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G-19
04-04-2007, 18:56
I was recently in Indiana, and I looked up the packing.org page. I am not clear on where I can carry there. Can you carry in an establishment that sells alcohol? What is off limits?

Thanks for your replies.

joedoc
04-04-2007, 20:24
Mark, I am also travelling to Indiana from Ohio--I was about to look up reciprocity rules but do you know them already? From your question I would infer that I can carry in Indiana?

IPDBrad
04-04-2007, 20:45
You can carry in Indiana with any valid out of state permit, and you can carry in businesses that serve alcohol.

IronHorseman
04-04-2007, 20:46
Bars are not off limits. I`m pretty sure we recognize Ohio carry licenses.

boilergonzo
04-04-2007, 22:14
Indiana honors the permits of other states. You may carry in bars or places that serve alcohol, but a wise person would also know that drinking prior to a self-defense shooting may not look good to a jury...

Off limits are all school property (K-12 public and private), casinos, State Fairgrounds during the State Fair (other times it hosts gun shows!), and not allowed by the feds in federal buildings (Post Office, Social Security,etc.) and secured areas of airports, etc.

If there is a school function (you see lots of kids, schoolbuses, etc.) the law can be interpreted to make that an area guns are forbidden.

I'm sure I've forgotten something...

Have fun visiting! Where are you going?

HK45Mark23
04-04-2007, 22:57
Originally posted by boilergonzo
Indiana honors the permits of other states. You may carry in bars or places that serve alcohol, but a wise person would also know that drinking prior to a self-defense shooting may not look good to a jury...

Off limits are all school property (K-12 public and private), casinos, State Fairgrounds during the State Fair (other times it hosts gun shows!), and not allowed by the feds in federal buildings (Post Office, Social Security,etc.) and secured areas of airports, etc.

If there is a school function (you see lots of kids, schoolbuses, etc.) the law can be interpreted to make that an area guns are forbidden.

I'm sure I've forgotten something...

Have fun visiting! Where are you going?


This is mostly true, although, a post office is not off limits. Schools, federal building, court rooms, casinos and any place marked “No Weapons” such as the Social Security facilities.

All though the Post Office is a federal ran operation they do not prohibit firearms. There are no signs and all government buildings that prohibit weapons have signs, such as the federal buildings and Social Security offices.


Also any place where your told not to carry by the owners are off limits, so carry concealed preventing such a response. This is an open carry state though. Yet I do not advocate open carry as far as it goes when considering your tactical advantage over any SHTF scenarios.

mpholic
04-05-2007, 06:16
Originally posted by HK45Mark23
This is mostly true, although, a post office is not off limits. Schools, federal building, court rooms, casinos and any place marked “No Weapons” such as the Social Security facilities.

All though the Post Office is a federal ran operation they do not prohibit firearms. There are no signs and all government buildings that prohibit weapons have signs, such as the federal buildings and Social Security offices.


Also any place where your told not to carry by the owners are off limits, so carry concealed preventing such a response. This is an open carry state though. Yet I do not advocate open carry as far as it goes when considering your tactical advantage over any SHTF scenarios.

More correctly places with signs are NOT off limits. Federal facilities with signs are off limits. Businesses with signs are not off limits. I'm sure that's what you meant but the first time I read it I didn't read it that way.

Just because someone tells you no guns are allowed doesn't make it off limits. If you are asked to leave by an employee or owner with the authority to do so you must leave or face criminal tresspass charges not weapons violations. I don't have a clue which penalty is more severe. I wouldn't put it to the test.

KSFreeman
04-05-2007, 06:19
Mark, Indiana recognizes the licenses to carry of all other states and foreign countries as long as you are not a resident of Indiana. See Indiana Code 35-47-2-21(b).

Be aware that Indiana has no bar carry prohibition as in Texas. See Kirk's First Law of the Internet. As well, you must carry according to the terms of your license, so carry like you are in Ohio.

HK, be careful when you state "Indiana is an open carry state". Out in the Western states that can mean that no license to carry is needed as long as you are open carrying. In Indiana you do need a license to carry, open, concealed, quasi-concealed, under your hat, on a boat with a goat, just have the license.

mpholic
04-05-2007, 06:23
Originally posted by KSFreeman
As well, you must carry according to the terms of your license, so carry like you are in Ohio.


Good point. We all forgot about that one.

Is there any reasoning behind this stipulation? What if another state allows something that Indiana law does not?

KSFreeman
04-05-2007, 08:33
Reason and the General Assembly?:supergrin:

What would the other state allow that we do not???

mpholic
04-05-2007, 08:46
Originally posted by KSFreeman
What would the other state allow that we do not???

Probably nothing, just a hypothetical question.

R. Emmelman
04-05-2007, 08:46
Originally posted by KSFreeman
... snip ... As well, you must carry according to the terms of your license, so carry like you are in Ohio.
... snip ...
This seems like a grey area. Does this mean that you must carry per your home state laws (i.e. no carry in church) or just restrictions per the license/permit (i.e. restricted to carrying while on company business)?

HK45Mark23
04-05-2007, 11:01
Originally posted by R. Emmelman
This seems like a grey area. Does this mean that you must carry per your home state laws (i.e. no carry in church) or just restrictions per the license/permit (i.e. restricted to carrying while on company business)?


It is legal to carry in church in Indiana. I am sure you must abide by the laws of the land you are in.

R. Emmelman
04-05-2007, 11:23
Originally posted by HK45Mark23
It is legal to carry in church in Indiana. I am sure you must abide by the laws of the land you are in.
But is it? Say you are from a state that restricts carry in church (Michigan does I believe). Can you carry in church in Indiana? On the other hand does the law mean that if your permit/license only allows you to carry when you are on company business, you must do also in Indiana? If the former is true then there could be some very interesting options. I believe the latter is the intent of the law however I am not the law expert.

HK45Mark23
04-05-2007, 11:48
Check out packing.org and NRAILA

I believe you will find that you must abide by the rules of the land. This means that I can’t go to another state and have total immunity to their laws. I can’t state that it is ok for me to carry in your state to a church, just because it is legal in my state. I have to abide by the laws where I am, not where I am from.

You will find that you must research the laws where you are and where you’re going as well as every step of the way to where you’re going.

This means that you can’t stop in a small town on the way to your destination, carry a gun in church, not know better because you did not research the law to know that said activity was off limits in that state, get caught and plead immunity due to the state your from not having such a law.

They say that ignorance of the law is not excuse. Breaking the law, no matter if you knew it was a law or not, is still a punishable offense.

This also means that you must know National Interstate Transportation Laws as well, if you’re passing through areas that have strict gun laws. This means during the time you are in states that do not recognize your permit you must take the firearm apart, put it in a box, separate from the ammo, and store it in a separate compartment of your vehicle, such as the trunk.

mpholic
04-05-2007, 12:06
HK, I think you are missing Rich's point. He is not talking about Indiana residents visiting other states but vice versa.

When we (Indiana residents) visit another state we typically must abide by that state's rules regardless of the Indiana rules.

Unlike most state's though Indiana requires that the non resident visitor abides by his home states requirements. Indiana doesn't simply say abide by our regulations.

Rich's question is whether our rule means they are restricted to conditions of carry (as listed on their permit) or all of their home state regulations including what is off limits (ie Bars, Churches, Sports Arenas, etc.)

HK45Mark23
04-05-2007, 12:20
Thanks, maybe I was confused. Sorry.

mpholic
04-05-2007, 12:25
Originally posted by HK45Mark23
Thanks, maybe I was confused. Sorry.

No problem. Confused is pretty much my constant state of mind anymore. I just have flashes of awareness.

G-19
04-05-2007, 12:40
Thanks for the info, I will be in Indianapolis. The drinking part is of no worry to me, since I don't drink. However I may want to go into a place that serves alcohol to grab a bite to eat.

minuteman32
04-05-2007, 18:16
Originally posted by HK45Mark23
It is legal to carry in church in Indiana. I am sure you must abide by the laws of the land you are in.

There is no law against carrying in a church (as in IN code), BUT ... I had a very long, heated discussion w/ an investigator of a local Persecutors office who stated that, "you can NOT have a gun w/in 1000' of a church, because it is deemed to be a school (Sunday School?!?)".

That said, I carry every time I go to church.

joedoc
04-05-2007, 18:47
thank you gentlemen. i am picking my kid up from Indiana U.

Gump
04-05-2007, 20:35
Originally posted by HK45Mark23
All though the Post Office is a federal ran operation they do not prohibit firearms. There are no signs and all government buildings that prohibit weapons have signs, such as the federal buildings and Social Security offices.
The PO here in Ellettsville is posted.

Indy_Guy_77
04-05-2007, 20:41
in my somewhat learned opinion concerning the questions above:

If, for instance, your home state prohibits carry in bars and you visit Indiana, you would be free to carry in the bar here.

It is, as far as my understanding goes, the law of the state you're in that counts. Probably said above...but I like restating things in a way that is understandable to me.

However, in order to avoid confusion for myself, I would try my best to follow my home-state laws (if more prohibitive) when visiting. That way, I wouldn't get confused as to the legalities. "When in doubt?, don't."

As far as churches go... It CAN be a gray area. "Sunday School" does not meet the legal requirements of a school or day care; therefore, that argument is moot.

BUT, there are many churches that do operate licensed day cares and schools. Those particular establishments ARE a big no-no. Remember the laws governing schools are never at rest...school in session or not; weekend or not, school hours or not. A provision is made for those legally in possession to drop off and pick up kids so long as the weapon doesn't leave the vehicle.

If you're not sure if a church's activities are licensed or not, do your due dilligence to find out. In the mean time, refer to "When in doubt?, don't."

-J-

PS, would like LEO opinion on churches that operate licensed schools and/or day cares.

R. Emmelman
04-06-2007, 05:02
Originally posted by Indy_Guy_77
... snip ...

BUT, there are many churches that do operate licensed day cares and schools. Those particular establishments ARE a big no-no. Remember the laws governing schools are never at rest...school in session or not; weekend or not, school hours or not. A provision is made for those legally in possession to drop off and pick up kids so long as the weapon doesn't leave the vehicle.

The driver must also remain in the vehicle

... snip ...

-J-

PS, would like LEO opinion on churches that operate licensed schools and/or day cares.

I would not rely on any information from a LEO. While most LEO are highly trained professionals, there are some that do not have a clue.

boby
04-06-2007, 16:03
The Greenfield post office has large no guns on postal property sign. It goes into further detail speaking of 10 year jail terms and such... pretty unnerving...

boilergonzo
04-06-2007, 19:19
I would like clarification on the Post Office. Several have signs stating they are prohibited. I know some say federal law trumps the Code of Federal Regulations, but CFR 39, 232.1 states:

"(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may
carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes."

Again, United States Code grants a lawful purposes section, and technically they say the CFR cannot preempt the US Code. However, I am not a lawyer and don't want to be caught in this legal tangle. Perhaps lawyers on this forum can point to cases where this has been played out, or point out something else that will make me comfortable carrying in a Post Office. Until then, I am going to play it safe and not carry there.

HK45Mark23
04-06-2007, 20:25
There is a sign that states something about committing a felony while armed and in the postal facility, but I don’t remember it at this time. Sense I don’t plan on committing a felony the sign does not apply to me. I will be going to the post office in the next day or two. I will write down what the sign says verbatim at that time. Again it relates to committing a violent crime while carrying a weapon at said facility and the penalties for doing so. But there are no “NO Firearms or No Weapons” signs.

boby
04-06-2007, 20:40
Originally posted by HK45Mark23
There is a sign that states something about committing a felony while armed and in the postal facility, but I don’t remember it at this time. Sense I don’t plan on committing a felony the sign does not apply to me. I will be going to the post office in the next day or two. I will write down what the sign says verbatim at that time. Again it relates to committing a violent crime while carrying a weapon at said facility and the penalties for doing so. But there are no “NO Firearms or No Weapons” signs.

At my PO it says No person while on postal property may carry firearms other dangerous or deadly weapons or explosives either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property except for official purposes.

After that paragraph is the statement about committing felonies. It also has a revolver with cricle/line thru it...

I was just there a few mins ago getting some stamps...

HK45Mark23
04-07-2007, 10:15
Yeah, we don't have all of that here. I will take a photo soon and post it here for all to see.

boby
04-07-2007, 12:36
Well see I wondered if our permits are "official purposes"...