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FThorn
04-12-2007, 19:53
We have had two different occupants (families) in the house next to us over the last 4 years. They knew each other. They always have different cars, and those cars always have paper or dealer metal plates.

Is this some type of scam? What's the deal? Witness protection program?

And they always only have friends come and go after dark. Now, that ALONE is no big deal.

It's just always odd.

The sheriff has been over there a couple of times, too. Is there any way to get a public record on why they visited over there? Just nosey. Oh, that's the same neighbor whose pitbull bit my leg last year, too. (posted elsewhere here)

glockman97420
04-12-2007, 20:07
Do they work for a car lot?? Perhaps they're demo cars or something like that.

FThorn
04-12-2007, 20:31
Originally posted by glockman97420
Do they work for a car lot?? Perhaps they're demo cars or something like that.

No. Neither 'family' or residents work for a car dealer. But, they have the plates often and they change cars pretty frequently.

Indy_Guy_77
04-12-2007, 20:45
Call the FBI! hehe

And then shoot that pit bull.

Just kidding.

Kind of.

-J-

djcerna
04-12-2007, 20:49
Some times the dealer that sold the car does not have the title to the car and reissues a dealer tag over and over. This is illegal because the dealer is suppose to have the title before selling the car. Dealers offend buy the cars at auctions or other ways and really don't have a title. They want a quick sale and will offen accept a low price due to the car still being in the process of exchanging titles. The buyer can request that the seller void the deal because he sold a vehicle they did not own.

epsylum
04-12-2007, 22:19
Originally posted by Indy_Guy_77
Call the FBI! hehe

And then shoot that pit bull.

Just kidding.

Kind of.

-J-

The last dog that bit me didn't live very long afterward. Of course I was 6 and had to have over 100 stitches in my face and almost lost my eye. Oh and I wasn't the first kid it bit. My dad wanted to try out his 686 on it, but the police didn't like that idea.

FThorn
04-13-2007, 03:40
Originally posted by djcerna
Some times the dealer that sold the car does not have the title to the car and reissues a dealer tag over and over. This is illegal because the dealer is suppose to have the title before selling the car. Dealers offend buy the cars at auctions or other ways and really don't have a title. They want a quick sale and will offen accept a low price due to the car still being in the process of exchanging titles. The buyer can request that the seller void the deal because he sold a vehicle they did not own.

But, I would think over the course of 4 or 5 years, two of these occupants, and probably 20 cars, this scenario becomes less likely and it's a conscious effort to continue the behavior for whatever purpose.

1 old 0311
04-13-2007, 04:42
Live, and let live. I guess the same could be said about people who buy, and sell firearms now and again. This is our hobby, that is his hobby.

TLHelmer
04-13-2007, 05:14
If your really concerned call the Indiana State Police. Each area has an autocrimes investigator. It may be a crime that the dealer is committing in order to keep the buyer from filing a complaint that they haven't received their title yet. It is hard to say with limited information.

KSFreeman
04-13-2007, 05:19
I would call Mr. Obvious. He had an insightful program on this problem.:supergrin: :rofl:

Dandapani
04-13-2007, 06:43
Originally posted by TLHelmer
If your really concerned call the Indiana State Police. Each area has an autocrimes investigator. It may be a crime that the dealer is committing in order to keep the buyer from filing a complaint that they haven't received their title yet. It is hard to say with limited information.

Some "complaints" become public record and your neighbors can find out who "called the cops" on them...

In my neighborhood, it's not worth having my house burned down.

FThorn
04-13-2007, 06:54
Originally posted by KSFreeman
I would call Mr. Obvious. He had an insightful program on this problem.:supergrin: :rofl:

He really did?

I record the Bob and Tom show to hard disk drive everyday. If you know when it aired, I can search for it. But, I don't recall this particular subject coming up.

KSFreeman
04-13-2007, 09:38
It's on one of their albums. Maybe the Mr. Obvious album?

Dean calls as the Nieghborhood Watch Captain of Shady Acres Subdivision, Phase III, and reports "drug dealers".:supergrin: :rofl:

cougar_guy04
04-13-2007, 09:48
Originally posted by KSFreeman
It's on one of their albums. Maybe the Mr. Obvious album?

Dean calls as the Nieghborhood Watch Captain of Shady Acres Subdivision, Phase III, and reports "drug dealers".:supergrin: :rofl:
*checks iTunes library*
It's on the Happy Hour album, track title is "The Stakeout". Yes, I'm that bored at work.

FThorn
04-13-2007, 10:45
I'm sorry that my 'pass' on a Rose-Hulman engineering degree precluded me from being in your predicament. :)

cougar_guy04
04-13-2007, 11:12
Originally posted by FThorn
I'm sorry that my 'pass' on a Rose-Hulman engineering degree precluded me from being in your predicament. :)
LOL! This is just my spring break "job". Babysit presenters at a conference and try to come up with solutions if the projectors/laptops/whatever breaks. Not a lot of work, decent pay, pretty sweet gig :)

KSFreeman
04-13-2007, 11:51
The "carjacking" is my favorite Mr. Obvious. Dean thinks that the valets are gangmembers out to steal his car at a restaurant downtown.

Reminds me of the Lafayette City Council and their response to "gangs".:rofl:

singlestacksig
04-13-2007, 17:52
Originally posted by FThorn
But, I would think over the course of 4 or 5 years, two of these occupants, and probably 20 cars, this scenario becomes less likely and it's a conscious effort to continue the behavior for whatever purpose.
From ISP web site



Vehicle Crimes Unit - The Vehicle Crimes Unit consists of one sergeant and six detectives who conduct vehicle crime investigations statewide. They assist other investigators and agencies with the identification of stolen vehicles, vehicle parts, and vehicle documents. This unit has a direct link with the National Insurance Crime Bureau and serves as the department's liaison with the Bureau of Motor Vehicles.


Report Auto Theft by Calling the Auto Theft Tip-Line

1-800-288-6847

FThorn
04-13-2007, 18:44
I have no reason to suspect out right theft.

Just has the appearance of impropriety.

JMag
04-13-2007, 19:21
Around the city they are about as common as the "Tag Applied For" signs (usually witnessed in aged cardboard with spelling errors)...

luxone
04-13-2007, 22:30
My cousin is a fire-fighter and an automobile wholesaler. With his wholesalers license he gets five dealer plates. What he typically does is buy a car at auction, slap a dealer plate on it, drives it for a few weeks while he does a little fixing up on it, then sells it to an individual or back to an auction for a profit. It is all perfectly legal and is nothing to be concerned about.



Live, and let live. I guess the same could be said about people who buy, and sell firearms now and again. This is our hobby, that is his hobby.
This is an outstanding comment!

FThorn
04-14-2007, 08:57
I don't care to research all the dealer regs, and I have both worked for a dealer and know dealers, but this guy and the guy he bought the house from (they are friends) neither of which are dealers. I can't tell that the guy is employed at all over the past 3 years, he does not leave his house for a job anyway.

They have taken to parking by backing-in to the drive, too. Reminds me of the Nation of Islam members that do not display their plates to 38th street.

FThorn
04-10-2008, 05:56
a year later and the guy is still driving his cars on dealer plates.

AFA1CY
04-10-2008, 07:55
Call BMV and ask them.

4sarge
04-10-2008, 08:39
IMO, If it is not illegal then it should be, buy here pay here dealer or not. What I have found is that they use the dealer plates to circumvent paying sales tax, license & registration fees that the rest of us must pay. If you've got a sales lot and actually do demos that's one thing but to drive on the dealer plate to keep from paying the State for normal registration fees then thats another. Usually used by relatives, friends (accomplices) because when you run the plate it doesn't come back to that vehicle or driver. It was a violation of the law to circumvent paying the State registration & licensing fees :steamed: If I have to pay then everyone should pay their fare share.

pesticidal
04-10-2008, 08:45
A few years ago, I had a (legitimate) license plate. I put it on a used Miata that I bought to re-sell. Damn thing didn't sell for 2 years....

pesticidal
04-10-2008, 08:46
IMO, If it is not illegal then it should be, buy here pay here dealer or not. What I have found is that they use the dealer plates to circumvent paying sales tax, license & registration fees that the rest of us must pay. If you've got a sales lot and actually do demos that's one thing but to drive on the dealer plate to keep from paying the State for normal registration fees then thats another. Usually used by relatives, friends (accomplices) because when you run the plate it doesn't come back to that vehicle or driver. It was a violation of the law to circumvent paying the State registration & licensing fees :steamed: If I have to pay then everyone should pay their fare share.

Ever buy anything on line and didn't pay the sales tax?


:whistling:

4sarge
04-10-2008, 08:51
Ever buy anything on line and didn't pay the sales tax?:whistling:

Only if I bought it from North Dakota :wow:

Prometheus77
04-10-2008, 10:34
Nice to see the nosey neighbors club is in full swing... quick call homeland security, you might score a c-note off this thing! :upeyes:

Get a life. If they aren't messing with you or bothering you mind your own darn business.

These sort of busybody BS deals are asinine.

Reminds me of the one busybody neighbor on my street always coming over and talking $hi+. "This is that or that is this. Most recently he was explaining to me how I was going to get in "so much trouble" over my window tint on the cars.

Pathetic.

AFA1CY
04-11-2008, 04:56
Prometheus77 (http://glocktalk.com/forums/member.php?u=47429)

Glad you think that way and thanks for paying my share of the tax so I can cheat and not pay it.

grislyAdam
04-12-2008, 08:21
Nice to see the nosey neighbors club is in full swing... quick call homeland security, you might score a c-note off this thing!

Get a life. If they aren't messing with you or bothering you mind your own darn business.

BS. I'm all for blowing the whistle on these people. Maybe some other things will be discovered, as well.
I've had neighbors in my past who seemed to be able to drive with out of state plates into perpetuity. This was very irritating to me. Why should I have to pay for renewal every year when they didn't?

SHINGLE MONKEY
04-12-2008, 13:52
FT doesnt know where the person works but "knows" hes not a car dealer:rofl:


Come on, this guy may have the cash to bankroll a dealership, or atleast enough to be part owner.

internet comandos:tongueout:

FThorn
04-12-2008, 21:03
FT doesnt know where the person works but "knows" hes not a car dealer:rofl:


Come on, this guy may have the cash to bankroll a dealership, or atleast enough to be part owner.

internet comandos:tongueout:

I know precisely he works. And from his own mouth, what he does. Neither of which is or remotely related to, auto sales, licensing, renting, leasing, brokering, auctioning, repairing, servicing, hauling, etc.

SHINGLE MONKEY
04-13-2008, 08:33
then put on your big boy pants and ask him about the tags...its obvious that you are losing sleep over it:upeyes:

Prometheus77
04-13-2008, 12:34
BS. I'm all for blowing the whistle on these people. Maybe some other things will be discovered, as well.
I've had neighbors in my past who seemed to be able to drive with out of state plates into perpetuity. This was very irritating to me. Why should I have to pay for renewal every year when they didn't?

Ah yes, they might have repaired their roof without getting a permit! Quick! Look over there!

The neighbor on bewitched was someone to laugh at, not to emulate people!
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boilergonzo
04-14-2008, 10:19
If there is blatant illegal activity (smell of meth cooking, dealing drugs, peddling stolen cars, etc.) I disagree, and feel concerned citizens should be vigilant. If you do nothing, the neighborhood fails.

However, I will offer a possible legal reason for the plates. I know someone who is a part of a financial business that offers corporate leasing as a subset of its portfolio. His unit does underwrite car leases, and as cars come back, he drives them (as a corporate car) as they go to/from auctions/dealers/resale at the lease end. The guy routinely chooses the nicer cars until they sell. For example, if he is driving a Lexus and it sells (auction, etc.), he might then choose the next best available car and drive the Ford Focus for a bit. If a nice Honda Accord comes in, he might choose to drive that (until it moves off the books or a nicer car comes in). This is unlike GM, Ford, etc., which have their own financing arms and dealership network.

As long as he reports his mileage to the IRS and his corporation is following good accounting practices it would seem he would be able to drive assets owned by the company.

pupcuss27
04-15-2008, 10:51
If there is blatant illegal activity (smell of meth cooking, dealing drugs, peddling stolen cars, etc.) I disagree, and feel concerned citizens should be vigilant. If you do nothing, the neighborhood fails.

The above is a pretty good response.

IMHO, just asks the neighbor - What's up with your temp plates, ask him if can get you a deal on them because you are considering buying another car. Just be inquisitive and ask how to go about getting a temp plate.

Ask and thou shalt recieve...:wavey:

grislyAdam
04-16-2008, 16:00
Ah yes, they might have repaired their roof without getting a permit! Quick! Look over there!

The neighbor on bewitched was someone to laugh at, not to emulate people!


Don't even bother, dude.:upeyes:

foob
04-29-2008, 18:00
They have taken to parking by backing-in to the drive, too. Reminds me of the Nation of Islam members that do not display their plates to 38th street.

Dude people park backwards all the time. Especially in other countries, where the parking spaces are much smaller and tighter.

As others have said, since you actually talked to him and know where he works, asking him about his dealer plates is not a big deal. The answer he gives is going to be an anti-climax. He ain't a terrorist.

Maybe he knows some loophole and can introduce you to saving some money legally too.