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MERCMADE
02-08-2007, 12:21
I dont get it.Bakit hinde umaabot ang surplus rifles na chinese, yugoslavian, russia at kung ano ano pa sa pilipinas?Ang dami sa states, mura pa $600-1000 ayos na.A friend here owns 40 assorted surplus rifles, dami pag pipiliian.Lugi ata tayo.

vega
02-08-2007, 18:34
No market in the Philippines. Law allows only 22 and shotgun for long arms. Sure they can sell it but it will be under the table and the buyer will have to wait for the amnesty. Vendors will have a hard time bringing it in (legally).

So you went to Costa Mesa?

chowchow
02-08-2007, 23:53
Mabili yan sa mga rebelde lalo na sa Mindanao.

vega
02-09-2007, 06:43
Ammos are hard to find if you have one in the Phil.

blueeagle
02-09-2007, 19:28
takot ang mga nasa itaas baka gamitin sa kanila :animlol: magagalit pati uncle sam kasi lugi negosyo n'ya.:tongueout:

anticentipede
03-04-2007, 06:13
I thought gun club members could own rifles?

What about pistol caliber carbines submachine guns and rifles, are those banned too?

I've heard that in the states, chinese made sks rifles sell for as low as 150 us dollars. That's cheaper than many handguns!!


Dito sa atin kahit wala na mga russian, yugo or chinese made rifles, these use big powerful rifle ammo anyway.

Kahit puro mga .223 m-16 caliber rifles lang pwede na yun, mas malayo pa nga ang range e, and armscor here produces the .223 round locally, so supply won't be a problem, and the cost would probably be lower too.

Anybody here buddies with the president or the first gentleman? maybe you can get the pres. to sign an eo legalizing pistol caliber carbines and rifles and .223 rifles.:)

maskytrading
03-04-2007, 06:53
It is not against the law for civilians to own Hi-Power(Any caliber with more power than the .22rimfires is considered HiPower) rifles here in the Philippines as as it is embodied in Section 2 of E.O. 194 signed by Pres. Estrada in 2000, however, the approval of licenses applied for such HiPower rifles is so selective by the Chief-PNP in Crame that the misinformation about HiPower rifles being sold and licensed only to men in law enforcement and the military has been generally accepted as true even by the gun dealers themselves.
If not for the constraint in license approvals, there is a good market here for surplus rifles from China, Yugo, Russia considering that a brand new AK47 from China will cost you 40K Php...a surplus AK/SKS/RPK/Dragunov/Simonov/Nagant etc depending on condition would be much lower... some gun dealers sell surplus/used Beretta 92s from Italy at only 19K Php.

anticentipede
03-04-2007, 07:50
Do they consider this as a high powered rifle?

http://www.p90.us/images/PS90_SBR.jpg


It uses .224 ammo.

Its not a real rifle. Its a replacement for handguns.

But i guess it wouldn't matter, its too expensive. Though i hope the chinese make copies, that's one sure fire way for the prices to go down.

I'd love to have an easy to control full auto PDW like that.

vega
03-04-2007, 09:33
Originally posted by anticentipede
I've heard that in the states, chinese made sks rifles sell for as low as 150 us dollars. That's cheaper than many handguns!!

You must be referring to Yugo SKS and not Chinese. There is a ban on the Chinese made SKS so people will hold on to theirs.

Kaiser Soze
03-04-2007, 09:50
Originally posted by anticentipede
Do they consider this as a high powered rifle?

http://www.p90.us/images/PS90_SBR.jpg


It uses .224 ammo.

Its not a real rifle. Its a replacement for handguns.

But i guess it wouldn't matter, its too expensive. Though i hope the chinese make copies, that's one sure fire way for the prices to go down.

I'd love to have an easy to control full auto PDW like that.

The P90 is a restricted FA because of its fullauto capability. Also the military issued 5.7x28mm cartridge is an AP round, so it's really meant for LEO use only.

It's not considered a high powered rifle, it's a submachine gun which is still illegal for normal gunowners to purchase...

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg13-e.htm

revo
03-04-2007, 11:09
You are screwed sa Pinas because you don't have a 2nd amendment and no NRA.

chowchow
03-04-2007, 12:28
China is still making SKS, www.marstar.ca of Canada still imports them. it was believed by many here in the States CHina exported almost 2-3 million skss into the US market from 1980s to 90s . It is still cheap to get one . I even see them stock high in boxes at gunshows last dec. for $179 plus tax. I was tempted but I already have several.

vega
03-04-2007, 13:23
http://sales.squirrelfirearms.com/sks/

My bad about the price.
Yes you can still get it at $150 or so.

revo
03-04-2007, 15:21
$150 for a Chinese SKS. Can't beat that.

navychief
03-04-2007, 18:24
yup, depending on the condition. naglalaro between 100-150 usd. but it's a good weapon. very accurate and mild recoil lang. i've shot bowling pins from about 200 yards without a scope, 1 or 2 shots lang. yun nga lang super mahal ang ammo...about 22 usd for a box of 20. a dollar each putok, aray :supergrin:

vega
03-04-2007, 18:45
Whoa, ang mahal naman ng ammo mo?
Don't you like Wolf?

chowchow
03-04-2007, 20:12
yung ammo ninyo dyan Norinco brand 7.62 x 39 ba? wala yata dyan Wolf brand.

navychief
03-04-2007, 20:37
actually, winchester brand... binibili ko sa walmart...cheaper kasi doon kesa gunshop. minsan meron mura sa gun show, mga wolf brand or other imported na brand.

navychief
03-04-2007, 20:42
Originally posted by vega
Whoa, ang mahal naman ng ammo mo?
Don't you like Wolf?

yun na ang pinakamura dito i think (walmart sells cheaper than most gun stores unless na sale sila). kaya kapag kinkalabit ko yung SKS, inay inay lang...malakas gumastos...hehehe pero accurate kaya nasisiyahan na rin dahil laging tumba ang target :supergrin:

revo
03-04-2007, 20:51
Yung Wolf sa gun show ang pinakamura po, chief.

Siguro kung napunta kayo sa Reno gun show, nakikita niyo binibenta ang dami. Mahal yung Walmart.

Yung commie (Wolf, Barnaul, etc) ammo OK sa SKS.

isuzu
03-04-2007, 20:56
What's the standard magazine capacity of the SKS? Here in Canada, it's 5 rounds. SKS are selling for CDN$139.00 from Marstar, but they're out of stock. Same with the Norinco NP29 (1911 in 9mm) which is very popular in IDPA. Ammo for the Norinco is also cheap. Marstar sells surplus Sellier and Bellot at CDN$189.95 per box of 1,120 rounds. http://www.marstar.ca/ammo-etc/am-surplus.shtm

Accessories (scope mounts) for the SKS: http://www.marstar.ca/ac-optics/mounts-semi.shtm

navychief
03-04-2007, 21:01
yup, nakita ko yung wolf pero binili ko 40 cal para sa G23 pero konti lang difference sa price ng winchester. syempre kung by bulk ang bibilin (1000-3000 rounds per ammo box) then talagang mura kahit na winchester pa.

MERCMADE
03-04-2007, 21:24
$200 US ung sks na un-issued, ung issued cheaper.10 rounds ung flush mounted, pero nakakuha dad ko ng mga detachable na 20 at 30 rounds.I like the accuracy of the SKS, ung ak di ko maitama, maybe its me though.

excuse the flyers someone shot my target, but thats actually 10 rounds from an sks
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revo
03-04-2007, 21:36
I have actually 2 SKS's - Russian Tula and Yugo. Mukha atang kinakati na naman tayo because of that posting by vega. haha.

Pero damn..saan na naman itatambak yan ? Punong puno na yung gun cabinet.

Esep...esep...esep

anticentipede
03-04-2007, 23:19
Originally posted by Kaiser Soze
The P90 is a restricted FA because of its fullauto capability. Also the military issued 5.7x28mm cartridge is an AP round, so it's really meant for LEO use only.

It's not considered a high powered rifle, it's a submachine gun which is still illegal for normal gunowners to purchase...

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg13-e.htm

So all of those machine pistols they sell in the gun show at megamall are all for police and military personnel?

I hate these stupid laws, full-auto is perfect for civilians, and even more suited for civilians than for the police or the military.

Kaiser Soze
03-04-2007, 23:37
Originally posted by anticentipede
So all of those machine pistols they sell in the gun show at megamall are all for police and military personnel?

I hate these stupid laws, full-auto is perfect for civilians, and even more suited for civilians than for the police or the military.

Yes sir, the firearms presented at the Mega Mall gun shows are for LEO only.

I don't get how full-auto is more suited for civilians though. We Filipinos live in very tight communties/houses separated by mere walls or a few meters of space. Could you imagine if someone had an M4 and used it against an akyat bahay? Sure he could get the guy/guys but he could very well hit his neighbors and pedestrians outside the house because of the penetrating power of his rounds.

Believe me, I would love to own SMG's and other exotic weaponry, but it's just not practical or safe to use in a home defense setting in the City or subdivisions. In the province where there are wide open spaces, sure, but in the city it's just too risky.

Allegra
03-04-2007, 23:43
all I know about full autos I learned from counterstrike

anticentipede
03-05-2007, 05:29
Originally posted by Allegra
all I know about full autos I learned from counterstrike

And as long as there is a ban on full automatics for civilians, we'll never get to know any real ones.

chowchow
03-05-2007, 06:40
Tama ba yung narinig ko na ang mga security agencies natin sa Pinas ay gumagamit na ng mga Norinco AKs and SKSs bec these are being imported and sold over there? Affordable sa budget nila compared to shotguns and paltil revolvers.

batangueno
03-05-2007, 06:56
Originally posted by chowchow
Tama ba yung narinig ko na ang mga security agencies natin sa Pinas ay gumagamit na ng mga Norinco AKs and SKSs bec these are being imported and sold over there? Affordable sa budget nila compared to shotguns and paltil revolvers.
Yes, they are available and cheap kaya hindi malayo mangyari.

vega
03-05-2007, 07:29
How cheap?

batangueno
03-05-2007, 07:34
Originally posted by vega
How cheap?
Nasa 25k lang.

chowchow
03-05-2007, 07:37
Originally posted by batangueno
Yes, they are available and cheap kaya hindi malayo mangyari.

batangueno, so far sino nakikita mo na nakahawag ng skss or AK dyan ? Curious lang ako kasi dito sa Tate civilian lang ang mga yan. Police dito gumagamit US made talaga like Ruger mini 14 at ARs.

chowchow
03-05-2007, 07:38
Originally posted by batangueno
Nasa 25k lang.

Is that AK 2000 ? How about SKS? SIno ang importer at dealer?

batangueno
03-05-2007, 08:01
Meron sa WSC kina deenoh.

chowchow
03-05-2007, 08:17
Original wood stock sa SKS at AK nila or polymer na?

batangueno
03-05-2007, 08:29
Wood yung nakita ko.

Kaiser Soze
03-05-2007, 08:37
Originally posted by chowchow
Tama ba yung narinig ko na ang mga security agencies natin sa Pinas ay gumagamit na ng mga Norinco AKs and SKSs bec these are being imported and sold over there? Affordable sa budget nila compared to shotguns and paltil revolvers.

Well...I saw one security guard in Batangas holding an M4-looking rifle...upon closer inspection, it proved to be a look-alike only, it was actually chambered for 9mm!!! Locally made, not a Bushmaster, my suspicions are that it's a Danao job.

chowchow
03-05-2007, 09:06
Kaya din yata ng Danao gagawa ng AK clone maybe in .223 cal.

maskytrading
03-05-2007, 21:01
Originally posted by chowchow
batangueno, so far sino nakikita mo na nakahawag ng skss or AK dyan ? Curious lang ako kasi dito sa Tate civilian lang ang mga yan. Police dito gumagamit US made talaga like Ruger mini 14 at ARs.

A police department of one of the cities (Santiago?)in the province of Isabela were issued AK47s purchased from Twin Pines Inc....a lot of law enforcement and military officers purchase AK47s here according to Twin Pines Inc. employees, that's why stocks/units don't last including M14s made in China also @40K Php per...Several security agencies here have guards that carry m16s, babys, USAS12, SPAS...Haven't seen any Mini14 yet carried by a Jaguar though.

isuzu
03-05-2007, 21:08
Originally posted by maskytrading
A police department of one the cities (Santiago?)in the province of Isabela were issued AK47s purchased from Twin Pines Inc....a lot of law enforcement and military officers purchase AK47s here again according to Twin Pines Inc. employees that's why stocks/units don't last including M14s made in China also @40K Php per...Several security agencies here have guards that carry m16s, babys, USAS12, SPAS...Haven't seen any Mini14 yet carried by a Jaguar though.

The feedback on the Chinese M-14 is very good. The receiver is forged as opposed to the later (commercial) Springfield which are cast. Someone who owns one here said that it's pretty accurate. Kaso lang, at CDN$399.00, they sell like hotcakes (and are out of stock).

maskytrading
03-05-2007, 22:34
Originally posted by isuzu
The feedback on the Chinese M-14 is very good. The receiver is forged as opposed to the later (commercial) Springfield which are cast. Someone who owns one here said that it's pretty accurate. Kaso lang, at CDN$399.00, they sell like hotcakes (and are out of stock).

It is sold here at 40K php per unit by my favorite gun dealer, however, it is also out-of-stock at the moment. After the elections and ban guns in June a few months from now, Chinese M14 imports will be available again said FA dealer advised. I just hope the price stays the same. But to be sure, I will pay my reservation fee when the stock markets get better next week.

Kaiser Soze
03-06-2007, 01:23
Originally posted by maskytrading
A police department of one the cities (Santiago?)in the province of Isabela were issued AK47s purchased from Twin Pines Inc....a lot of law enforcement and military officers purchase AK47s here again according to Twin Pines Inc. employees that's why stocks/units don't last including M14s made in China also @40K Php per...Several security agencies here have guards that carry m16s, babys, USAS12, SPAS...Haven't seen any Mini14 yet carried by a Jaguar though.

Hmmm. Could these AK's be the same one featured in a news article before? Something about the local bought a lot of AK's but when they did an inventory check of the armory, less than 1/5th was found or something?

I found another thread here on Glocktalk posted by sir isuzu

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?postid=6550658

maskytrading
03-06-2007, 02:00
Originally posted by Kaiser Soze
Hmmm. Could these AK's be the same one featured in a news article before? Something about the local bought a lot of AK's but when they did an inventory check of the armory, less than 1/5th was found or something?I found another thread here on Glocktalk posted by sir isuzu
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?postid=6550658

That's correct...those are the same AKs that I'm talking about which was originally written in a news article and which was posted by Izuzu in the thread link above. Maybe Deenoh can enlighten us on how saleable is an AK2000 even if the buyers are LEOs and Military men only(Saleability of M14s and AK47s very much in demand; inventory of its'dealer does not last long)

anticentipede
03-06-2007, 04:50
An SKS semiauto rifle for just 25K?

Thats even cheaper than a glock 19 pistol!!

Wow. Thank God for cheap chinese labor.