer are making "enough money," and just can't be bothered with it.

Total_Recoil
07-11-2008, 06:22
Well I might CCW this thing:whistling: so lightening cuts is fine with me.

Rexx
07-11-2008, 07:11
LOL.. is that you LW longslide in 10mm or are you just happy to see me?:rofl:

saspic
07-11-2008, 08:25
Mine will be for carry! I am currently carrying a G20 with 6" barrel on my right hip and a G20 stock length on my left. Had a thread on it somewhere...

Rexx
07-11-2008, 11:03
Holy lead! The BG is going to have to hide behind some concrete to stay unperforated...

dwebb210
07-17-2008, 19:55
So when JR said "expect them by Fall" (early 2007), he meant Fall 2008?

Come on, I think we deserve some kind of update.

I've been waiting for over a year, while every other slide made it to production.

VN350X10
07-17-2008, 21:17
welcome to the club......
I've been waiting for a 17L threaded barrel for the race gun project since last Thanksgiving. It was supposed to be avaliable by Dec. 1 & it was for a Christmas present project gun !
As of today, JR said not for another 3 weeks or so.
I've given up on my own 6" G20 project.

uncle albert

nickn
07-18-2008, 02:16
I've lost interest honestly, I don't even care anymore.

Suburban
07-19-2008, 00:05
So when JR said "expect them by Fall" (early 2007), he meant Fall 2008?

Come on, I think we deserve some kind of update.

I've been waiting for over a year, while every other slide made it to production.

He just posted a reply in a Lone Wolf thread yesterday, but otherwise doesn't seem to be very active on the board.

I was hoping my last post would prompt a response, but I think he's tired of us *****in'.

I wanted to put together a Limited/ESP blaster for the summer action pistol matches. Gave up waiting, and started working on a 1911 for Lim10/SingleStack/CDP.

Still want a soft shooting G20 in .40S&W with the sight radius of a G35 though. I don't really care for the double-stack 1911s or the CZ-75 type pistols.

alwaysshootin
07-19-2008, 08:17
I've lost interest honestly, I don't even care anymore.

HELL I lost interest when I heard they were going to be 50 bucks more then the 9/40 slides were going to be.

Not to mention they were supposed to be ready last fall, and I waited, and waited, to put in an order for a slide, and 6" barrel. I needed the length to be legal to hunt whitetail here in Ohio. Come to find out the 20 shoots great with just the barrel swap. Boy am I glad I didn't spend that extra 300+!!!

dwebb210
07-19-2008, 08:27
HELL I lost interest when I heard they were going to be 50 bucks more then the 9/40 slides were going to be.

Not to mention they were supposed to be ready last fall, and I waited, and waited, to put in an order for a slide, and 6" barrel. I needed the length to be legal to hunt whitetail here in Ohio. Come to find out the 20 shoots great with just the barrel swap. Boy am I glad I didn't spend that extra 300+!!!

I wasn't so smart.

I'm sitting here with two brand new unfired G21s, two long G20 barrels,
TruGlo TFO sights, and all of the other necessary parts to make my version
of two G20L-SFs.

I can understand delays if there are production issues.
I can understand delays if they are still in the R&D phase.
But when was the last update?
It is downright disgusting.

Total_Recoil
07-19-2008, 09:56
I wasn't so smart.

I'm sitting here with two brand new unfired G21s, two long G20 barrels,
TruGlo TFO sights, and all of the other necessary parts to make my version
of two G20L-SFs.

I can understand delays if there are production issues.
I can understand delays if they are still in the R&D phase.
But when was the last update?
It is downright disgusting.

I've nagged JR about these slides on email several times. He's always been as nice and polite as can be. Especially considering how many emails he must get. Seems to me most of it is issues with his supplier. I don't think there are nicer guys in the business, I'll just sit and wait. 8 months is nothing as far as product delays go in the gun industry.

Mik
07-19-2008, 10:23
still excited and wanting the G20 longslides. sooner would be nice, but i'm a patient guy. if there is a preference, a slid slide would be my choice, but if it has the hole, i'd still take one.

JR
07-21-2008, 17:36
Well its been a long hard road for the G20/21 long slide project. I suspect our success with our barrel line and other slides has lead to the disappointment of many regarding this product. We were able to deliver the goods in months with the others, they came in fast and furious. Now this one project seems to drag on indefinitely and some may think we are dragging our feet. It was about a year ago I started letting everybody know we were hammering out a prototype 20/21 long slide. The fact that we actually received and displayed 2 prototypes in the last year don't seem to matter much to some and yet it is everything to others. The truth is, had any of you attended SHOT or NRA you would have seen them and most likely been encouraged (we are).

I have not provided any future release dates because history proves it does no good to speculate. All I can say is we expect another revised prototype to be in hand next month. Once it is in hand we will be able to forecast a delivery date.... unless it needs another modification (again). If you have the patience to wait it out, good for you. I am sure you will be satisfied with the finished product.

Mik
07-21-2008, 21:07
...we expect another revised prototype to be in hand next month..

hmmm... solid slide? here's hoping! :supergrin:

JR, i appreciate all that you have to go through to get this done. you have a definite sale of at least one slide for me!

Davis
07-21-2008, 23:21
hmmm... solid slide? here's hoping! :supergrin:

JR, i appreciate all that you have to go through to get this done. you have a definite sale of at least one slide for me!

Ditto Thanks

BlackBelt
07-22-2008, 06:25
I appreciate the update.
Gives me something to think about on these hot summer afternoons as I'm roaming through the woods...

okent
07-22-2008, 21:28
I came into this game late compared to the date on the beginning of this thread.( just got into glocks this spring )
I just got in my G34 today and it only reinforced my desire for the G20/21 long slide.
It's only time. Anyone who has dealt with NFA items understands that patience is required in this business.:cool:

Los Suenos
07-28-2008, 07:10
I'm over it. I've got a 29 for carry, a 20 for hiking and a 6.5" 610 for hunting. My boobs smell.

Quarterbore
07-28-2008, 08:29
March, April, May, June, July.... :whistling:

Perhaps Christmass in 2009?

I have not give up yet but it is looking pretty clear that a Glock 20 longslide or the people that would like to buy one are not a high priority :crying:

I am glad to see updates as it gives me hope and I am posting to make it clear I really do want one...

TurboRocket
08-03-2008, 10:57
tagging...

alwaysshootin
08-03-2008, 20:22
tagging...

Why?:dunno: These were supposed to be ready for last years hunting season! I guess the twelfth of never will come eventually.

EddieMossberg
08-12-2008, 23:34
I'll be buying one 6" for my g20 whenever they become available, thank you JR! I've always been happy with your products and I think a 6" g20 will be worth the wait!

ampdog
08-13-2008, 12:58
I intend to get a 6" slide for my G20 as well. I spoke to Dan at LWD on the phone yesterday and he didn't give specifics, but said they should be any day now. I can't wait, the new slide has a large selection of alternate caliber barrels that will fit it too. :cheers:

SC-Texas
08-14-2008, 21:15
I'm waiting for the G20L slide & the threaded 17L barrel.

No joy on either.

VN350X10
08-14-2008, 21:20
I've been waiting for a threaded 17-L barrel since LAST Thanksgiving.....
The race gun it's for was going to be a Christmas present....
Maybe for THIS year.

uncle albert....:dunno:

leadslinger13
09-04-2008, 14:34
i am totally disappointed LWD. I had been waiting for a stock g20 barrel for 5 months. I checked with them at least twice a month and was continually promise a barrel in a few weeks etc. finally about 3 weeks ago i had on of the sales reps talk to the boss who replied that it was indefinite. Wish they could have let me know that 5 months ago. Now I can't find a LWD stock barrel anywhere.

.45Super-Man
09-06-2008, 17:37
My desire for a 6 inch G20 LS isnt dead, it just smells funny.:tongueout:

alwaysshootin
09-07-2008, 21:49
Wait for it, wait for it, nevermind!

JR
09-07-2008, 22:26
We have 1500 barrel in route to us now. Expect them to be available in 10 days. They include:
17L standard & threaded.
G20 10mm standard, ported six inch and threaded, also 9mm.
G23 40 standard and XL length, also 9mm standard
G27 standard and 9mm standard & ported
G30 ported and threaded
G35 9mm threaded

The next slide to arrive will be the G21 Tactical (5.32) total 100 pcs. We expect them 9/26
The G21L, 17L & 24 should be available 10/10 total 100 pcs each.
The G20T and G20L will be delayed. I do not know exact dates but can tell you they are closer now than they ever have been.

NWanner
09-08-2008, 00:15
Any progress is good progress they say. Any news on the G29L (G20 slide on a G29)?

Clarkbar
09-08-2008, 21:38
The next slide to arrive will be the G21 Tactical (5.32) total 100 pcs. We expect them 9/26

Will you have a purpose-made barrel for this slide, or should be just order the 6" barrel and have it cut?

Will the G21T/21L slides have the lightening cuts to deal with the lower recoil impulse of 45 ACP?


The G20T and G20L will be delayed. I do not know exact dates but can tell you they are closer now than they ever have been.

Is this because of us complaining about the holes in the slides? :whistling:

Thanks for checking back in and giving us an update!!

JR
09-09-2008, 10:21
The 5.32 barrels may not be immediately available. On the other hand we could always chop a six inch.

The first slides will have the cut out. I have a special run for solid slides.

The G20 delay has nothing to do with the cut out, it just the way the situations fell in place.

Clarkbar
09-09-2008, 10:56
The 5.32 barrels may not be immediately available. On the other hand we could always chop a six inch.

The first slides will have the cut out. I have a special run for solid slides.

The G20 delay has nothing to do with the cut out, it just the way the situations fell in place.

Thanks, JR! :supergrin:

Glad to hear that everything is finally starting to fall into place.

leadslinger13
09-09-2008, 12:40
Update:

ordered storm lake from TGSCOM 9/5 just got email it has been shipped today 9/9. Now thats customer serivce. finally


Cudos to TGSCOM








i am totally disappointed LWD. I had been waiting for a stock g20 barrel for 5 months. I checked with them at least twice a month and was continually promise a barrel in a few weeks etc. finally about 3 weeks ago i had on of the sales reps talk to the boss who replied that it was indefinite. Wish they could have let me know that 5 months ago. Now I can't find a LWD stock barrel anywhere.

saspic
09-10-2008, 16:43
Thank you for the update! I thought the G20L was next...:crying:...but it's good to see progress. Lone Wolf is putting together quite the lineup of slides and uppers.

87'vette
09-10-2008, 17:50
The G21T sounds tempting.....:whistling:

okent
09-10-2008, 21:57
yes it does.
Now do I get the 21T or wait for the 21L.
Crap

Clarkbar
09-12-2008, 14:05
yes it does.
Now do I get the 21T or wait for the 21L.
Crap

I have an Oberland Arms G21 long slide with a conversion 10mm Bar-Sto barrel. So my choices are:

1) Wait for LWD G20L slide, have Bar-Sto 10mm barrel fitted down to the G20L slide, and get new 45ACP barrel for G21L slide . . . and forgo getting a T-length slide.

2) Get G21T slide and barrel . . . and forgo the option above.

What I really want is a fully array of G20L, G20T, G21L, and G21T . . . with dedicated frames for each!!!!

:wow:

nickE10mm
09-12-2008, 14:35
I have an Oberland Arms G21 long slide with a conversion 10mm Bar-Sto barrel. So my choices are:

1) Wait for LWD G20L slide, have Bar-Sto 10mm barrel fitted down to the G20L slide, and get new 45ACP barrel for G21L slide . . . and forgo getting a T-length slide.

2) Get G21T slide and barrel . . . and forgo the option above.

What I really want is a fully array of G20L, G20T, G21L, and G21T . . . with dedicated frames for each!!!!

:wow:

You could also get yourself a 6" .45ACP barrel and shoot .45 Super from it until the dedicated 10mm slide comes out... :)

Rexx
09-12-2008, 16:40
You could also get yourself a 6" .45ACP barrel and shoot .45 Super from it until the dedicated 10mm slide comes out... :)

Nick, I have been thinking of going this route as well. What barrel would you recommend and where could I get .45 super from? Is there a good website on the .45 Super?

J

nickE10mm
09-12-2008, 18:37
Nick, I have been thinking of going this route as well. What barrel would you recommend and where could I get .45 super from? Is there a good website on the .45 Super?

J

I would go with one of only TWO choices on the 45 barrel: KKM or Storm Lake. As far as i'm concerned, there are no other viable AND cost effective manufacturers. I would probable go with KKM since I've dealt with Kevin there and he's a great guy to deal with.

I believe you can still get 45 Super from Buffalo Bore ammo.

Before you do any of this, make sure you have extra power mag springs from Wolff.

Tacticalweapon
09-21-2008, 22:54
I would go with one of only TWO choices on the 45 barrel: KKM or Storm Lake. As far as i'm concerned, there are no other viable AND cost effective manufacturers. I would probable go with KKM since I've dealt with Kevin there and he's a great guy to deal with.

I believe you can still get 45 Super from Buffalo Bore ammo.

Before you do any of this, make sure you have extra power mag springs from Wolff.



What about the well known problem of 40 Super cartridges nose diving inside of magwells and then being unable to feed?

ampdog
09-23-2008, 14:44
Anyone know where you could purchase an Oberland slide?

Also, I saw somewhere that a guy have a G20 Long Slide made by a company called Cobra (KKM barrel). Has anyone had experience with those or know where they can be purchased?

Rexx
09-23-2008, 15:48
Thanks Nick


I would go with one of only TWO choices on the 45 barrel: KKM or Storm Lake. As far as i'm concerned, there are no other viable AND cost effective manufacturers. I would probable go with KKM since I've dealt with Kevin there and he's a great guy to deal with.

I believe you can still get 45 Super from Buffalo Bore ammo.

Before you do any of this, make sure you have extra power mag springs from Wolff.

Quarterbore
10-17-2008, 12:49
Yawn.... Guess no news time to sleep another month or two.

nickE10mm
10-17-2008, 12:53
What about the well known problem of 40 Super cartridges nose diving inside of magwells and then being unable to feed?

I'm not sure what this has to do with my post ... :headscratch: Am I missing something about your question, sir?

VN350X10
10-17-2008, 12:55
Well, some of the stuff we've been waiting for is in, I got my 17L threaded barrel & G34 slide & red'd. notice that some new 10MM barrels ARE in stock.
Drop JR an email. Might be worth a check !

uncle albert

M4inCA
10-23-2008, 19:19
Need to keep this alive.

Any good news JR?

JR
10-23-2008, 19:39
Received some 5.32 G21 slides (Tactical). There are a few issues we are working on. If we resolve them this weekend they will be available late next week.

Viesczy
10-23-2008, 20:54
Jr,
Awesome!

Any idea on how these slides are going to work on a Glock 20/21 frame that is an easy 13 years old. My Glock 20 is def a teenager by now, pre-FGR.

Derek

JR
10-23-2008, 21:03
If there is an issue it will be with the trigger bar & trigger components. The fix will be as easy as changing out the parts to current production

dwebb210
10-24-2008, 04:44
Please refresh my memory.

The "tactical" slide is what? Is that 5.32 inches long?

How long is the "long slide"?

saspic
10-24-2008, 05:26
The tactical slides accommodate 5.32" barrels.
The longslides accommodate 6" barrels.

Dern. Looks like the extended 10mm slides really are going to be the very last ones out.

M4inCA
10-24-2008, 19:20
Received some 5.32 G21 slides (Tactical). There are a few issues we are working on. If we resolve them this weekend they will be available late next week.

Now I'm hoping to stimulate the economy upon good news from JR.

Looking to purchase -

G21 tactical slide
G21 tactical barrel

Can't wait for the good news!!!

JR
10-27-2008, 21:47
Played with the first modified 21T slide today. Looks like we will be able to offer them next week. I should know for sure by Friday.

Clarkbar
11-02-2008, 21:24
Played with the first modified 21T slide today. Looks like we will be able to offer them next week. I should know for sure by Friday.

:whistling:

Please don't tease us, JR!

JR
11-02-2008, 22:20
I expect the G21T to be available this week. I will be attending the Tulsa Gun Show this weekend and will have several on-hand. If you are in the area please stop by. If not, you can always order one on the web.

dwebb210
11-03-2008, 03:47
I expect the G21T to be available this week. I will be attending the Tulsa Gun Show this weekend and will have several on-hand. If you are in the area please stop by. If not, you can always order one on the web.

Are there problems with the G20L that is holding things up?

JR
11-03-2008, 12:12
We had a few issues with the slides we received in May. We made the corrections and the G21 slides are the first to roll out. If all goes as expected we should have the G20 slides very soon.

okent
11-03-2008, 19:55
I will be at the Tulsa Show with cash in hand.

Suburban
11-08-2008, 23:47
I see the 21T slide is up on the Lone Wolf home page.

Neofyte
11-12-2008, 13:34
question,why is the muzzle profile not like the G34 and how much for it in black.Thanks.

SDGlock23
11-12-2008, 13:41
JR, this may have been asked a blue million times before, but I was curious if you ever planned to offer a 45-10mm conversion barrel and possibly a 45 Gap conversion barrel for the Glock 30 and 21?

Tacticalweapon
11-12-2008, 15:24
With the Obama coronation on January 20th, don't expect to see much in the way of guns or their parts ever again.

BlackBelt
11-13-2008, 16:04
I'll still wait for the G20 long slide with great anticipation. Wish it could be here by this hunting season, but it not, that's okay.
Even if it never materializes, I'm not out anything more than I am right now.

Hey, I was just curious, has anyone here read ALL 380+ responses to this thread?

alwaysshootin
11-13-2008, 16:51
They should be available by Rocktober!!!!!! Perfect for deer season!

I wrote this August of 2007! Needless to say I didn't have the longslide for my 20 last year, and won't have it for this year either. :crying:

Suburban
11-14-2008, 01:02
Hey, I was just curious, has anyone here read ALL 380+ responses to this thread?

I think so. I've had a lot of time. :whistling: :wavey:

SAWMAN
11-14-2008, 05:12
I'm pretty much disinterested after all this time and all these "maybe's,could be's,and kinda's".

I could be "lined up" to buy a 7", long slide, AMT Javalina. Yeah,I know, but it's a 10mm without the "it's coming one day" stuff attached.

Los Suenos
11-15-2008, 05:38
Just want to remind everyone here that this is a much better gun if you're buying it for hunting or long range plinking. Way more accurate and all kinds of scopes and red dots can be mounted. I have one and it will out shoot any Glock any day. 6.5" of barrel, not 4 3/4" like a 6" Glock barrel.


http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=65064&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y

dwebb210
11-15-2008, 08:30
Just want to remind everyone here that this is a much better gun if you're buying it for hunting or long range plinking. Way more accurate and all kinds of scopes and red dots can be mounted. I have one and it will out shoot any Glock any day. 6.5" of barrel, not 4 3/4" like a 6" Glock barrel.


http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=65064&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y

Apples and oranges.

I have a 44 magnum. More powerful, and still only 6 shots.

The reason for wanting a G20L is because of the higher capacity magazine,
and the power that goes along with the 10mm.

A 10mm 6-gun is an answer to a question I never asked.

VN350X10
11-16-2008, 19:10
The second question......

WHERE are you going to find one.
Ask a S&W dealer & all you get is a dazed, blank stare...."A WHAT ? S&W doesn't make a gun like that"
The response I got from a rather LARGE firearms dealer in northern IL. One that sells a LOT of S&W firearms.
(I've had my 610, 6 1/2" for many years, use it for deer hunting because the People's Republik of Daley prohibits semi-auto pistols for deer hunting)

uncle albert

Los Suenos
11-16-2008, 19:36
Apples and oranges.

I have a 44 magnum. More powerful, and still only 6 shots.

The reason for wanting a G20L is because of the higher capacity magazine,
and the power that goes along with the 10mm.

A 10mm 6-gun is an answer to a question I never asked.


It shoot's 40 S&W without a $1-200 barrel. Maybe a question you never asked but another benefit many guy's who don't own .40's also do ask. It will also shoot circles around a Glock which is all that really matters in a hunting handgun. SA with a 10# rebound spring is pretty nice for hunting.

I have a 629 or two also and I agree, it's lighter in the same barrel length and more powerful. I started on auto's and would probably never know how great revolvers were if not for the 610. Another great thing is Glocks are chambered in it unlike 44mag. Kind of nice not picking up brass once in a while. I was shooting at 16oz. water bottles @ 60 yards today with my 610 and rarely missed. Way easier shooting than a 357mag L frame. :poke:

.45Super-Man
11-17-2008, 14:30
I'd have to admit that a 10mm six shooter is something I'd have little to no interest in. A .357mag. wheelgun would do most everything a 10mm revolver will. When you cut the firepower advantage from the equation, I'd feel just as well armed with a .357 or better yet a .41 mag. wheelgun. The G20 can't be beat at the horsepower/firepower game however.

JR
11-17-2008, 20:27
We bull nosed a few of the G21T slides. They look and function awesome! The G21L (six inchers) are in transit to LWD now, should be available for delivery by Thanksgiving.

G20 slides will follow soon......

bryceban
11-17-2008, 20:38
JR, this may have been asked a blue million times before, but I was curious if you ever planned to offer a 45-10mm conversion barrel

I have asked this question numerous times before and never got an answer, looks like our only choice is KKM.

JR
11-17-2008, 20:43
We have found the 45-10 conversions will run about 95% (+) reliable. Unfortunately we do not feel this is good enough. We sold a lot of these barrels and fielded a lot of complaints. There is not enough money in the sale to level out the work involved. We do not offer the barrels anymore. We refer all sales directly to KKM.

Its a great idea if you are willing to tinker with it. If your not..... don't bother.

beerswimmer
11-17-2008, 22:29
G20 slides will follow soon......

:upeyes:

bryceban
11-18-2008, 13:51
We have found the 45-10 conversions will run about 95% (+) reliable. Unfortunately we do not feel this is good enough. We sold a lot of these barrels and fielded a lot of complaints. There is not enough money in the sale to level out the work involved. We do not offer the barrels anymore. We refer all sales directly to KKM.

Its a great idea if you are willing to tinker with it. If your not..... don't bother.

Thanks for answering! I figured the reliability was the main issue. Although I am willing to accept +/- 95% reliability. It's just to bad I have to pay around $200 for that +/- 95%. I guess I will have to finally give KKM a try now.:dunno:

NoJoy
11-19-2008, 03:46
JR is the G21T slide available "bull nosed" as an option? I see on the LWD site that the slide is offered; how much for the entire upper? I emailed KKM and they said they would cut the barrel to 5.32" so the barrel issue is solved.

JR
11-19-2008, 09:48
We have G21T slides with the standard nose and a bull nose. Your choice! We also have 5.32 barrels..... there never was a problem?

Quarterbore
11-19-2008, 10:01
I assume we won't see this until after the 2nd anniversary of this thread. It's hard to imagine this much interest in a product for going on two years and yet it is still a product that nobody can buy.

How hard can it be to understand that this is a product that does not exist AND it is a logical product that people want to buy?

Seems crazy to me :crying:

JR
11-19-2008, 11:39
The 21T & 21L are a reality. The 20T & 20L will soon become reality.

The 20 series slides were first on the list for production however are/were delayed. This is because the first runs of the 20 slides showed need for improvement.
The 21 series slides were second for production however easiest to modify using the information gathered from the 20 prototypes. They were indeed modified and run. This is why they are now first.

Are you confused? Then stop trying to understand and go to your room and pout! You will never understand production problems!

I am amazed at the number of complaints regarding "wait time". If Lone Wolf had not taken on this project from the beginning (read: all the way back to the original G21 six inch slide from Oberland) this reality (G21T, 21L, 20T, 20L) would only be a CONCEPT!

Clarkbar
11-19-2008, 11:44
JR is the G21T slide available "bull nosed" as an option? I see on the LWD site that the slide is offered; how much for the entire upper? I emailed KKM and they said they would cut the barrel to 5.32" so the barrel issue is solved.

JR,

Could we get pix of the bull-nose G21T slide?

Also, will you be offering the 20L slides with the bull-nose treatment?

Thanks!

Quarterbore
11-19-2008, 14:04
Are you confused? Then stop trying to understand and go to your room and pout! You will never understand production problems!



Let's see, two years and I will assume your company takes say 15-days off a year. That would be 490 working days or 3920-open business hours when this project could have been promoted. My point is that there clearly is interest in this product and during this time this product could have been developed if it was a priority and the assumption has to be that this is not a priority of your company.

Sure, production problems happen but in 2-years time I dare say a company with proper tools like you have could make something like this.

The Glock 21 longslides are great but we are in this thread as most of us here really want a Glock 20 longslide which as I said is still a product that has never been made and it is the the reason many of us faithfully check this thread month after month for an update and hope that these will be made and sold.

You are frustrated from the harrasment as we say time and time again we want these, we are frustrated as we want this product so baddly and their clearly is not a priority to bring these to market!

I am here as I want to buy but my confidence sure is not solid that I will see it.

NoJoy
11-19-2008, 14:52
Thanks JR! :cool:

saspic
11-19-2008, 15:52
I'm still on board. But to just steel myself, which is meant to come out first, the G20L slides or the G20T slides? I believe I am up for both either way.

Los Suenos
11-19-2008, 16:33
I'm not dissing LWD because I have dealt with JR personally on the phone and they do have good service. What I want to know is why LWD 10mm barrels are $15 more than any other caliber barrel? Is it because you know Glock 10mm chambers are sloppy and more 10mm shooters reload than shooters of other calibers? Is it because this thread is two years old and one way or another you'll get back at us for complaining? Just wondering why we are forced to pay a premium is all. Thanks for enlightening me and other 10 Ringers.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=4868

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=4815

VN350X10
11-19-2008, 18:46
I put together one of the 45/10 conversions for a customer, lots of messing around & tuning, lots of load tinkering as far as oal, etc. which changes with bullet shape, weight & nose configuration.
Only thing I never changed was the spring weight, as the customer wanted a semi auto he could hunt hogs & deer with, so ALL loads were high end.
The gun shoots at an acceptable level of reliability (98+%) so it's O.K. for hunting, but for CCW, he shoots & carries a mostly stock G20.
Double Tap ammo gave us the fewest problems in the longslide compared to any other factory ammo. Wish I would have had a batch of OLD Norma 200 gr. for comparison, I think that they would approach 100% in the conversion.

uncle albert

Mik
11-19-2008, 20:38
still looking forward to buying both slide configurations! thanks JR!

Davis
11-19-2008, 21:50
JR

I too am looking forward to the G20L and G20T
I have 2 G20's that would love some accessories for

Question..on your webpage it states for the FGR frames (aka 3rd gen)

Why not the non FGR (aka 2nd gen lowers )?

BlackBelt
11-21-2008, 06:38
Thanks JR. I appreciate the update. I owned my own manufacturing business for awhile, so I know production/R&D issues can be a hassle. I appreciate your doing what you do.
Thanks again.

.45Super-Man
11-21-2008, 11:32
Regardless of the wait, I'll be ordering a complete G20L upper. I'd be willing to bet that those who've cursed and sworn the most, will be the first ones to order theirs.:cool:

SC-Texas
11-22-2008, 00:36
I'm still patiently waiting!

ampdog
11-23-2008, 17:38
Forgive me if I missed this from earlier in the thread, but will the G20L slide be available without the open top (compensated)?

saspic
11-24-2008, 17:34
Well, that's been a topic of debate. JR says it's necessary to ensure reliability with softer loads. Some of us have countered that anyone who wanted softer loads would already be shooting a G24 or G35, but it seems most of the slides will have the cutout.
He's hinted that a few might not for us blowhards (guilty as charged! ;))

Quarterbore
11-25-2008, 13:32
And I expect if they announce they have 20 without the cut and 200 with the cut their phones will ring off the hook from those of us that do not want the lightened slide while they others will stay in inventory for a while.

I know I have no interested in a chop-top G-20 Longslide :cool:

jp3975
11-25-2008, 15:39
Just want to remind everyone here that this is a much better gun if you're buying it for hunting or long range plinking. Way more accurate and all kinds of scopes and red dots can be mounted. I have one and it will out shoot any Glock any day. 6.5" of barrel, not 4 3/4" like a 6" Glock barrel.


http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=65064&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y

For that price I'd rather get a .500

Los Suenos
11-25-2008, 22:44
For that price I'd rather get a .500


The ammo cost is insane if you reload or not. I'd get a BMG before I bought a .500. Neither is worth **it for my needs. I've got plenty of 44's. To me, 41's are a joke as is anything over a 44. I like 357's and 10mm's. To each his own I suppose. 500's are pretty worthless IMO. Have fun with your's.

DavidinSA
11-26-2008, 18:03
I appreciate what JR has done for us.
My life has been in research, prototype development, reverse engineering, NASA, military etc. and it always amazed me how the individuals with the least experience knew the most about how long it should take to develop an item or to build a product.
My hat is off to JR for even attempting to supply me with a product that I would like when no one else has. It will save me a ton of time and money since I was already halfway through the drawings to manufacture my own slide when he announced the project.
I am happy to wait for the savings in time.

Thanks JR.

David

jp3975
11-26-2008, 18:08
The ammo cost is insane if you reload or not. I'd get a BMG before I bought a .500. Neither is worth **it for my needs. I've got plenty of 44's. To me, 41's are a joke as is anything over a 44. I like 357's and 10mm's. To each his own I suppose. 500's are pretty worthless IMO. Have fun with your's.


I dont have one...I just meant that for the price on the revolver you mentioned I'd rather get the .500. I guess I'm just a sucker for the most powerful production handgun in the world;p They're not worthless though. If you're hunting large game it would be fairly useful.

Clarkbar
11-26-2008, 18:19
And I expect if they announce they have 20 without the cut and 200 with the cut their phones will ring off the hook from those of us that do not want the lightened slide while they others will stay in inventory for a while.

I know I have no interested in a chop-top G-20 Longslide :cool:

Q, you and I are on the same sheet of music. I don't care if I need to go into hock, I will have one of the full-weight G20L slides from JR!!

Once I have that slide, I'm going to have my Oberland Arms slide given the ARS "nose job" and engraved with Glock 21L AUSTRIA 45 Auto and my frame's S/N (with the S/N on the KKM barrel as well).

I will have to get my Bar-Sto 10mm barrel fitted down to fit the LW G20L slide, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem . . . then, I'll need to get another G20/21 frame for the new slide!

ampdog
11-27-2008, 19:22
Well, that's been a topic of debate. JR says it's necessary to ensure reliability with softer loads. Some of us have countered that anyone who wanted softer loads would already be shooting a G24 or G35, but it seems most of the slides will have the cutout.
He's hinted that a few might not for us blowhards (guilty as charged! ;))

Yeah, I don't want the cutout model either. I guess I will join the scramble for the solids when they come in.:supergrin:

okent
11-28-2008, 17:13
I have decided I will take whatever I can get.
Sold slide is my first choice followed by the cutout.
I will also be getting one of the G21T slides too.
Any recommendations on a barrel?
I am going to use the 20L for hunting so I would like something very accurate.
I shoot quite a bit and right now I am more accurate than the barrel in my G20.

SAWMAN
11-29-2008, 06:37
Take whatever you can get huh ??

Laws of supply and demend might work in this case. Demand a solid slide and they just might supply you one.

The people that don't care will be delivered whatever the supplier wants you to have.

I want a solid slide. I will only buy a solid slide(maybe). I will not settle for what they want me to have.

But............it's been so long now...AND... my G20 using a OEM,6" bbl,shoots so good,I am getting kinda disinterested about the whole thing.:dunno:

VN350X10
11-29-2008, 14:42
Instead of grousing about the slide, how about this:
If you get an open top slide, TiG weld a filler pc into it & refinish the slide.
Then juggle spring rates/ammo energy to make it reliable.
Problem solved, unique firearm & custom loading data all in one.

uncle albert

roknjs
11-29-2008, 18:05
I want a 6" slide with a 6" barrel as well. Thanks to JR for taking this on.

Help those of us that are more ignorant.... What are the advantages/disadvantages of a cut out vs. no cut out? Are we just talking about compensation for recoil?

Quarterbore
11-29-2008, 19:13
Instead of grousing about the slide, how about this:
If you get an open top slide, TiG weld a filler pc into it & refinish the slide.
Then juggle spring rates/ammo energy to make it reliable.
Problem solved, unique firearm & custom loading data all in one.

uncle albert

If I was interested in that much effort I would look at a cnc machine shop that could just make these and sell them :upeyes:

NWanner
11-30-2008, 12:23
I want a 6" slide with a 6" barrel as well. Thanks to JR for taking this on.

Help those of us that are more ignorant.... What are the advantages/disadvantages of a cut out vs. no cut out? Are we just talking about compensation for recoil?
Non-cut out slides were showing cycling issues using weaker ammo.

roknjs
11-30-2008, 12:25
Non-cut out slides were showing cycling issues using weaker ammo.

Thanks. I want mine for hunting backup and plan on carrying some potent stuff, so I guess non-cutout will be my 1st choice. I don't really care for the compensated slides, but if that is all I can get, I'll probably get one.

JR
12-01-2008, 10:29
I just returned from a Deer hunting trip. I found a "Big 'ol box of 21L's" in my shipping room. Hopefully we will be able to get them up on the web this week. I will be attending the SAR Show in Phoenix this weekend. We will be located in the machine gun building right next to my good friends at Gemtech. If you are able please accept my personal invitation to stop by and see the new slides.

FYI This question keeps coming up: The cut out on the top of the slide has NOTHING to do with compensation. This cut out has EVERYTHING to do with reliability. We cut out the top and use internal lighting cuts to reduce the overall weight of the slide. Lighter slides tend to cycle more reliably when using standard or light ammunition. A light slide (in this case) will stand up to the hottest loads and also function on light loads. You get the best of both worlds.
I plan to offer a few solid slides because of the special requests received here on GT. I have shot several of these solids and personally feel the cut out slides are a better deal for all around use.

Tacticalweapon
12-01-2008, 13:56
I just returned from a Deer hunting trip. I found a "Big 'ol box of 21L's" in my shipping room. Hopefully we will be able to get them up on the web this week. I will be attending the SAR Show in Phoenix this weekend. We will be located in the machine gun building right next to my good friends at Gemtech. If you are able please accept my personal invitation to stop by and see the new slides.

FYI This question keeps coming up: The cut out on the top of the slide has NOTHING to do with compensation. This cut out has EVERYTHING to do with reliability. We cut out the top and use internal lighting cuts to reduce the overall weight of the slide. Lighter slides tend to cycle more reliably when using standard or light ammunition. A light slide (in this case) will stand up to the hottest loads and also function on light loads. You get the best of both worlds.
I plan to offer a few solid slides because of the special requests received here on GT. I have shot several of these solids and personally feel the cut out slides are a better deal for all around use.


Maybe I'll get to meet you this weekend. It may be the last show of its kind.

TW

saspic
12-01-2008, 17:44
<snip>
I plan to offer a few solid slides because of the special requests received here on GT. I have shot several of these solids and personally feel the cut out slides are a better deal for all around use.
Thanks JR! Rest assured, though, my slide will not see all around use as I only use full power ammo.:whistling:

okent
12-02-2008, 16:07
No suggestions for a 6" barrel maker?

JR
12-02-2008, 16:15
Plenty of six inch g20 barrels here
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Search.aspx?TERM=lwd-20

okent
12-02-2008, 16:52
Thanks JR.

I completed my order for one of the 21T's right now and the only think you don't have on your site is a dang extractor!

I came by your table at the Tulsa gun show and looked at the slides then. I was thinking about the 21L but decided to get the tactical for competition and hold out for the 20L for hunting.

Tom

Bringsteen
12-04-2008, 10:26
On a recoil-operated pistol like the G20, it is primarily NOT the recoil spring that keeps the brass in battery while the bullet is traveling down the barrel. It is the mass of the slide. The inertia of the slide (coupled with the friction between the brass and the chamber walls) keeps the brass from being ejected until the pressure in the barrel drops to a safe level.

Although non fully supported chambers (coupled with reckless reloaders) cause some of the KB's we hear about, many are cause by the brass being pulled out of battery too early.

The full-weight 6" slide largely eliminates the problem of brass being pulled out of battery too early. You do have to commit to using full-power ammunition. I am certainly fine with that. My plan is to build a woods gun with the velocity advantage of a 6" barrel, the sight radius of a 6" slide, and the safety advantage of a full-weight 6" slide. The full-weight slide should also lengthen the recoil curve a little bit, which should improve follow-up shots.

Clarkbar
12-04-2008, 17:12
JR has the G21L slides (http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=4941) up on the LWD website. I think they look great with the "nose job" treatment!!

Great work, JR!!

Now, get those G20L slides in!!!!!!!!!

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/images/products/LWD-SLIDE21L.jpg

ETA: Hey, JR, how about adding the "nose job" to the G21T slides?!?

.45Super-Man
12-05-2008, 04:08
On a recoil-operated pistol like the G20, it is primarily NOT the recoil spring that keeps the brass in battery while the bullet is traveling down the barrel. It is the mass of the slide. The inertia of the slide (coupled with the friction between the brass and the chamber walls) keeps the brass from being ejected until the pressure in the barrel drops to a safe level.

Although non fully supported chambers (coupled with reckless reloaders) cause some of the KB's we hear about, many are cause by the brass being pulled out of battery too early.

The full-weight 6" slide largely eliminates the problem of brass being pulled out of battery too early. You do have to commit to using full-power ammunition. I am certainly fine with that. My plan is to build a woods gun with the velocity advantage of a 6" barrel, the sight radius of a 6" slide, and the safety advantage of a full-weight 6" slide. The full-weight slide should also lengthen the recoil curve a little bit, which should improve follow-up shots.
Recoil operated is not the same as blowback.

Bringsteen
12-05-2008, 07:23
Recoil operated is not the same as blowback.

I realize that there is a distinction between recoil-operated and blowback actions. The above analysis applies to recoil-operated actions, such as the one employed in the G20.

.45Super-Man
12-08-2008, 13:05
I realize that there is a distinction between recoil-operated and blowback actions. The above analysis applies to recoil-operated actions, such as the one employed in the G20.The friction of the brass in the chamber has nothing to do with keeping the breech closed on a recoil operated pistol. It's a combination of the geometry of lock-up, recoil spring and the mass of the slide(for the Glock). In the case of more "conventional" pistols with an exposed hammer, the mainspring also becomes a factor since it must be cocked as the slide moves rearward. The main reason for Glock "kabooms" in my opinion, is installing light recoil springs. As the striker is cocked by the cruciform, it attempts to draw the slide out of battery which naturally means that it's being resisted by the recoil spring. So it stands to follow that if the slide is drawn just a few MM's out of battery(along with the unsupported area at the top of the feedramp), then that much of the case will thus be unsupported upon ignition.

Bringsteen
12-08-2008, 21:22
The friction of the brass in the chamber has nothing to do with keeping the breech closed on a recoil operated pistol.

This is categorically false. The friction of the brass in the chamber does have to do with keeping the breech closed on a recoil-operated pistol. The other factors you wrote are also relevant, and in most instances more relevant than brass/chamber friction when chamber pressures are high. But it remains the case that brass chamber friction has an effect.

.45Super-Man
12-09-2008, 01:43
This is categorically false. The friction of the brass in the chamber does have to do with keeping the breech closed on a recoil-operated pistol. The other factors you wrote are also relevant, and in most instances more relevant than brass/chamber friction when chamber pressures are high. But it remains the case that brass chamber friction has an effect. Well if that's the case we should put a weather vane on our slides to make sure which way the winds blowing, since it has an effect. So now that we know what "effect" brass cases have, what about steel or even aluminum??:whistling:

Bringsteen
12-09-2008, 07:53
Well if that's the case we should put a weather vane on our slides to make sure which way the winds blowing, since it has an effect. Unless you shoot with a 200 mph wind blowing directly on the slide of your pistol, the effect of the wind on the cycling of the pistol is negligible. But I suspect you know that, which is why you used that example. On the other hand, during firing of the pistol, the friction between the brass and the chamber is NOT negligible. Indeed, the internal pressure swelling the case against the chamber wall creates substantial friction. This friction was necessarily factored into the design of the pistol. One of the reasons that the 10mm can function well in a recoil-operated pistol is that the case is comparatively long and straight walled. This provides ample opportunity for friction to build between the brass and the chamber during deflagration. If brass/chamber friction weren't a factor, it is likely that three things would have to change: 1) The geometry of lockup would have to be changed so as to require more force to overcome; 2) the slide would need to weigh more; and 3) the recoil spring would need to be heavier. This could dramatically reduce the useful life of the pistol.

So now that we know what "effect" brass cases have, what about steel or even aluminum?? We only know that there is an effect; we don't know what the effect is, meaning we cannot quantify it. We know that there is an effect because ballisticians and firearm engineers have done the research and experiments and wrote their conclusions down in scientific treatises. If you want it quantified, you'll have to consult a ballistician or firearm engineer.

.45Super-Man
12-09-2008, 08:17
Unless you shoot with a 200 mph wind blowing directly on the slide of your pistol, the effect of the wind on the cycling of the pistol is negligible. But I suspect you know that, which is why you used that example. On the other hand, during firing of the pistol, the friction between the brass and the chamber is NOT negligible. Indeed, the internal pressure swelling the case against the chamber wall creates substantial friction. This friction was necessarily factored into the design of the pistol. One of the reasons that the 10mm can function well in a recoil-operated pistol is that the case is comparatively long and straight walled. This provides ample opportunity for friction to build between the brass and the chamber during deflagration. If brass/chamber friction weren't a factor, it is likely that three things would have to change: 1) The geometry of lockup would have to be changed so as to require more force to overcome; 2) the slide would need to weigh more; and 3) the recoil spring would need to be heavier. This could dramatically reduce the useful life of the pistol.

We only know that there is an effect; we don't know what the effect is, meaning we cannot quantify it. We know that there is an effect because ballisticians and firearm engineers have done the research and experiments and wrote their conclusions down in scientific treatises. If you want it quantified, you'll have to consult a ballistician or firearm engineer.This is the first I've ever heard of "brass friction" being a factor in the design! If it were, wouldnt using aluminum or steel case ammo void the manufacturers warranty?? What about nickle plated cases?? Ever notice that most of the "top shelf ammo" is in fact nickle plated?? This is to ease extraction as well as feeding and in fact help to negate any friction. I'd like to see an article or something because there are far too many variables in the materials used for cases, far different thicknesses of brass,oil in the chamber,etc. for it to be considered as a serious "factor" in firearms design. In fact if you look at the entire family of H&K's such as the G3, you'll notice that they "fluted" the chamber to effectively equalize the pressure on both sides of the case, to PREVENT the brass from swelling which obviously makes for more reliable extraction. Believe what you want, but I'd like to see your "source".

Bringsteen
12-09-2008, 10:03
I'd like to see an article or something because there are far too many variables in the materials used for cases, far different thicknesses of brass,etc. for it to be considered as a serious "factor" in firearms design. Believe what you want, but I'd like to see your "source".
When it comes to science, I don't believe what I want; I only believe what has been tested and verified.

A comprehensive and yet civilian-accessible book on the subject is Ballistics: Theory and Design of Guns and Ammunition, by Donald Carlucci and Sidney Jacobson.

While I am somewhat loath to recommend the internet as a primary source on scientific matters, I think you'll find that much of what is online concerning this matter is coextensive with the tested science.

This is the first I've ever heard of "brass friction" being a factor in the design! If it were, wouldnt using aluminum or steel case ammo void the manufacturers warranty?? What about nickle plated cases??

"Brass" is a term of art in the firearms community that refers to a cartridge case. As you note, cartridge cases can be made of brass, nickle-coated brass, aluminum, and steel. The aluminum and steel cartridge cases are often coated with a very thin film of plastic or varnish. For your benefit, I will use the expression "cartridge case."

Clearly the coefficient of friction is different with a steel cartridge case than a brass cartridge case, or an aluminum cartridge case. Not only that, but steel and aluminum cartridge cases have different tensile strengths as well as different elasticity properties than brass cartridge cases. Firearms designers know that the end user could use cartridge cases made of any of the above materials. The designers know that the coefficient of friction between cartridge cases used are different and adjust the slide weight, disengagement geometry, and recoil spring strength accordingly. As I wrote, cartridge case/chamber friction is only one factor to be considered in the cycling of recoil-operated pistols. Perhaps you have had to change recoil springs in a pistol to get the pistol to cycle properly with a particularly light load or a particularly heavy load. However, you have probably also been able to use ammunition with varying bullet weights and powder charges with no changes whatsoever. That is because pistols can work within a range. They are designed to do so.

Ever notice that most of the "top shelf ammo" is in fact nickle plated?? This is to ease extraction as well as feeding and in fact help to negate any friction.
I agree. What you write implicitly acknowledges that cartridge case/chamber friction is a consideration that firearm manufacturers and ammunition manufacturers must make. It could certainly be the case that nickle plated cartridge cases are used to mediate cartridge/chamber friction. Just because there are instances where one would want to take advantage of cartridge case/chamber friction, does not mean that there could be no instances where one would want to reduce cartridge case/chamber friction.

In fact if you look at the entire family of H&K's such as the G3, you'll notice that they "fluted" the chamber to effectively equalize the pressure on both sides of the case, to PREVENT the brass from swelling which obviously makes for more reliable extraction. THIS IS TOTALLY TRUE, AND RELIES ON THE PRINCIPLE I HAVE BEEN RESTATING AND YOU HAVE BEEN REJECTING. Fluting of a chamber is done to REDUCE the effect of chamber/case friction. Given the pressures that rifle cartridges generate and their length, without fluted chambers some semiautomatic rifles would rip the cartridge case head off during extraction because there is so much friction between the cartridge case and the chamber. In a roller lock, delayed blowback design, it is much harder to regulate the timing of extraction than it is in a gas-operated design. In a G3, without the fluted chamber, the case head wouldn't be ripped off (because the G3 is not gas operated), but it simply might not cycle at all. However, both roller lock, delayed blowback semiauto rifles and gas-operated semiauto rifles have employed fluted chambers. Here is an excerpt from www.lonesentry.com/articles/tokarev_m1940/index.html

"Not altogether a new system, but a reasonably effective means of aiding extraction is demonstrated in the chamber design of the Tokarev series of Soviet rifles. Although the principal cause of faulty extraction in automatic weapons has been the unlocking of the breech under pressure, some fault lies in the undue expansion of the cartridge case against the walls of the chamber, thus making the cartridge case difficult to remove, and forcing the use of heavily built extractors. The Russians have, in some measure, compensated for this expansion by manufacturing chambers which are longitudinally fluted instead of smooth. A fluted chamber throat is one which, instead of being smooth, has small grooves cut into the walls. These grooves are passages into which a portion of the propellant gases escape when the cartridge is fired. When the gases, at the instant of firing, enter the grooves, they tend to equalize the forces on the inside of the cartridge, thus reducing the adhesion of the cartridge case to the chamber walls. The cartridge, then being less tight in the chamber, may be extracted with less effort and in smoother action. Lighter extractors may be used, and broken extractors and jammed empty cartridge cases are less frequent. "

In a 10mm Automatic, which employs a much shorter cartridge case and far lower pressures, cartridge case/chamber friction is not so much a liability as above, but an asset.

I encourage you to pick up a book on firearms design. I think that you will find it quite edifying.

.45Super-Man
12-09-2008, 11:32
I can appreciate your taking the time, but I stand firm. The Tokarev needs all the help it can get in terms of extraction and uses a massive extractor because it fires the old 7.62x54R "rimmed" cartridge, just as any repeating firearm designed for the rimmed cartridge must have. Ever notice how easily spent cases will easily eject from a revolver? Why dont we need a hammer to pound on the ejection rod?

Bringsteen
12-09-2008, 13:28
I can appreciate your taking the time, but I stand firm. The Tokarev needs all the help it can get in terms of extraction and uses a massive extractor because it fires the old 7.62x54R "rimmed" cartridge, just as any repeating firearm designed for the rimmed cartridge must have.

The Tokarev was an example of the principle. The same principle stands with the G3. I simply cited an excerpt about the Tokarev because there is a readily linkable bit of text that illustrates the purpose of fluted chambers. Remember, the G3 uses fluted chambers and does not use an old rimmed cartridge. As you wrote, they "fluted" the chamber to effectively equalize the pressure on both sides of the case, to PREVENT the brass from swelling which obviously makes for more reliable extraction. To the extent that you believe what you wrote, you have acknowledged that at the peak of deflagration there exists substantial friction between the cartridge case and the chamber.

Ever notice how easily spent cases will easily eject from a revolver? Why dont we need a hammer to pound on the ejection rod?
This is basic interior ballistics. The expansion of the cartridge case is TEMPORARY. The friction between the cartridge case and the chamber is at its peak for miliseconds. Then the cartridge case returns to close to its original size. This is why cartridge cases need to be resized. But it is also why we don't need a hammer to pound on the ejection rod. You can use grossly overpressure loads to make the cartridge cases stick in the cylinder, but under normal circumstances, they'll come right out.

As we've begun to drift from the original point of contention, let me restate: in a recoil-operated pistol, it is the slide mass, disengagement geometry, and recoil spring strength that are the primary factors in determining whether the cartridge case is extracted at the correct time. But the momentary pressure rise from deflagration creates sufficient friction between the cartridge case and the chamber for it to be considered when determining the other three factors. As an example, if the engineer did not factor in the cartridge case/chamber friction, it is possible that his calculations would lead to the use of a too-heavy recoil spring for at least some loads.

I am confused as to why you are so resistant to this principle. You have acknowledged it in at least one instance (fluted chambers) but reject it in others. This principle is not my opinion or some "gut hunch" I got on the range. It is a long-understood principle of firearms design that has been verified repeatedly by firearms engineers.

NoJoy
12-09-2008, 16:56
JR I plan on shooting 45 Super through the G21T slide. With the extra mass, I am hoping for less recoil (with a 22lb recoil spring) and more velocity from the 5.32" barrel. I am hoping the slide will cycle fine with the Super, but I won't know until I get it.

okent
12-09-2008, 20:06
My personal experience with fluted chambers is that there are MORE case head problems with commercial ammo and it is required that you shoot nato ammo which is much thicker walled.
If you have ever inspected a case fired from a fluted chamber there are distinct lines where the brass has deformed into the flutes. If you shoot commercial ammo then case head failures are usually on the order of 1 in 10.
That is why those broken case extractors are so popular.
If there is a place for it then the brass will flow.
Those germans may have been going for less friction but it definitely is harder on the brass.
YMMV

Bringsteen
12-09-2008, 20:14
Fluted chambers are definitely no good for reloaders.

Well, back to discussion of the longslide.

JR
12-09-2008, 22:15
NoJoy: Been there, done that.... no problem!

NoJoy
12-09-2008, 23:19
Good to hear JR!

DanManMain
12-21-2008, 13:03
Where are these slides made? where are the barrels made?

Clarkbar
12-21-2008, 13:07
Where are these slides made? where are the barrels made?

Stainless steel all-around, AFAIK.

Neofyte
12-22-2008, 14:18
Is it possible to develop a plastic or aluminum cover for the cutout, so there’s less probability of foreign matter being introduced into the internal workings in case of an encounter with hostel elements, for me thats my only concern since I was thinking about it for CCW.

Rexx
12-22-2008, 14:23
Is it possible to develop a plastic or aluminum cover for the cutout, so there’s less probability of foreign matter being introduced into the internal workings in case of an encounter with hostel elements, for me thats my only concern since I was thinking about it for CCW.

Dear lord! I can't r-e-a-d!

Is it possible to develop a plastic or aluminum cover for the cutout, so there’s less probability of foreign matter being introduced into the internal workings in case of an encounter with hostel elements, for me thats my only concern since I was thinking about it for CCW.

better..

tripton
12-22-2008, 16:54
Is it possible to develop a plastic or aluminum cover for the cutout, so there’s less probability of foreign matter being introduced into the internal workings in case of an encounter with hostel elements, for me thats my only concern since I was thinking about it for CCW.

Really? You gonna need that extra 1.5 inches for CCW?


Would be awful hard to conceal, I would think.

Neofyte
12-24-2008, 16:40
No if you burly, like me.

Clarkbar
01-11-2009, 20:05
JR, will you have the G20L and G20T slides available any time soon?

eddief4
01-11-2009, 20:17
i would like to know as well:wavey:

Quarterbore
01-11-2009, 20:19
JR, will you have the G20L and G20T slides available any time soon?


http://www.icskansas.com/ROFLMAO1.gif

But I keep checking in, every month for almost a year now :dunno:

JR
01-12-2009, 10:38
We expect the 20T & 20L slides by the end of this month.
*(Dont tell Quarterbore, his are going to take a little longer)

Snapper2
01-12-2009, 12:12
We expect the 20T & 20L slides by the end of this month.
*(Dont tell Quarterbore, his are going to take a little longer)

JR , do you carry g29 slides?

Quarterbore
01-12-2009, 12:21
We expect the 20T & 20L slides by the end of this month.
*(Dont tell Quarterbore, his are going to take a little longer)

I won't tell him but I do sincerely hope that you over both options (cut and uncut) and that you have the manufacturing capability to keep them shipping. I do hope we get to see them this year :tongueout:

JR
01-12-2009, 15:59
I think the initial run has 20 each (T&L) that are uncut. We will see how the sales portion turns out.

DanManMain
01-12-2009, 16:03
I think the initial run has 20 each (T&L) that are uncut. We will see how the sales portion turns out.

Where are these slides and barrels made!?

JR
01-12-2009, 18:02
I have no idea why I would release information like that or why anybody would need to know? We build a great product at a fantastic price and guarantee it for lifetime.

FYI: I am on my way off to SHOT Show. Will return the 20th. Have a good one!

DanManMain
01-12-2009, 18:08
I have no idea why I would release information like that or why anybody would need to know? We build a great product at a fantastic price and guarantee it for lifetime.

FYI: I am on my way off to SHOT Show. Will return the 20th. Have a good one!

Because I am concerned about metallurgy, I would not buy a firearm, parts or tools made in a country that is not known for exportation of good steel.

JR
01-12-2009, 18:25
If somebody was smart, all they would need to know is the state a product ships from and they could find the manufacture. All I have to do is glance at a shipping label and I would know where to start my search.

There are publications in the library that list every manufacture in the US. If you know the state you have just narrowed your search to a handful of possibilities. With this in mind there should be no question as to why we protect the identity of our manufactures the same way Coke protects their secrete ingredients. Business is WAR. Any businessman that thinks otherwise is soon to be conquered (or killed, I prefer killed). MANY sources in this industry keep the original manufactures secrete. It is very common to list the product only and not the source, this is nothing new?

We have been in business since '98. From day one we have offered lifetime warrantees on every Lone Wolf branded product. If you feel we don't know what we are doing.... by all means don't buy from us!

dwebb210
01-12-2009, 18:26
Because I am concerned about metallurgy, I would not buy a firearm, parts or tools made in a country that is not known for exportation of good steel.

Yea, I'd even think twice if I learned it was made in China.

Working in a metallurgical lab for 10 years, I can honestly say we literally
never once saw an imported China product with "certified" metallurgy
ever meet it's metallurgical specifications.

DanManMain
01-12-2009, 19:00
If somebody was smart, all they would need to know is the state a product ships from and they could find the manufacture. All I have to do is glance at a shipping label and I would know where to start my search.

There are publications in the library that list every manufacture in the US. If you know the state you have just narrowed your search to a handful of possibilities. With this in mind there should be no question as to why we protect the identity of our manufactures the same way Coke protects their secrete ingredients. Business is WAR. Any businessman that thinks otherwise is soon to be conquered (or killed, I prefer killed). MANY sources in this industry keep the original manufactures secrete. It is very common to list the product only and not the source, this is nothing new?


When talking about Coke and Pepsi, one has to only think about this, Pepsi is a copy. It will always be, the only thing they have original is Mt Dew. Also Pepsi Finds creative ways to legally fire people who happen to Join the Selected Marine Corps Reserve.


So are these slides made in USA? Are the barrels made in USA? Nothing on your website states anything.

Caspian slides are made in America, and so are storm lake barrels. I don't wanna save money if I'm not buying American.

M4inCA
01-12-2009, 20:21
When talking about Coke and Pepsi, one has to only think about this, Pepsi is a copy. It will always be, the only thing they have original is Mt Dew. Also Pepsi Finds creative ways to legally fire people who happen to Join the Selected Marine Corps Reserve.


So are these slides made in USA? Are the barrels made in USA? Nothing on your website states anything.

Caspian slides are made in America, and so are storm lake barrels. I don't wanna save money if I'm not buying American.

I'm just curious. Do you shop at Walmart like 70% of the US population? Buy your clothes from Old Navy / Gap or a host of other companies?

How did you write this message? On your iPhone? PC, MAC?

Almost NOTHING is made here in the USA anymore. If you want to stimulate the USA, buy products from such companies as Lone Wolf. Designed and engineered here in the USA were the company employ's American workers.

I'd be willing to bet the majority of your clothing is made overseas from your shoes to your hat.

I'd also be willing to bet you're using a computer made overseas (unless you're using a really old IBM 386dx33 that was "Mostly" made here in the USA.

When you had breakfast this morning, where did your coffee and banana come from? I got odd's that it's not from the USA.

So, enjoy your "American made xxxxxxxx". Just be sure to check every label before buying. Even your so called American car is probably made or has parts from another country.

:upeyes:

roknjs
01-12-2009, 21:55
I'm just curious. Do you shop at Walmart like 70% of the US population? Buy your clothes from Old Navy / Gap or a host of other companies?

How did you write this message? On your iPhone? PC, MAC?

Almost NOTHING is made here in the USA anymore. If you want to stimulate the USA, buy products from such companies as Lone Wolf. Designed and engineered here in the USA were the company employ's American workers.

I'd be willing to bet the majority of your clothing is made overseas from your shoes to your hat.

I'd also be willing to bet you're using a computer made overseas (unless you're using a really old IBM 386dx33 that was "Mostly" made here in the USA.

When you had breakfast this morning, where did your coffee and banana come from? I got odd's that it's not from the USA.

So, enjoy your "American made xxxxxxxx". Just be sure to check every label before buying. Even your so called American car is probably made or has parts from another country.

:upeyes:

Why attack someone that wants to buy American. I look for the Made in America label 1st as well. Sometimes, its just not an option, but I will pay more for something made here vs something made anywhere else.

I didn't take his question to be what state, but are they made in the U.S. Personally, I'm buying one either way. I don't see anyone else making one, so if Lone Wolf is selling them, sign me up.

tripton
01-13-2009, 08:08
When talking about Coke and Pepsi, one has to only think about this, Pepsi is a copy. It will always be, the only thing they have original is Mt Dew. Also Pepsi Finds creative ways to legally fire people who happen to Join the Selected Marine Corps Reserve.


So are these slides made in USA? Are the barrels made in USA? Nothing on your website states anything.

Caspian slides are made in America, and so are storm lake barrels. I don't wanna save money if I'm not buying American.

So what if Pepsi is a copy? If a company can make something better than what is being produced, good for them. Coke blows. Capitalism rocks. Diet Coke tastes like battery acid.


I am curious as to where these are made as well, and I do not think that it is some kind of stupid arbitrary question. Most every other product that I buy, regardless of where it comes froms, states its origin of manufacture. Frankly, I will buy the better product, regardless of its origin. If a foreign company makes a better product than American competition, then they get my money. I am not going to buy American trash if foreign stuff is better. Maybe by buying the non-American goods, then American companies can pull their heads out of their asses and make a decent product. (UAW comes to mind. F' em.)

This is why I am on Glocktalk right now, and not on Rugertalk, or S&Wtalk. Glock is better.

I'll probably get a Lonewolf slide eventually...but looks like I will just have to assume that it is either 1.) Made in a secret "Willie Wonka" style facility with magical processes by mythical beings. or 2.) China, Hong Kong,Taiwan, out of melted down rickshaw axles, by people earning 23 cents a week to machine them out by hand, with rasps.

:dunno:

DanManMain
01-13-2009, 13:13
I'm just curious. Do you shop at Walmart like 70% of the US population? Buy your clothes from Old Navy / Gap or a host of other companies?

How did you write this message? On your iPhone? PC, MAC?

Almost NOTHING is made here in the USA anymore. If you want to stimulate the USA, buy products from such companies as Lone Wolf. Designed and engineered here in the USA were the company employ's American workers.

I'd be willing to bet the majority of your clothing is made overseas from your shoes to your hat.

I'd also be willing to bet you're using a computer made overseas (unless you're using a really old IBM 386dx33 that was "Mostly" made here in the USA.

When you had breakfast this morning, where did your coffee and banana come from? I got odd's that it's not from the USA.

So, enjoy your "American made xxxxxxxx". Just be sure to check every label before buying. Even your so called American car is probably made or has parts from another country.

:upeyes:

Not sure why you are attacking me...

Presently I've been shopping at walmart, target, fred Meyers, Winco, safeway. Depends on what I am buying. I admit I generally only buy WWB and gatorade at walmart. I still fit the levis I bought and wore in HS, some of the last ones to be made in US Factories and Mills. My Running Shoes new balance or Brooks. Boots by Red Wing, But my utilities are made by Propper, my dress and service by various people for DSCP, my Service Shirts by Creighton. My boots are Danner, I seen the factory on airport way in Portland. My pocket knife is blue label Benchmade, oh yeah I seen the factory too in Oregon City, Oregon.

I don't drink coffee, I feel caffeine in those doses is really bad for you, but are you telling me my Florida oranges aren't Legit? Idaho Potatoes are fake?

My Towncar was likely built in Ford's St. Thomas, Ontario Canada plant. As was my Mercury Colony park.

My G34 and my Colt Govt' Series 80 both have Bar-Sto Barrels, I seen the factory in 29 palms,CA .


It is simple I want to know the Country of origin for the barrel and slide. To determine if its worth waiting all this time on something thats not going to be up to par with an American competitors product. I believe American Steel is head and shoulders above others countries. I could be bugging Caspian to make Large Frame Glock slides in different Sizes

Its true, sometimes you have to buy foreign, theres no other reasonable choice, Especially, if You want a fast Motorcycle you don't have to work on regularly? I do own various Glock's, 2 Beretta's, Sig P226, HS2000,and a Benelli M4 Super90, for that reason, they are the best IMHO for what they are.

I'll sooner possibly put my money in a Colt 1911, less MIM parts, and I feel the metal is better than what Springfield or Taurus uses for their Brazilian slides.

SAWMAN
01-25-2009, 05:36
Went to the SHOT SHOW and picked up one of the very first long slides for my Glock 20.

Fit and finish is great and accuracy and reliability is right on.

Thanks for finally produceing these after all these months(years).

Just kidding. Not a "to the point" post in this thread for some time now. What happened ?? Did the whole long slide thing go in the crapper ?? To much time went by now I guess. Hey,I'm still mildly interested but not standing at parade rest at the ATM.

What's the latest ???????

Neal
01-25-2009, 11:03
Went to the SHOT SHOW and picked up one of the very first long slides for my Glock 20.

Fit and finish is great and accuracy and reliability is right on.

Thanks for finally produceing these after all these months(years).

Just kidding. Not a "to the point" post in this thread for some time now. What happened ?? Did the whole long slide thing go in the crapper ?? To much time went by now I guess. Hey,I'm still mildly interested but not standing at parade rest at the ATM.

What's the latest ???????

Sawman, when I started reading your post, I felt a flutter of excitement. Man, that was cruel. :)

DavidinSA
01-25-2009, 19:28
posted by JR on the 12th Dec 2008.
"We expect the 20T & 20L slides by the end of this month."

JR
01-25-2009, 20:58
SHOT is finally over and we had a great time showing off all our new products. Slides, barrels, frames and even a AR carbine dedicated to Glock mags! Unfortunately the 20T and 20L slides did not make the cut. I hope the 20 slides will be available soon but am totally reluctant to forecast another date. It seems my crystal ball is broken. All I can tell you is I have not thrown in the towel on this one.

I have no idea why this "manufacturing and country of origin" question keeps popping up? FYI: Lone Wolf does not manufacture anything. We are a bunch of idea guys that have MONEY to throw at manufactures and get them to do our bidding. We will not reveal any information regarding any part for any reason. We keep everything secret so we end up with an exclusive market share. If you are overly concerned with our manufacturing process and/or country of origin I highly advise you to take your business elsewhere. Take it to Caspian, take it to Barsto, take it out for a drink and dancing for all I care. Do us both a favor and take it away from me because you aint gettin' what your askin' for. This market is wide open to anybody with big balls and a fat wallet. If you can build a better product at a better price and deliver it quicker (regardless of where or how it is manufactured) I HIGHLY suggest you jump on your bicycle and get to takin' it somewhere!

Just wondering but..... if some of you guys are "all American" why would you purchase a GLOCK? FYI, Just a few months ago they were all manufactured in Austria. Is the "Buy American Only" label written on a piece of plastic? Does this label have the ability to bend and twist around to suit the bearers every whim?

EddieMossberg
01-25-2009, 23:10
JR, I'm looking forward to buying a 20L slide whenever they become available. Your company is great to do business with, thanks!

Quarterbore
01-26-2009, 14:22
JR,

I see and feal your frustration and yea I don't care who makes them myself as much as the quality of the output and I certainly like the uppers you already sell. You are also correct that the Glock 20 longslide is a long neglected market and I am hoping for one by Christmas 2009 or perhaps 2010 :tongueout:

Although I may make fun, I still faithfully check this thread as I have done for a year because I so despirately want one and NOBODY makes one, including you :crying:

BlackBelt
01-27-2009, 06:59
Thanks JR. I'll be on standby, waiting. I understand these things don't always go as planned. Just know that some of support your efforts either way.
Thanks man.

eddief4
01-27-2009, 18:52
JR, thanks for keepin the idea alive!

i'm hoping for a G20L and an AR lower:supergrin:


keep up the good work bro:wavey:

DanManMain
01-27-2009, 19:35
I have no idea why this "manufacturing and country of origin" question keeps popping up? FYI: Lone Wolf does not manufacture anything. We are a bunch of idea guys that have MONEY to throw at manufactures and get them to do our bidding. We will not reveal any information regarding any part for any reason. We keep everything secret so we end up with an exclusive market share. If you are overly concerned with our manufacturing process and/or country of origin I highly advise you to take your business elsewhere. Take it to Caspian, take it to Barsto,

Just wondering but..... if some of you guys are "all American" why would you purchase a GLOCK? FYI, Just a few months ago they were all manufactured in Austria. Is the "Buy American Only" label written on a piece of plastic? Does this label have the ability to bend and twist around to suit the bearers every whim?

You really show your intelligence(or lack of)with your post. Instead of coming up with witty punch lines, I SUGGEST reading in between the lines. The question came up because of my concerns of quality and metallurgy.

Yes, I bought a foreign Made pistol. But do I wanna put 3rd world parts on it? If you don't make anything, why does your foolish logo appear on parts? Its obvious to me, you offshore contracted out the manufacture of the parts. my guess is China, Korea, Maybe even Taiwan.

I never said I was all American, but I would like to at least try. So, yes on my Glock, I will take my tax return money and just buy a Caspian slide and Another Bar-sto. the Bar-sto Barrel for my Colt MK IV series 90 Gov't Model seems to have worked well. Read I stated I have a Colt not a Norinco.

JR
01-27-2009, 21:37
I am pretty confident Caspian & Barsto are fresh out of these:

http://www.hydrabackoffice.com/images/lwdmain.jpg

DanManMain
01-27-2009, 22:19
http://www.robarguns.com/images/axpic4.jpg

JR
01-28-2009, 09:55
Oh Dan you silly boy! CCF and Robar do not constitute Caspian and Barsto. (are you twisting your label around again, said this, meant that?)

I do appreciate your banter. FYI: I worked with Larry at CCF for a few years on this very project. I am intimately aware of its idiosyncrasies. I highly recommend you purchase one ASAP.

M4inCA
01-29-2009, 12:52
You really show your intelligence(or lack of)with your post. Instead of coming up with witty punch lines, I SUGGEST reading in between the lines. The question came up because of my concerns of quality and metallurgy.

Yes, I bought a foreign Made pistol. But do I wanna put 3rd world parts on it? If you don't make anything, why does your foolish logo appear on parts? Its obvious to me, you offshore contracted out the manufacture of the parts. my guess is China, Korea, Maybe even Taiwan.

I never said I was all American, but I would like to at least try. So, yes on my Glock, I will take my tax return money and just buy a Caspian slide and Another Bar-sto. the Bar-sto Barrel for my Colt MK IV series 90 Gov't Model seems to have worked well. Read I stated I have a Colt not a Norinco.

Dan, I'm curious, any additional parts on your glock? Sights, extended mag release, captured guide rod & spring, etc...

I'd be willing to bet once again, these parts are not made by who you think they are.

Seems to me all you want to do is fight with JR about the products his company makes.

1) Build a bridge and get over it.

2) My concerns would be
a) Does the product work to my expectations
b) Will the company stand behind their work 100%

I think your attitude regarding JR and LoneWolf are unjustified. It's a free market, if you don't like the answers, go somewhere else and spend your money there.

okent
01-29-2009, 13:33
M4inCA: +1

If you don't like what you see or hear and you can't change it then stop complaining and move on.

SC-Texas
01-29-2009, 15:08
SHOT is finally over . . . . . . I hope the 20 slides will be available soon but am totally reluctant to forecast another date. It seems my crystal ball is broken. All I can tell you is I have not thrown in the towel on this one.

If you are overly concerned with our manufacturing process and/or country of origin I highly advise you to take your business elsewhere.

The only thing about your manufacturing process is when the hell the G20L slides are gonna be on the market.

Avagadro602
02-11-2009, 17:07
I called lone wolf yesterday and they guy I spoke with told me a new batch is about a month out. I cant wait.

Neal
02-11-2009, 19:10
First thing I said "Re: I just talked to LW! " LW is short for Lonewolf! Yes I talked to Don, and he said they should be available by October!



This was posted 8-17-07.

Quarterbore
02-12-2009, 10:29
This was posted 8-17-07.


Sure, they will be available in October of some year. I hope it is 2009 but if not I guess I will hope for 2010 or 2011 :rofl:

Note - I really do want to buy and I keep checking with the hope they get made but until then the waite has been great as I am not shooting extra 10mm out of a longslide so it is perhaps saving me some money too.

dougader
02-12-2009, 17:19
You know, I have owned exactly one BarSto barrel. Never again. It was for a G17 and was chambered for 9x21. I had a gunsmith/machinist friend of mine fit it to the gun and it always worked flawlessly. But, oh my heck, you should have seen the feed ramp on it. It was waaaaaay off center; over to the left if I recall. John commented on it. Couldn't believe a $250 barrel would be shipped looking like that. I have no idea what a 6" barrel from BarSto would run now.

I wish I could take a picture of that barrel and show you what the top name in US made match grade barrels looked like, but I sold that gun in about 1997. It was a joke. I don't know why it ran reliably, but it did. It was no more accurate that the OEM barrel, but man would it launch 9mm slugs...IIRC, 115 jhp's @ 1525 fps to make the old major PF of 175.

My next barrel will be LW or KKM. Haven't decided yet.

okent
02-13-2009, 15:28
I have a LW in my G21T and it runs flawlessly.
I got the LW for the long slide.
Sitting in the parts box waiting patiently.:cool:

roknjs
02-18-2009, 22:07
OK, it's been 5 days and no more news. I can't take it.

eddief4
02-19-2009, 21:05
:sigh:

saspic
02-20-2009, 06:44
Okay, this just in: not only is the G20 Longslide not getting produced, they're cancelling the 10x25mm entirely!
Turn in all your G20s and G29s to Smyrna where Gaston Glock will toss them into a furnace and spit in your face derisively.



...at least that's what it feels like.:violin: