thinking of swapping my 40s for 9s

[sgtslwilson]

Anybody ever do this? I have become convinced that I would be better served by the 9mm versions of my Glocks that I own. The new ammo is awesome, also allowing me faster follow up and more capacity.

Where would one trade stuff like that without losing my shirt? I have a G27, G23 and G22.

Any ideas?

[martinglock]

You mean going from 15 rounds to 17 rounds?
Wilson, stick with the .40 IMO.

[TLHelmer]

Variety is the spice of life!

[BlackBlack]

I have and I haven't looked back! Go for it!

[sgtslwilson]

Where and how did you end up doing it?

[Jeff82]

I am in the process of doing the same. Going from a 23 for carry to a 19.

1. ammo cost (even components) keep going up so I can shoot more with the 9.
2. my scores are faster/better with the 9 (shooting GSSF, IDPA, USPSA, and just started TSA).
3. after a day of shooting it's still "fun." After shooting the 40 all day I was (dare I say it?) "relieved." That's NOT how I want to think about shooting!!
4. standardizing on one cartridge for 99% of my shooting eases my logistics issue.
5. I want to shoot the same gun I carry. That way all practice and matches support my "street skills."

As soon as I have shot an adequate number of trouble free rounds through the (new) 19 I'll simply replace it in my holster. I need to settle on a good defence round for the 19 too. Suggestions anyone?

[BlackBlack]

I sold every glock I had for whatever I could get and yes took a loss. sold all the holsters and ammo too. I then proceeded to get glock 19, glock 19 and Glock 19. I bought a Glock 26 but sold that too. I have all Glock 19's in 2-3 different IWB and OWB holsetrs and all fits all holsters and mags fit all guns. I have been carrying the 147 gr. Gold dots until last week when i went all Hst in 147 gr.


I did have some Ranger T's last year too by the way.

I use Lawman ammo for practice along with some of my carry ammo too.

I have 2 extra mags per gun.

I am exceedingly happy! and this G19 is the best there is hands down and easier to carry than anything else.

I used to have 17, 21, 26, and 27 and also carried a duty glock 23 for 16 years or more daily.

now it is the Glock 19.

I also had night sites on 2 of them but was not pleased. I know carry stock and the sighting is much better. The current new one is 100% accurate out of the box and the trigger feels great!

[Jeff82]

Originally posted by BlackBlack
I sold every glock I had for whatever I could get and yes took a loss. sold all the holsters and ammo too. I then proceeded to get glock 19, glock 19 and Glock 19. I bought a Glock 26 but sold that too. I have all Glock 19's in 2-3 different IWB and OWB holsetrs and all fits all holsters and mags fit all guns. I have been carrying the 147 gr. Gold dots until last week when i went all Hst in 147 gr.


I did have some Ranger T's last year too by the way.

I use Lawman ammo for practice along with some of my carry ammo too.

I have 2 extra mags per gun.

I am exceedingly happy! and this G19 is the best there is hands down and easier to carry than anything else.

I used to have 17, 21, 26, and 27 and also carried a duty glock 23 for 16 years or more daily.

now it is the Glock 19.

I also had night sites on 2 of them but was not pleased. I know carry stock and the sighting is much better. The current new one is 100% accurate out of the box and the trigger feels great!
I shoot my 19 better than my 17 and 23! Not a hiccup out of it. As soon as I figure out what defense ammo I'll use then I'll switch. Shot another almost 100 round match today and still no hiccup (not expecting one!). I'm about 3/4 the way through a 1000 round can I bought from Georgia Arms in Feb.

[fowler]

Good move and stock up some 9mm. Just as good stopping power with more shots on board and longer lasting pistols with the 9mm. Better conrol and less recoil. I have never owned a 40 cal ,but I have shot them. I prefer the 9mm all the way as my number one combat ccw auto.

[GroovedG19]

I'm also thinking about trading some of my .40S&W pistols for additional 9x19mm's.My 40's are good pistols(FN Hi Power and Sig P229)but I actually prefer 9x19mm.A trading I will go.

[McGAP]

I just got rid of my GAP guns (G37 and G38) and bought a new G17. I view it as a back to basics move! I adore the 17 shot capacity, and feel that the new 9 mm personal defense rounds are sufficient for carry purposes.

Mc-No-longer-GAP

[fowler]

+1 on the G17 the king of the nines!

[Dandapani]

I started carrying 40, but soon discovered nine was fine and swapped ammo and firearms. 9mm gives me many more carry options from revo, to pocket rocket, to full size...

[Glock19xdsc]

You'll get more for what you currently have if you sell them outright or on consignment rather than trading them.

[mike23]

Originally posted by Glock19xdsc
You'll get more for what you currently have if you sell them outright or on consignment rather than trading them.

+1

Personally, I hate to see guys give up on the 40. It does take some practice to master 'em. I have 9's & 40's...best of both worlds!

[kunedo]

No, don't do that. Keep the 40s and buy 9mm if you like...but stay with the 40s.

[Scouse]

Shot 40s, hurt's! Shot 9mm since 1960, Browning to Glock, cracked parts on Hi-Power, Glocks just go on working. G19 carry, G17 match.

Stick with the 9s, 127g Ranger or 147, Ranger's. Can't make my mind up, for carry this year 127g Rangers.

[spober]

o your gonna loose your shirt all right.if you very fortunate you might get away with 50% loss from new retail price.

[DennisE]

For CCW I switched from SIG 239s and 229s in .40 S&W to a HK P7M8 and a Springfield EMP both in 9mm and am quite pleased with the change. Dennis

[TommyJ]

Look for trades in the Firearms Listing forum. Should be able to swap and just pay FFL. TJ

[kenzo]

Keep em if you can. I went through that phase, regretted it and ended up buying back a 22 and 35 in OD green. I'm working on the 23 but will pass on the 27. I also have all the 9s which I also enjoy.

[BrokenArrow]

Did that (from .40 to 9x19) years ago; no regrets.

Mag capacity was/is not an issue for me. I would rather have a ten shot 9 than a ten shot 40/45/357...

[chewybaca67]

You could always just get a some 9mm Glock mags and get a 9mm aftermarket barrel? If you really want to save some $$$$, maybe start looking into reloading. 40 S&W is pretty cheap to reload and 9mm is even cheaper.

[fastbolt]

I'm evenly balanced when it comes to owning pistols in both calibers. Just reached that point when I picked up a 4040PD. Didn’t plan it that way. Just worked out that way. For a while, anyway.;)

I prefer to shoot the 9mm, however, and for most of those times I decide to carry a pistol off-duty it's generally one of my 9mm's that get's selected.

If I had the option of carrying either one of our new .40 S&W or .45 ACP compacts as an issued weapon, or continue carrying my previously issued 9mm compact ... I'd still be carrying the 9mm compact.

I'm certainly not saying .40 S&W isn't a good caliber, because I think it is. (I selected one of the new issued compacts chambered in .40 S&W.) It seems to have gathered a decent service record since its introduction, and ammunition development hasn't hurt it, either. It's certainly worked well enough in some LE shootings of which I'm aware. It’s still making steady in-roads in the LE field and will probably continue to do so.

I simply prefer the inherent controllability of the 9mm cartridge, and feel ammunition development has helped the 9mm, as well.

In my case I don't feel the potential magazine capacity difference to be found among most similarly sized 9mm & .40 S&W platforms is of much significance to me. Matter of fact, once magazine capacity reaches 8 or 9 rounds I'm pretty much satisfied regardless of caliber, whether it's for service use or off-duty use.

When I was issued both a full-size .40 S&W and a compact 9mm for several years, both with 12+1 capacity, I generally chose to carry the 9mm pistol. My reasons? Grip dimension preference ... overall size (the compact was just enough smaller in a couple of dimensions to make it much more comfortable when getting in & out of my car all day, carrying it in a plainclothes holster ... and overall controllability, practical accuracy and recoil management. Worked for me.

Nowadays I carry a compact .40 S&W that's similar in size & weight to my previous 9mm compact (which is why I selected it). When the timer comes out, though, I can still often notice a slight increase in recorded times when it comes to running through many different 'active' courses-of-fire, and if I push too hard to decrease the time I can experience a disadvantage in practical accuracy.

My previous 9mm was easier for me to shoot fast, controllably and accurately, though. Enough so that if I were to indulge in one of the gaming/competition venues (like IDPA, for example), I'd probably chose to use a 9mm.

For me the modern 9mm, loaded with any of the high quality, refined defensive ammunition to be found among the marketplace, offers pretty much the best compromise when it comes to what I desire in a defensive pistol.

Probably why I still reach for one of my 9mm pistols when I decide I need something 'bigger' than one of my J-frames on my own time.;)

FWIW, my 4040PD is virtually the same size as my 3913 in all respects. Stronger Scandium aluminum frame, however, which is why I wanted to pick one up before they disappeared. I just exceeded the 1,000 round point with my 4040PD, and I can still shoot my 3913 faster, more controllably and with better consistent practical accuracy, even with +P/+P+ service ammunition. I enjoy owning the 4040PD and I'm glad I picked it up ... but my late production 3913 is likely to still going to see more off-duty usage than the 4040PD. I just shoot the 9mm better in that configuration, in some respects that are important to me.

Just my thoughts.

[kenzo]

Originally posted by fastbolt

... but my late production 3913 is likely to still going to see more off-duty usage than the 4040OPD. I just shoot the 9mm better in that configuration, in some respects that are important to me.

Just my thoughts.

:thumbsup: I also have a 3913 and it is one of the most underated compact 9mm pistols out there. Just bought it a month ago and it is fast becoming my favorite ccw. Accurate as all heck, easy to shoot. Love mine!

[Hugo R]

So…here I go again! G17 for duty carry. I’ve been using a .40 for several years now. I say using instead of carrying cause I usually carry a G26. The G26 is classified as a back-up/off duty gun but many of us carry it on a daily basis as a plain clothes gun. The .40 has been relegated to serve as a “high risk” warrant/surveillance/door knock etc. handgun.

The G17 was not an issue weapon. We issue about 40% .40 HKUSPC’s, 40% Glock 19’s and now about 10% SIG229 which will be replacing the HK’s and G19’s.

Fortunately for me there are two G17’s in the inventory and now one of them has found its way into my inventory.

I never did go with any of the .40’s. I’ve been tempted a few times but never went for it. However I have shot the .40 a lot. I actually shoot it well. I’ve been qualifying at 100% on our course for a couple of years now and feel very comfortable with it.

However, I love the feel of the G17 and can get more accurate follow-up shots especially when under pressure for either competition or under a real life threat…and more firepower. Oh, and did I forget to mention the boring reliability???

For me it’s a win, win. At home and on the job the GLOCK 17 continues to serve me well.

BTW, I also own four very nice M1911’s. They are great to shoot and one of them serves as an added home defense gun…but I would not trust them above my G17’s.

HR

[drzdo]

Yesterday I tried some rapid fire with my newish G19 in the woods (not allowed at local range), and I was blown away by the ease of accurate followup shots. I didn't have to try.

[ducati]

I have 3 .40 cal Glocks and they are safe queens. Now I have a 17,19,26, and a 34. The 17 is my favorite and I don't feel under gunned.

[fastbolt]

sgtslwilson,

Arrive at a decision yet?

Must you sell off the .40 S&W pistols in order to try the 9mm models?

My experiences with trading/selling off firearms eventually made me inclined to keep firearms I'd bought and just add new ones.

Of course, that's why I presently own 4 pistols chambered in .40 S&W, 4 chambered in 9mm and 8 chambered in .45 ... but really only carry the ones chambered in 9mm off-duty. ;)

It seems I'll be switching from carrying an issued .40 S&W compact very quickly, myself. Someone I've known and respected for many years has developed an interest in carrying an issued compact .40 S&W instead of the issued compact .45 he presently carries. Our inventory is currently out-of-stock on the compact .40 S&W's, though, so I offered to turn in my compact .40 S&W so it can be issued to him, and I'll just sign out the compact .45 he turns in. He was very pleased. Doesn't really matter much to me one way or the other.

Like I said before, though, I'd be happy to go back to carrying one or another of the 9mm weapons I carried on-duty for so many years ...

I'll likely never get rid of my carefully selected collection of personally-owned 9mm pistols ... 3913, CS9, G26 & SW99 Compact ... as they've all proven themselves fine examples of what I desire for my off-duty needs.

Although I've repeatedly had the thought to pick up a 3913TSW to complement my late-production 3913. I might have to do that before I retire, however, since S&W recently moved the remaining couple of TSW models that were still listed in their commercial catalog [3913TSW & 4013TSW] over to their LE/Govt-only sales.

[trainer44455]

I went to all 9's................

[.40calPower]

As with anything action in life, the more you practice the better you become. I started my pistol shooting hobby with big bore calibers. This was not by choice, but they were the only pistols available to me at the time. I feel very comfortable with the recoil that a .40 or .45 produces. Over the years I have developed a relationship with .40s&w and prefer to shoot it. I have shot 9mm aswhile and enjoy shooting them. The first time I shot a 9mm the gun was a G19. I was amazed at the amount of recoil or the lack of recoil it produced. If you are thinking of purchasing a 9mm, the only thing I can say is go for it. The ammo is cheaper then .40 or .45 in bulk. As from a defensive stand point. The evolution of bullet technology has come a long way in the last 20yrs. Granted a .40 and .45 are obviously larger heavier bullets, but if you ask anyone who has ever been shot buy any of the three calibers mentioned here they would must likely all tell you it hurt like hell and would never like to experience it again. (if they are still alive to tell about it)

[anyplainjoe]

With so many Glock LE trade ins flooding the used market, I think on trade in you'd only get about $250. My local shop usually doesnt take Glocks on trade because they can get them so much cheaper on a LE swap out.

[njl]

I did it. I privately sold my Glock .40s and .45. I was in no particular hurry. Now all my Glocks are 9mm...and for .45, I have a 1911.

If you go to a dealer, you're going to get hosed. Privately sell your .40s (here, gunbroker, etc.) if you really want to get rid of them or can't afford to keep them and get 9mm replacements.

[PAPACHUCK]

I only had one .40, a Glock 22. I have many 45's and 9mm's. I never shot that G22 very well, so I sold it to fund the finest pistol I've ever owned.

A Sig P229R in 9mm.

I cannot believe how easy it is to shoot the Sig very well. It points naturally, and shoots right to point of aim each time I press the trigger.
I don't regret a thing. Yup, a nine is fine. If I want to shoot a larger caliber, I'll grab one of my .45's.

[sphillips45]

I sold all my 40 cal Handguns a while back, All i use now is 9mm or 45acp.

[Hugo R]

I did it. I privately sold my Glock .40s and .45. I was in no particular hurry. Now all my Glocks are 9mm...and for .45, I have a 1911.

If you go to a dealer, you're going to get hosed. Privately sell your .40s (here, gunbroker, etc.) if you really want to get rid of them or can't afford to keep them and get 9mm replacements.


Update: I'm still carrying both the G17 & 26...lately I'm carrying the 17 on duty most of the time and the 26 off duty...yesterday I brought home a G17L. I've always wanted one and it finally happened. What an awesome gun...no wonder GSG9 carried/carry the gun. So accurate, so reliable and so easy to shoot.

I've never regretted my decision to not go the .40 route. Nothing against them...just happy with my nine's.

HR

[luv2brode]

thinking of the same trick.

[Jeff82]

Update:

Finally did sell my 23. Along with nine mags (8 reg cap, 1 10 rndr), a .357 Sig G32 barrel, Glock nite sights, grip tape...

Now I'm carrying my 19 with Fed 147gr HSTs.

Only .40 in the house now is my CZ-75B.

[Hugo R]

Update:

Finally did sell my 23. Along with nine mags (8 reg cap, 1 10 rndr), a .357 Sig G32 barrel, Glock nite sights, grip tape...

Now I'm carrying my 19 with Fed 147gr HSTs.

Only .40 in the house now is my CZ-75B.

I just scored half a case (500 rounds) of FED147HST. I have a feeling my G17L is going to love them!

[AWMP]

I'm moving toward 9mm more and more, faster follow up shots and cheaper ammo. (seems like ammo is going up just as fast as gas).
I started with 45acp, then .40SW, now I have only one .40SW, two .45s and the rest 9mm.

[Hugo R]

I'm moving toward 9mm more and more, faster follow up shots and cheaper ammo. (seems like ammo is going up just as fast as gas).
I started with 45acp, then .40SW, now I have only one .40SW, two .45s and the rest 9mm.

Ammo is definitely getting more expensive. Another great reason for the nine.

[Alliance50]

Just Curious

Does anyone use 115 FMJ for SD ammo in there g19's or any 9mm for that matter? Why or why not?:dunno:

I'm thinking of going from 45 for carry to 9mm.

[Jeff82]

Just Curious

Does anyone use 115 FMJ for SD ammo in there g19's or any 9mm for that matter? Why or why not?:dunno:

I'm thinking of going from 45 for carry to 9mm.

FMJ? No. But, I've always heard good reports of the plain-jane Winchester 115 JHP you can get at Wally World. Seems it is an economical and effective choice. I've got some on the shelf but in my gun is Fed 147 HST's.

My velocity testing has shown the Win 115 FMJ load to get:

1236 FPS and 390 FPE out of my 17 (2003)

1185 FPS and 359 FPE out of my 17 (2008)
1243 FPS and 394 FPE out of my 34 (2008)
1149 FPS and 347 FPE out of my 19 (2008)

And the 115 JHP load:

1169 FPS and 349 FPE out of my 17 (2003)

Only diff in testing was the 2003 temp was around 60F and the 2008 testing was around 70F and of course different Lot#s.

[Kentucky_Guy]

Count me in the "all 9mm" club.....

after having love affairs with the .357 Sig, .45 ACP and the .40 SW i am exclusively a 9mm guy now.....

and with the excellent loads out there, i exclusively use Federal HST 9mm 147 grain, the 9mm just cant be beat...

[tusk212]

Im thinking about ditching my Glock 21 and getting another Glock 9mm.

[bluesea]

I've just switched over to the Glock platform, and 9mm at the same time. I'd prefer to maintain and shoot one platform only, but am also a hardcore 45acp guy. The 21 is too big, so I am still sitting on the fence.

[Jeff82]

I've just switched over to the Glock platform, and 9mm at the same time. I'd prefer to maintain and shoot one platform only, but am also a hardcore 45acp guy. The 21 is too big, so I am still sitting on the fence.

(Jeff82 gazing into a crystal ball.. )

"I see a G30SF in your future... "

:supergrin:

[Mr Jingles]

I made a decision about 2 yrs ago to go with Glock 19(s) as my handgun. I own 3 of them. My wife and I share the Glocks. I purchased some extra mags and have stocked up on some good quality self defense ammo (not a huge amount - a few hundred rds.) It made sense (to me) to have a common platform that was reliable, accurate, deadly (if it needed to be.) I keep them in holsters - to keep fingers off of them for safety. My holster is my safety.

I like other guns; but I am pleased with what I have done. It works for me.

www.GODLOVESTHEWORLD.COM

[GroovedG19]

All 9mm's here with one .45ACP(HK USP).Sold all my .40S&W's.

[fastbolt]

Well, since my last posting in this revived thread I've picked up a 9th .45 pistol, a M&P 45 Dark Earth w/thumb safeties.

I've also been carrying that issued compact .45 I mentioned. Decent enough for government work. ;) Caliber selection still doesn't keep me awake at night.

I've only occasionally carried one of my personally-owned .40 S&W pistols since last posting, the G27, although I've continued to do a fair amount of training with it in that time. I've done more training with my 9mm & .45 ACP pistols, though.

I still prefer one of my 9mm pistols for off-duty usage ... when I'm not carrying a J-frame.

All of that being said, if I pick up a second M&P pistol it will either be a M&P 40 compact or perhaps a M&P 45 compact. The .40 compact offers the more appealing size for off-duty & retirement, although if the larger .45 compact is anything like the standard size M&P 45 I own and have been using it would be a very nice addition to have for my retirement ...

[Oldskoolfan]

I just finished doing this. I like the cost effectiveness of the 9mm. I just wished I had purchased the guns I got rid of (HK P2000 and P2000sk) in 9mm rather than .40 S&W as it would have saved me some time. Though it just got me into Sig's.

[9mmdude]

I got rid of all my .45's and now have 9's and 40's in Glock models.

[SGT109]

I'm thinking of doing the same, my G23 for a G19.

[Bladerunner747]

My solution, this is for myself.
Get a 40 to 9mm convertion barrel.
Get magazines for 9mm.
You can have those for your Glock 27 or 23. Because you will have converted your guns, you will have variety and will lose nothing. Most people who have done that seem to be happy with the set up. Read the postings on that subject here, mostly positive. Hope this helps. One man's opinion.

[Jeff82]

I'm thinking of doing the same, my G23 for a G19.

That's what I did. Not looking back. Even had a 357 sig barrel for it.

Don't know if changing a 9 to .40 is a good thing though: smaller case size will have the ejector coming mighty close to the primer when unloading or reducing jams...

(I still have a CZ-75 in .40... and I just bought a Sig 229 in .40 from a friend who needed the cash (he asked for $275 or $300, I gave him $400). I'll hold it for him until he's on his feet again. Put it in the safe. I need to shoot it and see what's it's all about! so my ."40 withdrawals" are kept to a minimum!)

[Bladerunner747]

That's what I did. Not looking back. Even had a 357 sig barrel for it.

Don't know if changing a 9 to .40 is a good thing though: smaller case size will have the ejector coming mighty close to the primer when unloading or reducing jams...

(I still have a CZ-75 in .40... and I just bought a Sig 229 [or is it an 8?] in .40 from a friend who needed the cash (he asked for $275 or $300, I gave him $400). I'll hold it for him until he's on his feet again. Put it in the safe. I need to shoot it and see what's it's all about! so my ."40 withdrawals" are kept to a minimum!)
Your friend is lucky to have you as a friend. P-228, stamped slide. P-229, slide machined out of solid block of steel.
As far as I know, from the people who have done it and posted here to the effect that they are happy with the barrel 40-9. I have not done it myself.
I got worried about the 9mm when it would hardly tip the iron targets when shooting at the range, a couple of times times not do it at all. So I am keeping my 40s, shooting WWB. Good Luck either way!

[Hugo R]

UPDATE:

Sadly, I might have to give up my "duty" G17 & 26 as the time has come for me to move on to another position. Different branch in the same agency but will lose the guns I am carrying now. Looks like I'll have a completely different primary...the "hated" SIG P229 in DAK...:dunno: oh well...but the good news is I'll be able to pick up another G26 as a back up.

Ok Sig lovers...I'll give you this...I shot a perfect score with the Sig and really don't mind carrying it as a primary since I'll mostly use it during warrants and other enforcement actions. As I've posted before, I really don't mind shooting the fo tee although my preference is clear. Also finding leather/plastic to carry it in will be a pain but all part of the job.

I don't think I'll ever warm up to the forty like some of my partners have (I'm from the school that carries a .45 if I don't think the 9 will do) but I will embrace this steel on alloy gun as best as I can.

I will continue to carry the G26 for everything else...including plain clothes assignment or off duty. Also, for HD or if the balloon ever goes up and the hordes of zombies come out of the woodwork...I'll be grabbing my 9mm Glocks and thousands of 9mm rounds on my way to the fall back position. The .45's are already there.

As always, JMHO.

[tyger006]

You could always just get a some 9mm Glock mags and get a 9mm aftermarket barrel? If you really want to save some $$$$, maybe start looking into reloading. 40 S&W is pretty cheap to reload and 9mm is even cheaper.


As usual, Chewy got this right. Count on someone who hangs out at the reloading forum for some sense:wavey:
For practice, I did the same thing and things have been great. If I chose to carry the 9mm conversions, I would change out the extractor and I am the same as a 19 or 26.

This gives me the best of both worlds, and I would have lost more than the conversion cost me by trading and buying the new caliber.

Good luck whatever you choose!
Tyger

[wlk19]

I have a 19 and a 23. The 23 stays at home most of the time as a home defense backup to my 12 guage and the 19 goes with me and is what I shoot at the range. I am just as accurate with the 23. The recoil difference isn't an issue. The 19 is just cheaper to feed. I doubt that I will get rid of the 23, but it will not see a lot of daylight.

[Jeff82]

(Don't tell anyone, but I uh, uh, I shot, I shot that 40 Sig 229 (NOT DAK), and I was ...

... impressed!! YIKES!! SHHHH!! somebody might hear you!!)

spoken by a true Glock-o-holic)

[Hugo R]

OK...So I spent the last week shooting the SIG229RDAK. I'm estimating about 500 rounds between an older model someone left behind when they retired and the new one I chose with a 007 serial number:cool:

Anyway, as some of you can imagine, I'm not thrilled by the gun, but I've decided that I will learn this system to the best of my ability.

First thing is of course the weight. So much heavier than my G17 that it really is going to take some getting used to. Also I find the gun much bulkier and it feels like a brick. At least it's not as bad as the old Beretta Brigadier we used to carry.

Secondly the trigger is going to be tough to learn. I consider myself an expert shooter and a good instructor. I am NOT having a good time with this gun. Of course I am spoiled by the Safe Action Trigger system of the Glocks (lately shooting my G17L a lot) and my single action 1911's. This DAK trigger is a real throwback to the revolver days but even worse, you get the double reset which confuses even the best of shooters. Yes, I've been shooting OK, but not to MY standards and NO, I don't have the confidence to take that eyeball shot to immediately stop the threat...like I would with my G17, G17L and even my G26.

Even the SRT (SWAT) guys are not shooting as well as I'd like to see them shooting and I can't help but go back to when we went away from the Glocks and HK's (LEM trigger) they were shooting before. Needless to say, the trigger is going to be a real issue we'll have to deal with, especially with the smaller statured folks. I'd rather see a DAO but of course, no one cared what I said when they asked.

The third issue is not really so much of a real problem as it is psychological in that with a fully loaded G17 and one spare mag I had 34 rounds. Now in the same configuration I only have 24. Like I said, it might seem silly to some, but in my case, I liked having the extra 10 rounds. Heck even with the G26 I have 28.

Fourth...you have to keep it wet. I hate that. Yes, I'm spoiled by Glock and I know better and I will, obviously, keep mine clean and wet, but I know a lot of folks won't and it'll be a huge issue. I will preach and pontificate, but some folks will not listen.

Fifth...grip screws. WTF was SIG thinking of? They're falling off every time we shoot...so we now have every instructor carrying around a set of screwdrivers tightening screws and now we're thinking about loctiting them? Stupid.

Sixth...we're still shooting the 155gr JHP howitzer round. Flinching and anticipating is the order of the day. Practice will overcome that issue...however, check the last sentence on issue #4.

Lastly (at least for now) other than ordering directly from the companies themselves, I can't find any of my prefered holsters in the stores. In comparison to Glock holsters which you can find in just about any configuration just about anywhere, holsters for the SIG229RDAK are almost non-existant on store shelves.

OK...so I really don't like the gun...here you go SIG guys:

The gun is a good gun. It will get the job done if you do your part. Practice, practice, practice, wet & dry, getting to know her inside and out. A lot of lubing, fondling and stroking and snuggling up to her. I know...sounds sort of X rated, but that's what we're going to have to do, cause we really should do that with any carry gun we're going to trust our lives to.

As usual this is all, IMHO.

HR

[fastbolt]

Sorry to hear your experience, but I have to say that I'm not all that surprised by your thoughts.

I wouldn't choose the "enhanced DAO" DAK for myself, either. If I was going to use a Sig Sauer I'd prefer the standard TDA version, and I suppose the new SRT option would also be welcome.

I prefer my handguns which have a long DAO trigger stroke to also have a revolving cylinder, though. ;)

As far as the original Sig DAO trigger? In my Sig Sauer armorer class the instructor made a casual comment that the original DAO trigger was proof that even Sig could make a bad trigger. :whistling:

I thought the initial DA trigger stroke of the DAK was okay. Sorta feels lighter than it is, no doubt thanks to the nice geometry of the enhanced DAO design components. The subsequent shorter trigger reset being heavier than the longer reset (or original trigger stroke) was something I found a bit odd at first, but we were told that this was intentional on the part of the engineers. The heavier pull weight for the shorter reset was supposedly looked upon as a better safety option for service users.

I can see how having both reset points could potentially be a training issue, though.

Prior to entering LE I was always spoiled by the SA triggers of 1911's when it came to pistols. I only adapted to the TDA pistol after entering LE work and I finally had my revolver taken away and replaced with a S&W 9mm 5903. I became rather accustomed to it after a while and decided it was pretty acceptable for everyday defensive usage. Then I became accustomed to the Glock's interesting Safe Action Trigger. Recently, I've decided the M&P's trigger is surprisingly decent for my needs and preferences.

I'm right there with you about the grip screw issue. It's always been a bit puzzling to me how Sig could design their pistols to essentially be grip-dependent (their words), and then use grip screws that loosen so quickly under normal recoil.

The grip dimensions are a bit thick. Seems to be a function of their trigger bar/spring design requiring some space on the right side and the decocker on the left (for TDA models, obviously). The trigger reach of the DAK and their standard thick grips might well present some issues for your smaller stature shooters.

Sig's are indeed 'wet guns', too. Have you went through their armorer class yet? They make no bones about emphasizing how the pistols aren't properly lubricated unless the presence of the lubricant can be verified both visually and by feel. I share your concern about making sure some of the more 'ambivalent natured' folks keep their weapons sufficiently lubricated. I've certainly seen my fair share of a similar tendency among our folks to 'forget' to lubricate their weapons at least as often as they shoot.

Guess you'll have to deal with the ammunition/recoil & holster issues as best you're able.

Luck to you.

It's what we do as firearms instructors, though, isn't it?

[Hugo R]

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I prefer my handguns which have a long DAO trigger stroke to also have a revolving cylinder, though. ;)

As far as the original Sig DAO trigger? In my Sig Sauer armorer class the instructor made a casual comment that the original DAO trigger was proof that even Sig could make a bad trigger. :whistling:

I can see how having both reset points could potentially be a training issue, though.
It's what we do as firearms instructors, though, isn't it?

Thanks for your great post and points of view. I loved carrying my SW686 with my SW36 as a back up...back in the day.

Again, I agree that SIG has always produced great products and continue to do so...however, after experiencing the Safe Action, Law Enforcement Model, and of course M1911 triggers, I feel sort of like we're taking a giant step backwards in time.

No I haven't attended the armorer class, but I have been around SIGS since the early 80's and have three certified armorers in my office. One of the guys loves SIGS and even he admits that they're not for everyone. That's the agency's fault for trying to do the one gun one caliber thing...obviously a decision made by someone who does not shoot or worse, didn't care.

Again though...you are right. Nothing like a little job security especially in these uncertain times...and with the SIG...I'll have plenty of job security.

HR

[jjgi5150]

Hi all,

I'm with you Hugo R re: the DAK trigger on the Sig 229....just horrible! I went to a Sig 229R in 2006 after many problems with my G-22 with an M-3 light attached. Even though the Glock factory in Smyrna said it was fixed, I felt I could not trust it as an entry gun, so I got the Sig and gave the G-22 to my son as a HD pistol for his cabin. With an aluminum frame there is NO ISSUE re: lights of any type. I was fortunate in that I got the DA/SA version, so all I had to do was get used to the horrible 12# +/- first pull, and then all was ok. I shoot the 229R well and still use it as my entry gun.

However, I'm now tesing my G-23 with the TLR-1 attached to see if I feel it will be dependable. So far so good after about 250 rounds...at least 250 more to go to please me. I really like the Glock trigger action far better than any other. A simple, consistent trigger pull is a good thing as far as I am concerned, and most of our troops, both Federal and local, shoot a bit better with the Glocks than other brands. I am hopeful that it will prove to be ok with the light attached, since my desire is to go back to a single weapon platform. Especially since I am now carrying my G-19 as my plain clothes weapon and occasionally my G-26 in the very hot summer weather here in the SoCal desert. Thankfully, at least my department lets us carry pretty much whatever brand weapon we want.

Take care,


JJ

[templetonhal]

I switched not out of economy but the Glock in 40 did not work for me at all. It was the only Glock that broke locking block pins regulary and it was not a reliable platform for me. The generous unsupported chambers alway worried me when working with reloads. You had to be very anal when checking brass and wound up throwing as much as a third away. I took a loss on selling off the guns but they were all pretty well used. Would have felt some sellers remorse if they were safe queens.

There's only one remaining in my collection, the 24C it is a fun gun to shoot. Decided to keep the 21, a gun that has just gotten way better over time and is my favorite shooter.

Going back to the CZ's in 9MM, and like the feel and shootability so far. My recent acquistion, the SP01, is a rock solid gun. So far it has fed just about everything without any issues. The gun is really tight and if it follows the good time I've had with the 85B, it should run and stay tight a long long time.

[Hugo R]

Hi all,

Even though the Glock factory in Smyrna said it was fixed, I felt I could not trust it as an entry gun, so I got the Sig and gave the G-22 to my son as a HD pistol for his cabin...

However, I'm now tesing my G-23 with the TLR-1 attached to see if I feel it will be dependable. So far so good after about 250 rounds...at least 250 more to go to please me. I really like the Glock trigger action far better than any other. A simple, consistent trigger pull is a good thing as far as I am concerned...

I am hopeful that it will prove to be ok with the light attached, since my desire is to go back to a single weapon platform. Especially since I am now carrying my G-19 as my plain clothes weapon and occasionally my G-26 in the very hot summer weather here in the SoCal desert.

Take care, JJ


Well, first of all, even though I am a ravenous fan of Glock 9's, I've never been very partial to them in 40. I preferred the HKUSPC with LEM as a duty 40 although it came with it's own rail problems. For a proper light (the HK light was ill concieved IMO) you had to attach a special rail. HOwever it did hold up to the punishing 155gr. JHP and was very accurate...if...you learned the trigger.

The LEM gave some people fits and some of them actually prefer the DAK. Oh well, takes all types right?

I hope your G23 ends up working for you...I carried the G17 for basically the same reasons...awesome trigger and magazine compatibility with my G26.

I shot another 200 rounds of Federal 155 JHP out of new SIG229 and it's a bit better but I'm still not happy...but will keep on working with it.

Stay Safe Stay Low and WY6, HR

[whenmonkeysfly]

Have you considered getting a Lone Wolf .40 to 9mm conversion barrel and some 9mm mags?

Or maybe just keep your .40's and buy a 9mm or two when your stimulus/tax refund check comes in [GRIN].

Whenever I've traded, I've always lost money in the long run. I'm also partial to the .40 S&W, but like shooting a 9mm occasionally.

[Bannack]

Anybody ever do this? I have become convinced that I would be better served by the 9mm versions of my Glocks that I own. The new ammo is awesome, also allowing me faster follow up and more capacity.

Where would one trade stuff like that without losing my shirt? I have a G27, G23 and G22.

Any ideas?

Love the 9mm over all the other calibers, but if I were in your shoes I would look here for barrels:

KKM Barrels
http://www.kkmprecision.com/custom_pistol_barrels/home.php

OMB Express
http://www.ombexpress.com/category~cat~426501601.asp

Then you would have the option of switching out and going back and forth should you desire.

[Fire_Medic]

I started with .40 Glock's, then went to 9mm, then just to switch it up went back to .40 and to have something bigger, after a 300 rounds range session last week with half the rounds out of my G27 I decided to go back to 9mm and for a bigger whole have a .45. I just find the 9mm more pleasant to shoot for long sessions, and when I go to the range I just like to shoot a lot. I'm just as accurate with the .40 Glock counterparts, but not as pleased. Never got rid of my G19, still have it, but traded my G22, got my old G26 back and when my G23 sells I'll be getting a G30SF. After that I'll be looking for a 1911 in 45 and 9mm to spice up the collection, but I'm perfectly happy with the G19/G26 combo. And I just find the .45ACP more comfortable to shoot than the .40 S&W.

For my uses as non-LEO the 9mm will be a better fit.

Sometimes we just have to learn things the hard way. :wavey:

[Bladerunner747]

I got a 30SF and I think you are headed in the right direction. The slide is a little thick for carry but if you can live with that, that is the way to go in my opinion. You will love your new 30 SF!!!!
Best of luck!!