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Clarkbar
02-23-2009, 09:43
I am pretty confident Caspian & Barsto are fresh out of these:

Where are they on your website? I go to LWD once a day, and haven't seen any updates.

Are you going to be producing G20/21 frames?

Any updates on the elusive G20L slides?

Avagadro602
02-24-2009, 18:27
My hope was to buy a G20L slide and get a 10mm to 45 conversion barrel. I am almost at the point where I want to order the 21L slide and hope to find a 6" 45 to 10mm barrel.

dougader
02-24-2009, 18:45
My hope was to buy a G20L slide and get a 10mm to 45 conversion barrel. I am almost at the point where I want to order the 21L slide and hope to find a 6" 45 to 10mm barrel.

I emailed the guy in charge of custom work asking for a complete G21 Longslide upper with barrel, etc., a few weeks ago and never heard back. So I spent my money elsewhere.

Clarkbar
02-24-2009, 19:28
My hope was to buy a G20L slide and get a 10mm to 45 conversion barrel. I am almost at the point where I want to order the 21L slide and hope to find a 6" 45 to 10mm barrel.

You cannot get a 10mm-to-45 conversion barrel, since the breechface of the 10mm slide is too narrow for the rim of the 45 ACP cartridge. You can purchase a 45-to-10mm barrel, since the skinnier 10mm cartridge will fit on the 45 ACP breechface. However, you will suffer from feeding/extraction issues.

I am patiently waiting for the LWD G20L slide so that I can have my 45-to-10mm barrel fitted down and buy a new 45 ACP barrel for my current long slide.

papa_smurf762
03-02-2009, 08:20
Y'all can get excited now. I checked the Lone wolf site this morning and found the G20L slide listed for $199.

I'm hoping to order one today.

I hope they have enough for all of us.

Quarterbore
03-02-2009, 08:33
Edit - the $199 slide is the standard length slide - Not Longslide

You got me

BlackBelt
03-02-2009, 09:45
I'm not seeing the G20L slide on their site, only the regular length G20 slide. What am I missing here???

JR
03-02-2009, 11:30
Hold On! The slide you are referring to is the STANDARD G20 Slide. The 20T and 20L slides are not on the web site (yet).

papa_smurf762
03-02-2009, 16:11
Hey,

I can't believe what a dummy I was.

I'm sorry if i got any body else's hopes up.

JR, When are you expecting them? There must be some reason why my brain rearranged those letters to make me see 20L.

Papa

Total_Recoil
03-18-2009, 11:48
any update????????????

Clarkbar
03-18-2009, 13:03
No.

My credit card awaits JR's release of the G20L slide . . .

DaGroaner
03-24-2009, 12:01
:popcorn:

Quarterbore
03-24-2009, 12:07
Hey,

I can't believe what a dummy I was.

I'm sorry if i got any body else's hopes up.



I did worse, I screwed up and ordered one so I have a 10mm Lone Wolf slide I really wasn't planning to buy... Oh well, now I have a spare standard length G20 upper and I have been searching for a G20 or G21 frame I can use it on... stupid hurts :crying:

mrgrinch
03-24-2009, 16:51
I did worse, I screwed up and ordered one so I have a 10mm Lone Wolf slide I really wasn't planning to buy... Oh well, now I have a spare standard length G20 upper and I have been searching for a G20 or G21 frame I can use it on... stupid hurts :crying:

Hey quarterbore, if you're interested I have a new and unfired G20 lower with internals I need to sell. Bought it as a complete pistol a year ago and sold off the slide and barrel in anticipation of a long slide. Now that the SF's are out, I'll pick up one of those if the long slides ever produced.

Neal
04-04-2009, 07:25
Hold On! The slide you are referring to is the STANDARD G20 Slide. The 20T and 20L slides are not on the web site (yet).

JR, does this mean that you are still planning on the 6" Glock 20 slides?

JR
04-07-2009, 20:06
I should have a ship date on the 20 slides by next week

BlackBelt
04-08-2009, 19:44
I keep checking every day...

saspic
04-10-2009, 13:38
That brings up a good question, will the slides be announced through the email first? It would be nice for those of us that have been following for years now and would like first crack at the solid longslides.

JR
04-10-2009, 13:46
Clarify please:

The ones who have patiently followed for years or the the ones who have persistently busted my balls for years....

Sounds the same..... ?

I will post it here when I have a ship date. You guys are first in line. I have a soft spot for GT members. Some spots are different depending on the member but still in all... its soft.

_The_Shadow
04-10-2009, 14:13
Thanks JR!

I sure wish you would make me a long 9X25Dillon barrel without the ports cut into it for my G-29.

Do you think a 6" long slide/barrel combination for a Glock 29 is in the future?

Best regards!

Mik
04-10-2009, 14:52
Yippee!

HAVOC
04-10-2009, 14:58
Clarify please:

The ones who have patiently followed for years or the the ones who have persistently busted my balls for years....

Sounds the same..... ?

I will post it here when I have a ship date. You guys are first in line. I have a soft spot for GT members. Some spots are different depending on the member but still in all... its soft.

It's all done outta love...

DavidinSA
04-10-2009, 18:18
Thanks JR,

I know you have put up with a lot of buttheads here that do not have a clue about business or manufacturing.
There are some of us though that have appreciated your efforts where no one else has made any.

Again, thanks, I will be planning on purchasing several slides myself.

David

Hunter1000
04-10-2009, 20:06
Can't wait!!! Have you come up with a firm price point yet? Thank you and looking forward to purchasing one.

Clarkbar
04-10-2009, 20:37
I will post it here when I have a ship date. You guys are first in line. I have a soft spot for GT members. Some spots are different depending on the member but still in all... its soft.

Thanks for keeping at it!!

MurrayNevada
04-11-2009, 05:50
These will be complete slides, correct? Will we simply reassemble the gun with the new slide and 6" barrel and be ready to go?

DavidinSA
04-11-2009, 15:52
Should be just bare slide.

eddief4
04-11-2009, 16:07
i believe they are just the bare slides, and you have to add your own internals/sights:wavey:

SAWMAN
04-12-2009, 05:13
Can we get anybody to commit to a "fairly close" price ??

Mik
04-12-2009, 12:19
Can we get anybody to commit to a "fairly close" price ??

if you go to Lonewolf's site, you can a get a ballpark price from the Model 21 .45ACP long slides.

JR
04-13-2009, 20:52
The slides are sold bare. We do not offer them complete because it is impossible to have access to all parts at all times. This is the reason we offer a parts list. When you place an order you can clearly see what we have on hand and what you need to scrounge for at other places.

The 20L and 20T will sell at $225, same price as the 21L & 21T. This is less than 1/2 the price of the original (Oberland) slides we offered some 5 years ago.

I thought I would have a delivery date by now. I can tell you we are close.

DaGroaner
04-14-2009, 10:38
The slides are sold bare. We do not offer them complete because it is impossible to have access to all parts at all times. This is the reason we offer a parts list. When you place an order you can clearly see what we have on hand and what you need to scrounge for at other places.

The 20L and 20T will sell at $225, same price as the 21L & 21T. This is less than 1/2 the price of the original (Oberland) slides we offered some 5 years ago.

I thought I would have a delivery date by now. I can tell you we are close.

Thanks for the update. Do you know how many of the 20Ls will be available without the hole in the top?

DontMessWithMe
04-14-2009, 11:27
JR: I am also interested in the 20L slide without the hole on the top. The extra weight will help taming those hot rounds. Please make it an option. Thank you.

NWanner
04-14-2009, 18:45
+1 to that!

Snapper2
04-14-2009, 20:53
JR: I am also interested in the 20L slide without the hole on the top. The extra weight will help taming those hot rounds. Please make it an option. Thank you.

I agree with what you're saying, but isnt it a timing thing? Where the slide weight/recoil spring/striker spring/mag spring have to equal out? At some point slide weight might be too much for a given frame ie. velocity/forward momentum are too much to stop. That said, I hope it works.

NWanner
04-15-2009, 12:59
I agree with what you're saying, but isnt it a timing thing? Where the slide weight/recoil spring/striker spring/mag spring have to equal out? At some point slide weight might be too much for a given frame ie. velocity/forward momentum are too much to stop. That said, I hope it works.
If you read at the beginning of the thread, the weight issue was about the slide being able to reliably cycle weaker ammunition.

DaGroaner
04-15-2009, 16:08
I agree with what you're saying, but isnt it a timing thing? Where the slide weight/recoil spring/striker spring/mag spring have to equal out? At some point slide weight might be too much for a given frame ie. velocity/forward momentum are too much to stop. That said, I hope it works.

My personal issues are that I don't want a dirt collection bin sitting on top of my pistol and I want to be able to mount TFOs on it.

MurrayNevada
04-15-2009, 20:06
The slides are sold bare. We do not offer them complete because it is impossible to have access to all parts at all times. This is the reason we offer a parts list. When you place an order you can clearly see what we have on hand and what you need to scrounge for at other places.

The 20L and 20T will sell at $225, same price as the 21L & 21T. This is less than 1/2 the price of the original (Oberland) slides we offered some 5 years ago.

I thought I would have a delivery date by now. I can tell you we are close.
For a quick and temporary solution couldn't we simply move the internal parts of our G20 slide to the new LWD G20L slide?

DaGroaner
04-15-2009, 20:55
For a quick and temporary solution couldn't we simply move the internal parts of our G20 slide to the new LWD G20L slide?

Yes. But half the attraction is in having two complete top-ends. Well maybe not half but you know what I mean.

SAWMAN
04-16-2009, 06:01
Like DaGroaner sez in his aboves +, my G20 was bought for shooting full power(aka 10mm) ammo. If I'd have wanted to shoot a 40cal bullet at .40S&W speeds I would have simply bought a .40Short&Weak.

Full slide would be my pref,fer shur.

MurrayNevada
04-16-2009, 06:21
Yes. But half the attraction is in having two complete top-ends. Well maybe not half but you know what I mean.

Agree, but knowing myself, I will want to shoot the 20L the day I receive it.

okent
04-16-2009, 13:28
I already have my barrel and parts sitting in the box waiting for the slide.
I ordered them a few months ago so I could put it together as soon as the slide gets here. Did the same thing with the 21T slide.
The only thing I haven't got is sights. Can't decide what to get but leaning toward Dawson fiberoptics.
It will be a deer hunting pistol.

MurrayNevada
05-06-2009, 20:24
Anything new on this?

JR
05-06-2009, 20:47
I have not received confirmation regarding shipping however I can tell you the 20T & 20L slides will be in route to us this week. I will have a few of them available at the NRA show in Phoenix the 15th through the 17th. I will try to get the G20 slides listed on our web site before I leave for the show (Sat).
If you want a standard slide you are most likely better off ordering it on-line
There are a limited number of solid slides. If you want a solid slide I highly recommend you call the order in to 208-437-0612. You will need to inform the sales person you want a solid slide. If you place your order on-line be sure to mention you want a solid slide "in the notes section" during check out.

MurrayNevada
05-06-2009, 21:31
Thanks JR. What are the advantages/disadvantages of the solid 20L versus your standard 20L? Why would a person choose one over the other? I am sorry if this seems like a simple question but I am new to the long slides.

Thank you

saspic
05-06-2009, 21:48
Well, they have more weight, which means they may handle heavy recoiling loads better. Conversely, they could cause cycling problems with less powerful loads.
Some worry about the opening letting in debris. Of course, all the open Beretta 92s don't seem to really suffer from that problem.
Then there is the aesthetics.
I think one person was concerned the open slide might result in extra residue onto their sights, but if the barrels are not ported, I'm not sure why they would be any more likely to do this than solid slide guns.

Thank you for the heads up on the latest possible selling date, JR. I will keep my feelers out.

mitchmcgee
05-07-2009, 10:31
If you want a solid slide I highly recommend you call the order in to 208-437-0612. You will need to inform the sales person you want a solid slide. If you place your order on-line be sure to mention you want a solid slide "in the notes section" during check out.

The sales person could not find a part number for the solid 6" bull-nose long slide. He entered my order for a G20L bare slide and noted that I wanted a solid slide.

Is there anything else I can do to ensure that I get a solid slide?

Thanks,

seaswol
05-07-2009, 18:40
Well LWD's system took my order for a 20 longslide. I think we've talked about this since I was 55 and am now 57 so hopefully I'll have it in hand before I become SS eligible:rofl:. Just kidding, some projects just take longer and it will probably take me a year to build up the slide to my liking. Thanks for making it happen JR.
Chris

Avagadro602
05-07-2009, 19:44
Does the "bull nose" look like the nose on G21L or G21T slide?

MurrayNevada
05-07-2009, 20:06
JR, Do you charge the credit card when the order is placed, or at shipping?

Thanks

DavidinSA
05-07-2009, 20:18
I just ordered 2.

Thanks JR.

David

MurrayNevada
05-07-2009, 20:57
I just finished ordering a 20L standard slide on-line. Looking forward to putting it all together.

gatorboy
05-08-2009, 13:06
Is the 20T available solid also?

Snapper2
05-08-2009, 15:05
Is the 20T available solid also?

they told me no.

dwebb210
05-08-2009, 15:11
So is LWD actually taking orders on that which is not even shown in stock?

gatorboy
05-08-2009, 16:55
they told me no.

Thank's snapper2! Would have been nice though, huh?

Snapper2
05-08-2009, 19:16
Thank's snapper2! Would have been nice though, huh?

You betcha. I was going to order a t slide with a 6" barrel. He said the long slides were all he had with solid tops. I dont guess the tactical barrels are in yet either.

Snapper2
05-08-2009, 19:21
So is LWD actually taking orders on that which is not even shown in stock?

Checks in the mail.:whistling: I was told they were being shipped now, enroute to LWD. Yes, I ordered a g20 L slide.

JR
05-08-2009, 20:21
The 20T & 20L slides will be in-route to us Monday. I would guess they will be available the following week. I will have a few samples with me at NRA in Phoenix the 15th through the 17th.

FYI: All the slides LWD produces will feature the following custom features: Bull nose, forward serrations, lowered ejection port and beveled rails. This is an excellent deal for our customers. LWD simply considers these custom features "standard" and we include them for free on all our slides. http://www.lonewolfdist.com/ItemMedia/10000/10000_775.jpg

I have a few 20T and 20L slides that are supposed to be solid tops...... but that remains to be seen..... I will believe it when I open the package.

dwebb210
05-08-2009, 20:27
I have a few 20T and 20L slides that are supposed to be solid tops...... but that remains to be seen..... I will believe it when I open the package.

I placed an order for two with the solid tops.

Hope you get them.

Thanks for sticking with this project.

ainokea
05-08-2009, 20:44
Is it possible to drop a G20T or 6" barrel into a G21T slide?

JR
05-08-2009, 20:54
The 20T barrel is actually 5.15, the 20L is 6.02

twoblackbelts
05-08-2009, 23:45
Went to the SHOT SHOW and picked up one of the very first long slides for my Glock 20.

Fit and finish is great and accuracy and reliability is right on.

Thanks for finally produceing these after all these months(years).


Butthead....:steamed:

twoblackbelts
05-08-2009, 23:53
Thanks a million, JR.:wavey:

okent
05-09-2009, 00:10
I called and ordered mine first thing this morning.
Now all I need is a set of sights:cool:

Thanks JR

Clarkbar
05-09-2009, 21:48
Placed my order for a solid-topped 20L slide and small parts this AM . . . I hope that JR had enough of them made!!

twoblackbelts
05-09-2009, 23:45
Forgive me if this is a repost, but I assume that all my guts will transfer from my Glock slide into the LWD slide. All the guts are LWD, anyway, striker, etc., So i'll just need a new rod/recoil spring?

Clarkbar
05-10-2009, 07:22
Forgive me if this is a repost, but I assume that all my guts will transfer from my Glock slide into the LWD slide. All the guts are LWD, anyway, striker, etc., So i'll just need a new rod/recoil spring?

The slide is designed to utilize a standard Glock recoil spring.

Snapper2
05-10-2009, 20:19
I noticed the shipping weight on the g20 standard slide is 1.28oz and the L slide is 1.38oz. Is this the true weight difference, 0.10 oz ?

twoblackbelts
05-12-2009, 00:54
The slide is designed to utilize a standard Glock recoil spring.

Weeeellllll......I goot get me on of those.

There is not a slide in the world that weighs 1.28 ounces. Not even a PPK. A cellphone weighs 4.

BlackBelt
05-12-2009, 06:06
Weeeellllll......I goot get me on of those.

There is not a slide in the world that weighs 1.28 ounces. Not even a PPK. A cellphone weighs 4.
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Shhh!!! Don't tell anyone, but the firing pin weighs 2 lbs... :)

Snapper2
05-16-2009, 13:39
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Shhh!!! Don't tell anyone, but the firing pin weighs 2 lbs... :)

Maybe thats where the extra weights coming from that'll slow down those badazz DT rounds, You might be on to something.:rofl:
Are there any updates on the longslides?:dunno:

Avagadro602
05-19-2009, 17:49
Anyone gotten a shipping notice on these?.

dwebb210
05-19-2009, 18:54
Anyone gotten a shipping notice on these?.

Website still says they are "backordered".

I take that to mean LWD doesn't have them yet.

Suburban
05-19-2009, 21:20
Nevermind, I think I misread. Sorry.

R0CKETMAN
05-22-2009, 13:40
I just wanted to say thanks to LW and JR for finally making this happen. Companies like LW and DT are two of the reasons why the 10mm platform remains.

bdc
05-22-2009, 14:08
For numerous reasons well exampled in this thread I note a real opening for genuine competition in the barrel/slide manufacture/distribution industry. Odd considering how many can be found reselling a small number of manufacturers parts.

Dasan Machineries Co., Lt of S. Korea provides the underlying manufacturing for many re-branded products world-wide.

http://dasan21.en.ec21.com/company_info.jsp

R0CKETMAN
05-26-2009, 17:57
I guess I'm the only one excited.

Davis
05-26-2009, 21:33
I just wanted to say Thank you JR and all for sticking with the 20L and 20T program

I was saving up to convert my old g20 to the FG&R but will put that on hold so I can get the 20T hopefully in a solid

R0CKETMAN
05-28-2009, 07:34
Oh well at least it was a nice idea. The wait continues.

eddief4
05-28-2009, 10:23
:impatient:

JR
05-28-2009, 15:36
Good news: The 20L and 20T slides started shipping today. OH YEAH!

Bad news: The solid slides are not available. If you placed an order for a solid slide it will automatically be cancelled.

FYI: Dan built up one of these top ends and ripped a few rounds. Accuracy looks good! he posted his results here http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1063662

saspic
05-28-2009, 16:29
Wait, do you mean, "The solid tops are not currently available", and the wait is on once again, or, "Sorry, that is just not going to happen."?
Thank you.
P.S. Happy days for those who were waiting for the open top slides.

JR
05-28-2009, 17:22
We have been developing a new fully adjustable rear sight for the Glock slides. These prototype slides do not include a rear dove tail cut. When I changed the current 20T & 20L order to include a few "solid slides" the machinist assumed I was referring to the special order "no dove tail". I was told we would be receiving "solid slides" when in fact we received "no dovetail". Chalk it up to miscommunication.

This is not the end of the world. I will have another run started in a month or so and this time include a few "solid slides" for real. My guess is they will be about 4 months out.


Lone Wolf adjustable rear sight:
<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/glockm_35/LWDCustomRearSight.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

R0CKETMAN
05-28-2009, 17:31
We have been developing a new fully adjustable rear sight for the Glock slides. These prototype slides do not include a rear dove tail cut. My guess is they will be about 4 months out.


Lone Wolf adjustable rear sight:
<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/glockm_35/LWDCustomRearSight.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

1. Like I said, the wait continues. Sure would be nice if you could speed it up. Hunting season is near. Thanks JR and LW for all that you do. Your communication to me has been stellar.

2. I'd prefer to use the sight of my choice. Not a fan of that cut out at all.

Mik
05-28-2009, 22:54
JR,

is it possible to keep my order for a solid top in the 'que'? I can wait...

Neal
05-29-2009, 04:25
Anxiously awaiting reports from customers receiving the long slides............:wow:
In the meantime, how are you going to carry your longslide 20s? Beltslide? Shoulder holster?

bdc
05-29-2009, 10:29
There is so much room for competent competition in this niche market.

I have only ordered from LWD twice, and both times they would/could not deliver.

Most recently, one of twenty items was backordered, so after two months they were pulling from my order pick to complete other customers orders. I got shafted.

On my first order, they mis-priced an item, would not admit to it, and would not deliver it. They canceled my order after 4 months. I got the item cheaper at Brownelles!

R0CKETMAN
05-29-2009, 10:37
There is so much room for competent competition in this niche market.

I have only ordered from LWD twice, and both times they would/could not deliver.

Most recently, one of twenty items was backordered, so after two months they were pulling from my order pick to complete other customers orders. I got shafted.

On my first order, they mis-priced an item, would not admit to it, and would not deliver it. They canceled my order after 4 months. I got the item cheaper at Brownelles!

If you want to trash LW, start your own thread

bdc
05-29-2009, 10:49
I just state the truth.

I would like to be treated as a respected customer by LWD. I hope they can get their act together.

JR can dish it out, he better be able to handle the truth.

DaGroaner
05-29-2009, 13:21
If you want to trash LW, start your own thread

I have had nothing but good experiences with LWD but it sure seems like this is on-topic to me. This isn't your thread to begin with and I'd like to know who died and made you hall monitor? :upeyes:

JR
05-29-2009, 13:25
We took all the solid side orders and cancelled them. If you had one on order you should receive an email today explaining the situation. When my next order comes around I will post here so you guys get first chance at them. Thanks for the support

bdc: There are a lot of "start-ups" offering Glock parts. These guys are "off the shelf parts company's". More power to them, I wish them the best. Honestly speaking, they will NEVER be competition to Lone Wolf. There are a few companies that could/would ever be considered innovators, very few. I guarantee none of the "few" hold a candle to Lone Wolf. We have no competition, never have, never will. This is because we have no "box" to live or think in.
I am sorry if I somehow offended you or any others out there. During my 11 years DBA as Lone Wolf Distributors I have learned that It is impossible to please everybody. This is a fact I decided I can live with and encourage you to do the same. If you don't like me or LWD don't do any business with us.

DaGroaner
05-29-2009, 13:34
We took all the solid side orders and cancelled them. If you had one on order you should receive an email today explaining the situation. When my next order comes around I will post here so you guys get first chance at them. Thanks for the support

bdc: There are a lot of "start-ups" offering Glock parts. These guys are "off the shelf parts company's". More power to them, I wish them the best. Honestly speaking, they will NEVER be competition to Lone Wolf. There are a few companies that could/would ever be considered innovators, very few. I guarantee none of the "few" hold a candle to Lone Wolf. We have no competition, never have, never will. This is because we have no "box" to live or think in.
I am sorry if I somehow offended you or any others out there. During my 11 years DBA as Lone Wolf Distributors I have learned that It is impossible to please everybody. This is a fact I decided I can live with and encourage you to do the same. If you don't like me or LWD don't do any business with us.

Hi JR,

Looking at the photos it looks like there might be enough room between the hole and the front sight to mount a TFO front sight. Am I correct or is that a no go?

BTW, I was at the Rose City Gun Show last month and thought you should know that your reps there did an outstanding job representing your company.

bdc
05-29-2009, 14:04
At least JR did not deny any of the facts presented.

I hope that everyone understood the lyrics to the tune sung to us.

Does JR respect LWD customers?

DaGroaner
05-29-2009, 14:49
At least JR did not deny any of the facts presented.

I hope that everyone understood the lyrics to the tune sung to us.

Does JR respect LWD customers?

I'm sure he does. Name one organization that hasn't had something slip through their cracks. You were just the unlucky one, that's all. Most people have nothing but nice things to say about LWD. If I were you, I'd give them another chance.

bdc
05-29-2009, 15:56
You seem to be a fair minded individual, and Glocktalk benefits from your efforts. Thanks!

I'm glad your experience from LWD has been satisfactory.

You are sure that JR cares. I only know from my experience and the things JR says on this and other forums.

I certainly hope he learns how to be a better businessman. Some business success turns out to be only the result of luck and very little competition. That does not make you a genius.

To not recognizing the efforts of your customers research, or presenting your rosy red cheeks to them when your business fails in its mandate to deliver as promised, is clearly a mistake.

Good fortune to you Sir!

ampdog
05-29-2009, 16:12
I guess I am one of the guy's who will be recieving an email about his solid slide. I wish it could stay on back order and ship immediately when it comes. With my luck I won't check my email for a couple of days and they will all be gone.

What are the chances of getting a solid slide with the cool adjustable sight?

Clarkbar
05-29-2009, 20:17
This is not the end of the world. I will have another run started in a month or so and this time include a few "solid slides" for real. My guess is they will be about 4 months out.


. . . the wait, that is.

<sigh> I've been waiting years (literally) for this, and so I guess that four more months won't mean much either way.

DaGroaner
05-29-2009, 21:50
You seem to be a fair minded individual, and Glocktalk benefits from your efforts. Thanks!

I'm glad your experience from LWD has been satisfactory.

You are sure that JR cares. I only know from my experience and the things JR says on this and other forums.

I certainly hope he learns how to be a better businessman. Some business success turns out to be only the result of luck and very little competition. That does not make you a genius.

To not recognizing the efforts of your customers research, or presenting your rosy red cheeks to them when your business fails in its mandate to deliver as promised, is clearly a mistake.

Good fortune to you Sir!

Thank you very much. Think about it this way... JR is successful. I am sure that he is firmly committed to constant self-improvement like all successful people are. I think people like that operate in good faith especially when it comes to customer service. However they are also busy people and when they come to a site like this in an effort to make the kind of outreach you're asking for and get kind of crapped on for their trouble I can understand why he might get a little short. I am by no means saying that your post wasn't fair game but I'm sure that if you voiced your complaint privately and worded it a little nicer you would have invoked a very different response. As mentioned above I visited his booth and it struck me that JR picked very professional people to run his booths. There were actually two of them IIRC. The guy puts out the effort but no one is perfect. This is a GOOD company to deal with. A company that supplies Glock owners with great products at very reasonable prices. He also supports this forum that is also of service to Glock owners with advertising dollars. In short he provides a true service to Glock owners. Seriously man, give them another chance. Besides. like the man said, they don't have any competition and judging by the value to dollar ratio provided, don't need any. That in and of itself should tell you all you need to know about Lone Wolf. He staves off the competition by taking all the fun out of competing before they ever get in the game. That is genius.

okent
05-29-2009, 22:55
If you live long enough and do enough business EVERYONE will have mistakes.
I have dealt with companies who have gold plated ratings and had problems. Yes, even two times in a row.

If you think this is bad then do yourself a favor and do not get into NFA.

bdc
05-30-2009, 10:47
I believe JR writes what he means about the value he ascribes to customers.

Any Glocktalker can research and read his consistent dismissal of justifiably unsatisfied customers.

No one, or organization is without error, they just respond to their errors differently.

I do hope JR becomes a better businessman as he gets real competition in the niche industry LWD now dominates. Everyone will benefit if this occurs.

No one has to carry any water for JR or LWD.

Thanks for your good comments.

okent
05-30-2009, 23:51
I have a order that was placed the beginning of April and is waiting on parts to complete the invoice and ship that were supposed to be in by the end of April but you don't see me trolling for a fight with JR.
You can spin your wheels venting on this thread or call LW and work it out.

alwaysshootin
05-31-2009, 05:09
They should be available by Rocktober!!!!!! Perfect for deer season!

This was my post in August of 2007!!!!!!:whistling::yawn::wow::wavey:

Flexmoney
05-31-2009, 07:12
JR,

I'd be interested to know the weight of the slides?

Stock G20 slide = ?
LWD G20 slide = ?
LWD G20T slide = ?
LWD G20L slide = ?

okent
05-31-2009, 10:24
I keep waffeling back and forth between the cut out slide and solid. I just don't know if it is worth waiting for the solid slide. I won't be working up some major power loads so I don't think I really NEED the solid top. I originally wanted the solid because I was going on a trip in bear country and liked the idea of one less opening for crud to get into that could cause a malfunction, that was last year so no longer a concern.
Is there any reason you guys can think besides looks and some front sight options for the solid slide?

Thanks

DLL9mm
05-31-2009, 12:55
Are these slides for 3rd Gen G20s only?

mitchmcgee
05-31-2009, 23:01
Here are the weights for loaded slides: (no barrel or recoil assembly)

G20 => 510 grams
G21 => 471 grams
G22 => 385 grams
G23 => 365 grams
G27 => 333 grams

Cheers,

MurrayNevada
05-31-2009, 23:32
G20 => 510 grams = 17.99 oz
G21 => 471 grams = 16.61 oz
G22 => 385 grams = 13.58 oz
G23 => 365 grams = 12.87 oz
G27 => 333 grams = 11.75 oz

Will the G20L slide (with cut-out) weigh the same as the G20 slide? I believe the G17 slide and G17L slide weigh the same.

LWD Armorer
06-01-2009, 09:55
I am not sure JR sent you a link or not. Here you go.

They're Here! Sorry no solid slides available.

This is the first one put together.

American Eagle 180 gr. About 1075-1100 FPS with a 6" barrel
10 Rounds @ 15 Yards 1.2060" Group. I would shoot another group and loose the two hangers ( 8 Rounds @ 0.73" ) but I am sure this says it all.

+1 (6.9) rear sight. That is the rear sight that I used in this top end. She will probably be dead on at 50 yards depending on trajectory.

+0 (6.5) rear sight, should move you to dead on at 25 Yards

I also just got off the phone with Mike from Double Tap Ammo. With a 6" barrel there 135 gr. Bullet is around 1770-1780 FPS AND how about their 230 gr. Bullet @ 1200 FPS with a 6" barrel. Go Hunters Go!

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Search.aspx?TERM=lwd-slide20

I will be checking them in all day. Just wanted to be the first to show you.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/glockm_35/LWD20L.jpg

bdc
06-05-2009, 11:40
Are these the weights of "bare" slides, or slide assemblies, which include approximately one ounce of slide parts in addition to the "bare" weight?

I would guess that these are assemblies, and do not include the barrel and recoil spring assemblies.

Anyone know? My scales are not adequate to verify.

Thanks.

eddief4
06-05-2009, 14:41
are the internal parts all the same as the stock Glock slide?
could i just swap parts with my stock slide? :dunno::wavey:

MurrayNevada
06-05-2009, 14:51
are the internal parts all the same as the stock Glock slide?
could i just swap parts with my stock slide? :dunno::wavey:

The stock parts fit perfectly. A swap is an option if you no longer need a functional G20 slide. I would probably install a new channel liner in the 20L rather than remove it from the G20. They can be easily broken if you do not have a channel liner tool.

mitchmcgee
06-06-2009, 00:24
Are these the weights of "bare" slides, or slide assemblies, which include approximately one ounce of slide parts in addition to the "bare" weight?

I would guess that these are assemblies, and do not include the barrel and recoil spring assemblies.

Anyone know? My scales are not adequate to verify.

Thanks.

The above weights were the slide assembly (sans barrel and recoil assembly)

Also, I forgot to include the G35 slide assembly:
G35 => 422 grams
G22 => 385 grams

Cheers,

JR
06-06-2009, 21:03
The slide was assembled when Dan took the weights. The barrel and recoil spring were NOT included when the slide was weighed.

Flexmoney
06-07-2009, 17:10
While good to know...that didn't answer my question...


JR,

I'd be interested to know the weight of the slides?

Stock G20 slide = ?
LWD G20 slide = ?
LWD G20T slide = ?
LWD G20L slide = ?


:dunno:

Bannack
06-07-2009, 17:49
Just spoke with Ian the other day at LWD, great guy BTW, and he also loved the sounds of my Sun Concure in the back ground.

Sure looks like this will be the first addition to my Glock 20SF that I'm getting later this week. When I order mine, I'm just going to order all new stock parts for the slide as well.

And for those that have never seen a Sun Conure click on the link:

Sun Conure Pictures (http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4DMUS_enUS319US292&q=Sun+Conure+Pictures&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=mVEsSrnhBKXgsgPr6N3nCg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title)

LWD Armorer
06-08-2009, 14:05
Weight of Slides:
All slides had just the channel liner in them, nothing else. The weight of the LWD-SLIDE20 had a lot of custom engraving ( only one I had ) but I do not think that changed anything.


Glock OEM 20 = 16.5 oz.

LWD-SLIDE20 = 16.2 oz.

LWD-SLIDE20T = 17.3 oz.

LWD-SLIDE20L = 19.7 oz.


Glock OEM 20 with OEM barrel = 21.2 oz.

LWD-SLIDE20 with LWD barrel = 20.9 oz.

LWD-SLIDE20T with LWD barrel = 22.4 oz.

LWD-SLIDE20L with LWD barrel = 25.5 oz.



All slides done with a Pelouze model SP5

Clarkbar
06-08-2009, 14:41
Weight of Slides:
All slides had just the channel liner in them, nothing else. The weight of the LWD-SLIDE20 had a lot of custom engraving ( only one I had ) but I do not think that changed anything.


Thanks for the info.

Any idea on what the Oberland Arms G21L long slide weighs in comparison to these?

LWD Armorer
06-08-2009, 15:40
Clarkbar,

My Oberland Arms 21L slide has a very thick refinish so the weight should be close.

Slide, channel liner = 18.8 oz.
Slide, channel liner and LWD 45ACP barrel = 23.7 oz.
Slide, channel liner and 10mm conversion barrel = 24.5 oz.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/glockm_35/SnakeBite.jpg

Clarkbar
06-08-2009, 18:21
Clarkbar,

My Oberland Arms 21L slide has a very thick refinish so the weight should be close.

Slide, channel liner = 18.8 oz.
Slide, channel liner and 10mm conversion barrel = 24.5 oz.


Dan, thanks for the quick answer, and the great pix! Nice gun!

Now, to business . . . you weighed the Oberland Arms G21L slide at 18.8oz and the LWD G20L slide at 19.7oz? Is this correct, and was this LWD slide the one with the lightening cut in front?

I was expecting the cut LWD-G20L slide to come in lighter than the OA-G21L slide. If the LWD unit is heavier than the OA by .9oz, then I'm not sure why everyone (myself included) is waiting for the solid-topped slides!

Do you know what the [ballpark] weight will be for the solid-topped slides?

dwebb210
06-08-2009, 19:03
Dan, thanks for the quick answer, and the great pix! Nice gun!

Now, to business . . . you weighed the Oberland Arms G21L slide at 18.8oz and the LWD G20L slide at 19.7oz? Is this correct, and was this LWD slide the one with the lightening cut in front?

I was expecting the cut LWD-G20L slide to come in lighter than the OA-G21L slide. If the LWD unit is heavier than the OA by .9oz, then I'm not sure why everyone (myself included) is waiting for the solid-topped slides!

Do you know what the [ballpark] weight will be for the solid-topped slides?

I am waiting for the solid-topped slide because the TruGlow TFO front sight
will hang over the cut out portion, which would greatly increase the
chance it could get caught on something and damage the sight, and possibly
the slide.

Flexmoney
06-08-2009, 19:30
Thanks. :)

Clarkbar
06-08-2009, 19:34
I am waiting for the solid-topped slide because the TruGlow TFO front sight will hang over the cut out portion, which would greatly increase the chance it could get caught on something and damage the sight, and possibly the slide.

Gotcha.

Tru-Glo doesn't offer adjustable TFO's, and I don't like how the length of the TFO front sight cuts your sight radius. I am planning on using the Meprolight adjustable model.

LWD Armorer
06-09-2009, 10:05
Clarkbar:

you weighed the Oberland Arms G21L slide at 18.8oz and the LWD G20L slide at 19.7oz? Yes I did.

was this LWD slide the one with the lightening cut in front? Yes it is.

Do you know what the [ballpark] weight will be for the solid-topped slides? Nope, and I don't even want to guess. I will tell you the weight when they come in.



1.1 - 1.2 oz. For the stock OEM slide parts ( guide rod, internal parts, sights. )

JR
06-09-2009, 10:09
You perfer the Mep adjustable sight over the LWD?

Lone Wolf adjustable rear sight:
<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/glockm_35/LWDCustomRearSight.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

FlyinBrian
06-09-2009, 15:22
Just got home and a box was waiting on my doorstep. Nice slide just begging to be assembled inside. 10MM long slide is a reality!

saspic
06-10-2009, 05:30
Congrats! Don't forget the pics. I am waiting on a solid top, the rarest of the rare. ;).

sevans
06-10-2009, 17:32
Hoping to get mine to the range this week:

http://www.infiniteweb.com/10mm/IMG_3326.JPG


http://www.infiniteweb.com/10mm/IMG_3307.JPG

okent
06-10-2009, 22:32
Is there any way to get these in black?

dougader
06-10-2009, 23:30
Krylon semi-flat black

LWD Armorer
06-11-2009, 09:22
Is there any way to get these in black?


When you buy your slide and barrel you can also buy a refinish at the same time. It's around 2 weeks delay.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1158

okent
06-11-2009, 22:25
When you buy your slide and barrel you can also buy a refinish at the same time. It's around 2 weeks delay.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1158

Perfect!
Thanks Dan!

Hunter1000
06-12-2009, 11:14
Hoping to get mine to the range this week:

http://www.infiniteweb.com/10mm/IMG_3326.JPG


http://www.infiniteweb.com/10mm/IMG_3307.JPG

Looks sweet!!!

Bannack
06-12-2009, 11:25
Is there any way to get these in black?

Dang who cares, I would take a red inodized slide if I could get my hands on one.

IPSC, GSSF run the steel in a Glock Space Gun..... with all the bling on it..... :tongueout:

Nah... just give me that one above :cool:

DavidinSA
06-12-2009, 18:57
I haven't assembled mine yet but it looks very well made.
Cleaner than I expected.
Once I start assembling and checking measurements, I will know more.
Everyone that owns a 10mm should have one.
With a factory glock barrel, I do not anticipate any cycling issues.

David

Neal
06-16-2009, 08:18
Weight of Slides:
All slides had just the channel liner in them, nothing else. The weight of the LWD-SLIDE20 had a lot of custom engraving ( only one I had ) but I do not think that changed anything.


Glock OEM 20 = 16.5 oz.

LWD-SLIDE20 = 16.2 oz.

LWD-SLIDE20T = 17.3 oz.

LWD-SLIDE20L = 19.7 oz.


Glock OEM 20 with OEM barrel = 21.2 oz.

LWD-SLIDE20 with LWD barrel = 20.9 oz.

LWD-SLIDE20T with LWD barrel = 22.4 oz.

LWD-SLIDE20L with LWD barrel = 25.5 oz.



All slides done with a Pelouze model SP5

If the Lonewolf 20L slide is several ounces heavier than a stock G20 slide, how will that NOT affect the function with standard pressure loads?

JR
06-16-2009, 09:35
The extra weight does affect the reliability if you are shooting gallery loads (light). In this case you would simply reduce the recoil spring weight to 11 lbs and get back on the road again. I advise shooting your favorite loads first and measure the performance by the ejected brass. If the brass is flying out 10+ feet or more, increase the recoil spring weight. If the brass is rolling off your knuckles reduce the recoil spring weight. ideally you are looking for the brass to land about 2 feet away.

Some of these guys want me to build a solid top slide? Its my guess it will come in an additional 5+ oz heavier than what we currently offer. WOW

dwebb210
06-16-2009, 17:41
The extra weight does affect the reliability if you are shooting gallery loads (light). In this case you would simply reduce the recoil spring weight to 11 lbs and get back on the road again. I advise shooting your favorite loads first and measure the performance by the ejected brass. If the brass is flying out 10+ feet or more, increase the recoil spring weight. If the brass is rolling off your knuckles reduce the recoil spring weight. ideally you are looking for the brass to land about 2 feet away.

Some of these guys want me to build a solid top slide? Its my guess it will come in an additional 5+ oz heavier than what we currently offer. WOW

5 ounces heavier, or 0.5 ounces?

No way that cut out weighs 5 ounces.

LWD Armorer
06-18-2009, 15:19
Here is a complete custom job:
Grip Reduction
Trigger job
Complete slide



http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/glockm_35/M20LGroup.jpg


http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/glockm_35/M20LGroup1.jpg

Bannack
06-18-2009, 17:53
Dang it Dan, you and Ian are gonna be bad for my pocket :rofl: should be making an order here this next week.

7.62FMJ
06-24-2009, 18:48
I guess I'm late to the party. Today I bought a 21SF and was looking for a 10mm conversion system that actually worked when I stumbled upon this thread.

JR, I think your tactical variant looks like the option I will be going with. I agree with several others that the "lightening" cut on the hood really isn't necessary but it looks OK. I would like to see some pics up of finished products with blackened option and learn more about your adjustable rear sight option.

Thanks,

7.62FMJ

Total_Recoil
07-03-2009, 06:08
range reports? what kind of reliability are you guys getting?

nickE10mm
07-06-2009, 02:00
WOO HOO!!!

I haven't visited this thread in a while ... and although I've since sold my G20 to fund another project, I'm so happy to see that LWD has finally gotten these darn 10mm longslides out on the shelves. Its been like two years now or so....? :) Better late than never. Props to JR and all for finally making this a reality.

Also, the LWD slides, even WITH the cut-outs, are HEAVIER than the OA slides.... WOW! My OA slide was a BEAST in weight.... GLAD TO HEAR that the LWD slides are even heavier. I wouldn't even bother waiting for the no-cut-out slides....

Hell, I may have to get another G20.... lol.

ADAMS
07-09-2009, 21:25
I just got a Glock 20 SF. I just dropped in a Lone Wolf Tactical 5.15" bbl. Sweet but those long slides look beautiful.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2443/3702709897_6857c575fd.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2668/3702709873_324901b181.jpg?v=0

JR
07-10-2009, 11:17
Great looking gun but the martini in the back ground has me salivating!

MinervaDoe
07-11-2009, 09:51
:popcorn:

dwebb210
07-11-2009, 10:12
So how many of these have been purchased, and have there been any complaints? Do they function well? Are they reliable?

I'm a little disappointed that they have been available for as long as they have, yet nobody is saying anything about them.

Dave T
07-24-2009, 17:47
I finally got mine up and running. It's a G20T rather than the G20L and I have a 5.3" Storm Lake barrel in it. I don't mind the slight protrusion.

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/desertarcher/2009_0723AB.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/desertarcher/2009_0723AE.jpg

Think I'm going to change the sights before long. These were just what I had on the bench when I got the slide. OK for test firing but it deserves something better.

Dave

saspic
07-26-2009, 09:18
Ach! The pictures disappeared!
I am curious Dave T, would that gun fit in the IDPA competition box with that extended barrel?
It looks (looked) nice.

Dave T
07-26-2009, 19:34
It's been a while since I attended an IDPA event. Tell me what the dimensions are and I'll measure it and see.

Dave

Dave T
07-26-2009, 19:36
It's been a while since I attended an IDPA event. Tell me what the dimensions are and I'll measure it and see.

Here's another, better picture:

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/desertarcher/DSCF0061.jpg

Dave

saspic
07-27-2009, 06:18
In addition to meeting the criteria for all equipment, pistols, with an
empty magazine inserted, must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 8
¾” x 6” x 1 5/8”.
I was just wondering, thanks. Oh, what kind of sights did you go with?

Total_Recoil
07-27-2009, 06:32
For God's sake, has anybody actually shot theirs? Range report, anybody? Is there a gag order?

Dave T
07-27-2009, 07:55
T_R,

I've shot mine since I got it back from Robar. Functioned reliably but I didn't like the feel of the slide with the stock spring. Got a 20# ISMI spring and rod and installed them. Waiting on an ammo order to to a more extensive test. If I can get my chrono working I want to check velocities from the 5.3" Storm Lake barrel.

Dave

Total_Recoil
07-27-2009, 08:23
thanks dave

ampdog
08-12-2009, 15:50
Any update on the solid top slides?

saspic
08-15-2009, 02:17
Originally posted by JR on May 28, 2009

We have been developing a new fully adjustable rear sight for the Glock slides. These prototype slides do not include a rear dove tail cut. When I changed the current 20T & 20L order to include a few "solid slides" the machinist assumed I was referring to the special order "no dove tail". I was told we would be receiving "solid slides" when in fact we received "no dovetail". Chalk it up to miscommunication.

This is not the end of the world. I will have another run started in a month or so and this time include a few "solid slides" for real. My guess is they will be about 4 months out.

If this is correct it sounds like they would be available in early October. I sure hope they are! :)
P.S. Would that be in time for deer hunting season? I'm not a hunter.

JR
08-16-2009, 15:14
Sorry, the solid slides are delayed. i may have an update by the end of the month

saspic
08-16-2009, 23:13
Ah, okay. Well, please do keep us apprised. Thanks, JR.

unleashed
08-19-2009, 01:13
I have been reading about folks wanting to get these slides without the cutouts in the top to ADD weight to the slide! Not sure if you all are thinking about simple physics on this one....the slide isn't static so all that weight is moving when the pistol fires, increasing recoil. You have to increase the recoil spring weight to counteract the slide moving rearward and just increase recoil even more. The only way to reduce felt recoil is to increase static weight and redcuce reciprocating weight. Quit asking for a manufacturer who took 2 years to get the original model of slide into our hands to make a special one that accomplishes nothing.

nickE10mm
08-19-2009, 01:23
I have been reading about folks wanting to get these slides without the cutouts in the top to ADD weight to the slide! Not sure if you all are thinking about simple physics on this one....the slide isn't static so all that weight is moving when the pistol fires, increasing recoil. You have to increase the recoil spring weight to counteract the slide moving rearward and just increase recoil even more. The only way to reduce felt recoil is to increase static weight and redcuce reciprocating weight. Quit asking for a manufacturer who took 2 years to get the original model of slide into our hands to make a special one that accomplishes nothing.


Right.... plus, from what I hear, the slides with cutouts are actually ALREADY heavier than the old Oberland Arms slides a few of us used to have. At this point, I don't even see a need anymore for the solid slides other than looks alone.

Dave T
08-19-2009, 08:04
As the owner of one with the G34/34 style cut-out I can say it is heavy enough as is. Heavier than it's companion G20 with the factory slide. A sold long slide would be heavy enough I would think about an all steel gun instead. My $.02.

Dave

.45Super-Man
08-19-2009, 17:37
I also have to think that the cutout would help with heat dissipation as well. Personally, I think an s/s barrel and slide with the window look great.:cool:

ampdog
08-21-2009, 09:10
I have been reading about folks wanting to get these slides without the cutouts in the top to ADD weight to the slide! Not sure if you all are thinking about simple physics on this one....the slide isn't static so all that weight is moving when the pistol fires, increasing recoil. You have to increase the recoil spring weight to counteract the slide moving rearward and just increase recoil even more. The only way to reduce felt recoil is to increase static weight and redcuce reciprocating weight. Quit asking for a manufacturer who took 2 years to get the original model of slide into our hands to make a special one that accomplishes nothing.

If LWD didn't want to make the slide I would have to assume they would have told all of us NO. If LWD has no reason to produce the product I would hope they would say so rather than keep all of us waiting.

I have my reasons for wanting it, which I don't feel the need to justify. As I am sure other do too.

When I start spending your money, maybe you can tell me what I should want.

SAWMAN
08-21-2009, 12:28
I want,I want,I want.......

I want a slide with NO FREAKIN' CUTOUTS. Is that ok with everybody ?? I think that the slides with cutouts are beyond fuglie. I also want a black slide. I understand that I am the only person in the world that wants this but....well....I still do.

My Glock 20 is a hunter. It has a 6" Glock OEM bbl. I want to use Truglo,TFO's. I do not want the cool factor,I do not care about recoil. I am not a girlie man.

I truly wish that Glock would come out suddenly with a long slide in black. That would make the people that just can't seem to get 'er done, but have been promising for the last 2 years or so,sit up and take notice. Serve 'em right too.

Thanks fer nutin'(yet).

saspic
08-24-2009, 16:05
Oh my heck! This is post # 666 of the GLOCK 20 Longslide thread.

JR-the delay has become...
...unholy:tbo::devildance:



(just kidding, just kidding)


P.S. SawMan, you're not the only one that wants a 6" G20 longslide in black with no cutout and an OEM barrel. Though I won't use TFO's on mine.

Total_Recoil
08-24-2009, 18:34
You can use an OEM barrel on the slides as it is now right?

saspic
08-26-2009, 14:09
Yes, the GLOCK 6" barrel works with the stock 4.6" slides, it just sticks out about 1.4".

If you were referring to the GLOCK barrel and the Lone Wolf longslide with the cutout, I don't see any reason why not, but I don't think anyone's posted a report on that in this thread.

Total_Recoil
08-27-2009, 00:23
Yeah, I was referring to using it with the LW long slides

MSgt Dotson
08-30-2009, 06:19
Ach! The pictures disappeared!
I am curious Dave T, would that gun fit in the IDPA competition box with that extended barrel?
It looks (looked) nice.

I'm not sure SSP Division allows for swapped/aftermarket/longer slides for the 20, despite the slides roughly matching 34/35 dimensions....(In fact, I'm certain they are not allowed....)

So be sure you really want it, but, not as an IDP@ pistol....

lunde
08-30-2009, 16:15
My Glock 20L photos are here: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13683528

Suburban
08-30-2009, 20:15
I'm not sure SSP Division allows for swapped/aftermarket/longer slides for the 20, despite the slides roughly matching 34/35 dimensions....(In fact, I'm certain they are not allowed....)

So be sure you really want it, but, not as an IDP@ pistol....

IIRC, the tech guy at IDPA, Amidon, said you could use aftermarket slides in ESP and CDP, but not SSP. That goes for LW G34 slides also.

Flexmoney
08-30-2009, 22:42
:whistling:

Amidon at IDPA?

VN350X10
08-31-2009, 20:45
Looks like John's infiltrating them Kyle !

uncle albert

Flexmoney
09-22-2009, 17:02
** JR - LW **

If and when you do reach 500 units of either model, provide me with documentation of such and I will help lead the charge to get them approved for USPSA Limited and Limited-10 divisions.

Options are always good to have. :)

JR
09-22-2009, 17:22
We will have no problem reaching 500 units by the end of this year.
I have no idea what you would need or what would qualify as documentation?
I have never received any help from USPSA or IDPA regarding this issue. All I am told is NO THEY ARE NOT LEGAL.

Flexmoney
09-23-2009, 01:22
We will have no problem reaching 500 units by the end of this year.
I have no idea what you would need or what would qualify as documentation?
I have never received any help from USPSA or IDPA regarding this issue. All I am told is NO THEY ARE NOT LEGAL.


JR,

Here are is the wording of the Rules from the USPSA rule book...specifically, in the back of the book under the equipment division requirements.

APPENDIX D2 — Limited Division

Special conditions:

— Any complete handgun or components with a minimum production of 500
units by a factory and available to the general public.

— A complete handgun may be approved for USPSA Limited Division after
the NROI Manufacturer’s Declaration form stating that a minimum of 500
have been manufactured and available to the general public has been submitted and NROI has inspected the handgun for compliance.

— Handguns on the Approved Production Handgun List are authorized

I'd think that...once you have a (specific) part that reaches the 500 number, it would be legal for Limited (and Limited-10) division.

VN350X10
09-23-2009, 17:18
J R,

The way I read the appendix, I would have to agree with Kyle on this.
THEY SHOULD BE LEGAL AFTER 500 UNITS ARE PRODUCED.

uncle albert

JR
09-23-2009, 21:05
The rules state complete handgun. We are offering slides only at this point. We loose this argument by default.

BTW: I had 500 pcs available from day one! The way it was explained to me we had to SELL 500.

If anybody out there wants a good holster for the T or L slides check out Holsters Plus at http://www.holstersplus.com/ Me and a few of my guys are using them now.... oh yah baby!

Flexmoney
09-23-2009, 22:02
It's not sales, and it's not complete guns. Not for Limited and Limited-10 divisions. (the CCF metal frame was giving the go ahead, for instance)

At least, that is my understanding of it. Opinions might vary.

The rules are different for Production division (which would be complete guns, at 2,000 units of a model).

If you have produced 500 units of the G20L, for instance, that component would likely be legal for Limited and Limited-10 divisions...as long as they are "available to the general public."

(It won't be a combined number for different parts though...so, adding up the G20L, G20T, G21L & G21T slides won't do it.)

Feel free to send me an email (my user name here at aol dot com). While I have no real power [insert evil laugh :pirates:]...I can bend an ear or two.

nickE10mm
09-24-2009, 06:23
If anybody out there wants a good holster for the T or L slides check out Holsters Plus at http://www.holstersplus.com/ Me and a few of my guys are using them now.... oh yah baby!


FWIW, when I had my OA Glock 20 longslide, the good people at Comp-Tac made a special run of custom longslide-fitting Belt Slide holsters for us longsliders.... full slide coverage models.... for a decent price. Give them a call... tell them Nick sent ya and that they made my longslide kydex holster and that I referred you.

JR
09-24-2009, 20:46
Go for it! What is it you (they) need for proof.... my sworn oath?

ignantmike
09-25-2009, 04:40
FWIW, when I had my OA Glock 20 longslide, the good people at Comp-Tac made a special run of custom longslide-fitting Belt Slide holsters for us longsliders.... full slide coverage models.... for a decent price. Give them a call... tell them Nick sent ya and that they made my longslide kydex holster and that I referred you.
hey nick, how about a couple of pic's of the gun and holster?.....

Davis
10-02-2009, 09:44
Wow after looking at Lunde's 20L I'm set. I was debating about the 20T vs the 20L but have decided to go with the 20L. i have almost all the internal parts now.

Thanks again JR for all your time and replies over these years.

Davis

Talyn
10-02-2009, 14:47
My LWD 20L slide took alot of work from my gunsmith to run. Alot of tight areas that required work. Alot of FTF until he got it cleared up and some hic-cups until we ran a few boxes of rds thru it.

But I used a LWD 6" barrel and not the Glock 6". Both the LWD 20L slide and 6" barrel are fine quality but tight tolerances that required extra work to run.

My .02

saspic
03-26-2010, 12:41
The latest Lone Wolf Dist email started off with the following:
The M20 Long Slides are back in stock. Don't miss out, order on-line today
I called this morning (26 March 2010) and was told there are no solid top slides in this batch of GLOCK 20 longslides.:sigh:

Yeah, at this point I'm so accustomed to disappointment, my hopes were never really up to begin with.

However, the sales rep said they could be available as soon as "the middle of next month". He didn't hesitate and didn't sound unsure at all.

What's that strange feeling stirring in my heart? Could it be...a glimmer of hope?

Oh no! Not again!

I'm losing it. :therapy:

JR
03-26-2010, 15:11
The 20L slides arrived last Monday. I received a couple hundred of the standard and about 40 pcs with solid tops. UNFORTUNATELY my machinist was SLIGHTLY confused and did not cut the rear sight dove tail in the solid slides. I shipped them back immediately and expect them to start shipping to our "beloved patient" customers in 2 weeks or less.

If you want a solid slide I recommend you place your order now. During check out you will see a comment section. This is where you tell us you want a solid slide, not the standard.
Note: Your card will not be charged until the product actually ships. Parts availability changes by the hour. When you place your order you will see what is in stock and what is not. If you choose to ship your order complete it will hold until everything is back in stock. Do not whine to me about delays if you choose "ship complete".

If you are in a hurry to receive your order, I HIGHLY recommend you take what we have in stock now and find what we do not have elsewhere.


Talyn: I have no idea what parts would need fitting? BTW: We will assemble the complete top end plus test fire for $25.

saspic
03-28-2010, 16:47
Fantastic! Thank you J.R.
I placed my order with the comment as suggested.
Wow. It's finally happening. :cool:

219paul
04-03-2010, 21:20
Fantastic! Thank you J.R.
I placed my order with the comment as suggested.
Wow. It's finally happening. :cool:

Don't get too excited...I ordered a 10mm - .40 conversion barrel last November and still haven't gotten it yet. Stil back ordered!!!

ampdog
04-26-2010, 10:32
Any Updates on the Solid Slides?

JR
04-26-2010, 10:45
The solid top slides are in-hand today. If you had one on BO, it should be shipping this week

Meathead9
04-26-2010, 10:55
Sent you a pm JR...

LWD Armorer
04-28-2010, 13:28
Here they are:

20L Solid
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=80618&TERM=lwd-slide


21L Solid
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=80619&TERM=lwd-slide


24 Solid
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=80620&TERM=lwd-slide

Any one who had these slides on black order was charged the old price at $224.95.
We raised the price because of the special handling, they were a pain in the butt.

saspic
04-28-2010, 21:28
Excellent. I'm sorry it was such a hassle. We were very upfront about what we wanted, going several years back. :whistling:

Anyhow it's exciting to finally see the outcome of this project. Thank you LW guys for filling a void in the GLOCK marketplace. You turn wishes into reality!

Good job.:bowdown:

nickE10mm
04-29-2010, 15:37
Here they are:

20L Solid
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=80618&TERM=lwd-slide


21L Solid
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=80619&TERM=lwd-slide


24 Solid
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=80620&TERM=lwd-slide

Any one who had these slides on black order was charged the old price at $224.95.
We raised the price because of the special handling, they were a pain in the butt.


Wow, talk about the culmination of YEARS of work.... lol. Good to see the solid slides making it out..... I may have to get myself one someday....

Total_Recoil
04-29-2010, 21:12
Here they are:

20L Solid
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=80618&TERM=lwd-slide


21L Solid
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=80619&TERM=lwd-slide


24 Solid
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=80620&TERM=lwd-slide

Any one who had these slides on black order was charged the old price at $224.95.
We raised the price because of the special handling, they were a pain in the butt.

Are the solids black (oxide?) by default, unlike the open tops?

Fire_Medic
04-29-2010, 21:14
Are the solids black (oxide?) by default, unlike the open tops?

The black oxide is an option which can be added to any LW barrel or slide, or you can have your factory Glock slide and barrel refinished as well.
:wavey:

Mik
05-07-2010, 15:08
Just wanted to thank JR and Lone Wolf for making this project happen! Even though it might have been a serious headache, I am very happy you all were able to this done! I have my solid slide and am very happy with it. JR helped clear up a rectify a minor error on my order (thanks JR!) and all is well. I hope to have my slide up and running for testing next week. I am one happy camper!

gatorboy
05-08-2010, 09:56
Got mine and I'm impressed, every bit as good as my caspian 35 slide. There are a couple minor, shallow scratches in the side but I think they'll come right out, plus I'm having it finished. It weighs exactly 3oz. more than the 20 slide, weighed without the guts but the regular 20 slide had the guts in. Maybe 3.5 oz. max heavier? Should work nicely with a 18-20 pound spring if it gets 100+ fps with the 6" barrel. Thanks LWD.

bdc
05-10-2010, 15:01
Thanks to Mike McNett for all his pedal-to-the-metal load developments that scream for hunting length barrels, plus a sizable increased slide mass.

Thanks to ColoradoGlocker for sharing his experiences in developing his longslide 45/10mm Glock.

Thanks to Turbonatr for his 45Super discussions.

Thanks to Thegman for his 45Super load developments.

Thanks to Amber at www.glockstore.com for being the sane and ethical buffer between a rock and a hard place.

bdc
05-11-2010, 13:25
Genuine thanks to LWD for “Gitten-er-done!”.

FINALLY!

Glad I share a good number of their interests.

JEEZ, what an ordeal!

This technology and product have been done before. So, at best, this is an improvement of an old proven product. Specs were predefined by existing products and quite specific customer comments.

MAN ALIVE! The Manhattan Project took less time!

My years of bad experiences with LWD indicates that slow learners can succeed (slowly) if hundreds of quality customers ever demand fairness, focus, and then improvement.

HEAVENS, how this long uphill slog has tried my soul!

Thanks to LWD for their modest bribe demand to refrain from defacing a perfectly good Korean slides with a cheap, butt-ugly laser etch logo. Same goes for those well made Korean barrels!

Good and safe shooting to all!

JR
05-11-2010, 13:45
Technology done before...? Where do you think the original G21 long slides came from? My very good friend Frank Satzinger from Oberland of course. Who do you think OWNS the prints to thoes slides? (LWD) Barsto had a few slides however the Lions share went through LWD only.

I cant wait for the evaluation of our TimberWolf frames.... BTW: Are they Korean too?

nickE10mm
05-11-2010, 14:56
Technology done before...? Where do you think the original G21 long slides came from? My very good friend Frank Satzinger from Oberland of course. Who do you think OWNS the prints to thoes slides? (LWD) Barsto had a few slides however the Lions share went through LWD only.

I cant wait for the evaluation of our TimberWolf frames.... BTW: Are they Korean too?

I DID Know that most of the OA slides came THROUGH LWD but I didn't know that Oberland and LWD (or their "owners") were so close. Interesting stuff. Good to know for the sake of the product, as well.

JR
05-11-2010, 15:15
I only stated the above because rumors seem to get fabricated from nothing.

I have been in the Glock parts business a l o n g time.... Lots of connections, lots of friends.

Mik
05-12-2010, 18:01
Too much drama, not enough pictures...

Haven't shot it yet, but it's ready for test firing!
http://members.shaw.ca/mikjk/Firearms/Handguns/10mm/20L%2001.jpg
http://members.shaw.ca/mikjk/Firearms/Handguns/10mm/20L%2003a.jpg

Neal
05-12-2010, 19:57
Hey Mik, Looks like you have a solid 6" slide there, I would love to see a range report and how is functions with a few different brands of factory ammo. Please let us know. :) Also, do you remember me? I think I loaned you my American Handgunner Annual on the 10mm back in the 90's. You returned it to me and I still have it. :)

Mik
05-13-2010, 08:45
Neal, yes I do remember and thanks again! Been a long time. eh? I'll post how the test fire goes. I have limited factory ammo, so don't expect too much in that regards.

I finally got he other pic to work in the previous post.

Mik
05-15-2010, 18:41
Did a quick trip to the range. Before I get started, let me say that I expected to have some problems with the long slide build as there is not many references I can turn too. As this was just a trip to fire the pistol, I didn't expect too much reliability. All ammunition used was factory.

I started out with 10 rounds of 10mm in a dedicated 10 round magazine. This is one of the early 10 rounders. I started out with 10 rounds and found that the pistol would not chamber when feeding from the magazine. The chamber of the barrel is VERY tight. I fired the ten rounds and had to hand feed them all. The recoil spring used was a stock G20 spring and when the last round was fired, it locked the slide to the rear. Spent cases ejected without a problem.

I then tried the .40S&W barrel and had a little better success. Initially, I had the same issues as the 10mm barrel, but the feeding improved... well, better than the 10mm. The .40S&W rounds began feeding almost all the way into the chamber. I would have to give the rear of the slide a smack to get it to fully chamber. The .40S&W barrel's chamber is also tight, but seems to be little more forgiving than the 10mm barrel. Spent cases ejected without a problem.

To say the least, a break in period is going to be needed. I will also have to diagnose what exactly is causing the FTF issue. I will have to try different mags, but I don't think this is the issue. I will also take a close look at the extractor, breach face, and chambers of the barrels. My initial assessment is that the extractor might be the major cause of the FTFs. Almost all the 10mm barrel malfunctions had a similar look. The extractor hook hadn't slipped over the rim of the case. I also noticed that the chamber of the 10mm barrel became EXTREMELY fouled with the PMC ammo. What appeared to be unburnt powder or residue was visibly present in copious amounts. So much so that I could hardly chamber a round due to the tightness of the chamber and fouling. This was not so much an issue with the .40S&W barrel. Most rounds needed a push to close the action, but I still had the same extractor issue. I also had ejected cases hit me in the head (I was wearing a hat), both forehead and top of the head. I think this is due to either the extractor or the recoil spring weight. I'll start out by changing out the extractor and see if this helps... seems the most logical step.

Accuracy was very good. All rounds were fired at 30 feet, standing. Constantly fixing the feed jams didn't help me stay consistent, but I was able to keep the groups I shot for group within 1.5" (5 rounds). Only three loads were tested for group... I didn't have much time. the PMC Starfire JHP 180gr grouped at a little over 1.5". Hornady 200gr TC gave the best group at less than an inch (3 rounds in one hole measuring less than .5"). I also fired the .40S&W barrel for group using Speer Gold Dot JHP 180gr and had a group right at 1". I'm sure accuracy will improve once the FTF issue is resolved.

Felt recoil was minimal for the .40S&W... almost like a 9mm. Very easy to shoot. 10mm recoil was pleasant, even with the relatively hot Hornady 200gr rounds. The pistol points naturally and I didn't notice the weight. The weight did help bring the sights back on target noticeably quicker than a stock G20/G29.

If anyone else has a range report, please post. Also, I am very open to any suggestions of what might be causing my FTF issues.

Sorry, no pics. I won't be able to do anymore testing for another two weeks.

JR
05-15-2010, 19:31
I looked at your pics again. Please verify the slide & barrel fit are flush. The pic looks like the barrel hood is sitting low.
Verify both barrels function correctly in the factory slide.
Take a good look at your factory slide & extractor. Does the LWD look the same? We had a few isolated issues with extractor hole location early on. This may be a repeat of an old issue.
Verify the extractor is not hitting the barrel ramp.
If you are still having issues return the slide & both barrels so I can look them over

saspic
05-15-2010, 19:35
Mik, I can't believe you got your solid top longslide up in Canada and I haven't gotten my order down in Texas yet. Ahh c'est la vie. Thanks for the range post (and your neglected 10mm firearms page. I still peruse it from time to time).

Well, first of all, what kind of barrel are you using? I will use GLOCK's own 6" 10mm hunting barrel, which is pretty open. Have you polished the feed ramp? I do this to all my barrels with a felt tip on my Dremel, low speed and some low abrasive metal polish.

Perhaps a heavier recoil spring could help the slide go back into battery? Like you I hope to use the stock recoil spring, but if it's not going into battery...

Do you have 15 round magazines? I don't know about the laws in Alberta.

Would a heavier magazine spring make it easier or harder for the slide to chamber the next round?

Either way, good luck.

edited to add: Oh, JR beat me to the punch. Well he obviously knows more about this than I do.

Neal
05-15-2010, 20:34
Mik,
My thanks to you also for the range report. Please keep us posted on your quest to get the new slide and barrel running right.

_The_Shadow
05-15-2010, 20:57
Mik, Hello again! I don't have the long slide, but the lonewolf conversion barrel I have is also very tight even when clean as a whistle. The edges around the chamber is not radiused and some polishing of the entrance of the chamber may help feeding. You could look at the extractor with an empty case by sliding it up from underneath to see if it meets any resistance while sliding up in to position. If it catches it might be problematic, also the breech face may need to be polished smooth. Dremel with felt cone and jewlers rouge might slick it up in tos areas.

Best of luck!

Mik
05-15-2010, 23:11
Thanks fellas! Keep the ideas rolling in.

I did change out the extractor, but the FTF issues persisted. I tried a converted 15 round mag (only allowed 10 rounds up in the Great White North...) and I can pretty much rule out the mags as an issue. I definitely think it is an issue with the barrel.

JR, I'll check on the things you mentioned when I get back from my course.

The Shadow, I was thinking the same thing about having the mouth of the chamber radiused ever so slightly. It is rather sharp. I won't do this till I test and eliminate the other potential issues.

Sapic, the barrel is a Lone Wolf barrel.

I will check on the thread while I'm on course, but I won't be able to work on the issues until I get back.

nickE10mm
05-15-2010, 23:56
Mik,

I'm out of town so I can't go into detail until at least tomorrow night but I can tell you, from my OWN experience, that it sounds like the EXACT same issues as my old G20 longslide (Oberland Arms) in which the extractor was wayyyy too loose. The cause in my situation, however, was due to the fact that I was using a slide designed for a .45 with a 10mm conversion barrel (barrel hood was .45 breech width).

From what I've run into, it really takes a VERY tight barrel to ruin a whole shooting outing...so much that it is almost unlikely. Even the tightest Lone Wolf, KKM and Barsto barrels will normally feed despite their chamber mouths being a bit sharp.

Also, I think you are walking a slippery slope upping the recoil spring rate over 20-21 lbs because, while it will help feed the round a but stronger, it will also shorten the recoil stroke, possible putting you back at square one.

I would keep trying to address the extractor and breech face issue. I'm sure JR will be a big help for ya, too.

Keep us posted.

VN350X10
05-16-2010, 14:40
I had feed & chambering issues with a KKM barrel in a G20, setup in an open class race gun.
The solution was to take 2, new factory rounds, chamber & fire them. (must be BRASS cases)
Taking the spent cases, I drilled out the primer pockets & installed a 10-24 socket head cap screw, threads out of the base of the case. locked tight with a nyloc nut.
I then used Clover valve lapping compound (600 grit) on the first case for my abrasive, put it in a variable speed drill & lapped the inside of the chamber, with pressure applied to open the bottom of the chamber just a very small amount.
The second case was charged with 1200 grit & the process repeated.
When I was done, the interior of the chamber was as smooth as if it were chrome plated & the chamber was now "egg" shaped, by about .0015".
This was enough to permit proper chambering.
My take on your problem is that like my KKM barrel, your Lone Wolf is very tightly chambered, to the point of causing FTF with various reloads. Just the opposite of the stock "garbage mouth" that will feed anything as long as the caliber is close !
Don't over-do it, go slow & take frequent measurements.
Hope this helps.

uncle albert

okent
05-19-2010, 22:14
I have a long slide G20 with a factory Glock 6" barrel.
Have had trouble with 4 or 5 out of every 50 rounds of factory 180 gr American Eagle ammo failing to go into complete battery. I have put 150 through the gun.
Hangs up with just a fraction of an inch left to go forward.
I polished the breech face tonite and will give it another run tomorrow.
Also have tried a 20# recoil spring but there just seems to be a little too much friction when that barrel is starting to tilt back up when going into battery.
I can replicate this hangup with the gun pointed up and slowly moving the slide forward after the trigger is pulled.

I even polished the locking block. What causes this friction?

Any thoughts on what to try now?
Not *****ing, just trying to get this working.

Flexmoney
05-20-2010, 09:29
I have a long slide G20 with a factory Glock 6" barrel.
Have had trouble with 4 or 5 out of every 50 rounds of factory 180 gr American Eagle ammo failing to go into complete battery. I have put 150 through the gun.
Hangs up with just a fraction of an inch left to go forward.
I polished the breech face tonite and will give it another run tomorrow.
Also have tried a 20# recoil spring but there just seems to be a little too much friction when that barrel is starting to tilt back up when going into battery.
I can replicate this hangup with the gun pointed up and slowly moving the slide forward after the trigger is pulled.

I even polished the locking block. What causes this friction?

Any thoughts on what to try now?
Not *****ing, just trying to get this working.


Since it is a factory Glock barrel, the chamber is probably properly cut already. But, I'd check that anyway. Just take the barrel out and drop a few rounds into the chamber for a quick check. They should go in flush, past the barrel hood. And, they should drop out readily.

As for the rest of it...I'd likely take it apart and get out a sharpie (or blacken things up with candle soot), put it back together...cycle it a few times...take it apart again and see what is rubbing where.

okent
05-20-2010, 15:32
Shot another 50 today and no problems.
Looks like smoothing the breech face helped.
I bought a case of 10mm and have another 800 to go so that should
continue to smooth out the rough edges.

Mik
05-23-2010, 12:04
I looked at your pics again. Please verify the slide & barrel fit are flush. The pic looks like the barrel hood is sitting low.
Verify both barrels function correctly in the factory slide.
Take a good look at your factory slide & extractor. Does the LWD look the same? We had a few isolated issues with extractor hole location early on. This may be a repeat of an old issue.
Verify the extractor is not hitting the barrel ramp.
If you are still having issues return the slide & both barrels so I can look them over

JR,

- You are correct that the barrel is not flush with the slide.
- Both factory and a .40S&W LWD barrel sit just below flush and have functioned 100% in the past in my stock G20s.
- there appears to be more material between the extractor hole and the firing safety hole in the LWD Slide when compared to a factory Glock slide. I can't get my caliper to fit the small space of the extractor slot, but it is visually noticeable.
- The extractor is not hitting the feed ramp or any part of the barrel.

JR, any suggestions? My thought is that the area in from of the barrel hood needs to be filed ever so slightly to bring the barrel up and almost even to the top of the slide. My 40-10 LWD 6" barrel sits higher in comparison to the 10mm barrel. As for the ejector problem, I think if I can polish the surface of the breachface, I might be able to make it smooth enough for the rim of the cartridges to slip under the extractor. I don't want to do anything that will void my warranty though.

Anyone else put their longslide together and testfire yet? Your experiences, specifically feed reliability, would be greatly appreciated.

_The_Shadow
05-23-2010, 17:37
Mik, if you need to shorten the area of the barrel hood, I use a nice flat honing stone with some oil. This tends to polish and remove metal ever so slightly to insure you don't remove too much, too fast!

Best of luck!

Mik
05-23-2010, 19:15
Well, I had some time today to look at the pistol to see if anything stood out as the problem. I found two things.

The 10mm 6" LWD barrel seems to have an issue. I compared the 10mm 6" barrel to the .40S&W barrel 6" LWD, G20 stock barrel, and a .40S&W conversion 40-10 LWD barrel. I found that the top of the chamber mouth, just below the hood, has an edge on the 10mm 6" LWD barrel. In comparison the rest of the barrels had chamber entrances that met the hood in a smooth continuous flow. When chambering a 10mm round, the top edge of the case gets hung up on this edge. Even a .40272 round chambered in the 10mm 6" LWD barrel gets hung up on this edge.

The other issue is something I'm not 100% sure on, but it definitely is an area that seems to be an issue. As I confirmed with JR in the above post, the extractor hole for the extractor may be out of spec. It appears that the extractor is not forward enough to give enough clearance for the extractor to slip over a case feeding from the magazine. I compared the operation with my other G20 slides/pistols, and I am convinced that this is contributing to the feeding issue.

The malfunctions I am getting are all the same. The round is fed from the magazine and stripped from the magazine by the stripper bar (not that kind...). As the slide moves forward, it picks up the back end of the case and this is where I get the malfunction. The extractor does not slip over the case and the top of the case makes contact with the edge of the chamber mouth, where the chamber mouth meets the hood.
When I attempt to clear the jam, I have to extract or move the slide to the rear. One of two things happen. The round is jammed into the rear of the barrel and is quite stuck there. I need to remove the magazine and pop the round out with my finger nail tip. The extractor does not hold the rim of the cartridge. The second type is when the case does enter the chamber but cannot go further because the extractor only has partially slipped over the rim of the cartridge. When I extract to clear the round, the round is held at an angle as I retract the slide and does not sit flush on the breach face. This does not allow the ejector to punch the round out and I have to lock the slide to the rear and help the round out. The round sometimes does eject, but barely has enough force impacted on the base of the round to clear the ejection port.

Solutions. Carefully file and smooth away the chamber mouth to meet the hood. As for the extractor issue, It might be more serious... unless JR has a solution from when this happened before, I don't really see an easy fix. The only thing I can think of to make the extractor work properly is to file the inside of the extractor hook so that there is enough room for the rim to fit. This is not really a solution because the heat treat and strength of the metal would be compromised.

I don't see any other issues affecting feeding. The top of the barrel could be filed to bring the barrel up, but I don't think this will help with feeding. It might be affect something else, but right now it doesn't concern me too much as I am concentrating on the FTF issue.

A little long, but I hope everyone gets the idea. Again, if you have a long slide and it works or doesn't please contribute to this thread with a brief blurb.

Thanks

JR
05-23-2010, 20:32
If the bullet impact is to POA I would not lower the barrel hood. If it is shooting high we can lower the hood and make it flush with the slide at the same time.
If the extractor looks close to the breach face you can remove material from the extractor easier than the breach face... But whatever works for you is good enough
If the extractor is not hitting the feed ramp I think a few more rounds and a little polishing will do the trick.

If you get tired of futzing with it, return the complete top end to me and I will get it going.

Mik
05-23-2010, 22:08
JR, Thanks for your help. I'll fuss with it a bit longer. It's a total be-atch to ship it through the international border. I'll keep updating. I'm going to try polishing the breach face and then move onto taking the edge off the chamber mouth. I'll see about the extractor issue... hopefully modifying the extractor will do the trick. I'll start by polishing it first, before I start removing metal.

JR
05-24-2010, 09:39
I completely forgot you are up north. Don’t ship it back cause I fear customs will nail it for sure.
Worse case scenario, bring it back across the border the next time you visit and ship it from this side. That way I will get it for sure.

Mik
05-26-2010, 14:59
Success! Here's what I did.

I had to smooth out the chamber mouth by the hood of the barrel on the 10mm barrel. Once I did this, my dummy rounds fed into the chamber, but didn't quite close the slide completely. With live 10mm ammo, I would still get FTFs because the extractor is blocking the cartridge from risong onto the breachface. I would sometimes get this type of FTF issue with live .40S&W ammo, and the chamber would not close fully without help.

With the barrel issue out of the way, I moved onto why the extractor was interfering with feeding and why the chamber wouldn't close. As noted in my other posts, the extractor doesn't seem to be able to hook over the rim of the cartridge, hence the fail to feed issues. I didn't want to touch the slide's extractor hole... too expensive if I screw up. I began polished my breachface as best I could, but this didn't help. I decided I had to modify the extractor. I wanted to start out by polishing the extractor, but it became pretty obvious that I needed to remove material from the extractor hook in order for the rim of a cartridge to pass under the extractor. I carefully removed material from the extractor hook and tested often. Once I had the extractor where I wanted it, I went to do live fire tests. I'm happy to say that I'm pretty sure I have the FTF issues licked.

During live fire in 10mm, the stock Glock recoil assembly works fine with warmish loads. If .40S&W level loads are used, the ejection of the spent case is rather weak... almost dribbling out. This was the same with the .40S&W barrel. I'm sure that a lighter recoil spring rate will help with more vigorous ejection. I'll test again tomorrow with a lighter recoil spring with .40S&W level loads.

Hope this helps someone.

saspic
06-19-2010, 10:08
After everyone started getting their solid longslides, I got to wondering what was taking mine so darn long. Then I remembered: I opted for the Black Oxide coating. I called LW up early this month and confirmed that was the holdup. They said their next round of Black Oxide would happen in a week and it should ship the week after that.
Then two days ago, I realize my mail app has been junking most of my emails, including my electric bill and a tracking number from Lone Wolf! My stuff had shipped six days ago!
I clicked on the link and was surprised to learn my package was already delivered! It wasn't outside, so I looked closer and saw that my precious Longslide dream package had been...
Left with man
...in Spokane Washington. I'm in San Antonio, Texas.
:brickwall:
Not believing yet another turn of the screw was plaguing this project, I started at the UPS homepage and pasted in the tracking number. Whew! My package had gone through Spokane but was now in Colorado and scheduled to be delivered the next day!
Cut to Friday. I was getting ready to go to bed (I'm a day sleeper) when the doorbell rang. It was FedEx with a large box. I opened it to find-a replacement for my electric cat litter box. My original Cat Genie had malfunctioned and they had sent me a new one. Sigh!
I went to install it, and while I was changing the water line, the UPS guy left a small box on my porch and literally ran away. I washed my hands and found...FINALLY this:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j247/saspic/guns/Longslide-PICT0371-small.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j247/saspic/guns/Longslide-PICT0374-small.jpg
When I realized that we may not see solid top 10mm longslides again, I ordered two. Pricey, yes, but will we see the likes of these again? Only JR knows. I left one wrapped up, but the other one looks like this:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j247/saspic/guns/Longslide-PICT0381-small.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j247/saspic/guns/Longslide-PICT0377-small.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j247/saspic/guns/Longslide-PICT0391-small.jpg
The bad news is, I forgot the sights! I could have sworn I ordered a set of plain 3 dot non tritiums, but they weren't on the invoice.
I'm thinking of trying these http://blog.advantagetactical.com/, but I need to see if they work with 10 mils.
It is incredible to finally finally finally be at the end of this project. What's it been, four years?
I certainly don't mean to sound ungrateful, so let me just say to JR and the rest of the Lone Wolf crew:
THANK YOU!
I Will try to function test at the range next week.
Woo hoo!

nickE10mm
06-19-2010, 10:13
Saspic - haha! Funny story about all the deliveryman shenanigans...

saspic
06-19-2010, 10:53
It wasn't funny at the time Nick.:crying::rofl:
Anyway here are a couple of comparison pics with a stock G20:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j247/saspic/guns/Longslide-PICT0392-small.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j247/saspic/guns/Longslide-PICT0393-small.jpg
As you can tell, I don't have the time or patience to mount my camera on a tripod to get rid of the blur. Sorry.
At first the longslide was getting hung up in my holster, whether putting the GLOCK in or taking it out. I loosened it a little, and it seems to be working.
Here's what the G20 Longslide looks like in a Comp-Tac C-T.A.C. slide holster:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j247/saspic/guns/Longslide-PICT0396-small.jpg
I'm going to bed. Adios.

nickE10mm
06-19-2010, 22:11
Hey saspic, here is a pic of my old Oberland Arms longslide (for comparison)... when I still had it.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4396731973_a36acd3a23_b.jpg

ampdog
06-25-2010, 14:42
Success! Here's what I did.

I had to smooth out the chamber mouth by the hood of the barrel on the 10mm barrel. Once I did this, my dummy rounds fed into the chamber, but didn't quite close the slide completely. With live 10mm ammo, I would still get FTFs because the extractor is blocking the cartridge from risong onto the breachface. I would sometimes get this type of FTF issue with live .40S&W ammo, and the chamber would not close fully without help.

With the barrel issue out of the way, I moved onto why the extractor was interfering with feeding and why the chamber wouldn't close. As noted in my other posts, the extractor doesn't seem to be able to hook over the rim of the cartridge, hence the fail to feed issues. I didn't want to touch the slide's extractor hole... too expensive if I screw up. I began polished my breachface as best I could, but this didn't help. I decided I had to modify the extractor. I wanted to start out by polishing the extractor, but it became pretty obvious that I needed to remove material from the extractor hook in order for the rim of a cartridge to pass under the extractor. I carefully removed material from the extractor hook and tested often. Once I had the extractor where I wanted it, I went to do live fire tests. I'm happy to say that I'm pretty sure I have the FTF issues licked.

During live fire in 10mm, the stock Glock recoil assembly works fine with warmish loads. If .40S&W level loads are used, the ejection of the spent case is rather weak... almost dribbling out. This was the same with the .40S&W barrel. I'm sure that a lighter recoil spring rate will help with more vigorous ejection. I'll test again tomorrow with a lighter recoil spring with .40S&W level loads.

Hope this helps someone.

Hey Mik,

Can you post a pic pointing out exactly where you did your polishing?

I finally got a chance to build and test yesterday. I was happy with accuracy, but had some feed problems too. Extracting was fine, but often times would not go all of the way into battery. Part of me wonders if it does just need to break in more.

Also, THANKS TO JR AND LWD :bowdown:

F224
06-25-2010, 20:49
Hey saspic, here is a pic of my old Oberland Arms longslide (for comparison)... when I still had it.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4396731973_a36acd3a23_b.jpg

Who's sights?

nickE10mm
06-25-2010, 21:09
Who's sights?

Keep in mind that this slide isn't the Lone Wolf...and the front sight was just a standard Aro-Tek or something... Can't remember exactly, it came on the slide, and the rear sight is the venerable Bomar BMCS-2

Mik
06-26-2010, 17:42
Hey Mik,

Can you post a pic pointing out exactly where you did your polishing?

I finally got a chance to build and test yesterday. I was happy with accuracy, but had some feed problems too. Extracting was fine, but often times would not go all of the way into battery. Part of me wonders if it does just need to break in more.

Also, THANKS TO JR AND LWD :bowdown:


ampdog,

I don't think that polishing helped much. The greatest single thing I did to stop the FTF issues was to file the insid ehook of the extractor. If you so this, be VERY VERY careful and take only a small amount off. The bottom of the extractor can have a slight bevel to assist the rim of the cartridge to slide up and under the hook. You will need a very fine and GOOD file to to this, and go SLOW. Take a few swipes and see if feeding improves. A bit painstaking, but better than buying another extractor. If you can load a dummy round from actual factory brass, you will have better success than using an actual dummy round. I found that two different manufactures 10mm dummy rounds had thinner rims than factory brass.

Hope this helps.

F224
07-01-2010, 18:54
Guys: I just don't want to stock up on another caliber. My custom G20L (!) is up for sale...http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1237970

Davis
10-07-2010, 10:57
JR or flexmoney,
Do either of you or anyone following this thread know if the G20T or hopefully the G20L has been approved for competition matches?

It would be nice to use mine when its done.

JR
10-07-2010, 11:51
Somebody sent me a document requesting information regarding the number of pieces manufactured. I signed and returned it months ago.
I can tell you we have exceeded the 500 piece minimum production requirement on both models. I have no idea why the slides would be "outlawed"?

Glock Inc offers the 17L & 24, both support a 6.02 inch barrel. Lone Wolf offers the same thing for the 20/21 models.
Glock inc offers the 34 & 35, both support a 5.32 inch barrel. Once again, Lone Wolf offers the same thing for the 20/21 models.

Flexmoney
10-07-2010, 16:26
I have no idea why the slides would be "outlawed"? .

It's not a matter of "outlawed".

Limited division has some...limits. One of them is guns and parts need to be readily available in decent numbers. The powers that be decided that number for parts in Limited division is 500.

I heard that JR sent the paper work in, and that it was approved.

As seen on an other forum: "Well, it’s official. If there was any question before there isn’t one now. Lone Wolf has submitted all the necessary paperwork to make the G20T, G20L, G21T, and G21L legal for use in Limited and Limited 10 divisions and the NROI has approved it."

Davis
10-07-2010, 16:31
That's great news. Thanks JR for all your work,

gatorboy
10-08-2010, 07:00
Who's sights?

Keep in mind that this slide isn't the Lone Wolf...and the front sight was just a standard Aro-Tek or something... Can't remember exactly, it came on the slide, and the rear sight is the venerable Bomar BMCS-2

99% sure those are meprolight adjustables. I have a set on one of my 20's but beware the front sight is sooo tall most holsters won't work.