40 S& W - 155 or 180 Ranger?

[deerhunter34]

I am soon going to own a Glock 23 and Glock 27 which I have practically stolen. Never having owned a 40, I have been searching for ammo and have decided to buy Winchester Ranger Law Enforcement surplus because of reasonable price for practice and carry ($139.99 / 500). Comes in 155 and 180 grain. Which load should I buy and why? Same price for both loads. Any difference in preference for the different model glocks? Thanks for your input.

[SDGlock23]

180gr

[Glockdude1]

Both are excellent rds. The 155 is a JHP, but no "talons" in the bullet. The 180 has the "Talons" when it expands. I prefer the 180's myself.

:thumbsup:

[owl6roll]

180:tongueout:

[pyblood]

Originally posted by Glockdude1
Both are excellent rds. The 155 is a JHP, but no "talons" in the bullet. The 180 has the "Talons" when it expands. I prefer the 180's myself.

:thumbsup:

Winchester has both 155gr and 180gr Rangers that aren’t “Talons” or the T Series. Winchester calls them the “Conventional” Rangers. They can be found on Sportsman’s Guide or through CDNN just to name a couple.

Now if you are looking for the Talons you need make sure they are the Ranger T series. They come in 165gr and 180gr. The part number for the 165 is RA40TA and the 180gr is RA40T.

There’s also the Rangers Bonded (part numbers RA40BA &RA40B)…Oh it can get so confusing.

I am sure that someone here can point you in the direction of the GT member that sells a lot of Rangers. I think that he has them all.

My suggestion would be o get the 165gr Ranger T Series!

Now to steer you away from the Rangers, but you can also get Speer Gold Dots and Federal HST ammo in 50rd boxes. There’s also a poster here on GT that sells both of these but like the Ranger seller I can’t point my mouse to him.

[hotpig]

Winchester dumped a lot of the Ranger 40 cal jhp ammo on the surplus market cheap because LE would not buy it. Some of these places are selling cheaper than I can buy it.

[pyblood]

Originally posted by hotpig
Winchester dumped a lot of the Ranger 40 cal jhp ammo on the surplus market cheap because LE would not buy it. Some of these places are selling cheaper than I can buy it.

Is that the 155gr and 180gr JHP that are the conventional Rangers and not the T-series

[SoFlaDeputy]

Just because it is not Tallon bullet doesn't mean it is an inferior design. Remember it's shot placement not bullet design that matters. By the way I purchased 500 rnds of the 155grn JHP Ranger ammo. I like a faster round which ensures a more reliable expansion and my dept uses the 165grn Ranger-T for duty round. Sportsman Guide & CDNN investments both sell 155 & 180grn loads. Good luck!:thumbsup:

[deerhunter34]

I believe they are the conventional Rangers. I found them on Sportsmans Guide and I am lucky enought to have a $10 coupon which makes them $129.99/500. I believe in practicing with what you carry and I thought this would be a good compromise for the price. Was wondering if 155 or 180's had any significant differences in the Glock 23 or 27. I am not recoil sensitive, so accuracy matters most to me. Thanks for everyone's input.

[hotpig]

Originally posted by pyblood
Is that the 155gr and 180gr JHP that are the conventional Rangers and not the T-series


The regular Ranger jhp was dumped on to the surplus market. It is not bad ammo, just think of it as as a step up from the Winchester white box jhp that many places sale.

[DRT]

Originally posted by SoFlaDeputy
Just because it is not Tallon bullet doesn't mean it is an inferior design. Remember it's shot placement not bullet design that matters. By the way I purchased 500 rnds of the 155grn JHP Ranger ammo. I like a faster round which ensures a more reliable expansion and my dept uses the 165grn Ranger-T for duty round. Sportsman Guide & CDNN investments both sell 155 & 180grn loads. Good luck!:thumbsup:

Just because it's faster doesnt mean that it'll expand more reliably. A superior bullet design that doesnt plug as easily, like the T bullet, is probably more important than the 50-60fps velocity difference. You'd be better off sticking with your duty ammo.

[pyblood]

Originally posted by deerhunter34
I believe they are the conventional Rangers. I found them on Sportsmans Guide and I am lucky enought to have a $10 coupon which makes them $129.99/500. I believe in practicing with what you carry and I thought this would be a good compromise for the price. Was wondering if 155 or 180's had any significant differences in the Glock 23 or 27. I am not recoil sensitive, so accuracy matters most to me. Thanks for everyone's input.

Just in case you haven’t purchased the ammo yet. Here’s a coupon for free shipping on any order. The coupon code is SPGK380. That should save you $16 vs. $10 with your coupon.

Or if you want to save a few more dollars you can pick up a case from CDNN. They have free shipping on a case and it’s $12.99 a box. They have both the 155gr and the 180gr.

[hotpig]

I think 12.99 is a good deal for SHTF or range ammo. As a Ranger dealer I have to pay 173.50 per 500 rounds for it. Minimum order of 10 cases.Now you see why I do not sale it on my web site.:shocked:

[SoFlaDeputy]

Quote from DRT : Just because it's faster doesnt mean that it'll expand more reliably. A superior bullet design that doesnt plug as easily, like the T bullet, is probably more important than the 50-60fps velocity difference. You'd be better off sticking with your duty ammo.

Again superior bullet design don't mean "Squat"! What good is that "Superior Design" if you can't place where it needs to be? That's why people come to the belief that if I just nick him with this "Superior Design" bullet he'll fall like a tree! When it has been documented that suspects shot with Duty Ammo by L.E. that weren't placed in a vital area of the body usually get up and fight with that individual whom shot them! Do a search on YOUTUBE and you'll see! Practice and Mindset is what wins a gunfight not bullet design! Take care & Be safe!

[DRT]

SoFla - Pay attention - I didnt say bullet placement wasnt important but once theyre in the center of mass, I'll take a superior bullet design. One that penetrates at least 12" and opens as large as possible. Of course, if you can hit everyone in the eye when shots are exchanged then I suppose you just need a .22.

be safe

[BrokenArrow]

The Ranger 155 JHP performs the same as the 155 Silvertip.

The Ranger 180 JHP (not Ranger T) performs the same as the old Subsonic DP load and current USA JHP. Same bullet was/is used in all of them.

Other than the color of the jacket on the 155 Ranger, these bullets have not changed in 13 yrs. What they did in 94 is what they do in 07 (there is the usual lot to lot variation however).

From RCMP tests w the 155 Silvertip and the 180 DP in 1994:

Avg for 5 rounds in gel through heavy cloth:

155 ST 13.8/.64
180 DP 14.4/.63

[shackiejake]

I like the 155 and carry it when I carry my .40. Form what I have read the 155 is a better one shot stopper. I like lighter faster bullets, so I admit I am biased. However, research for yourself and I feel like you will come to the same conclusion that the 155's perform better on the street. One other suggestion by a box of each before you order and try them in your weapons, see which one it perfers. I still like the 155's and that is my 2 cents.

[Gordov2]

For a anyone carrying a .40 caliber (especially Glock), you want the Ranger RA40T. This is the "new" Black Talon. It is 180 grain. There is no reason to use any other ammo if you're carrying a .40 cal for personal/home defense.

[918v]

All JHP are prone to plugging. If you get a chunk of bone caught in the hollow point, the bullet will not expand be it a Tanget T or Silvertip. The likelihood of shooting bone is pretty high. Therefore, there will never be a JHP design that works as advertised 100% of the time.

Softpoints :thumbsup:

[Gordov2]

RA40T's are not Silvertips or Tangent T's. They are in the Winchester Law Enforcement only catalog. Again, they are .40 cal, 180 grain JHP, that replaced the old Black Talons. These are just the new version, read: same ammo, different name. All the folks that are truly gun and gear types, know this is the Ammo to go with for personal protection.

[J.P.]

I prefer 165gr in the Ranger line.
Has the "talons" and has more energy than the 189gr

[K-DOG]

Originally posted by 918v
All JHP are prone to plugging. If you get a chunk of bone caught in the hollow point, the bullet will not expand be it a Tanget T or Silvertip. The likelihood of shooting bone is pretty high. Therefore, there will never be a JHP design that works as advertised 100% of the time.

And if you are hitting bone you want the heavy 180gr

[BrokenArrow]

Through a pig rib embedded two inches into a gel block:

Win 155 ST 11/.71
Fed 155 HS 12.9/.66
Speer 155 GD 12.8/.70

Wn 180 JHP 13.7/.63
Win 180 SXT 12/.71
Fed 165 HS 13.3/.61
Speer 180 GD 13.3/.66

[kimberst245]

180 grs. Just my personnal prefernce.

[NickZac]

Originally posted by kimberst245
180 grs. Just my personnal prefernce.

+1

Realistically, anything in the 40 caliber is going to perform well as long as it is a premium or law enforcement grade JHP...Ranger fits the bill :thumbsup: