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We're planning a little family getaway. Florida is on our short list. CT permits are not valid in FL but maybe I can get a non-resident permit or simply keep a pistol at the condo and not carry (will have to look into the laws about that).
Does anyone know how I can transport a gun through NY state, to JFK? Does 926A (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000926---A000-.html) apply?
By Federal law you should be able to get it to the airport if its unloaded. But the idiots will probably arrest you anyways. I've heard some horror stories...
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Your BEST BET is NOT to bring your gun into NY PERIOD! Just recently a woman was arrested by a Sheriff and is now in heaps of trouble... The gun was locked etc and when she went to declare it, the woman behind the counter turned to the Sheriff and that was when she was escourted out in cuffs...
thanks guys. That's quite 'unpleasant'. Will be leaving the firearm at home.
Unfortunately, most police officers aren't aware of the Federal Law that allows transportation across state lines, as long as the gun is unloaded and locked in a case.
Originally posted by FrankRochester
But the idiots will probably arrest you anyways.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. In fact, most of us do know that you may transport your gun locked up and unloaded through our jurisdiction. I am also sure, that since they deal with this all the time, the PA police at JFK know the rules also. Have a nice day, guy.
Funny thing is that the TSA signs spelling out that you need to declare guns are posted at JFK just like anywhere else. One would hope it's OK to fly a gun in/out of JFK but where do you call to confirm it's cool? No one is going to be really impressed when you say "yeah but I called ahead and George at security said it was OK".
You may fly your gun in or out of JFK. You must contact your particular airline but the regular procedure is that it must be in your checked luggage, locked in a box, no ammo. You must bring it to the check in desk and declare it to the airline. you fill out a form. the Port Authority police will check that it is indeed unloaded. they mark your suitcase to reflect that a gun is in it (i think). Then you get it back in your luggage when you land. the bag will never reach a TSA checkpoint in the airport as you will not be carrying your gun onboard unless you are LE on offical business.
Originally posted by Nocturnal
your welcome...be sure to contact your particular airline to see if they have any other requirements that are specific to them.
Well guy... That's why a guy from Utah was arrested by a Port Authority officer when he went to do that exact same thing you described. And now he has filed a lawsuit with the help of the New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Association because they took his pistol, and also threw him in jail and charged him falsely. So like I said, they don't give a rats behind about federal law. You may be aware of the peaceable journey law, but most people aren't. And they don't care to know.
not to rain on your party but i would bet you would lose your weapon and be arrested at both JFK and LGA
I hate to rain on YOUR parade but JFK, LaGuardia, and Newark all have excellent procedures for travelling with firearms. It's done all the time and, as long as the procedures are followed, you'll be fine. Geez, you have an LEO above who told you that already. :upeyes:
Anyway, our Port Authority Cops are the best and they know how to handle these situations for law-abiding citizens. If you're going to Fla, you will need a Non-Resident permit if that is your status and that is easy to get since it is a "Shall-Issue" state.
Once again... See my post. Maybe if you have a shotgun or rifle it isn't as big a problem. But that guy was transporting a handgun lawfully. He needed to stay overnight the flight was the next day, and tried to declare it(so it would be kept for safekeeping by a local authority). And they arrested him on the spot. I have also been told that Albany airport police pull the same crap. They will arrest you if you have an unlicensed handgun. You people can choose to believe what you want, but I'll go with the NRA, and NYSRPA when they tell me about peoples horror stories dealing with local city governments that choose to ignore federal laws.
Edit: I just got off the phone with my good friend who is a NY Trooper. And I asked him about transporting a handgun across NY. He said he would arrest you on the spot for illegal possession of a handgun. The reasoning is that he is paid to enforce state law, and state law says no to out of state handguns. You would then have to go to court and prove that federal law negates the state law. So, in short. You would be arrested, booked, and your handgun would be confiscated, and you'll be prosecuted. On top of a huge bill from your lawyer to keep you out of jail. Bottom line, don't bring a handgun to NY.
Screw that check-in crap. My buddy is a LEO Instructor for a very "Well known" firearms training center and he travels all over the U.S to teach classes. Even w/ HR218 LEOSA, he finds it a hassle to carry on a plane with extended check-in procedures and idiot TSA/ Airline employees and unknowledgeable local cops. His solution is to have his teaching materials (Student handouts), videos, red-gun, and his duty gun shipped UPS or Fed Ex overnight to his destination. He only boards the plane w/ clothing in his luggage and a laptop carry-on. When he is done teaching he ships it back home fed ex/UPS overnight. He has yet to have any problems.
The only problem with that is unless he is shipping it to a FFL holder, he is breaking the law as well. As the owner of the firearm, you can only ship it to a FFL holder or the gun maker/gunsmith to do any repairs. Shipping it to yourself is illegal. Where does he ship his gun to? Maybe if he ships it to the local PD where he is instructing it is ok. But I don't know about that one.
I didn't know it was illegal. My LEO buddy has been doing this for years w/no problems. 90% of the time he is teaching @ a LEO agency so everything gets shipped to the Dept. armorer or range. The other 10% of the time he ships it to "Himself" to the hotel he is staying at. He's never had a problem in 8 plus years that he's been a Firearms Instructor for "A well known" firearms training center. Everything is packed and double locked in a big pelican case, and shipped fed ex or UPS overnight.
Hmm.. upon some research, I guess you can ship a gun to yourself. Just not to another person.
UPS Rules on shipping handguns:
Most of these stories and "I called so and so, and so and so said." is starting to smell like BS to me. Do whatever you think is best and right gents. be safe.
That's why there are lawsuits against the Port Authority for WRONGFUL ARREST. There are also problems in Albany with the airport police there. THEY ARE WRONGFULLY ARRESTING AND PROSECUTING PEOPLE! WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?? Call New York State Rifle and Pistol Association or SCOPENY. Since you think I'm telling B.S. I got into a arguement over the phone, and later that night with my trooper friend. I kept trying to explain that people can transport through the state as long as its locked up and unloaded.
From NYSRPA website:
Warning about traveling through New York airports
The District Attorney in Albany County and Queens 18 months ago issued an order to arrest anyone coming through the airports with a handgun in their luggage, regardless if the handgun was being transported properly by FAA regulations. The criteria is if you do not have a NY license, you are charged. So what's happening is 2 different scenarios:
1. People are flying into New York from other states, most but not all of whom have carry permits from their home states, and are carrying a pistol. When they go to fly home, they declare the gun, which has always been unloaded and locked up properly in their checked luggage, but if they cannot produce a NY license, they are promptly charged with illegal weapon possession, and their gun confiscated forever. (The Albany airport sheriff has been doing it as a lower class misdemeanor, the LaGuardia cases were charged as a felony.) As their home state permit is not reciprocal, and they were in NY state for an amount of time carrying a handgun, this group is screwed.
2. People are DRIVING to the airport from another state where the NY airport is their closest one to fly out of, and are getting popped right off the bat an hour or two from their home. In these cases, we are going to war for them being covered by FOPA, even the Sheriff's office and TSA in Albany have argued over that with the DA, but he won't budge. He did, however, blink on the two cases from Albany, with the people getting a walk. Didn't get their guns back, though, either time.
Bottom line, UNLESS you are in possession of a VALID New York pistol license, DO NOT bring a handgun in your luggage to the airport, you will be charged.
This is not being done in any other state in the country except at Logan international in Boston, (same thing there) but even at O'Hare in Illinois, if you come in from another state and meet FAA guidelines, they feel you are covered by FOPA and off you go a happy camper.
There you go... Queens also, that's LaGuardia... So go and shove it. Think I'm talking crap again? Here's the direct link. http://www.nysrpa.org/airportwarning.htm
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