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Mrs. VR
02-22-2007, 15:34
Someone I know is looking for links geared toward mom's with small children, who want to carry safely.

I personally have never had any qualms or issues having guns in our home, and keeping them where WE can have access, but the kids can NOT, or any doubts about carrying safely with the kids around, but I can't carry out of the house every day, so I don't know if there are specific issues or concerns someone may have. What do you ladies have on the subject?

Mrs. Tink
02-22-2007, 15:48
http://www.corneredcat.com/TOC/TOC.htm

I'm not quite sure I understand your first sentence in your second paragraph, but when I read your post I thought of this site. The "Kids and Guns" section is especially useful and touches upon carrying with small kids around. Hope this helps...

Mrs. VR
02-22-2007, 18:11
Originally posted by Mrs. Tink
http://www.corneredcat.com/TOC/TOC.htm

I'm not quite sure I understand your first sentence in your second paragraph, but when I read your post I thought of this site. The "Kids and Guns" section is especially useful and touches upon carrying with small kids around. Hope this helps... I guess I left out a comma :embarassed: what I meant was, it's not something that I've ever particularily seen as a concern, in fact, MY opinion is that having kids is MORE incentive to carry, in order to protect them, but since I don't carry on a daily basis anyway, I'm not any kind of expert on the day to day issues that might arise.

Mrs. VR
02-22-2007, 18:14
Originally posted by Mrs. VR
I guess I left out a comma :embarassed: what I meant was, it's not something that I've ever particularily seen as a concern, in fact, MY opinion is that having kids is MORE incentive to carry, in order to protect them, but since I don't carry on a daily basis anyway, I'm not any kind of expert on the day to day issues that might arise. and I think I used too MANY commas that time. :animlol: :rollingeyes:

Mrs.Cicero
02-22-2007, 19:39
when i carry in a holster on my waistband, my only worry is remembering to carry the kid on my OTHER hip. When the gun is in my purse, i have to remember to put it up where the wee ones can't get into it. and i have to practice shooting one-handed (strong side), as if i were dragging a small child away with the other. and i have to play the eddie eagle video regularly, until the kids are old enough to handle firearms responsibly.

Mrs.C

Mrs. VR
02-23-2007, 10:19
here are some specific questions my friend had:

If moms are home all day with many kids, are there special concerns about carrying. What if the baby is nursing, the toddler is getting into everything, the older one can pick locks, and developmental issues hamper another otherwise advanced child from learning gun safety?

What if the mom is not only home all day with her own children, but also watches other parent's children occasionally? What if the mom has no reasonable expectation of privacy to even go to the bathroom, without dragging at least one kid along?

How can that mom safely carry a gun on her? How can that mom be sure none of the children will ever grab it from her in a moment of fatigue when she attempts 15 minutes of sleep when all the children are apparently napping?

If the gun is locked in the safe, how can she get to it in time if ever needed? If the gun is not in a safe, but in a more quick access location, how can she be sure one of the children won't figure out how to get to it? What if some of those children are not able to understand gun safety? If she carries on her body, how can she be sure the children crawling over her will never get the chance to grab the gun?

Do women in these situtations carry? Do women typically discuss these issues? Are there websites that discuss this? Most websites seem to either talk about women carrying for self-defense (without discussing children crawling all over them) or talk about teaching children to be safe around guns (with the assumption of older children who are developmentally capable of learning gun safety). But websites do not discuss how women can safely carry while taking care of small children.



a couple of things I can add, when I"ve carried around the kids, I have carried IWB, and NO ONE was gonna be able to get it out easily and without me noticing. Also, we use a quick access safe with a numeric keypad for, obviously, quick access. I suppose a VERY unsupervised child could sit there and play with it long enough to accidentally get the right combo, but it's not something that a small child is going to just walk right up to and open in a few moments. Also, it's small, and could be put up out of a childs reach.

A child that's old enough to reach it, is also old enough to understand DO NOT TOUCH, and the safety rules.

April
02-24-2007, 10:48
I reckon I'll give these a shot... All the "you"s are general and not directed and anyone in particular. "You" in this case is the person with the gun (most often me actually) :supergrin:

If moms are home all day with many kids, are there special concerns about carrying. What if the baby is nursing, the toddler is getting into everything, the older one can pick locks, and developmental issues hamper another otherwise advanced child from learning gun safety?

The only concern I see is being sure in your own knowledge and skill with the weapon in question. If you're sure of yourself and your own safety, keeping the gun on you and concealed would present no other additional issues. Especially if any additional firearms in the house are property secured. Quality gun safes cannot be "picked" and although expensive can easily be worth their weight in gold for the peace of mind they provide.

What if the mom is not only home all day with her own children, but also watches other parent's children occasionally? What if the mom has no reasonable expectation of privacy to even go to the bathroom, without dragging at least one kid along?

That kid would have to be into some seriously personal space to see a compact pistol worn in an IWB holster. Kids, especially the younger ones, are good at accepting things as part of their environments. My son recognizes that Mommy and Daddy both put on a guns but that's the end of it... he doesn't mention it anymore. In fact he knows he doesn't touch.

I imagine it's not a big deal to the 3 yr old because it's not a big deal to Mommy and Daddy. If I made putting on and carrying a gun a large production every day, he'd remember it. As it stands, it's just a part of getting dressed.

How can that mom safely carry a gun on her? How can that mom be sure none of the children will ever grab it from her in a moment of fatigue when she attempts 15 minutes of sleep when all the children are apparently napping?

Again.. IWB. A good holster will cure a world of ills when it comes to carrying. I've slept on my gun more than once and be sure that no one is getting it out without some great amount of effort and me immediately noticing. The only real answer here is put one an and see how quickly you notice someone trying to take it away from you.

This also goes back to level of personal confidence and training when it comes to carrying and the gun itself.

If the gun is locked in the safe, how can she get to it in time if ever needed? If the gun is not in a safe, but in a more quick access location, how can she be sure one of the children won't figure out how to get to it? What if some of those children are not able to understand gun safety? If she carries on her body, how can she be sure the children crawling over her will never get the chance to grab the gun?

Way to lump a buncha questions together...

If getting to it in time is a concern, find one that can be carried comfortably and do so. On-body is safest and most secure "quick access location" I can think of.

Teaching proper gun handling to children is not the objective here, teaching not to touch is. There are things that kids don't mess with -- guns, knives, fine china, your grandmothers crocheted doilies. You get the idea.

Again! Your strong side is one you learn to protect out of instinct. The gun isn't gonna just fall out of the holster onto the floor. It's entirely possible that someone will rub up against or even touch the gun and not even notice.

Do women in these situtations carry? Do women typically discuss these issues? Are there websites that discuss this? Most websites seem to either talk about women carrying for self-defense (without discussing children crawling all over them) or talk about teaching children to be safe around guns (with the assumption of older children who are developmentally capable of learning gun safety). But websites do not discuss how women can safely carry while taking care of small children.

Short answer. Yes. It's not uncommon for me to get dressed (including gun) and go about daily activies while armed. This is especially true if I'm expecting company.

If we don't discuess these issues we should. I was raised with guns in the house and have grown to enjoy the collecting and shooting of firearms. Many of my friends and inlaws don't feel the same way. Obviously my children will be raised in much the same fashion I was.. I don't remember a time when I wasn't shooting or carefully supervised while handling a gun I would soon be able to shoot.

Safely carrying is safely carrying. As mothers of small children we're already on the lookout for what's going on around us, trying to see what could present an issue to us and our children. Carrying a pistol simply adds to our abilities to provide for the safety of ourselves and our children.

You know how to care for your kids. Learning to safely handle and carry a loaded firearm is just an extension of that.

If you're comfortable with the pistol but not with carrying it around the kids, unload it. Check is a million times and carry it, unloaded. See how that feels. Being comfortable with how it feels and how you're going to act while carrying is something that you have to learn -- and it's better to learn it with a pistol that has no rounds in it.

If you want to carry the pistol at a "loaded weight" these 'snap caps' are great. They're called Action Trainer rounds and are the same size and weight of live ammunition. The metal cases are also more kind to your pistol because they're true cases and not plastic molds which could be off some. They're available from Tactical Response Gear (http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=123_157) (which I think is a sponsor here) or S. T. Action Pro (http://www.stactionpro.net/store/) (they have the better price :supergrin: ).

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Wow then ended up long.

If there's any other questions I'll do my best to make up answers. ;)

WIG19
02-26-2007, 14:14
Originally posted by Mrs. VR
and I think I used too MANY commas that time. :animlol: :rollingeyes: Don't beat yourself up; you're now qualified to be a fledgling Major and conduct briefings using "Death by PowerPoint."
:animlol:

The whole pretext brings up some engaging scenarios. The child at feet may be a sandbag, but the child in arms can't be blithely tossed away like a fake sack of groceries at an IDPA match. Enjoy visiting here periodically, as the questions around here typically get more immediate sincere responses. Listening mode on; have at it ladies.

:patriot:

kcb
02-27-2007, 12:54
My attitude about guns has changed drastically, where children are concerned, since my husband and I married and began our family.

I was always petite, and feared that an intruder would feel confident attempting to remove the gun away from me, thus using it on me.

My husband ALWAYS worked nights when we were newlyweds and our children were growing up.

I bravely defended our home with a baseball bat. I shutter now to think of how dangerous THAT was! I had many frightening situations that I got through without any thing bad happening. Thank God!

NOW...I see things quite differently. My husband was in the military for four years so he is very much for carrying and defending ones family and self. He was thrilled to see my attitude finally change.

I am having difficulty changing my daughters' views however. They are fearful of the same things I was as they look toward having their children, now. They feel that the Baseball bat served "dear oldl mom" well. (I never had to use! Thank heaven for cordless phones and the ability to crawl around on the floor!)

All I try to tell them is it's a different world now, and it wasn't completely safe for them! They should get training and really evaluate the facts and safety of their families.

Good luck to all of the young mother's and may God Bless you all!

:hearts: :hugs: :angel:

DepDuke
03-05-2007, 13:39
Hope I can help. I have a few clients that are female and shoot. I have been able to learn from them in what I teach and how it is received. Any advice, commentary, etc., that would be needed, I'd try to see what I can do to help.

Hit my site at www.safeinrochester.com and let me know what I can do to help?

Other links are the Second Amendment Sisters at www.2asisters.org or the Liberty Belles organization