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I'm going to an event at the Delta Center tonight. A few years ago, I carried there without a problem, but the last time I went there for a concert, they had big "no firearms" signs posted at the door and a "checkpoint". From what I read on the BCI website, the Delta Center would be considered "generally accessible to the public" and therefore, can't restrict permit holders from carrying on the premises.
My question is:
Has anyone carried there recently? I'm going to a Blaze game tonight with the family and would like to know in advance what I'm in for.
Last time I went there saw "elderly gentlemen in coat jackets" waving "magic wants" over everyone. In retrospect, I don't even know if their metal detecting wands could have even been working since no one had to take off belt buckles, etc. like you would at a court building. Anyway, I got spooked and unhappily returned the Glock to the trunk of my car before entering.
I was there last Saturday for a Jazz game. Yes, they waved a metal detecting wand up and down my body as I went in. I was glad I left my weapon behind to avoid an embarrassing situation.
I went to a game in December and didn't get the wand.
I carried there with no problems.
If a guy comes at you with a wand just stick your hand out tell him you have a congenital heart defect that causes you to need a pacemaker and don't want him to come near you with it. The shock from being told what not to do will stun them for a second then just walk by like you own the place.
I went to a Jazz game last week. I didn't take a firearm, but I did bring a knife. They say they don't allow knives or firearms... Well, the wand didn't pick up my CRKT M16. Not sure I would try carrying a firearm, but I think it could be done... but not with great ease.
Went to the game and walked right past all the giant "no firearms of any kind" signs, through the will-call entrance downstairs. The guys at the doors were checking anyone with a handbag, but I just walked right by since I wasn't carrying a bag. They didn't have any "magic wands". They may have had some at the other entrances. I was all ready to use the "congenital-heart-defect
pacemaker-don't-wave-that-thing-near-me" deal, but didn't end up having to use it. Next time, I'll look again for an entrance without the magic wands and just go for it.
This was my first arena football game and it was an experience. The game plays completely different when the field's only 50yds long a quite a bit narrower. Seems like a good family event too, since the tickets are much less than for the Jazz.
I've been told by fellow LEO's that the Delta Center sometimes will not allow off-duty carry by LE. I've always slipped through. I know that the West Valley hockey arena is strict all the time.
As an LEO, have you ever heard of someone being "caught" trying to enter with their CCW? From my understanding, a "secure area" as defined by Utah law must provide a "locker" for firearms, and the entity providing such should be responsible for the firearm while under it's care.
Utah law also states that a secure area cannot be enforced in a place that is normally open to the public.
At the Delta Center, signs are present, "security" checks everyone to some extent while entering, but where are the storage lockers? If someone were "caught" trying to enter with their CCW, would they be escorted to a storage area for weapons, or would the police be called and the person in question be arrested? Is the Delta Center not "normally open to the public"?
I'd really like to know exactly what would happen in these circumstances. It's been show by several people on this board that it's possible to enter with a CCW...but is it prudent and on which side would the great state of Utah fall if and when "push comes to shove".
Energy Solutions [sic] Arena isn't a "secure area". The laws in question only apply to government facilities. That is to say, if Larry Miller does not want you packing in his arena, he has the say so. Don't like it, write a letter to the editor.
For what it's worth, I just don't go places where I can't carry.
Those wands vary a lot in sensitivity and the better ones can be "tuned" to pick up specific types of metal. When my wife and I went to the Olympics downtown in 2002 I had two roles of black and white film in my pocket and the wand even picked up the silver from the film. Now that's sensitive.
Your mileage will vary with the wands at the Delta Center/Energy Solutions arena. I'd just do my best to stay away from them.
So what would happen if you went up to one of these wanders produced your carry permit and said something like "I'm kosher" think that would work? I've always wondered about that. Probably not. Sometime when I'm feeling bold maybe I'll try it.
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